“Deport the Criminals First”: Illegal Gangster Arrested 27 Times Without Deportation Before (Allegedly) Murdering 13-Year-Old
posted at 10:17 am on July 11, 2007 by Patterico
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["Deport the Criminals First" is a recurring feature on this blog, highlighting crimes committed by illegal immigrants -- with a special focus on repeat offenders. I argue that, instead of arresting illegal immigrants who work hard for a living, we should use our limited immigration enforcement resources to target illegal immigrants who commit crimes in this country.]
A piece on the Chicago Tribune web site tells the story of what happens when government officials fail to Deport the Criminals First. (h/t Ed J.)
Prosecutors allege that Mwenda Murithi was a leader in the Imperial Gangsters and on the evening of June 25 he gave the order to shoot at a rival gang, killing 13-year-old Schanna Gayden, an innocent bystander.
Murithi, 26, was charged with first-degree murder along with the alleged gunman, Tony Serrano, 19.
The question at trial will be whether there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Murithi is guilty of that charge.
The question I have, though, is why Murithi was in the country at all that night.
It turns out that Murithi had “emigrated from Kenya on a student visa” which was terminated for dropping out of school.
He became not just an uninvited guest in this country but a most unwelcome one: Chicago police records show Murithi was arrested 27 times from June 2003 until his arrest in connection with Schanna’s slaying on a Northwest Side school playground.
The charges weren’t horrible — mostly possession of cocaine, possession of marijuana, obstruction of traffic, drinking alcohol on a public way and other offenses commonly associated with the career of drug-dealing gang-bangers. Police said four of the charges were felonies; the Cook County state’s attorney’s office said Murithi had two misdemeanor convictions, one of which resulted in 30 days in jail this spring.
But still. It’s disquieting that anyone with that kind of track record for trouble spent so little time behind bars. And it’s outrageous that Murithi was still in the United States June 25, more than four years after he became an illegal immigrant and began racking up arrests.
Yes, it is. If Murithi had been deported any one of those 27 times he was arrested, it’s likely that Schanna Gayden would still be alive.
So whose fault is it? Watch as the buck gets passed:
Not us! said the Chicago Police Department. “We don’t ever ask about immigration status,” said spokeswoman Monique Bond. “We leave that up to the courts.”
Not us! said the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. “We don’t check,” said spokesman John Gorman. “That’s for [ICE] to do. We’re not involved.”
Not us! said ICE. “Law enforcement agencies can contact our Law Enforcement Support Center for timely and accurate information” 24 hours a day, Rusnok said. If “the person who is being inquired about is subject to removal, [ICE] can place a detainer with the Police Department ordering the department to hold the person … to allow ICE officials to take the person into custody and begin removal proceedings.”
Somewhere in all that buck-passing, 13-year-old Schanna Gayden lost her life.
The way to prevent such tragedies is simple. We must reallocate ICE resources so that all inmates in every jail and prison in the country are screened for their immigration status — so that all illegals are deported after serving their sentences. We must deputize local law enforcement officials to help identify illegals. We must end “sanctuary city” policies that prevent local law enforcement from making such inquiries.
If we do these things, we can concentrate our limited deportation resources on the least desirable illegals: the ones who commit crimes while in this country.
Some efforts have begun in Washington, D.C. to make some of these changes. But it’s not enough. Until we are identifying each and every illegal inmate in the country, it’s just not enough.
How many Schanna Gaydens need to die before we take action?
[Patterico blogs at Patterico.com and can be reached at patterico -AT- gmail -DOT- com.]
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When are we going to start calling these people what they are, Domestic Terrorists, and treating them as such? These are home grown terror organizations, plain and simple. To hell with trying to rehabilitate them. Have the government declare them terrorists and deal with them appropriately.
Kowboy on July 11, 2007 at 10:21 AM
Exactly. I think it’s unrealistic to even attempt to deport every illegal in this country. I would bet the majority are here just to work and make a living, because the country they came from failed to give them a decent shot at doing so.
Yes, they entered illegally and that’s a crime. But in the current situation we should be using our resources to get the criminals and gangsters out of the country, and build the fence to keep them from coming back in.
