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Harvard terrorism expert: It’s about time we talked to Osama, don’t you think?

posted at 4:12 pm on July 11, 2007 by Allahpundit
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But not face to face, she insists, without saying why. I think it should be face to face. If you’re going to immolate your own honor, at least have the stones to look the man in the eye when you’re doing it.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: You’ve mentioned the possibility of setting up talks with groups like al-Qaida. How would such talks be set up?

Richardson: Well, I’m not suggesting that President Bush sit across a table from Osama bin Laden. They would be informal, set up through back channels. These sorts of efforts from the British government were instrumental in the successful resolution of conflict in Northern Ireland. And it’s conspicuously lacking from the United States right now.

Talks wouldn’t have to be negotiations. Sometimes diplomacy is just a matter of feeling the other side out, of finding out what they actually want. If we could find splits within the organization of al-Qaida, we could play them off of each other for our benefit, isolating the most radical elements. Some people say that setting up talks with terror groups would grant them too much legitimacy. But, in my view, declaring war on a terror group is actually the most effective way of granting legitimacy.

Zawahiri has put out three tapes in the last six days, one of them 94 minutes long and the latest a four-minute quickie that dropped within the past hour or so in which he stamps his feet over Musharraf’s decision to broadcast Burqa Boy’s shame to the world. Adam Gadahn gave a list of demands six weeks ago that went widely unnoticed despite the bouquets tossed at Ron Paul by the media after he scolded Giuliani at the debate for not listening closely enough to the enemy. If you’re hot to see “what they actually want,” watch the tapes. Or don’t, if you’d rather pretend that they’re just a “starting point for negotiation,” that Gadahn can’t possibly mean what he said, etc etc. Admittedly, watching tapes doesn’t really “foster dialogue,” which as we know is in all circumstances a virtue in itself and to be pursued.

Whatever. It’s been awhile since this argument was floated. We were overdue. I’d be curious to hear what Ron Paul thinks of Richardson’s idea, though, since he sort of got the ball rolling nationally on this subject and he’s famously open to alternate perspectives. Meanwhile, follow the first link in this post and see which candidate’s position on terror Richardson favors. Hint: It’s not Paul’s. It’s the guy’s who just won the MoveOn.org straw poll.


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Sometimes diplomacy is just a matter of feeling the other side out, of finding out what they actually want.

Earth to Ms. Richardson – AQ will accept only three possible outcomes when dealing with the U.S.:
1. We convert to Islam, as they define it;
2. We submit to Islamic rule, preferably with AQ as rulers; or
3. We Americans all die.
As far as AQ is concerned Allah himself forbids anything else.

Bigfoot on July 11, 2007 at 4:19 PM

They would be informal, set up through back channels.

If by “back channels” she means “dropping off Harvard terrorism experts in the Pakistani tribal areas with one of those ‘coexist’ bumper stickers (with the crescent moon of Islam, cross and Star of David on them) and a copy of ‘I’m OK, You’re OK’” then I’m all for it!

Citizen Duck on July 11, 2007 at 4:22 PM

Perhaps Ms Richardson would volunteer to be the US “back channel” negotiator.

darwin on July 11, 2007 at 4:22 PM

We already know what they want – To Kill Us
Or submit to Islam. Either way, it’s a death sentence.

Moonbats, can’t live with em, pass the beer nuts.

Kini on July 11, 2007 at 4:23 PM

I nominate this Richardson genius to be our initial emissary. But she has to let us pack up her satchel with a little something…special.

How typically arrogant and elitist. Find out what they really want. Indeed.

TexasDan on July 11, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Yeah, Harvard Terrorism Expert: Let me put her on this list;
Government Organization
Same Difference
Taped Live
Plastic Glass
Tight Slacks
Pretty Ugly
Head Butt
Working Vacation
Tax Return
Work Party
Jumbo Shrimp

there it is on July 11, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Nobody can be THAT naive and stupid…. can they???

Always Right on July 11, 2007 at 4:25 PM

Multiculturalism at work… if we could only understand their feelings! Let’s all hold hands and sing kumbaya!

synycalwon on July 11, 2007 at 4:26 PM

I’d like to, um, “talk” to him Smeato-style.

Spirit of 1776 on July 11, 2007 at 4:27 PM

I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony…

Everybody!!

On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 4:29 PM

If you’re hot to see “what they actually want,” watch the tapes.

Good point. It’s not as though they’ve been quiet about what they want from us.

Esthier on July 11, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Ummm… Harvard Terrorism Expert?

Ummm… is there even a Harvard Military History Profesor left?

Romeo13 on July 11, 2007 at 4:30 PM

I guess she never heard of Neville Chamberlain.

