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	<title>Comments on: Surprise: Webb&#8217;s troop-rotation amendment fails, 56-41; Update: Seven Republicans switch</title>
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		<title>By: Bill from Webb to slow bleed the military FAILS at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-558182</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill from Webb to slow bleed the military FAILS at Conservative Times--Republican GOP news source.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ajmontana</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-551572</link>
		<dc:creator>ajmontana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I see a picture of that dumbass &quot;Tommy&quot; Ried I want to vomit.</description>
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		<title>By: Senate Iraq Surrender Fight (who to contact) &#171; Utah Rattler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senate Iraq Surrender Fight (who to contact) &#171; Utah Rattler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Senate Iraq Surrender Fight (who to&#160;contact) Filed under: Military Support, US Government, War &#8212; utahrattler @ 6:53 am   Senator Harry Reid and his cohorts (including a few Republicans) are making a new push to give up in Iraq (one amendment has already been defeated) and some have gone so far as to declare the surge a failure, before it is fully implemented. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Senate Iraq Surrender Fight (who to&nbsp;contact) Filed under: Military Support, US Government, War &#8212; utahrattler @ 6:53 am   Senator Harry Reid and his cohorts (including a few Republicans) are making a new push to give up in Iraq (one amendment has already been defeated) and some have gone so far as to declare the surge a failure, before it is fully implemented. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: csdeven</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-551017</link>
		<dc:creator>csdeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clear that keeping senate seats will be important if Hillary wins in 08, so in a way, I understand this move. Public support is just about gone and the only people for the war are those who understand the long term disaster that is sure to happen when the neighboring countries start looking at Iraq like a warm apple pie sitting unguarded on a farm house window sill.
If that happens, we will have two choices.......Let it happen and face an Iran that could give us $8 a gallon gasoline and a terrorist state in western Iraq, or we can go back in there and put more American blood and treasure in harms way.
And if anyone thinks the world community is going to help us, you&#039;re wrong. Just like the traitorous dems, the world community is intent on stamping out conservative thinking and replace it with the peacenik policy of &quot;I&#039;d like to buy the world a coke&quot; mentality. The problem is that Islamo-fascists don&#039;t drink coke, they drink the blood of the weak.

Bush and company better get this in gear and do whatever is necessary to put Iran in compliance and destroy those who oppose us with terrorist tactics. Does anyone remember the speech Bush gave after 911? &quot;Anyone who isn&#039;t for us is against us&quot;. It&#039;s no wonder support is gone. He lets Iran attack our troops in Iraq and does nothing! He sits on his thumbs while Iran develops nuclear capability! At the very least he should close the border with Iran and bomb the #ell out of some nuclear facilities in Iran.

In the respect of the GLOBAL war on terror, Bush IS, just as Bin Laden said, a paper tiger. Look at the damage done to the USSR when they pulled out of Afghanistan. THAT is the exact image we will be accepting onto the US armed forces and the US in general if we pull out of Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear that keeping senate seats will be important if Hillary wins in 08, so in a way, I understand this move. Public support is just about gone and the only people for the war are those who understand the long term disaster that is sure to happen when the neighboring countries start looking at Iraq like a warm apple pie sitting unguarded on a farm house window sill.<br />
If that happens, we will have two choices&#8230;&#8230;.Let it happen and face an Iran that could give us $8 a gallon gasoline and a terrorist state in western Iraq, or we can go back in there and put more American blood and treasure in harms way.<br />
And if anyone thinks the world community is going to help us, you&#8217;re wrong. Just like the traitorous dems, the world community is intent on stamping out conservative thinking and replace it with the peacenik policy of &#8220;I&#8217;d like to buy the world a coke&#8221; mentality. The problem is that Islamo-fascists don&#8217;t drink coke, they drink the blood of the weak.</p>
<p>Bush and company better get this in gear and do whatever is necessary to put Iran in compliance and destroy those who oppose us with terrorist tactics. Does anyone remember the speech Bush gave after 911? &#8220;Anyone who isn&#8217;t for us is against us&#8221;. It&#8217;s no wonder support is gone. He lets Iran attack our troops in Iraq and does nothing! He sits on his thumbs while Iran develops nuclear capability! At the very least he should close the border with Iran and bomb the #ell out of some nuclear facilities in Iran.</p>
<p>In the respect of the GLOBAL war on terror, Bush IS, just as Bin Laden said, a paper tiger. Look at the damage done to the USSR when they pulled out of Afghanistan. THAT is the exact image we will be accepting onto the US armed forces and the US in general if we pull out of Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: profitsbeard</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549865</link>
		<dc:creator>profitsbeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Reid and Snowe get the approval of Al-Qaeda for this first?