BadgerHawk on July 11, 2007 at 10:26 AM
You think Hillary Clinton would do anything about this problem? Why doesn’t someone ask her on the campaign trail? Every candidate should be asked about this.
WisCon on July 11, 2007 at 10:30 AM
This is how Humans work, they let go and do nothing about what’s wrong, until a disaster occurs.
It’s human nature, right?
Well, it’s a lame excuse to justify failure.
Hopefully, thousands or millions of innocent Americans will not have to be killed by Islam before the U.S. government start securing this nation.
Indy Conservative on July 11, 2007 at 10:30 AM
If I am not mistaken, most of those quotes come from a column by Eric Zorn at the Tribune. For perspective, be aware that Zorn is dyed-in-the-wool leftist, and this must hurt more than a little bit for him to write.
But he’s not a liar, so the story comes out without excuses. Kudos to Zorn for a rare moment of logical clarity…
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 10:32 AM
This is sickening!
Here’s hoping that the victim’s family sues the shit out of the police department, courts, and ICE. Personally I think they should be brought up on charges of accessory to murder.
Perhaps getting sued and made a spectacle publically would force these idiots to do their jobs instead of pass the buck.
I also think we should deport the criminals first -or- house them in either the Kennedy or Bush family compound.
CrazyFool on July 11, 2007 at 10:37 AM
The number of Schannas who die is irrelevant to the powers-that-be. Her and the rest of us are nobodies to them. It will take an illegal killing someone very important to get their attention.
infidel4life on July 11, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Maybe if we actually deported criminals prisons wouldn’t have the infamous crowding problem I keep hearing about.
Esthier on July 11, 2007 at 10:42 AM
One of my colleagues just wrapped a prop bono matter defending a one-armed 66 year-old woman, a Turkish national with a green card, against deportation proceedings. She had pled guilty to shoplifting a $35 blouse. Go figure.
spd rdr on July 11, 2007 at 10:43 AM
Apparently, the shooting wasn’t over anything other than “who owns this turf”. The order to shoot at other gang members was nothing more than to assert the Imperial Gangsters domain of a playground.
You can try to get some federal law to change the way illegal immigrants are courted in Illinois, but in this district, Luis Guitierrez 4th district – extravagant supporter of illegal immigration – it’s going to be impossible to enforce. The 4th district is explicitly gerrymandered so as to make it the Hispanic congressional district in Chicago. It’s gerrymandered right next to Danny Davis’ congressional district that is explicitly for blacks.
The failure to check immigration status is “jus’ business” in Crook County.
gabriel sutherland on July 11, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Somebody needs to tell O’reilly about this.
JustTruth101 on July 11, 2007 at 10:48 AM
If he made her cry he would have been deported. At least his ratings would have dropped 5 points.
All kidding aside, this is tragic beyond tragic.
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 10:49 AM
Exactly.
Zetterson on July 11, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Wow. I guess the government has to protect people from those deadly, deadly shoplifters. That woman had one arm and she tried to shoplift? That’s pretty impressive. Not demeaning the awesome crime of shoplifting, but come on. Isn’t an illegal who was arrested 27 times more of a priority to deport? That’s actually a tragedy.
mjk on July 11, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Just another example of the liberal Democrats who run Chicago doing a marvelous job of looking out for black people.
thareb on July 11, 2007 at 10:51 AM
What most of us want to do does not involve the rounding up and deportation of all illegals. If we enforce the laws both at the borders and crack down on the businesses who hire illegals most will leave willingly. We won’t have to lift a deportation finger. The only ones leftover will be criminal gang members who aren’t here to work. For them, let the deportation begin!
Zetterson on July 11, 2007 at 10:54 AM
The Dims and libs cry and moan what about “the families” and how deportation of the illegals will destroy the family units. My question for them is’: what about American families that are destroyed by illegals committing crimes here? What about the Gayden family and all the other “Gayden families” on our country.
The libs are famous for championing the victims. Why the f**k can’t they see that our families are victims of illegals and get on our side instead of the side of the illegals.
Mallard T. Drake on July 11, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Calling all pro-bono conservative attorneys! Where are you? Please contact this girl’s family and offer your services.
When the refusal to enforce immigration laws start hitting these cities in the budget, things will start to change.
