Video: When jerks collide — Webb clashes with Grahamnesty over Iraq
posted at 6:38 pm on July 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Via mighty wingman. Enjoyably contentious and worse than useless, as most debates about Iraq are. As usual, where Lindsey goes, so goes the base — in the opposite direction. How did we end up with him and McCain as our champions here?
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I have seen the face of the enemy and I agree they must be killed. I just don’t think Iraq is the place to do it. I think we can win in Iraq, BUT… at what cost? Will the assholes like Web ever let us actually fight? No… so lets just get out and let all the Jihadis go to Afghansitan so the Dem have somewhere to surrender after ‘08.
Web… you don’t speak for me either!
BadBrad on July 15, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Here’s a diplomatic solution for Webb:
Iran can diplomatically stop backing terrorist groups and Al-Queda can go back home and never bother Iraqis again, or we’ll surround them with black helicopters and B-52 bombers, send in an overwhelming ground force, and nuetralize them the old fashioned way.
BKennedy on July 15, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Webb is an idiot, attack attack Lindsay. Loser!
Wade on July 15, 2007 at 6:50 PM
I watched the whole segment over at the MTP web site, and I have to hand it to Sen. Graham. Except for the last minute when Webb got all aggressive, Graham totally dominated Webb. At some points, Webb was speechless. True, Graham did not attack back at the end, but he still “won” the segment easily.
DPierre on July 15, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Webb looked like he was so flustered that he was about to turn Gramnesty upside down and……
Janos Hunyadi on July 15, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Janos Hunyadi on July 15, 2007 at 7:07 PM
Maybe it would shut him up for a few minutes.
Big S on July 15, 2007 at 7:10 PM
Webb, that is.
Big S on July 15, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Wow, Webb is a pompous a$$…He actually has the nerve to say “excuse me?” when being interrupted by Graham, after he did it the entire time Graham was talking…Furthermore, to say Grahahm had a “hard month” was a totally toolish thing to say…I always thought Webb got a raw deal with the whole book excerpts thing, but I certainly don’t have any respect for him after that interview.
WillBarrett on July 15, 2007 at 7:13 PM
I am not a fan of either Virginia senator… sigh.
krabbas on July 15, 2007 at 7:15 PM
Ooooo! now all-a-sudden Grahams’ a Republican?
spike on July 15, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Can you see where we are headed? 2008. Wheat vs. Chaff
spike on July 15, 2007 at 7:26 PM
Graham did the right thing by not attacking back as it really highlighted the aggressive nasty Webb.
Wade on July 15, 2007 at 7:27 PM
Webb lost my respect when he was campaigning and used his son’s service as a tool( holding his son’s boots in the air) and no, his son wasn’t killed. I swear between Webb and Murtha are there any former service men with any honor in Congress? Rhetorical question of course.
MNDavenotPC on July 15, 2007 at 7:29 PM
How about Kerry?
Wade on July 15, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Wade on July 15, 2007 at 7:30 PM
John or Bob?……… certainly not John I mean Mr Therese Heinz Kerry
and yes I supported the Swift Boat Attack Machine
MNDavenotPC on July 15, 2007 at 7:34 PM
Kerry?
crickets……more crickets………..PLEASE! MAKE THEM STOP!
spike on July 15, 2007 at 7:35 PM
John. Bob is no longer in Congress.
Wade on July 15, 2007 at 7:39 PM
He make a very good point. (In a nutshell out of context)
“I believe history will not remember us for when we left Iraq, but for how Iraq was left.”
KCtheKat on July 15, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Niether looked dignified or statesmanlike, and it was talking points from both of them. They were seated far too close to each other, no idea why the segment’s producers would do that, but they were probably up to no good.
I have to hand it to Senator Graham. He has mastered a technique you really need in this format: continuing to speak loudly and lucidly when his opponent is braying right in his ear.
Graham: 1.
