Poll: Catholics markedly less devout than most Americans
posted at 11:24 am on July 13, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Well, the good news is, they’re fully assimilated. And then some. Wow:
All five of the faith-related attitudes tested showed a gap between Catholics and other Americans. Among the elements tested were people’s highest priority in life (Catholics were only half as likely as others to mention their faith, and a majority identified family as their priority) and their commitment to the Christian faith (44% of Catholics claimed to be “absolutely committed” compared to 54% of the entire adult population)…
Of the dozen faith-oriented behaviors tested, Catholics strayed from the norm in relation to eight of the 12 items. Specifically, the typical Catholic person donated about 17% less money to churches; was 38% less likely than the average American to read the Bible; 67% less likely to attend a Sunday school class; 20% less likely to share their faith in Christ with someone who had different beliefs; 24% less likely to say their religious faith has greatly transformed their life; and were 36% less likely to have an “active faith,” which Barna defined as reading the Bible, praying and attending a church service during the prior week. However, Catholics were 16% more likely than the norm to attend a church service and 8% more likely to have prayed to God during the prior week.
The spiritual beliefs of Catholics are also substantially different from the typical views of Americans. Catholics differed from most people on seven of the 11 belief-focused questions raised. For instance, Catholics were significantly less likely to believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches and only half as likely to maintain that they have a responsibility to share their faith with others. They were more likely than the norm to say that Satan is not real; to believe that eternal salvation is earned; and to contend that Jesus Christ sinned while on earth…
The moral behaviors of Catholics also stood out in several areas. Among the 16 moral behaviors examined, Catholics were notably more likely to not say mean things about people behind their back, and were more likely to engage in recycling. However, they were also twice as likely to view pornographic content on the Internet and were more likely to use profanity, to gamble, and to buy lottery tickets.
The phenomenon of lapsed Catholics has been more common in my experience than lapsed Protestants, but having been raised Catholic I’m probably suffering from sample bias. Anyone have any theories as to why the data here is what it is? Any theories, I mean, that don’t involve denigrating the Church the way some of our more nuanced Protestant readers did in the thread about the Pope a few days ago? For some, I guess, if it’s not Muslims or Hindus, the nearest target will do.
As an inducement to thoughtful responses, I offer you this piece from former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson about how atheists really do believe in god no matter what they may think or say. Sigh.
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Nah, I’m not going to give your blog anymore hits….So I guess I’ll never read the article that rips me a “new rear door.” OH WELL….SIGH….
Come to NYC, and we’ll figure something out…What, are you going to fight me? BUT BUT BUT I thought YOU were the TOLERANT one, Lance? Basically, anybody just has to read your comments to see what a toolish, anti-Catholic bigot sound like (who isn’t used to being stood up to). I’m guessing you were a playground bully…either that, or you have a very small penis…probably both…
WillBarrett on July 14, 2007 at 8:52 PM
Trainwife,
May I please, respectfully, ask “what commandments” are you referring to in the above?
I realize both you and I already agree with Romans chapter 3: verse 23 where it talks about “for all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God.”
We probably, I assume, already both agree that Jesus Himself commanded perfection, for He said, “be perfect, in Matthew 5:48″.
We know that in Romans 3:10 that the Bible states that “no one is righteous.” This verse echoes the Old Testament view of mankind as being utterly and wickedly depraved.
Jeremiah 17:9 states, “the heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.”
Repeatedly, the Bible states that man’s heart is so wicked that heart surgery is first required before salvation even occurs. The human heart must first undergo heart surgery, by the Divine Cardiac Surgeon.
After heart surgery is performed by God alone, man’s heart is transformed and changed, and this is where “following the commandments” occur.
As a result of a transformed heart (by God alone), the believer in Christ desires to follow Christ and live a life marked by following his commands. But this lifestyle of “following His commands” occurs after salvation, not before.
May I ask the following questions to my friends here:
since the Catholic view teaches “faith plus good works over a lifetime may grant me access to heaven,”
—How many good works must I produce in order to clear the bar of divine acceptance? After all, Jesus Himself set the divine bar pretty high—impossible high—-Perfection.
—How “good” must my “good works” be?
—Will certain wicked works disqualify me from my final justification-even if I have produced many good works over 24 years? How about only 14 years? What about 5 years? Who makes the rules?
—Will God lower his standard of Divine justice in order to accomodate my sinful lifestyle in the act of justification (concerning salvation)?
Trainwife, I commend you for talking about following his commands. But the Bible states these occur after salvation, not before. They occur after a wicked heart has been transformed, not before.
The rest of Romans 3-4 talk about faith alone is the instrument by which we wicked sinners gain access to a holy and just God who does not tolerate sin.
ColtsFan on July 14, 2007 at 9:07 PM
Wow. And after I specifically warned people against denigrating the Church in my post.
Lance is banned. Who’s next?
Allahpundit on July 14, 2007 at 9:22 PM
Thank you. Lance was out of line.