Gregor on July 11, 2007 at 10:54 AM
OT – maybe:
What Politico’s really care about.
http://porkbusters.org/scorecard.php
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Someone should ask Obama about this? He’s an Illinois Senator after all. One of his constituents was just murdered by an illegal. Surely he has something to say.
Thomas the Wraith on July 11, 2007 at 10:56 AM
The buck stops on your desk, President Bush.
President Bush, LOOK AT THAT BEAUTIFUL SHINING GIRL WHO IS NO MORE. Damn it I have so much rage about this story. Patterico, thanks for bringing this to us. I want to hear about every single victim of illegal aliens that the federal government has failed to deport. Maybe finally one of them will be the tipping point.
Schanna, I wish I would have known you. Rest in peace, sweet baby.
RushBaby on July 11, 2007 at 10:57 AM
All right, this is perfect:
So I called the City of Chicago police department to see wtf they are going to do about this deal, and first I get some fat, brainless imbecile who doesn’t know what I’m talking about and finally says “dis ain’t da police department”, and transfers me (it was the police main phone number, fwiw).
This girl answers, sounds Mexican (wait), and after I ask her if they are going to do something about criminal illegal aliens, or is Schanna Gayden just another disposable dead 13 year old black girl, her response: you mean immigrant? Me: “Wha?”
“You mean immigrant, sir?” No, you stupid c**t, I mean illegal alien, which is what the law designates you after the Federal courts issue an order for your deportation. ILLEGAL AlIEN. She wasn’t buying it: “No, sir, it’s immigration.”
Ah…now I understand the problem.
“Sir, call your local alderman if you have a problem.”
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 10:59 AM
wow this is getting out of hand. anyone with a criminal record and no verifiable immigration status has to go…there is just no two ways about it anymore. we can worry about the status quo with regards to everyone else later, but common, arrested 27 times and still on the street?? a US citizen caught with weed 27 times is gettin locked up for a LONG time, yet this guy has a long VIOLENT rap sheet and he’s still on the street long enough to kill?
ernesto on July 11, 2007 at 11:01 AM
City of Chicago Police: 312-346-6000
Chicago ICE: 312-385-1500.
U.S. attorney: 312-353-5300.
Everyone make a phone call or two and share your thoughts on the Sanctuary City policies of Chicago and Cook County.
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 11:02 AM
But all who want to deport this illegal alleged killer and criminal probably just HATE MEXICANS, right?
(I got that on another thread from a guy named “Enrique“.)
If he were a Russian illegal criminal killer, you here would be all for letting him stay, right?
It all about conservatives being bigots who just don’t like brown people.
(Forget the fact that his alleged victim was black.)
WDET? (What Does Enrique Think?)
profitsbeard on July 11, 2007 at 11:12 AM
(Or, forgot to mention, the alleged killer wasn’t MEXICAN, but that doesn’t stop conservatives from still hating them when issues like this come up, right Enrique?)
profitsbeard on July 11, 2007 at 11:16 AM
10:17 to 10:57
It took 40 Minutes for someone to blame President Bush. Not enough moonbats registered on HA.
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Yep. He’s the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.
RushBaby on July 11, 2007 at 11:19 AM
hopefully now that there is a million foot-high fence spanning the entire border and the conservatives are positioned in such a way that they can win further enforcement first initiatives, kenyans will never get accross the border illegally again.
to join al qaeda cells.
right? i mean, laura ingraham said something about the wot and immigration being integrally related in such a way that her opposition to bush on one has caused her to back off on her support for the other or something. that wasn’t just demagoguery, was it?
jummy on July 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM
There’s a parallel here, and an ugly one.
Fences can’t be built to keep these illegals out, but [Gorelick's) walls, walls manned by a sea of finger-pointing blind bureaucrats, allow these criminal illegals to remain here ad infinitem – unprosecuted by immigration authorities.
Tear down the walls. Build the fences.
fogw on July 11, 2007 at 11:22 AM
I see, so he is responsible for every law breaking person in the US? Lets you off the hook.
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Think he’s yanking your chain. There ain’t much Hispanic lovey dovey between Mexicans and Cubans.
naliaka on July 11, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Disgusting.