We don&#039;t want to leave them in the lurch by withdrawing before they can get in place for the takeover.

As Rumsfeld said:  &quot;&lt;em&gt;Freedom is messy&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

And as Mohammad pre-added: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Looting is delightful&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Reid and Snowe get the approval of Al-Qaeda for this first?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want to leave them in the lurch by withdrawing before they can get in place for the takeover.</p>
<p>As Rumsfeld said:  &#8220;<em>Freedom is messy</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>And as Mohammad pre-added: &#8220;<em>Looting is delightful</em>.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Claimsratt</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549802</link>
		<dc:creator>Claimsratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone please answer this question:  How many of the 1000 polled have actually put boots on the ground in Iraq?  Do they even have the &quot;moral authority&quot; to participate in the poll?  Why not ask the folks who are fighting and have fought in Iraq what they think?

My old high school chemistry teacher said that science experiments give the result that the folks who pay for it want Polls are the same. 

Exit question: Why does anyone pay attention to polls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone please answer this question:  How many of the 1000 polled have actually put boots on the ground in Iraq?  Do they even have the &#8220;moral authority&#8221; to participate in the poll?  Why not ask the folks who are fighting and have fought in Iraq what they think?</p>
<p>My old high school chemistry teacher said that science experiments give the result that the folks who pay for it want Polls are the same. </p>
<p>Exit question: Why does anyone pay attention to polls?</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549651</link>
		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have time to &quot;google&quot; it yet again. Been there, done that many times over the last year.

You can &quot;google&#039; it this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have time to &#8220;google&#8221; it yet again. Been there, done that many times over the last year.</p>
<p>You can &#8220;google&#8217; it this time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sinner</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549642</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
More Americans are killed each year by illegal Mexicans than were killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.

MB4 on July 11, 2007 at 7:15 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sounds like a wildly exaggerated talk-radio talking point.  What&#039;s your source?</description>
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More Americans are killed each year by illegal Mexicans than were killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.</p>
<p>MB4 on July 11, 2007 at 7:15 PM
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<p>That sounds like a wildly exaggerated talk-radio talking point.  What&#8217;s your source?</p>
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		<title>By: krabbas</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549600</link>
		<dc:creator>krabbas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Virginian, I am especially disspointed that one of my elected representatives proposed this and the other went along with it. 

