When is someone going to investigate Johnny Sutton?

As a citizen does this make you feel safer? That is really all there is to it what is the point of making this so complicated? Who really cares what the burecratic procedures of ICE are or if they were followed.

I’m not on Patrick’s side on this one, I believe that Ramos and Compean got jobbed bigtime. But I also believe that they exercised terrible judgement which allowed them to be set up for this railroading, and that’s too bad. They were prosecuted under a law that their actions did NOT violate (except in a very perverse through-the-looking-glass distortion of reality), and the laws which DIRECTLY and EXACTLY cover any misbehavior on their parts would never have called for a federal criminal prosecution of this magnitude. Bottom line, they were hung out to dry by a system feeling the PC pressure to prove that it wouldn’t hold “The Blue Line”.

Very Libbyesque, when all is said and done. They won’t get commuted by President Bush, however, because illegal immigration is something the president seems to think is ok, and pardoning these two agents would send a wrong signal to our “friends to the South”. Now that is a shame.

Johnny-boy felt that he couldn’t get an easy conviction against the felonius narco-invader but he knew he could get one against these two patriots. Laws need to be reviewed to evaluate whether they allow prosecutors to seek easy convictions against easy targets, rather than against the real threats to the well-being of society.

Damn you, Bush. Pardon these guys.

*Dubya mosies into the jail with his pistolas. “Free my men, Ramos and Compean. And if you got a problem with that, I’ll be at my ranch in Tejas.”*

Let’s see if we can’t derail an awful thread before it gets rolling. Ground rules: If you wish to challenge Patterico’s facts, please do so. If you wish to scream “FREE RAMOS AND COMPEAN! OPEN SEASON ON ILLEGALS!”, please do it somewhere else.

Just the facts, ma’ams. And sirs.

Allahpundit on July 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

You seem kind of touchy on this. Do you think these two guys got what they disserved?

saiga on July 17, 2007 at 12:10 PM

Let’s stick to the facts. Is this thread really awful? Give me proof.

From what I can see,

1. agent shoots at fleeing perp. As in many police encounters, agent says he thought he saw a gun. As in most such cases the truth of this can never be determined.

2. Agent, possibly understanding the President of the United States doesn’t want anyone stopped at the border (see J. McCain, Spectre et al), possibly knowing that others who returned fire in self defense were hung up to dry by press and politicos, possibly for such reasons decides not to report, since perp appears not to be shot – reasoning will remain unknown

3. Phone calls to Mexico, perp is massaged by politicos like lap dancer in Las Crosse rape case. Another unprovable, although sending a fishing expedition to find a victim is somewhat provable and fishy smelling too

He said-He said testimony from the scene is like any other police case, I side with the agent under innocent until proven guilty

Not reporting incident – should be handled according to department tules.

Tar and feathering the agent and kissing up to the drug smuggler – disgusting. Everyone should puke in unison at this PC attack except we are all puked out from the stealth amnesty PC attack on the entire nation Memorial Day week, which was followed by a one-two punch to the gut when the President tried to force the nation to eat amnesty.

It may be an awful thread but not indigestible

I called up Senator Arlen Spectre’s office and asked that he do what he could do to help these guys. (Spectre is on the Judiciary Committee which is looking at this case.)

The woman who answered the phone had a strong Hispanic accent. My first thought was is Spectre hiring illegals to man his office, but it’s clearly “not proven.”

thuja on July 17, 2007

My second thought: perhaps Spectre really is a puppet who looks like a Senator and you were talking to a string puller

In the last ten years how many smugglers with even 100 pounds of weed have been found to be unarmed?

The “facts” don’t pass the smell test.

TunaTalon on July 17, 2007 at 10:08 AM

I grew up in the same neighorhood (including next door neighbors) and I don’t know of any that are unarmed, even with carrying only a pound.

Government’s evidence showed that they were not made aware that there had been a shooting. They learned about the shooting weeks or months after the fact.

Why does this all smell so much like Haditha to me?

I think every sensible person believes that our country’s guardians deserve the benefit of every doubt. Disagree all you want about the details, but any idiot can see this case obviously isn’t a slam dunk. Ergo, it should never have been brought.

Frankly, guilt or innocence doesn’t mean squat when national security is at stake. We need to focus on what’s important, and there is only ONE factor here that could adversely affect our national interest: We need accurate reporting from our agents.

But who is really causing America to be screwed over here?

What goes on at the border is a LOT different from handing out parking tickets. That’s literally “no man’s land.” Ask yourself this: Will watching this witch hunt of a trial make the average border guard MORE or LESS likely to spill his guts about every encounter?

I know for a fact what the answer was for US servicemen after Haditha. And like I said, I smell the same the same odor here.

Johnny Sutton all class…

C’mon down to S. Cal and stay a while AP, you might be able to see the truth, clearly, from the front line of the border war.

Heh heh, you do know that he would have to break out of the basement that Michelle has locked him in first right?

doriangrey on July 17, 2007 at 12:10 PM

No problem. All AP has to do is use his iPhone to call for…

Oh, wait…

Just the facts, ma’ams. And sirs.

Allahpundit on July 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

You seem kind of touchy on this. Do you think these two guys got what they disserved?

C’mon down to S. Cal and stay a while AP, you might be able to see the truth, clearly, from the front line of the border war.

Heh heh, you do know that he would have to break out of the basement that Michelle has locked him in first right?

C’mon down to S. Cal and stay a while AP, you might be able to see the truth, clearly, from the front line of the border war.

If not, at least you can catch some rays. lol! Venga aquí!

You can find it, (the nefarious motives) hiding in the verbosity of spp.gov. The big boys want the North American Union and Dubya is their ‘step and fetch it boy. It boils down to filthy lucre and political clout. The worst part is that it sets up Hilly’s Brave new World for her, before she conducts her coup.

Heh heh if Johnny Sutton is the great wooden horse, then you can be sure that Laura Ingraham has her kerosene torch ready, and to quote Jack Nicholson as the Joker from the 1989 movie Batman

“It’s going to be a hot time in the cold town tonight.”

Ahhhh defining moment!!!!! Laura will rip him a new orifice and do it in a professional fashion and with a legal mind!
Ingraham/ Malkin for POTUS/VPOTUS?

Duncan Hunter will testify at today’s hearing – 10AM EST
I will miss it, I hope that dear Patterico, or Bryan gets some clips; I want to see Sutton squirm like the bottom feeder that he is.

Let me get this straight, does AP want to censor our passionate cries for justice? I think we know the facts well enough to know that this was and continues to be a travesty.

C’mon down to S. Cal and stay a while AP, you might be able to see the truth, clearly, from the front line of the border war.

Let’s see if we can’t derail an awful thread before it gets rolling. Ground rules: If you wish to challenge Patterico’s facts, please do so. If you wish to scream “FREE RAMOS AND COMPEAN! OPEN SEASON ON ILLEGALS!”, please do it somewhere else.

Just the facts, ma’ams. And sirs.

Allahpundit on July 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

Fine. I seem to remember you blasting us as a bunch of conspiracy theorists in February for saying Ramos and Compean were innocent. Has your opinion changed?

Johnny Sutton is testifying before Congress today on why he decided to send two border patrol agents to federal prison for ten years for shooting a drug smuggler in the butt. In advance of the testimony, Patterico forwards some talking……