How hard is it to set up a new agency to have these turds checked (TCA: Turd Checking Agency)? DHS was set up mighty fast.
Why hasn’t it been set up yet in the last 2 decades? Is there something “racist” or “unconstitutional” about it?
AlexB on July 11, 2007 at 11:26 AM
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:23 AM
He is responsible for law enforcement, not individual law breakers. I look around this country and see laws not being enforced. It was fatal for Schanna Gayden.
RushBaby on July 11, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Let me help you there AlexB:
It is President Bush’s fault.
/sarc off
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Easy, bro. I’m pretty sure Enrique was bringin’ the snark out on you…
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Give it a rest. Local law enforcement is inept. Go back and read the gray area above her picture.
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:34 AM
“I argue that, instead of arresting illegal immigrants who work hard for a living, we should use our limited immigration enforcement resources to target illegal immigrants who commit crimes in this country.”
I argue the same thing too. That means that ALL illegal immigrants need to be arrested and deported because by the very definition that describes them, they have committed a crime against this country. When are people going to wake up and call this issue as it is. Stop worrying about PC and “logistics” and start doing what needs to be done to make this a country that is home to those that play by the rules.
rayvet on July 11, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Jailbones-
It didn’t sound like it, but I’ll take your and nalaika’s word/word.
profitsbeard on July 11, 2007 at 11:37 AM
It doesn’t really matter whose “fault” it is. Though now that you mention it, Bush does have the power, so why doesn’t he do that? It could even be part of DHS’ mandate.
AlexB on July 11, 2007 at 11:43 AM
That’s exactly what I was responding to, soap-box. Now you have attacked me for “blaming Bush” when I opined that the buck stops on his desk. I have responded to you politely when you have continued to single me out as the recipient of your sarcastic, dismissive comments. I am reserving my anger for Mwenda Murithi and flick off the baiting by you. And I stand by my opinion that if the Executive Branch had the will to get in between we, the American citizens, and predators who could have been prevented from killing us simply by enforcing existing laws, then the laws would be enforced and Schanna would be alive today.
RushBaby on July 11, 2007 at 11:46 AM
We suffer from a lack of leadership in our country. I’m very sad at this news, because it could’ve, no – should’ve been prevented.
krabbas on July 11, 2007 at 11:51 AM
God Bless Schanna Gayden and her family.
There’s an area of downtown Los Angeles, which Mara Salvatrucha essentially controls. Unfortunatley I had some business at an office bordering this neighborhood along the Wilshire corridor (a major business thoroughfare).
After parking my car I witnessed an MS gangster walk out onto his apartment’s balcony, with a smile on his face and pull out what looked like a .40 caliber Glock, (maybe a 9mm). He pointed the gun over the balcony edge scanning for someone to point at and shoot. Swinging his arm like a tattooed gun turret, past the guy selling corn and ice cream, past me hiding behind my car and he trained his sights on a man on standing on the corner doing his job.
The man was a US Marshall.
The MS gangster missed him and found his poor aim amusing enough to walk inside his building LAUGHING.
The marshall radioed for help. I left to do my business and returned to find no crime scene. No cops. No tape. Just a city block full of smiling people of questionable immigration status, going on as if nothing happened.
I have had it. I have lost all respect for all public officials who ignore this plague.
God Bless Schanna Gayden and her family.
The Race Card on July 11, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Isn’t that a little ironic, an illegal alien defending his turf.
Esthier on July 11, 2007 at 11:54 AM
RushBaby
I am sorry you think I am attacking you. You attacked first and to place the “blame” is pointless. The problem existed before Bush and will exist after Bush. I did nothing more than come to HIS defense. To blame Bush and do nothing is hypocritical at best. I blame the entire system and will cast my vote to show my disapproval. Too often I have to sit and listen to Bush being blamed for everything under the sun. Seems to me we have a total break down in a system that continues to pass the blame.
Let’s stop the blame game and just admit that until the citizens (who knew about this guy and did nothing) get tired of this, it will continue.
On-my-soap-box on July 11, 2007 at 11:56 AM
When this creap gets out in a few years. ICE will just let him go again. The U.S. is becoming like Latin America in terms of our legal system.