Or maybe she thinks that appeasement would work if only it were tried in its pure form. Kind of like her comrades in Cambridge view socialism.

Anton on July 11, 2007 at 4:30 PM

If only we had sent the Jews in Hollywood to talk to Hitler, maybe we could’ve had a peace treaty with him after the Nazis held Poland, Czech, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Denmark, and France.

TheEJS on July 11, 2007 at 4:30 PM

He’s suggesting a seance?

naliaka on July 11, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Not to mention we had Japanese diplomats in the US the day before Pearl Harbor.

On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 4:36 PM

Ummm… Harvard Terrorism Expert

Just driving of walking around Harvard you can feel terror when you realize these are supposed to be our brightest and best. Scares the crap Harvard Professor out of me!

Wade on July 11, 2007 at 4:40 PM

OT: is something wrong with RFK Jr? Watching him on fox right now and he sounds terrible. No disrespect if he has health issues, but he sounds really bad. anyway…Exxon is the source of all evil apparently.

sunny on July 11, 2007 at 4:46 PM

* Finally bowing to the inevitable, Michelle Malkin replaces the staff of Hot Air with underpaid Mexicans. Because of the cost savings, they all get iPhones.

just had to re-post it somewhere….

shooter on July 11, 2007 at 4:48 PM

If by talk she means trick the bastard to come out of where he’s hiding so we can drop a Daisy Cutter on the slimeball, then yeah, lets *talk*.

Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Talks wouldn’t have to be negotiations. Sometimes diplomacy is just a matter of feeling the other side out, of finding out what they actually want.

IS SHE BRAIN DEAD?
What is wrong with these people?

I don’t mean the islamafascists / terrorists. I know where they’re coming from AND what they want.

But these others? I’ve no idea.

shooter on July 11, 2007 at 4:51 PM

She’s right! We really should get together. Let’s go ahead and set a time and some GPS coordinates at which to meet. Feel free to bring as many friends as you’d like.

Blacklake on July 11, 2007 at 4:56 PM

If by talk she means trick the bastard to come out of where he’s hiding so we can drop a Daisy Cutter on the slimeball, then yeah, lets *talk*.

Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Me likes the way you think!

On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 4:57 PM

Harvard terrorism expert…..

I can not get over this one. From Harvard?

Junior, it’s time to pick another school for your ‘higher learning’.

BUT-I would gladly sit face to face with usama. I would give it a ’shot’…..

….once between his eyes ought to do it.

They don’t call me shooter for nothin.

shooter on July 11, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Hey, there’s a novel idea. Let’s ask the British what to do.

Higher Ed is madly delusional. The British are perhaps the worst government in which to model your policies after. “Look out for people doing things” comes to mind as does the British designed/American executed plot to depose Mossadegh in Iran.

Yes. Let’s take lessons from Brits like Gertrude Bell and Jack Philby. They know what they’re talking about. Oh wait, they’re dead. Good riddance.

gabriel sutherland on July 11, 2007 at 5:10 PM

For a moment, I thought the Harvard expert was Jessica Stern. For her sake, it is not.

gabriel sutherland on July 11, 2007 at 5:11 PM

What a great debate – Communist intellectual from the University of Colorado vs. Terrorist intellectual from Harvard University:

Should, or should not, “a bunch of little Eichmann’s” engage in peace talks with “the most radical elements of Al Qaida”?

OhEssYouCowboys on July 11, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Dear Mizzzzz Richardson,
Bin Laden’s idea of “feeling the other side out” may be slightly different than what you had in mind (think decapitation with a large, dull knife).
Until we re-learn how to win a frikkin’ war (overwhelming force), this insanity will continue.

mountainmanbob on July 11, 2007 at 5:22 PM

A higher edumacation does not equal street smarts! Something the “elite” simply fail to understand, but UBL counted on. You don’t fight a barbaric enemy with cerebral skills, but with the only thing such an enemy understands, brute force strength.

synycalwon on July 11, 2007 at 5:26 PM

I want to talk to him. But then the Patriot Act would start to infringe on my right to hold private conversations with medieval savages out to kill us all, and I’ve heard that Patriot Act interference causes BDS. Next thing I know I might be sympathising with Osama, which would defeat the whole purpose of the call.
Maybe I’ll just write.

NellE on July 11, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Thanks for the link, AP. Much appreciated.

JammieWearingFool on July 11, 2007 at 5:34 PM

So Harvard has taught us that women can’t do math, and now that women can’t figure how to deal with terrorists.

I bet Harvard would give him a scholarship, if he was willing to live in a spider hole in the People’s Republic of Cambridge.