My question is, what is the best way to make my point to Sen. Warner? I can&#039;t very well threaten to vote for his 2008 opponent in good consciousness, knowing that I would never vote Dem. And as far as I know there isn&#039;t a republican challenging him in the primary that I know of... I&#039;m dissapointed to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Virginian, I am especially disspointed that one of my elected representatives proposed this and the other went along with it. </p>
<p>My question is, what is the best way to make my point to Sen. Warner? I can&#8217;t very well threaten to vote for his 2008 opponent in good consciousness, knowing that I would never vote Dem. And as far as I know there isn&#8217;t a republican challenging him in the primary that I know of&#8230; I&#8217;m dissapointed to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549578</link>
		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Americans are killed each year by illegal Mexicans than were killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Americans are killed each year by illegal Mexicans than were killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sinner</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549386</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s not the Mexicans that are the problem, they blow leaves, they don&#039;t blow up buildings.  tough border enforcement with a guest worker program for them is fine w/ me.  what we should do is restrict men from the middle east (save Israel) from being allowed in this country.  the 9/11 hijackers came here legally, they didn&#039;t cross no borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s not the Mexicans that are the problem, they blow leaves, they don&#8217;t blow up buildings.  tough border enforcement with a guest worker program for them is fine w/ me.  what we should do is restrict men from the middle east (save Israel) from being allowed in this country.  the 9/11 hijackers came here legally, they didn&#8217;t cross no borders.</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549371</link>
		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one do not want to trade one open borders freak, Jorge Arbusto, for another open borders freak, Rudolf &quot;Sanctuary City Mayor&quot; Guliania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one do not want to trade one open borders freak, Jorge Arbusto, for another open borders freak, Rudolf &#8220;Sanctuary City Mayor&#8221; Guliania.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sinner</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549349</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it conservative to support a cash and troop-sucking losing war?  All the $ we are spending in Iraq is a waste, because everything is going to be blown to hell once the inevitable civil war that we are somewhat suppressing now goes full throttle once we leave.  You people are blind bushies, loyal to this incompetent President, why? Just because he&#039;s a Jesus freak, errr excuse me I mean a &quot;man of faith&quot;?  Pathetic.  No wonder the GOP is losing voters every day.  The GOP needs to move toward my incredibly popular Governor Schwarzenegger&#039;s stance and be libertarian when it comes to people&#039;s private lives and strong and smart on defense.  Electing Rudy in &#039;08 is a good start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it conservative to support a cash and troop-sucking losing war?  All the $ we are spending in Iraq is a waste, because everything is going to be blown to hell once the inevitable civil war that we are somewhat suppressing now goes full throttle once we leave.  You people are blind bushies, loyal to this incompetent President, why? Just because he&#8217;s a Jesus freak, errr excuse me I mean a &#8220;man of faith&#8221;?  Pathetic.  No wonder the GOP is losing voters every day.  The GOP needs to move toward my incredibly popular Governor Schwarzenegger&#8217;s stance and be libertarian when it comes to people&#8217;s private lives and strong and smart on defense.  Electing Rudy in &#8216;08 is a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549331</link>
		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fatal writes: &quot;The Dems and Libs are throwing this entire nation under the bus for the expediency of gaining political power, fully knowing that it will cost 10’s if not 100’s of thousands of lives in the ME.&quot;

It will cost thousands of AMERICAN lives.  Here.  In the United States.  The Democrats (the Traitor Party) and those Traitor Republican Whores in the Senate have given Al Qaeda a new breath of life.  They have given Al Qaeda VICTORY, something that they could not win on the battlefield.  They have given Al Qaeda that which bin Laden promised his followers -- the PROOF that America has neither the will power nor the stamina to fight the long fight.  And they will strike us again, and again, and again. 

Thanks to these bast*rds and the treasonous MSM which has worked long and hard to destroy our will to fight, bin Laden has ANOTHER Mogadishu to claim as his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fatal writes: &#8220;The Dems and Libs are throwing this entire nation under the bus for the expediency of gaining political power, fully knowing that it will cost 10’s if not 100’s of thousands of lives in the ME.&#8221;</p>
<p>It will cost thousands of AMERICAN lives.  Here.  In the United States.  The Democrats (the Traitor Party) and those Traitor Republican Whores in the Senate have given Al Qaeda a new breath of life.  They have given Al Qaeda VICTORY, something that they could not win on the battlefield.  They have given Al Qaeda that which bin Laden promised his followers &#8212; the PROOF that America has neither the will power nor the stamina to fight the long fight.  And they will strike us again, and again, and again. </p>
<p>Thanks to these bast*rds and the treasonous MSM which has worked long and hard to destroy our will to fight, bin Laden has ANOTHER Mogadishu to claim as his.</p>
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		<title>By: Wake up America</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549316</link>
		<dc:creator>Wake up America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bill from Webb to slow bleed the military FAILS...&lt;/strong&gt;

[Scroll for updates]In the latest attempt to undermine our troops and &quot;slow bleed&quot; our military into leaving Iraq, Webb sponsored a bill that he knew the Senate didn&#039;t ha ......</description>
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<p>[Scroll for updates]In the latest attempt to undermine our troops and &#8220;slow bleed&#8221; our military into leaving Iraq, Webb sponsored a bill that he knew the Senate didn&#8217;t ha &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: georgej</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/11/surprise-webbs-troop-rotation-amendment-fails-56-41/comment-page-1/#comment-549313</link>
		<dc:creator>georgej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect the Democrats to betray this country.  That&#039;s what they do, after all. That&#039;s what they did in Vietnam. But I am both bitterly angry and disappointed that any Republicans joined them.

