If we wait until the next president gets elected takes over and gets situated it will be to late. Once Iran goes nuclear its game over NO OPTION but APPEASEMENT see N KOREA but worse a rogue that has no master we can buy off with self destructive trade policy.

A War with Iran will not be 03′ Iraq part two it will look more like 91′ Iraq war. We are good at breaking stuff especially that infrastructure and conventional weapons. For awhile it will be real ugly with Iran pulling their terrorist card across the world but it wont stop or even slow our operations, actually on the PR front help them. Such a air campain could be done in some months with no fly zones and a UN inspection arrangement with undirect revolution support or maybe end with devestate their infastructure and direct revolution support. Either way a major ground invasion occupation would not be required.

Benefits would be immediate across the board as Iranian gov would have to redirect that money currently flowing to their proxies from Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraq, Afghanistan, ect….to rebuilding that infrastructure or quelling that rebellion/chaos. Our enemies resources are limited as well and considering we are fighting a war that is using .05% of the gen pop, around 4.5% GNP compared to the 80’s peacetime of 6%, and did I mention still a all voluntary Military.

Bottom line if we don’t do Iran all our efforts up to this point will be null and void the day Iran goes nuclear. Any war after that point that I can guarantee will come whether we like it or not will dwarf even the worst worst case senerio of doing what must be done.

I don’t think Iran would use WMD or even give such to a terrorist org (unless of course the Mullahs power is under threat) that would ensure their annihilation. The threat from Iran is that they will use that nuclear umbrella as cover to give conventional support to terrorist everywhere putting US into a impossible defensible position. Radicals believe the west to weak to do nuclear war over terrorism attacks, however I believe it just a matter of how much blood before our hand is forced and nuclear war is the result.

C-Low on July 15, 2007 at 11:12 PM

TheBigOldDog

I base that belief about the Mullahs not playing the WMD card very simply on why would they have to? It would be a fact that if they go nuclear they are guaranteed nuclear retaliation/annihilation end of the Mullahs and possibly all Muslims even being allowed to exist anywhere. If Iran has just one Nuclear bomb any attack would have to start with a guaranteed successful strike on that one nuke aka MAD days of target list requiring tens-hundreds of nuclear strikes to ensure 100% kill ratio so knowing this. Say 5yrs from now we have a 9-11 event again tracking back to X Radical who is “suspected” of being inside Iran and who’s suicide bombers families received checks from Iran for their blessed works. Does anyone here really think ANY US president would attack Iran in retaliation, authorizing the required Nuclear First Strike?

The Mullahs know this full well with just one nuke they will be able to openly support terrorist actions with money and conventional weapons impervious to any retaliation unless they really overstep with say a WMD type attack that would justify a nuclear retaliation/attack from US. Israel for over a decade suffered near daily suicide bombings across Israel proper and never went genocide on the Paleo’s. You think a US bueracrat would be different? We could have a 9-11 every month for years and thier is no US president that would have the ball sack to make the massive nuclear first strike required to fight a nuclear armed Iran. Imagine something as simple as rockets for terrorist to allow daily barrages of Israeli Cities/Towns, Israel cannot physically occupy all of the ME and the more they expand simply the longer range rocket/missiles Iran provides. Same thing for our bases in the region and then N Africa, Spain, Balkans, ect…

They know this. Once Iran goes nuclear they will sit back and via attrition slowly just as the Paleo’s have done/are doing to Israel just demand appeasment after appeasement after appeasemnt until they walk the West right into oblivian.

Our ONLY options are very simply war today with survivable sacrifices or war tomorrow with sacrifices that are like nothing seen since at least the Roman times.

These guys think longterm slow and that is our weakness. My dad often used to tell me about something his grandfather used to say “A Americans will let you pull all his hair out one hair at a time BUT try to pull a handful at once and he will crush you”.

C-Low on July 16, 2007 at 12:00 AM

Lancer
I don’t think a air strike will be limited to the WMD think 91′ Gulf War. The WMD and Iranian conventional forces will be targeted but you can bet that will be followed by destruction of the Iranian infrastructure & govern control asperatus. Iran is only around 40% Persian the rest is suppressed minority groups many who many already have active insurgencies. When we hammer the Iranian conventional forces, infrastructure, and government control aperatus the Iranians will be stretched thin to just keep control of their territory more less try a major move into Iraq. Not to mention I imagine any conventional military convoy attempting to run the border would have JSTARS/B-1 tag team action see Medina division in the recent war (and that was in a freekin sand storm to boot and on the fly).

I don’t know if a revolution would succeed in Iran or even if so that revolution would favor US. Either way worst case Mullahs survive and we buy ourselves a decade or so while Iran regains control and rebuilds its infrastructure, best case that revolution pops and our guys take over.

C-Low on July 16, 2007 at 1:08 AM