I’m thinking of the scene in “The Thing”, when the brainy scientist runs up to reason with “it” before the electricity gets spiked and winds up getting bounced off a wall half way through the reasoning portion.

Hening on July 11, 2007 at 5:35 PM

Kill ‘em all. ASAP.

Griz on July 11, 2007 at 5:39 PM

I’d be curious to hear what Ron Paul thinks of Richardson’s idea…

And I’m supposed to care about Ron Paul because…?

Opinionnation on July 11, 2007 at 5:45 PM

To add another point, this type of thinking (by the Harvard type) is why we are fighting a “limited war” vis-a-vie the current ROE (rules of engagement). UBL would be confirmed dead and the jihad would be in its final throes had we fought this with gloves off!

synycalwon on July 11, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Talk?

Why not just surrender to the terrorists and get it over with.

petefrt on July 11, 2007 at 5:46 PM

He’s suggesting a seance?

naliaka on July 11, 2007 at 4:35 PM

If OBL is still alive, then we should talk to him. Let’s do it before Gitmo closes. I hear the food is really good there. He just might like to stay there ;-).

Snidely Whiplash on July 11, 2007 at 5:47 PM

Now how is it she’s an “expert on terror”? must have been her previous training at the State Dept. or is she going to retire to the State Dept. now that she’s a classified as a geo-yaker?

oldernslower on July 11, 2007 at 5:53 PM

OT: is something wrong with RFK Jr? Watching him on fox right now and he sounds terrible. No disrespect if he has health issues, but he sounds really bad. anyway…

He has some condition that causes spasms in his vocal cords. I use to think he ruined them from too much coke, but it appears to be a nondrug related medical condition.

Blake on July 11, 2007 at 5:56 PM

I think the alleged terrorism “expert” from Harvard, Louise Richardson, has lost what little she had left of her mind. Has she demonstrated astonishing naiveté, no, more likely an avalanche of stupidity.

As for her assertion that public diplomacy could be an effective way to combat the impression of the USA as an imperialist power, she may be on to something. I think we should “entertain” UBL very publicly, yes; we should play him the Star Spangled Banner using 2,000 pound JDAM GBU-31/B’s.

Zorro on July 11, 2007 at 5:57 PM

What makes her, Louise Richardson, an expert on terrorism?
Because she’s at Harvard? Last time I checked, there wasn’t any terrorism acts at Harvard, except maybe somebody from Yale?

It seems higher learning is high on learning, or smoking. ☺

Kini on July 11, 2007 at 6:08 PM

Harvard terrorism expert [italics added]

I know that Allahpundit’s very point is to hold this Harvard terrorism whatsit and her opinion up for scorn. So let me pour all my contempt on “experts.” In most cases, I prefer to call such people “specialists,” to connote their narrowness.

Kralizec on July 11, 2007 at 6:14 PM

I think face-to-face talks with Al Qaeda are a great idea.
So long as the ‘talk’ part involves a Mk19 automatic grenade launcher.
thu-thu-thu boom-boom-boom.
Ideal for home defence.

TABoLK on July 11, 2007 at 6:16 PM

What is this woman doing wasting her talents on international politics when she can break new ground as Harvard’s first football coach.

“We can’t win. We don’t have a chance. Resistance is futile and only makes our opponents more hostile. Therefor let’s forfeit the game, cancel the season and eliminate the football program.”

MaiDee on July 11, 2007 at 6:33 PM

despite the bouquets tossed at Ron Paul by the media after he scolded Giuliani at the debate for not listening closely enough to the enemy

Ron Paul’s point was that we don’t have to invent reasons as to why Al Queda attacked us, they told us why in bin Laden’s fatwa. This constant insinuation that Ron Paul wants to open up dialog with terrorists and accommodate them is a disingenuous smear.

You know, if his foreign policy positions were as vulnerable as you imply, you’d debunk them instead of engaging in smear tactics. No, non-interventionism (not “isolationism”, another oft-told lie) isn’t susceptible to such attacks because it is a completely valid position with many pros to offset the cons. Because it isn’t your position, it is clearly heretical; therefore you viciously attack it.

rho on July 11, 2007 at 6:47 PM

You know, if his foreign policy positions were as vulnerable as you imply, you’d debunk them instead of engaging in smear tactics. No, non-interventionism (not “isolationism”, another oft-told lie) isn’t susceptible to such attacks because it is a completely valid position with many pros to offset the cons.