They&#039;re nothing but &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;WHORES&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; selling out to be reelected in 2008.

I spit on them, specifically, and I spit on the Senate in general as the collection of pontificating whores and corrupt cowards they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect the Democrats to betray this country.  That&#8217;s what they do, after all. That&#8217;s what they did in Vietnam. But I am both bitterly angry and disappointed that any Republicans joined them.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re nothing but <strong><em>WHORES</em></strong> selling out to be reelected in 2008.</p>
<p>I spit on them, specifically, and I spit on the Senate in general as the collection of pontificating whores and corrupt cowards they are.</p>
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		<title>By: major john</title>
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		<dc:creator>major john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AP,

&lt;blockquote&gt;but we really might reap the whirlwind next November&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You begin to sound like you&#039;d throw 26 million Iraqis under the bus to hold a few Senate seats...please disabuse me of that notion.  

I still hold to that quaint set of 7 values the Army professes:  Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, and Integrity.  I don&#039;t see a one of those that would be satisfied by putting doubtful political expedience over our commitment to Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AP,</p>
<blockquote><p>but we really might reap the whirlwind next November</p></blockquote>
<p>You begin to sound like you&#8217;d throw 26 million Iraqis under the bus to hold a few Senate seats&#8230;please disabuse me of that notion.  </p>
<p>I still hold to that quaint set of 7 values the Army professes:  Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, and Integrity.  I don&#8217;t see a one of those that would be satisfied by putting doubtful political expedience over our commitment to Iraq (or Afghanistan for that matter).</p>
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		<title>By: Fatal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fatal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &quot;Sleeping Giant&quot; to &quot;Paper Tiger&quot; in less than 70 years.  The swiftest fall from absolute world-power history has ever seen.

The saddest lesson the rest of the world will learn from this:

1.  Whatever you do, do NOT put your trust in the U.S.A., the most unreliable ally the world has ever known. 

Didn&#039;t we inflict enough pain and suffering on the Iraqi people after GW-I?  When our President&#039;s daddy showed he had completely lost the appendages that had seen him through WW-II and condemned thousands of Iraqis to the tender mercies of Saddam Hussiens attentions?  

Just like we did to the South Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Poles, the Hungarians, the Checks, etc? 

The Dems and Libs are throwing this entire nation under the bus for the expediency of gaining political power, fully knowing that it will cost 10&#039;s if not 100&#039;s of thousands of lives in the ME.  And even when they are &quot;successful&quot; and regain absolute political control of this country, and even after those 10&#039;s or 100&#039;s of thousands have died, they MUST know - They MUST KNOW - that we will have no choice but to GO BACK IN!  Either that or plunge ourselves into chaos and anarchy as we try to exist without adequate supplies of oil.

Its absolutely pitiful.