Webb: 0
RushBaby on July 15, 2007 at 7:43 PM
Well that sucked the life right out of what I was going to say . . . oh, wait.
- The Cat
MirCat on July 15, 2007 at 7:44 PM
It would be interesting to hear the son’s opinion on Iraq.
Pablo on July 15, 2007 at 7:48 PM
I’m sorry, He=Senator Lindsay Graham
KCtheKat on July 15, 2007 at 7:50 PM
I hope we can drop the “Gramnesty” thing soon.
We won, why don’t we try and show ‘em how the grown-ups behave. Like him or not, he’s on our side on this one and being petty only hurts our cause. Of course I’m assuming that those posting are not in the “surrender now” camp.
TBinSTL on July 15, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Gotta hand it to Graham…
Zach on July 15, 2007 at 7:53 PM
I watched this this morning.
First, I have to say that I am no fan of either Senator. Grahamnesty screwed us with his ridiculous push for amnesty. Webb is a pervert and a disgusting chauvinist who only voted no on the second cloture vote after voting yes on the first to save his own butt b/c he knew where the vote was probably headed.
However, Grahamnesty did have good points and made them clear by remaining level-headed. Had Webb consistently interrupted me during my time and then given me the “can I speak, friend” while touching my shoulder when I got even less disruptive during his speaking time, I may’ve decked him.
hollygolightly on July 15, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Who cares who won or lost a pointless debate..We already know that Lindsey Shamnesty Grahamcracker is ONE of the Kennedy’s favorites. Enough said, so that makes him the big LOSER no matter what he ever speaks about again he will always be a LOSER. At least Webb voted against the shamnesty bill in the end, which at least makes him a PATRIOT..Which makes him the WINNER. The other shamnesty nutcase John the McInsane was not invited, too bad, maybe next week..
Legions on July 15, 2007 at 8:00 PM
I’m sorry, but Graham is the better man. He did not lose his composure and Webb did.
Graham made Webb look like a jackass. I bet that’s the last time we see Graham on that particular show…
unamused on July 15, 2007 at 8:13 PM
“Let ‘em in Lindsay” should have suggested a Guest-worker program for Iraq as a way to secure their borders! These two (2) are a joke! Roger Mahony could have been more apologetic.
DfDeportation on July 15, 2007 at 8:18 PM
Webb asked the bigot, “Can I Speak”? I think “Let ‘em in Lindsay is feeling the heat at home. I think Webb can kick his ass!
DfDeportation on July 15, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Webb seems to have anger management issues.
Grahamnesty is right, but no one is listening to him re: Open borders advocate.
SouthernGent on July 15, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Webb is an ass. In this case Graham is right, the surge is working and Webb knows it. His “my family has been doing it since the revolution” is BS.
roux on July 15, 2007 at 8:29 PM
Allahpundit – “How did we end up with him and McCain as our champions here?”
We must all have done some VERY bad things in a previous life.
VERY BAD.
MB4 on July 15, 2007 at 8:32 PM
roux – “the surge is working and Webb knows it.”
It all depends on what the definition of is, is, and what the definition or working is, and what the definition of knows is.
MB4 on July 15, 2007 at 8:36 PM
I’ve been to Afghanistan! So hah!
What an idiot.
Seixon on July 15, 2007 at 8:42 PM
I tend to like Lindsey Graham; I liked him for his role
in the Impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. I strongly
disagree with some of the sidings and political decisions
he has made as a Senator. Amnesty was and is almost
unforgivable to me…but on the topic of Iraq, he has
remained steadfast in his support of the troops, the efforts,
and the consequences of a pullout. I remember the consequences
as a result of ” Peace With Honor ” with regard to Vietnam.
Webb is a seemingly bullyish thug in manner and I have little
regard for his views on the Military. He reflects poorly
with regard to his Service IMHO.
izzatso on July 15, 2007 at 8:47 PM
As far as I’m concerned, a pox on both of them. Hopefully, the electorate will replace them at the earliest opportunity.