It’s not that it’s valid or non-valid. It’s that it’s completely unrealistic. Go ahead and roll up the drawbridge and see where it gets you. But be thorough about it: no exportation of American culture, which is decadent and an incitement in itself to the mujahedeen. No foreign trade since that requires an American presence on holy Muslim soil, and which is also an “occupation” of a sort. No foreign aid to any “apostate” Muslim regime, which includes the Karzai government — a regime installed by a war which the great man himself voted for, I’ll remind you. No criticism either of any jihadist ends or means — that’s straight off of Adam Gadahn’s checklist.

So like I say: roll up the drawbridge. There’s nothing “heretical” about it. It’s simply untenable.

Allahpundit on July 11, 2007 at 6:58 PM

If we could find splits within the organization of al-Qaida, we could play them off of each other for our benefit, isolating the most radical elements. Some people say that setting up talks with terror groups would grant them too much legitimacy. But, in my view, declaring war on a terror group is actually the most effective way of granting legitimacy.

So, let me see if I have this straight: Treating a terrorist leader as a head of state and formally accepting his list of demands will DIS-credit him, make his organization have LESS legitimacy, and get all his lieutenants to challenge his leadership?

Oh yeah, that’s a hell of a plan there, toots.

logis on July 11, 2007 at 7:18 PM

Spiegel: Then was the failed suicide attack in Britain a humiliating experience for the terrorists involved?

Richardson: Absolutely. It is humiliating to come away from a suicide attack still alive. Interestingly, in the instance of a failed attack, terrorist groups try to mitigate the humiliation by destroying the video suicide notes before they can reach the public.

Really? How do you know this?

Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 7:50 PM

Allahpundit has done an almost MSM job on the real issue here. The people who aren’t listening who should concern aren’t the minuscule Ron Paul cult. Why even bring up this small splinter group of fruitcakes?

The real issue here is the MSM and the Left refuse to listen to what the muslims say. They merely impose their private fantasy of what the muslims say.

thuja on July 11, 2007 at 8:48 PM

Harvard Terrorism Expert.

Now she’s an oxymoron.

Miss_Anthrope on July 11, 2007 at 9:00 PM

I do believe we should surrender to al-Queda and declare a meeting with Osama so we can give him our writ of unconditional surrender.

Then we blow his jihadist POS head off.

The only thing bin Laden and his jihadist douchebags understand is treachery and violence. We won’t be rid of them until we play the same dirty game, lying to those fanatical zealots, killing them indiscriminately, and sending Islam forward into the Stone Age.

BKennedy on July 11, 2007 at 9:05 PM

People to Harvard Terrorism Expert:
“Isn’t it time we beat your stupid face into the cement as a response to the crap you recommend??”
B.Kerik

lizzee on July 11, 2007 at 10:01 PM

We already stated our demands to Bin Laden:

SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY OR DIE.

Worked with the previous, secular Nazis.

Works just as well with theocratic nazis.

SURRENDER OR DIE.

Guess they don’t teach WW II history at Hah-vahd?

profitsbeard on July 11, 2007 at 10:22 PM

We already stated our demands to Bin Laden:

SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY OR DIE.

Worked with the previous, secular Nazis.

Works just as well with theocratic nazis.

SURRENDER OR DIE.

Guess they don’t teach WW II history at Hah-vahd?

profitsbeard on July 11, 2007 at 10:22 PM

Since this enemy doesn’t have much of a problem with “Or die,” perhaps we should make the terms:

SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY OR DIE PUMPED FULL OF PIG’S BLOOD AND BACON BITS!

Essentially we would be changing our terms from one’s they understand, “Be in Hell or Be a Martyr,” to Be in Hell or we’ll put you there, Islamofascist *expletive deleted*!

BKennedy on July 12, 2007 at 8:38 AM

A few Harvard alumni that come to mind:

Ted Kennedy
Chuck Schumer
Russ Feingold
Barack Obama

Not making any assertions about the people or the school ..

Just sayin’ …

DJ Dubya on July 12, 2007 at 8:56 AM

BKENNEDY-

DIE PUMPED FULL OF PIG’S BLOOD AND BACON BITS!

What a waste of bacon bits.

Although, I agree, the Black Jack Pershing methodology would be a nice addition to the condition.

profitsbeard on July 12, 2007 at 10:58 AM

If they’re not negotiations, what’s the point?

mojo on July 12, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Andbody else having trouble with a terrorism “expert” who doesn’t know what terrorists want?

JM Hanes on July 12, 2007 at 12:38 PM

If they’re not negotiations, what’s the point?
mojo on July 12, 2007 at 12:01 PM

A “talk” without a negotiation is basically a tea party.

And those have a point – to let your friends know that you appreciate them.

logis on July 12, 2007 at 1:25 PM

I think Ms. Richardson needs to consider France as a possible immigration choice.

Ernest on July 12, 2007 at 2:33 PM

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