And its absolutely heartbreaking to think that I will end up joining the libs in being ashamed to call myself an American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;Sleeping Giant&#8221; to &#8220;Paper Tiger&#8221; in less than 70 years.  The swiftest fall from absolute world-power history has ever seen.</p>
<p>The saddest lesson the rest of the world will learn from this:</p>
<p>1.  Whatever you do, do NOT put your trust in the U.S.A., the most unreliable ally the world has ever known. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t we inflict enough pain and suffering on the Iraqi people after GW-I?  When our President&#8217;s daddy showed he had completely lost the appendages that had seen him through WW-II and condemned thousands of Iraqis to the tender mercies of Saddam Hussiens attentions?  </p>
<p>Just like we did to the South Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Poles, the Hungarians, the Checks, etc? </p>
<p>The Dems and Libs are throwing this entire nation under the bus for the expediency of gaining political power, fully knowing that it will cost 10&#8217;s if not 100&#8217;s of thousands of lives in the ME.  And even when they are &#8220;successful&#8221; and regain absolute political control of this country, and even after those 10&#8217;s or 100&#8217;s of thousands have died, they MUST know &#8211; They MUST KNOW &#8211; that we will have no choice but to GO BACK IN!  Either that or plunge ourselves into chaos and anarchy as we try to exist without adequate supplies of oil.</p>
<p>Its absolutely pitiful.</p>
<p>And its absolutely heartbreaking to think that I will end up joining the libs in being ashamed to call myself an American.</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they Iraqi Islamic Sunni v. Islamic Shiite hatred for one another is &lt;b&gt;SO BAD&lt;/b&gt; that there will be a genocide if &quot;we&quot; leave, how can Bush possibly believe that &quot;we&quot; can ever get them to get along well enough to build that “democracy that respects the rights of their people, uphold the rule of law and fight extremists alongside America in the war on terror” ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they Iraqi Islamic Sunni v. Islamic Shiite hatred for one another is <b>SO BAD</b> that there will be a genocide if &#8220;we&#8221; leave, how can Bush possibly believe that &#8220;we&#8221; can ever get them to get along well enough to build that “democracy that respects the rights of their people, uphold the rule of law and fight extremists alongside America in the war on terror” ???</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Imperialist Running Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Imperialist Running Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a proposal, that will put an end to this, put it forward as an ammendment to any plan for withdrawl:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Recognizing, that there are consequences to the plan, the senate recognizes that in any place where there is a major troop deployment, and that said troops are providing security, no redeployment of troops may take place that would result in genocide, ethnic cleansing, or other major war crimes, unless such retreat is required by a 2/3rd majority of the senate&lt;/blockquote&gt;

it would be entertaining just to see what sort of logical pretzels the dem&#039;s would tie themselves in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a proposal, that will put an end to this, put it forward as an ammendment to any plan for withdrawl:</p>
<blockquote><p> Recognizing, that there are consequences to the plan, the senate recognizes that in any place where there is a major troop deployment, and that said troops are providing security, no redeployment of troops may take place that would result in genocide, ethnic cleansing, or other major war crimes, unless such retreat is required by a 2/3rd majority of the senate</p></blockquote>
<p>it would be entertaining just to see what sort of logical pretzels the dem&#8217;s would tie themselves in</p>
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		<title>By: Always Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Always Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Norm Coleman is feeling Al Franken&#039;s hot breath on his neck, huh....

Good Gawd, what is this world coming to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Norm Coleman is feeling Al Franken&#8217;s hot breath on his neck, huh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good Gawd, what is this world coming to.</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;C-Low - &quot;If we stay and continue to build on what we already have invested&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Murphy&#039;s first rule of holes: When in one, first stop digging.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;You don’t pick a fight you are not prepared to finish.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Bush has picked Islamic Nation building between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq. The Iranians are not afraid of him.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;No body should be even considering retreat from Iraq unless they have a alternative that will ensure US not having to return to Iraq after the terrorist trained in the safe haven that it will become attacks US in the future.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Iraq a safe haven for Al Q? 

I think that the majority Shiites will have something to say about Al Q taking over Iraq. Even most of their fellow Sunnis don&#039;t like Al Q much. 

Attacks against the U.S. coming from Iraq? 