Mojave Mark on July 11, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Our “Criminal Justice System” has become a “Justice For Criminals System”
infidel4life on July 11, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Ah yes, the “Allow Americans To be Preyed Upon & Then Clean Up The Mess” strategy….no thanks.
DwnSouthJukin on July 11, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Repeal the Posse Commiterus Act…
Militarize the Border.
Take the existing Border Patrol agents, and assign them to Internal policing and ICE…
Make it a FEDERAL Felony to NOT enforce immigration law.
Hmmm… Question… you lawyers out there… Can an Equal Protection Lawsuit be brought up against Sanctuary Cities? They are NOT enforcing law… ie… there is NOT an equal enforcment of law between Sanctuary and non Sanctuary Cities?
Romeo13 on July 11, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Even our politicians and liberal minded elected officials are “terrorists”…
NRA4Freedom on July 11, 2007 at 12:36 PM
DEPORT ‘EM?? How stupid an idea is that? And the taxpayer pays for that too! It will take less than a week for them to recross our open borders. WHERE’S THE BEEF (fence)?
mustang1 on July 11, 2007 at 12:45 PM
These stupid government bureaucrats can’t poor p#ss out of a boot. And they pushed an amnesty bill that required government action way way way past their incompetent means. 12 million background checks within 24 hours. The only efficient branch of the government seems to be the IRS. Fire them all!!!!!!!!!
saiga on July 11, 2007 at 1:15 PM
So much for the 3 strikes rule.
This may be too simple (read: stupid) a question but what keeps a family in this situation from bringing Criminal charges against local PD, ICE or Homeland (in)Security for allowing this to happen?
fulhamfc on July 11, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Boycott and contact 7-11!
7-Eleven clerk shot at, and then fired for wearing Border Patrol hat
Story is HERE.
Contact 7-11 HERE.
Gregor on July 11, 2007 at 1:29 PM
You and me both. And, as I listen to the MSM, it seems to be getting worse with the support of the American public behind it. What is wrong with our country? These seem like really straight forward issues to me. Remove the cancer.
saiga on July 11, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Why deport the criminals, rather than punish them? They should be tried and punished, and in fact … there should be a harsher penalty for crimes committed by illegals AND all costs involved should be billed to whatever country the illegal originated from.
These costs should include the arrest, prosecution, and the incarceration, as well as financial awards to the victims of the crime.
Gregor on July 11, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Latest news on Fox. It’s happened again. Missing girl Zina Lenik’s suspected abductor is an illegal since 1990. A convicted sex offender that was never deported. This is just developing now but the smoking gun …the gray van with partial plate as described by the father matches an is being processed.
Schmo on July 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM
I’m surprised that the US AG’s office isn’t racing to put the cops in prison for some bogus civil rights violation.
jeffNWV on July 11, 2007 at 1:45 PM
Americans prey upon Americans also. How the hell are you going to deport 12 million people? And once they’re out, what’s to stop them from coming right back in? It’s a temporary strategy that does nothing to ultimately solve the problem.
The problem won’t ’solve itself’ once you crack down on employers. As long as the situation here is better than where illegals came from (which it always will be), they’ll keep coming.
The problem of illegal immigration is enormous. To just start deporting people doesn’t solve the problem. You need to ensure more aren’t just going to come flowing in.
If congress had the balls they could solve illegal immigration. Build the fence, crack down on employers, deport anyone with one felony or two misdemeanors. Work visas for anyone still here that is obeying the law and wants to make a decent life for themselves. While they’re doing that they can work on becoming a LEGAL immigrant.
BadgerHawk on July 11, 2007 at 1:48 PM
So why don’t I hear our politicians saying that “They’re just doing the jobs Americans won’t do?”
Oh, I forgot. We want them deported because we’re all racists.
I keep forgetting.
thejackal on July 11, 2007 at 1:59 PM
How do these people sleep at night?
maintenanceman on July 11, 2007 at 2:26 PM
Coming to the THEATER OF HELL NEAR YOU! SOON.
This is a frickin HORROR show. A real life horror show in America and the Producers are illegal alien immigrants. The director is Chertoff and the Dems, and sadly we all are paying for this “nightmare on main street.” and little girls and families are paying with their lives. Gone forever is that families dreams for her. Gone forever because of what?