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GT on July 15, 2007 at 8:49 PM
Webb’s a dick.
Griz on July 15, 2007 at 8:54 PM
Gotta love Webb bringing up “my family has been doing this since the Revolutionary War” as if his family heritage has some bearing on whether or not he is a jacka$$. Wonder if he is aware that historical records indicate that there was not a majority of Americans in favor of the Revolutionary War until after victory had been achieved.
I guess by his logic, the fact that when my great (several times) grandfather fought in the Revolutionary he was 7th generation American and that before the Revolutionary War my ancestors fought in the Indian wars, that makes me more of an expert than he is although I don’t know that even in my cocky youth that I could have mustered up as much chutzpah and arrogance and Mr. Webb did in that brief exchange.
Well, using my newly realized expertise and authority he bestowed upon me based on ancestoral longevity, I declare that Sen Webb is a jacka$$ and is a significant part of the reason that we have not already won a clear victory in Iraq with troops already coming home following a complete and overwhelming victory.
deepdiver on July 15, 2007 at 8:55 PM
Webb blubbered all through Graham’s portion, then got indignant and borderline violent when the favor was returned. ‘Have you been to Iraq?’ ‘Seven times.’ Regardless of what Graham had said, Webb appeared to marginalize it. Clearly an arrogant ass of a bully in action.
TinMan13 on July 15, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Webb’s performance was insanely amateurish. It makes absolutely no sense for the person with the popular opinion behind him–as Webb pointed about 63 times–to be impugning the motives of the guy that doesn’t by saying he’s getting worked up because “it’s been a hard month for Lindsey.” I’m pretty sure Graham’s not taking this position because he thinks he’s somehow going to gain more popular support even among his base.
And I guess it’s only the Republicans that go to Iraq that get the “dog and pony show” as he put it? Then why should any politicians even bother ever going to Iraq if they all they ever get is Kabuki?
Greg Tinti on July 15, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Did I mention that Sen Webb is an asshole?
… HA! That is funny schmuck! I’d love to know how many of those soldiers who say they disagree with Bush’s policy (you know that percentage that Webb so loudly hails) actually disagree because we are trying too hard to look good to the world and not hard enough to find the enemy and kill them.
When I leave the wire in Iraq and am told I can’t load my weapon… I start thinking “Houston, we have a problem!”
BadBrad on July 15, 2007 at 9:05 PM
No, they’ll start to come to the US….
Tim Burton on July 15, 2007 at 9:06 PM
Webb seems to like to itimidate people…that trick only goes so far in a debate that millions will see. If it doesn’t work…you lose.
tomas on July 15, 2007 at 9:12 PM
Didn’t Webb write a pornagraghic novel?
The guy is an idiot period.
canopfor on July 15, 2007 at 9:28 PM
Graham gets one right.
But the rules of engagement still suck.
And the IED menace is still unaddressed.
Can they tie a jihadi to the bumper of every vehicle on patrol -with a bag of blood around his neck of the porcine variety- as some kind of insurance that, if his collleagues in madness set off a bomb, one of their bodies is not going to paradise.
While all of our guys are.
Use their superstitions against them to protect our soldiers and Marines.
But, since this would violate some “war code”, can’t they just spread the rumor that every vehicle has a jihadi inside, with said bag of pig’s serum around his neck, and tha any IED’s will condemn their brother to hell?
Riding around waiting to be blown up in Humvees and (even well-)Armored Personnel Carriers, with no adequate response (even a minor psyops mindfork like this) shows the lack of seriousness and imagination of our leadership.
Are we trying to defeat these cruel and lawless lunatics, or placate them?
Webb is obviously a bad poker bluffer.
profitsbeard on July 15, 2007 at 10:18 PM
Ahhh ! ! Abbot and Costello
Texyank on July 15, 2007 at 10:18 PM
This is a guy who let his aide take the fall because Webb couldn’t secure his firearm.
Webb is a first class moron.
