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posted at 10:40 pm on July 10, 2007 by Allahpundit
“We are going back. A long way back.”
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There are a lot of things we need to go way back on.
boomer on July 10, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Oh great. Let’s tussle with the Protestants. Any other religions seem a little more pressing to draw a line against? No, I know, it’s an old complaint. Still, if this guy doesn’t mind praying in mosques (pretty much) he should lay off the apostates and their churches. Hell, maybe they can all pray in mosques together. They’ll have to eventually.
Alex K on July 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Churches did Latin masses whether they were banned or not. They might only do them once a week or whatever, but they still did them. I think they oughta change the part about the Jews, but other than that, I think that would be nice to see Latin masses come back, not that I’d understand a damn word of it.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 10:51 PM
What do they expect B16 to say? That’s other “Churches” are just fine and dandy? That it doesn’t really matter what “religious community” you belong to? Lots of Protestant churches claim that non-members aren’t “really” Christians, but because they lack the size and power of the Catholics the press largely ignores them.
As for al-Guardian, one would be hard pressed to find a more anti-Catholic major newspaper, at least in the English speaking world.
Thomas the Wraith on July 10, 2007 at 10:51 PM
Hitler Youth becomes pope. Bad idea.
Hening on July 10, 2007 at 10:52 PM
But it’s so much easier to go after a religion whose adherents won’t respond by burning you in effigy and issuing fatwas for your death. Same reason the liberals leave Islam alone and only assail the Christians; cowardice.
sheik_rattle_n_roll on July 10, 2007 at 10:54 PM
The Apologists will emerge.
The Remnants will survive.
RushBaby on July 10, 2007 at 10:56 PM
He still has a darned nice hat, though.
bbz123 on July 10, 2007 at 10:57 PM
The Pope is’nt saying anything new…he’s not worried about being pc to non-Catholics…still it would seem some things are better left unsaid…
DCJeff on July 10, 2007 at 11:00 PM
there, fixed it
urbancenturion on July 10, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Maybe they’re getting some warm up practice by kicking around Protestant squishes before they start taking on bigger threats, or rather, the big threat. I’m not talking in a military sense, but in an ideological and religious one. You gotta remember, the Catholic Church doesn’t think in short amounts of time like Americans, where a year is a long time. They think in centuries.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Gotta love how the MSM manages to mangle another religious statement.
Here’s an actual quote from the document.
I swear, it’s like they’re having a contest in how inflammatory they can turn a bland Catholic theological document.
dscherck on July 10, 2007 at 11:03 PM
Perhaps you missed this:
TheBigOldDog on July 10, 2007 at 11:03 PM
I have a lot of respect for the Catholic church, but I also know enough about its history to suggest that maybe the Pope shouldn’t go throwing stones in glass houses.
Then again, if they had listened to Luther instead of trying to kill him maybe we (Christians) would still all be Catholic.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:05 PM
We have a priest. A high priest in fact. His name is Jesus.
Anybody got a problem with that?
Ali-Bubba on July 10, 2007 at 11:05 PM
Yeah! You’d better convert, you…rebels!
Oh? It was a media snafu, was it?
Brothers! We are all togheter is this quest!
Ropera on July 10, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Benedict didn’t say that Protestants can’t have churches; he merely said, as if it needn’t to be pointed out, that Catholic church doesn’t view them as being actual churches.
Is the reformation just now making news?
tad on July 10, 2007 at 11:08 PM
needed*
tad on July 10, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Just another attempt by the MSM to sow division among the Christians to make it easier for the Islamic takeover.
TheBigOldDog on July 10, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Nope, I didn’t. To my knowledge, he hasn’t criticized Islam again since the worldwide protests and outrage among Muslims because of those comments. I’m assuming he was likely a bit taken aback by the reaction they received and decided to turn his attention from Islam to less potentially violent targets (like the Protestants). If I’m wrong, and he has criticized Islam since then, I’ll gladly retract my previous statement.
sheik_rattle_n_roll on July 10, 2007 at 11:11 PM
Well, since the Christian church is properly defined as the body of Christ and where two or more are gathered in His name He will be there, then I have no idea what the Pope is blathering on about.
It’s long past time the Catholic church gave up their claims to be the “one and only” church and started simply acting like part of the body of Christ.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:13 PM
I wonder if this is gonna become part of a larger trend, with the Catholic Church going back to the Old School in the longterm. Remember, all churches are hemorrhaging support in Europe, and being replaced by wussy secularists/atheists/socialists and also Muslims. Islam and Islamism is spreading and growing rapidly in Europe, and the Vatican is right in the thick of it. Maybe they think that they have to stand for something in order to revive Europe and give it a banner to fight behind.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 11:14 PM
The usual Papist poppycock, coming up on 500 hundred years old and still as stale as ever. So much for a united front.
packsoldier on July 10, 2007 at 11:14 PM
I could make pronouncements about Protestant churches too, and they would carry exactly as much weight as the Pope’s do–considering that neither one of us has any shred of authority there. Stay in your yard, Benny.
ReubenJCogburn on July 10, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Well, it should be noted that the Crusades were a response to Islamic military aggression and conquering.