Talk about splitting up families…
Coming to a THEATER OF HELL NEAR YOU! SOON.
watch your local listings (altho the msm probably wont list it)
shooter on July 11, 2007 at 3:04 PM
I was tempted to stop reading after this nonsense…
Who said that was all to be done? I want their employers, land lords, bankers, and anyone else who knowingly ignored their status to be punished also.
Making their situation worse here than in Mexico is kinda the idea.
Allowing then to prey on your countrymen because they’re “hard working” (ie: cheap) isn’t the answer either.
see above
I was with you until the “felony or two misdemeanors” part. Invasion/Colonization isn’t a felony or a misdemeanor….maybe that’s where we should start making changes.
“ILLEGAL ALIEN” = THEY ARENT “OBEYING THE LAW”
Sure, their proven disrespect for the law, the American people & rules of good citizenship already make them prime examples of whart we need more of in this country [sarcasm]
I really wish people like you could put your country before your wallet.
DwnSouthJukin on July 11, 2007 at 4:08 PM
Come on Legislators
The bloody fence FIRST…..
THEN the bleeding heart
Ernest on July 11, 2007 at 4:36 PM
Come on people — the story is obviously fake. Everyone knowns guns are banned in Chicago. No way this could have happened.
Purple Avenger on July 11, 2007 at 4:49 PM
Exactly wrong.
1. Fix the border
2. eliminate the magnet of welfare freebees
3. enforce the employer laws and punish illegal employers
4. Let the exodus begin
5. Create a new, verifiable guest worker program for legal entries.
With no work, no freebees, no sanctuary, they will deport themselves or go hungry. They begin their American experience shrowded in corruption above the law, and remain shrowded in corruption and above the law their entire stay here. Letting them legally stay will institutionalize their culture of corruption by blessing it with perminent status. Only law abiders, not law breakers should be candidates for a work visa. If you are illegal, you forfit your chance for a work visa. Therefore, you better get your butt back home now before you are exposed as a law breaker and loose your chance to be legal.
saiga on July 11, 2007 at 5:23 PM
When I visit a foriegn country, I need to follow their laws or I wind up in jail. There is no reason why people comming here from other countries should expect anything less.
saiga on July 11, 2007 at 5:48 PM
Where does the ACLU stand on this I wonder?
Bearhopi on July 11, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Chicago is a “sanctuary city” so any illegal can do whatever. No one is allowed to check his status. This is sure to come back and bite us someday, but for now it’s what the leaders want. Probably pandering for votes. Ya think?
UnEasyRider on July 11, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I bet he had a North Carolina Driver’s License, issued by Gov. Mike “Tax Hike” Easley. Another very sad story. I wonder what Heraldo Riveria’s comments will be tonight?
Wuptdo on July 11, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Jon Kyle should be made to meet with the family, that pos, sob…
JWS on July 11, 2007 at 6:42 PM
Somewhere convenient for them you can be sure.
Something along the lines of “If guns had been outlawed, this poor misunderstood undocumented worker would not have had one and been able to shoot this person who probably should have been somewhere else at the time”.
Kowboy on July 11, 2007 at 7:28 PM
What the hell is wrong with you? You can’t just make blanket statements about an entire group of people, saying that they prey upon American citizens and hoping to make their lives as miserable as possible. You’re the reason everyone who was against the ammnesty bill gets tagged as racist.
I agree with you up to a point, that employers need to be punished and federal money taken away from sanctuary cities.
But your strategy of ‘Let’s just round em all up’ shows no comprehension of the logistical requirements or the resources available to do so. It’s a rant, not a practical solution.
I think immigration is the second biggest problem facing the country (WoT first obviously). But problems don’t get solved by screaming and putting out unrealistic proposals. You have to look at the issue as what is actually possible to accomplish, not what you would ideally have accomlished. And if you think I’m some pro-ammnesty troll go fish through some of the earlier immigration threads and judge for yourself how much effort I put into killing the bill.
I’m a military guy who makes just under 50k a year. I don’t really benefit that much from having illegals here.