ColtsFan on July 14, 2007 at 9:41 PM
The statement wasn’t designed to “settle” anything. It was meant to cover the primary theological divide from which all other divides stem. Catholics believe that the Priest literally transfigures the bread and wine into Jesus’ real body and blood. Protestants(at least the most popular sects) believe that the host and the wine represent the body and blood of Christ. Catholics believe that Jesus appointed Simon Peter as the first Pope who was charged with continuing the papacy. Protestants don’t believe the Pope is neccesary, mostly citing the indulgences that went on when Luther posted his 95 Theses to the church door as a sign of unending papal corruption.
As I said, infighting between Catholics and Protestants is idiotic. The only time I take out the Protestant slashing claws is when they pull out their anti-Catholic claws.
BKennedy on July 15, 2007 at 12:46 AM
The Pope started this debate when he made his statement. The response to his statement is appropriate. If an idiotic situation is occurring you are looking at the wrong people.
Rose on July 15, 2007 at 1:49 AM
The Bible and the Catholic Church.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/religion2.html
Irenaeus on July 15, 2007 at 2:00 AM
Here’s another nice one for those who might like to know more.
http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/biblical.html
Irenaeus on July 15, 2007 at 2:03 AM
This is not aimed at any Catholic on this blog. No matter what you say, I love Catholics. My children go to Catholic school and read the Catholic bible. My extended family is Catholic.
What was taught to nazi youth when Pope Ratz volunteered in his teens? Hate the Jewish people. What did Germany do? Kill the Jewish people, several million people. Don’t we clearly see the images of torment and death? Have we really forgotten what nazi Germany was all about?
Isn’t it clear what the cardinals have voted into power at the Catholic church, what one could call a pure breed nazi? They had to know this man’s background before they voted.
Then, there’s Pope Ratz choice to join the nazi anti-aircraft division during the war. What did nazi anti-aircraft personnel do? They tried to shoot down American and allied aircraft. Why? Because they wanted the pilots dead.
So, when Pope Ratz was 18, he was on a team of men trying to kill Americans.
Then, there’s Pope Ratz role in covering up the priest child sex ring within the Catholic church. How many priests did he transfer, move around and hide? How much did he do to prolong the misery of thousands of victims? How many people suffered because of Pope Ratz? I do not know. One is too many however.
Now Pope Ratz takes aim at Protestants, born-again believers, and others who choose not to be Catholics. Again, based on his training to hate Jews, this is not surprising. He chose to join the hate-filled nazi movement in his teen years. If he hates Jews, he can hate anyone.
So, when we read about apathy from Catholics, do not blame them. It starts at the top. Most Catholics are caring and giving people and many care they are being led by a nazi.
saved on July 15, 2007 at 7:34 AM
The lies and hatred behind which the Protestants on this blog are hiding are simply incredible. His Holiness was NOT taught to hate the Jews when he was growing up. He did not cover up the homosexual scandal that erupted in Boston in 2002, the individual cardinals and bishops of the individual dioceses did that. He was the head of the CDF until chosen by the Holy Ghost as Supreme Pontiff and therefore was not in a position to move the homosexual rapists around as you hatefully and maliciously claim. The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church transcends nationality. Even the attempt on Hitler’s life in July 1944 was the brain child of a devout Roman Catholic. What Germany perpetrated during the mid 20th century was evil, but there were thousands of Roman Catholic Germans and other nationalities who defied Hitler. By any stretch of the imagination, His Holiness is not a Nazi, and he never was.
Concerning salvation-the good deeds are not “measured” as a materialist or a Prod would measure them. Their worth is measured by what was in one’s heart at the time. We have no idea of their “intrinsic” worth, there is no score card or check list. We can fail at any time and be saved by His Grace. Holy Mother Church teaches that both faith and good deeds lead to salvation, not each separately. Without one, you cannot have the other. I believe, yet I struggle to do His will. I pray that I am saved. I worry that my faith is not enough. I worry that I will fail Him. I make reparations for my sins and those of the whole world. I pray to God constantly, and ask for the intercession of His saints.
I have no brief with any Protestant heresy- I do not care to learn of their so called truths, but neither would I ever create a public scandal by denigrating and defiling another’s beliefs, no matter how wrong. You have appealed to the lowest common denominators in your ad hominem attacks on His Holiness, and on Holy Mother Church. For shame. Definitely un Christian behavior, in any light.
trainwife1962 on July 15, 2007 at 8:33 AM
Trainwife1962,
Thank you for your comments. I agree with you here. I agree that Scripture alone teaches that salvation is a matter of the heart alone. God is interested in changing the heart. After heart surgery, outward, “good” deeds flows naturally as a result of a transformed heart.
Many of us “Protestants” already have said here we disagree strongly with some of the unfair, hurt-ful attacks leveled at the Catholic position in this thread.
ColtsFan on July 15, 2007 at 11:45 AM
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