Ya well I wonder if they shut it down for other reasons. I heard they had enough material now to produce 12 bombs.

Granted, this is only the first step, albeit a huge one. The key was getting N. Korea to agree to the 6 party talks which Bush insisted on and all the donkeys and some Republicans said would never work.

In order to get more aid more open trade, which N. Korea desperately needs thanks to sanctions and the lose of China and Russia as sponsors, N. Korea has to turn over all nuclear material not just shut down the reactors.

The six-party talks are due to resume on Wednesday. The five parties have promised North Korea economic aid and better diplomatic ties for scrapping its nuclear-arms program.

Hadley said talks would turn to fully dismantling the plutonium program, getting “a full accounting” of any covert enrichment program, and getting North Korea to turn over any nuclear-weapons materials.

anybody heard what happened in North Korea over the weekend?
JackStraw on July 15, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Ya well I wonder if they shut it down for other reasons. I heard they had enough material now to produce 12 bombs. Maybe they have finally made enough to satisfy a customer and shutting it down is not the result of political pressure.

This guy in the Converse – wtf? I was almost expecting to see this guy while watching the video.

The problem with the “war on terror” nomenclature is that terrorism may well increase when the enemy is losing. This allows defeatists to declare battles lost with every increase in violence.

Big S on July 15, 2007 at 12:41 PM

That is a profound realization. I think we should all pause a moment and ponder it.

I did.

What I can’t understand is why give up their safe haven in the mountains, by dissolving the peace agreement.

The jidahis have been violating the terms of their treaty since the day it was signed. Under the terms of their bizzare belief system, they were obliged to violate the treaty. Yep, obliged.

The more interesting question is what made Musharraf start to fight back. I think the answer lies here.

I know its not popular to state that the Bush administration isn’t completely out of touch, but they aren’t. Speaking of which, anybody heard what happened in North Korea over the weekend? Paging John Bolton.

This old fella is not the one our guys would meet on the field. He’s prolly the tribal leader or some such so he got the honored position of the lead role in the film. Like how he’s carefully tucking the empty mag in his vest? What’s with the full 360 firing right, left, then back right again? And I’m betting the mincing steps have more to do with his age, footwear, running in a skirt and trying not to trip on his pajama trousers than they do with rocky terrain.

I believe history will not remember us for when we left Iraq, but for how Iraq was left.

KCtheKat on July 15, 2007 at 7:20 PM

Agreed, we need to leave Iraq stable and not allow it to become a terrorist haven. I was merely speaking of the overall GWOT and how the left-tards are placing their own agendas and selfish needs above protecting America and defeating our enemy by their consistently undermining our efforts (thus assisting our enemy) and my hope that the lefts actions during this war will one day be judged harshly by history and their leftist ways will be abandoned and ridiculed forever!

I don’t care if he is dangerous, I just want him dead….D…E…A…D…

Tim Burton on July 15, 2007 at 3:33 PM

IMHO it doesn’t matter if this jihadist and others like him are light in the loafers or have no real combat skills at all, anyone with a radical religious fascist ideology that believes in martyrdom and has a weapon is dangerous and should be as Tim Burton said, “I just want him dead…D-E-A-D!!!”

Yep, the left-tards make me sick! When this is all over and we are victorious (and we will be) I hope history will show them for what they are, traitorous America haters and perhaps their leftist ways will be abandoned and ridiculed forever!

Liberty or Death on July 15, 2007 at 7:09 PM

I believe history will not remember us for when we left Iraq, but for how Iraq was left.

With the leftists gleefully assisting the terrorists propaganda war, yeah they are a dangerous and encouraged enemy.

christophercube on July 15, 2007 at 5:24 PM

Yep, the left-tards make me sick! When this is all over and we are victorious (and we will be) I hope history will show them for what they are, traitorous America haters and perhaps their leftist ways will be abandoned and ridiculed forever!

Also, we need to throw PC in the trash if we are going to get serious about winning. We can start by beginning our own propaganda war! We need to start putting out public service announcements on TV, film clips before movies start (like they did during WWII) and in all forms of media openly ridiculing Islamic fascism without holding back or pulling any punches! This includes more cartoons depicting Allah and the jihadists for the sick, warped, and murdering scum they are!

The reason they are holding us off is because some idiot politicians are not letting us go in there and fight like a war should be fought.

And I like President Bush! Except for the immigration thing, he has done some good things.

“Hey, if this doofus can do it, I sure as hell can.”

I must be the worst writer in the world..I am very concerned about this..I agreed with you.. the fact that they want to tear Pakistan apart is no surpise to me or you. What I can’t understand is why give up their safe haven in the mountains, by dissolving the peace agreement. They could have committed acts of terror all day-year long inside Pakistan and no one would have touched them..Unless they are ready to totally destroy the country, in which case a peace treaty would not protect them anyway…

I can

woops should read “it can”

That dude is very light in his sneakers. I’m not saying he’s gay or anything, because if he were gay, they would have killed him ages ago. He should come to America–he’d be the darling of Code Pink.

He’s cannon fodder.

Oh they are cannon fodder alright, because our guys really are the baddest mother fu$kers in the valley of the shadow of death*.

*(One of my old friends who was in the Marine Corp’s used to tell me their version of Psalm 23, “Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil because I am th baddest mother fu$kers in the valley of the shadow of death.”)

I always got a kick out of that one…So yea they are cannon fodder, but then again anyone who tangles with the US Military is in for a serious world of hurt.

They are fierce and determined warriors, they may be out classed by our military and they are fighting for a sick and corrupt ideology, but to fail to recognize that they are good at what they do would be a fatal mistake, one which I, even though not in our military, refuse to do. doriangrey on July 15, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Agreed. The flipside, however, is that we must ridicule our enemies in order to win. Speaking as a former infantry soldier, neither this guy nor his trainers have a clue. He’s cannon fodder.

The taliban says that stupid “peace treay” is over … that’s GOOD news! Now it’s time for the Paki Army to go in and kick some jihadi ass, with our guys waiting on the boarder for anyone trying to escape. Go get ‘em boys!

Tony737 on July 15, 2007 at 12:41 PM

Yeah, some “peace treaty” deal, when are the powers that be going to learn you cannot negotiate with these murderers! They only negotiate when they are getting their A$$ES handed to them to take the heat off, re-group, re-arm, and plan a new strategy! They never live up to their end of any agreements because they never intend to, it’s always a ploy to buy time, so stop plauing into their game and just keep hammering them!

Now it’s time for the Paki Army to go in and kick some jihadi ass, with our guys waiting on the boarder for anyone trying to escape. Go get ‘em boys!

Tony737 on July 15, 2007 at 12:41 PM

As for the above statement from Tony737, here’s a post I placed on the thread about the messages coming from Zawahiri that fit into this thread as well:

All the recent flurry of messages would indicate signaling an attack or as another poster mentioned it could be to see how we are responding.

Another (and probably much too hopeful) theory would be that with Mush cracking down on militants in Pakistan and the obvious breakdown of the “peace deal” he made with the tribal regions last year Mush is finally taking the gloves off and is preparing to go into the tribal regions full force. Thus pushing OBL (if he’s still alive) and his butt buddy Zawahiri into the waiting gun sights of US troops on the Afghan side of the border.

A squeeze play perhaps, and all these messages they are sending is their final push to stir up the militants before they die as they know the end game is near, a sort of final curtain call?

A guy can dream, right?
Liberty or Death on July 14, 2007 at 6:09 PM

While it may be wishful thinking that the above will come to fruition, I really hope it will come to be, we need some more victories!