BadgerHawk on July 11, 2007 at 7:38 PM
Jesse? Al? *crickets*
SouthernGent on July 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
This is very sad.
aengus on July 11, 2007 at 8:03 PM
Even a few years ago it was much easier for a LE Officer here to notify ICE about an arrested criminal alien, he just called the local ICE office on the phone and told the person on the other end who and where they were being held. Now there is a huge online form, nearly impossible to fill out with available information that goes not to the local office but Washington DC. The end result is that the required ICE detainers are not being filed prior to the criminal making bond and disappearing.
If I actually assumed that our government meant well in ignoring our immigration laws for those hard working illegals it still wouldn’t explain why they choose to ignore the dangerous criminals among them and allow them to stay here.
Buzzy on July 11, 2007 at 8:24 PM
SouthernGent,
1) Jesse’s on it. Guns to be banned as soon as anyone listens to him again…
2) Al? A White guy didn’t do it. He gots mo bigga fish ta fry…
JWS on July 11, 2007 at 8:24 PM
Best thing about leftist trolls: you’re such bad liars. Go back to DU.
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 11:31 PM
I see that girl’s picture and she reminds me of my 15 year old god-daughter. It breaks my heart. My prayers go out to her and her family. That being said, I’ll be very happy when this thread is off of the front page at HotAir.
Canadian Infidel on July 12, 2007 at 3:10 AM
Best thing about leftist trolls: you’re such bad liars. Go back to DU.
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 11:31 PM
Send them over to the Homosexual Democratic Blog, AMERICABLOG.COM. They’ll fit in there just fine, although BadgerHawk may not be radical enough for them. Ah, the NEW DIRECTION DEMOCRATS.
DfDeportation on July 12, 2007 at 3:52 AM
So this prick was defending his “turf”? It isn’t his turf it’s ours and it’s time we take it back! Now it’s time to put this idiot away for good (on our dime) and I’m sure we can count on President Bush to start deporting the remaining guys like this…still waiting…waiting…
sabbott on July 12, 2007 at 4:51 AM
Daley’s got so much choad of every race, creed and sexual orientation in his gob here…can’t possibly fit anymore in. Then he comes out with his mock anger, tears of frustration welling up, doing the Dem finger wag, preaching…ask him about his son who tried to kill a young man with a baseball bat at a party in New Buffalo Michigan some years ago (walked of course). Combine that with taking care of his crook buddies, it’s sick. Typical Dem.
Tom Tancredo, keep pushing that bill!!!
LtE126 on July 12, 2007 at 6:47 AM
This is out of control. Deport the illegals.
Zorro on July 12, 2007 at 7:07 AM
You know him well. He’s like a sissy-gangster.
Jaibones on July 12, 2007 at 7:33 AM
Rode around in his Father’s limo and had police protection his whole life. Hates the coppers and the firemen.
LtE126 on July 12, 2007 at 7:41 AM
Jaibones on July 11, 2007 at 11:31 PM
DfDeportation on July 12, 2007 at 3:52 AM
I disagree with you about the feasability of trying to deport 12 million people so I’m obviously a ‘homosexual’ liberal who’s views should be tossed aside. With groupthink like that maybe you two belong over at DU.
BadgerHawk on July 12, 2007 at 7:51 AM
BadgerHawk, I looked through the posts and if I missede something, I didn’t see anyone use the word homosexual. So cut the BS. THAT’S why you’re looked at as a troll, troll.
LtE126 on July 12, 2007 at 8:06 AM
DwnSouthJukin:
Allowing then to prey on your countrymen because they’re “hard working” (ie: cheap) isn’t the answer either.
Making their situation worse here than in Mexico is kinda the idea.
What the hell is wrong with you? You can’t just make blanket statements about an entire group of people, saying that they prey upon American citizens and hoping to make their lives as miserable as possible. You’re the reason everyone who was against the ammnesty bill gets tagged as racist
BadgerHawk on July 11, 2007 at 7:38 PM.
Yes, I can make blanket statements about an entire group of people when that group specifically has broken into my country to suck its benefits dry for that actual citizens of that country….you’re the only one who added skin color into it.
You looking for a racists? Look in the mirror.