Jorge Arbusto has left our borders wide open and has issued visas to the ME like there has been a going out of business sale, so why would Al Q attack the U.S. from Iraq? In fact, thanks to Bush&#039;s open borders and mass visas to the ME policies, they may well already be here like they were before 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>C-Low &#8211; &#8220;If we stay and continue to build on what we already have invested&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Murphy&#8217;s first rule of holes: When in one, first stop digging.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;You don’t pick a fight you are not prepared to finish.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Bush has picked Islamic Nation building between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq. The Iranians are not afraid of him.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;No body should be even considering retreat from Iraq unless they have a alternative that will ensure US not having to return to Iraq after the terrorist trained in the safe haven that it will become attacks US in the future.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Iraq a safe haven for Al Q? </p>
<p>I think that the majority Shiites will have something to say about Al Q taking over Iraq. Even most of their fellow Sunnis don&#8217;t like Al Q much. </p>
<p>Attacks against the U.S. coming from Iraq? </p>
<p>Jorge Arbusto has left our borders wide open and has issued visas to the ME like there has been a going out of business sale, so why would Al Q attack the U.S. from Iraq? In fact, thanks to Bush&#8217;s open borders and mass visas to the ME policies, they may well already be here like they were before 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: C-Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>C-Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB4

Mind boggling will be the word for the actions our enemies will either do or threaten after it is sunk real deep just how inept and without heart the US has become.  You think Iran will fear a US that cannot stomach 3k dead soldiers over 5yrs of war, think China will fear such, think any sane ally will dare put their very existence at stake for the support of such a nation.  Mind boggling will be the speed at which this nations power dissolves.  Paper Tiger status will be consider as a compliment for what the world will consider US. 

You don&#039;t pick a fight you are not prepared to finish.  And the only thing worse than being beaten is turning b*tch mid way through.

No body should be even considering retreat from Iraq unless they have a alternative that will ensure US not having to return to Iraq after the terrorist trained in the safe haven that it will become attacks US in the future. If we stay and continue to build on what we already have invested will require far less sacrifices in the longterm than if we retreat/surrender the field then after the next attack return and start all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB4</p>
<p>Mind boggling will be the word for the actions our enemies will either do or threaten after it is sunk real deep just how inept and without heart the US has become.  You think Iran will fear a US that cannot stomach 3k dead soldiers over 5yrs of war, think China will fear such, think any sane ally will dare put their very existence at stake for the support of such a nation.  Mind boggling will be the speed at which this nations power dissolves.  Paper Tiger status will be consider as a compliment for what the world will consider US. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t pick a fight you are not prepared to finish.  And the only thing worse than being beaten is turning b*tch mid way through.</p>
<p>No body should be even considering retreat from Iraq unless they have a alternative that will ensure US not having to return to Iraq after the terrorist trained in the safe haven that it will become attacks US in the future. If we stay and continue to build on what we already have invested will require far less sacrifices in the longterm than if we retreat/surrender the field then after the next attack return and start all over.</p>
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		<title>By: TallDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>TallDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, the surge is only a couple weeks old.

Wait till September.  As John Travolta said in &lt;i&gt;Broken Arrow&lt;/i&gt;:  &quot;This is war.  And war is a very fluid situation.  Which is something you wouldn&#039;t know jack shit about.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, the surge is only a couple weeks old.</p>
<p>Wait till September.  As John Travolta said in <i>Broken Arrow</i>:  &#8220;This is war.  And war is a very fluid situation.  Which is something you wouldn&#8217;t know jack shit about.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: apollyonbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>apollyonbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrm, I&#039;d love for Thompson to respond to that LAT times article. They claim that he &quot;makes it clear&quot; that he isn&#039;t &quot;signed on&quot; to keeping 160,000 troops in Iraq. Yet the only quote from him is that withdrawing would be disastrous and that decisions need to be made on a &quot;day by day&quot; basis.

I wonder how much of that article is spin. Cuz everything Fred! has said to date basically says Petraeus knows what he&#039;s doing, and he supports the general&#039;s plan. I can&#039;t imagine that&#039;s suddenly changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrm, I&#8217;d love for Thompson to respond to that LAT times article. They claim that he &#8220;makes it clear&#8221; that he isn&#8217;t &#8220;signed on&#8221; to keeping 160,000 troops in Iraq. Yet the only quote from him is that withdrawing would be disastrous and that decisions need to be made on a &#8220;day by day&#8221; basis.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of that article is spin. Cuz everything Fred! has said to date basically says Petraeus knows what he&#8217;s doing, and he supports the general&#8217;s plan. I can&#8217;t imagine that&#8217;s suddenly changed.</p>
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