Lindsey is standing firm in support of the troops, so I respect the hell out of him for it.
The amnesty crap should be put behind us now.
Time to destroy hacks like Webb, who want America to lose.
Stormy70 on July 15, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Is my understanding of your comment correct being that is something you actually experienced while serving this nation in Iraq?
I’m not challenging your statement, just seeking clarification as to whether that is an actual personal experience because I’m fixin’ to be really outraged at our gov’t and just want to be sure I understand correctly.
deepdiver on July 15, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Why do the politicians obsessed with “withdrawal from Iraq” always get away with the “how long are we going to be there, 5, 10 yrs?” BS? And everyone talking about “winning/losing” the “war”? Like Iraq is some isolated event.
Why don’t someone stand up and tell it like it is and not back off? Tell them that it is not a short-term win/lose scenario in one place (Iraq) and they might as well stop talking about time limits.
The point of all of this is to pummel Al-Qaeda and it’s infrastructure, and keep psycho’s from getting nuclear capability, the best we can, even if it is just buying us more time. This is not goint to end anytime soon, and we’ll keep the pressure on for as long as it takes. We have to! What else can we do? Pretend there is no threat?
Of course it is a lie that anyone thinks that we are really going to set up a democracy (or anything resembling one) in Iraq or anywhere else in the vacinity (unless we are prepared for a balls-out, civilization crushing war.) Anyone talking “democracy” has no credibility. The best we can hope for in the short-term is a manageable dictator that hopefully we can contain.
nottakingsides on July 15, 2007 at 10:22 PM
God I wanted Graham to just haul off and clobber Webb.
Fortunately, he did. Verbally.
Christoph on July 15, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Webb pulled the classic interrupt and shake papers. Isn’t he supposed to be kind of a blue dog? Oh and whatever happened with his gun being in the house? Graham and McCain are looking good on this. Maybe a makeup for Shamnesty is how they ended up as frontmen for this.
PowWow on July 15, 2007 at 10:32 PM
Ahhh, the metalic sounds of two Tools clanging together. Sounds like…stupidity.
Mack08 on July 15, 2007 at 10:47 PM
How do you put the “amnesty crap” behind you? You realize what that would have done to the country…what short memories we have…sad
oldernslower on July 15, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Graham had better be careful what he says to Webb. You never know when the latter is packin’ heat.
soundingboard on July 16, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Precisely. Let’s keep the promises we made when we closed down their phone lines during shamnesty and remember, shall we?
hollygolightly on July 16, 2007 at 12:08 AM
How did we end up with a Senate full of pricks like these? Oh yea…we elected them…sigh! It’s time to take back the Senate and elect some people that we can be proud of that will represent and lead us…NOT THIS!
sabbott on July 16, 2007 at 3:30 AM
Almost makes me long for the days when Senators were appointed by respective state Governors. But I live in Louisiana, and our long history of colorful Governors makes that possibility problematic.
soundingboard on July 16, 2007 at 3:49 AM
Who are these two boobs trying to kid ? They ARE the ‘dog and pony show’ !
DoctorDentons on July 16, 2007 at 7:22 AM
Webb is nothing but a creepy little sleaze….which is why he bacame a member of the Democrat Party. As for Graham…I’m am quite positive that the good conservatives in SC will primary his little ol butt out the door.
lynnv on July 16, 2007 at 8:25 AM
Ever wonder why nothing gets done in Congress these days?
After watching this, wonder no more.
pilamaye on July 16, 2007 at 8:28 AM
In a debate on the feelings of the troops in Iraq and why they are re-enlisting at record rates during a war.
Graham = been to Iraq 7 times
Webb = visited northern Afghanistan 1 time
Result……
Graham = Absolute moral authority
Webb = democrat tool
csdeven on July 16, 2007 at 8:55 AM
Goober Lindsey Graham v. Melon Head Webb. A battle of wits between unarmed opponents.
Frank Nitti on July 16, 2007 at 9:48 AM
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