DwnSouthJukin on July 12, 2007 at 9:45 AM
BH, I said nothing about deporting 12 million people, nor about you being a “homosexual liberal”. I merely said that you are a lying troll, which in my world is a leftist who comes to center-right web sites and pretends to dissent from within the tent. I simply called you a liar.
Fwiw, I don’t know how we would deport 12 million people, either, nor would I want to try. This inclination to project groupthink to everyone here is another hint that maybe you don’t think you belong. DU, my friend. Home.
Jaibones on July 12, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Jaibones-
Up in the comments it was suggested I go hang out at a homosexual democratic blog. My conversation didn’t start with you Jaibones, you just jumped in and called me a troll. I didn’t call anyone a racist either. I said I don’t like broad, sweeping generalizations because they get ME tagged as a racist when I talk to others about this topic. Isn’t that kind of the general concensus, is that none of us like being accused of being racist or anti-immigrant when we talk about this?
I see changing the dialogue as key to actually getting something positive done about illegals in this country, and saying you want to make them as miserable as possible (again not your comment) is never going to do that. I would bet you and I are in pretty close agreement on this, just differ on how to start solving the problem.
BadgerHawk on July 12, 2007 at 2:49 PM
They need to take the punks out and put a bullet in em. It’s time to protect our turf! But I guess the American people are not mad enough…. Yet.
build the wall on July 12, 2007 at 8:38 PM
BadgerHawk,
Agreed. Consider this, which I have said from the beginning of the CIR debate: if the worthless Feds were to:
a) hunt down, arrest, adjudicate, jail, and then deport the 600,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered deported already and/or are criminal aliens,
2) secure the border, and
C) catch up and properly manage the backlogs of criminal background checks, citizenship applications, and expired visas of all sorts,
then this legislation would have passed in about an hour, without dissent. The fact that the Feds are utterly incapable of any of the above is the most compelling argument against the legislation in the first place.
Our only area of disagreement, other than style I suppose, is that you wish to “[get] something positive done about illegals in this country”, and I don’t particularly give a rats pitut about them.
I got a very large cucaracha up my a$$ beginning the instant that 500,000 illegal aliens marched in downtown Chicago, declaring all sorts of grievances and rights, and carrying Mexican flags, and flipping off people with the Stars and Stripes.
But, forgive and forget, right? If you get a gang tattoo, we deport you, or maybe just shoot you. One DUI, we deport you. Get in a fight in a bar, and we deport you. Get in a car accident without legally required liability insurance, we deport you, etc., etc., etc.
Stay clean and employed, pay your taxes, pass the tests in English, tell us you want to be a citizen of the US of A, I’ll be your sponsor. Simple as that.
Jaibones on July 12, 2007 at 11:34 PM
This stuff truly makes me sad.
I ask myself, “…what can I do to make a difference”?
I come up with no answer. The Shi*t’s in Deport and I’m in WY.
Anybody?
spike on July 12, 2007 at 11:54 PM
Tough love to illegal immigrants.
I am so sick of hearing how we can’t deport 12 millionn Illegal immigrants. “busses from Oregon to San Diego” yada, yada, yada.
Turn off the electro mangnet, and the tacks will drop. Shut down:
Rent without proper identification
jobs without proper identification
Free pass to criminal employers that employ them
Sanctuary cities
failure to report illegals that enter hospitals
failure to report illegal students that enter schools
Amnesty for driving violations
Amnesty for document fraud
If we do that, many will leave on their own as they should. Any attempt to reward illegal activity should be stopped right away.
saiga on July 13, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Many Americans, unfortunately, have turned into mental mush. Hard nosed reality is what made the United States great, and remains our only hope. So many members of the public are so spoiled and so soft that they can’t stand up to threats.
I listen to the Amnesty crowd and can’t believe my ears. I too want to live in a Hollywood mansion, but I don’t deserve to because I failed to earn and achieve what it takes to make it happen. So according to the Amnesty crowd, I should be able to go to Hollywood, find someone elses mansion and “walk right in, and set right down”
To me, that is exactly what the illegals do. What they should be doing is fixing their own countries. That will make the world a better place, not flooding our country with a bunch of selfish undeserving cheaters.
saiga on July 13, 2007 at 10:48 AM
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