(Funny how THAT little bit of information gets lost!)
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:16 PM
No need to retract it. Your weak defense of an incorrect statement speaks for itself.
TheBigOldDog on July 10, 2007 at 11:17 PM
I remain, respectfully, rabidly non-denominational protestant. Now, back to being P.O.’d at Islamofascists.
deepdiver on July 10, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Uh, yeah. Because dey Protestant. Forgive my untutored Jewish self, but isn’t what he’s saying sort of like saying, “Jews do not accept the theological tenants of the Christian faith, in the Christian sense, and they lack elements considered essential to the Christian faith.” I’m having a hard time understanding why what he’s saying is not just a re-stating of the obvious, but maybe I’m missing something.
smellthecoffee on July 10, 2007 at 11:18 PM
Going to ONEWORLD church. Read Revelation, Ezekiel and Daniel. Sorry if I offend, but this is what I believe.
mimi1220 on July 10, 2007 at 11:19 PM
Please. This means, at most, that Protestant “communities” won’t be referred to as churches in Catholic church documents. Everyone else will ignore it like a fart in…er, a “community”.
mojo on July 10, 2007 at 11:23 PM
IMHO, what the Pope is missing/confusing is the difference between “Big C” Catholicism (the Roman Catholic Church) and “little c” catholicism (the church universal).
Most Protestant churches certainly DO understand the concept of the church universal (“wherever two or more…”), they simply do not believe that the Roman Catholic church is the sole “provider” of it.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:23 PM
To repeat an oft-used rhetorical question: is the Pope Catholic? He’s just reminding us that he, indeed, is.
Thanks for giving B16′s word their proper context. I ain’t mad at him.
baldilocks on July 10, 2007 at 11:24 PM
I knew Allah would make this one a comment thread. As an atheist, he loves to stir the pot amongst religious folk and sit back and grin and watch the fur fly.
As for the Pope, he did say that non-Catholics can not be saved so that is much different from just saying that Protestants can not be Catholics.
jihadwatcher on July 10, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Ab-so-tively. This has been the MSM’s modus operandi against their perceived enemies for ages.
angryoldfatman on July 10, 2007 at 11:25 PM
I’d think keeping your head attached is reason enough to fight. Isn’t it?
lorien1973 on July 10, 2007 at 11:26 PM
I agree that this is not entirely surprising.
On the other hand, the Catholic church seemed to have been moving toward a more conciliatory stance on “the one true church”, so his statements ARE a bit disheartening.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:26 PM
That’s basically it. They don’t meet the Catholic definition of “church” while the Orthodox do. Statement of the obvious.
Again, this is the MSM aided by atheists in sowing division among Christians by exploiting ignorance and emotions in readers. It makes it easier for the Muslims that way.
TheBigOldDog on July 10, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Is it fishstick Friday yet?
Buzzy on July 10, 2007 at 11:29 PM
I’m sure when Jesus comes back he will be coming to Rome.
(you know he did go to a big ole temple once, I recall, didn’t come out so well for those guys though)
BobH on July 10, 2007 at 11:29 PM
smellthecoffee,
The ADL’s National Director, ol’ Abe Foxman, thinks you should be super-duper offended that Catholics think you, too, should be a Catholic. Shocking!
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/VaticanJewish_96/5093_96.htm
I don’t think the Catholic church needs to return to the whole “Jews killed Christ!” blood libel days–it never made much sense anyway; Jesus himself was a Jew, was he not?–but I don’t think it should come as a shock that Catholics want you to be Catholic, Protestants want you to be Protestant, Jews want you to welcome you into the Chosen club, etc.
tad on July 10, 2007 at 11:30 PM
The whole thing is all about “apostolic succession” which is, to be honest, kind of a weird thing to be picky about (it seems to invest the original 12 disciples with more import than Christ Himself).
Plus, anyway to cut it, just about all Protestant churches can trace their roots back to the Roman Catholic church.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Since when have Protestants listened to us Catholics? They are still Protesting after all these years, aren’t they? Maybe they should let go of the past and suck it up. You walk out into the cold, away from the good ole mother Church, what do you expect? That darn Uppity Martin Luther.
If only the Catholic Church had come up with “Post No Bills” stencils back then, we would all be one big happy family.
chinotex on July 10, 2007 at 11:34 PM
You’d think it, but have the Europeans shown themselves to have any resolve to oppose the Jihadists? I haven’t seen it.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 11:38 PM
Not really. What did you assume being Catholic was? A club? A gang?
tad on July 10, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Funny how the RC church and their heirarchy hold the pope to be infallible – the true and only legitimate heir to the “throne” of Peter (hmm, I always thought Jesus was Lord to Christians and rightful occupier of any “throne” associated with a church). Yet they seem to forget some of the more unsavory characters that have occupied that “throne”, and some of the things that have gone by the wayside that those “infallible” popes have declared to be the “word of God” through the ages – the idea of plenary indulgences and the concept of limbo spring to mind.
And somehow they still seem to think that the rest of Christianity should take them seriously and let them dictate to them how they should believe and worship.
Bah. The RC church needs to clean their own act up before they start trying to dictate terms to the rest of Christianity.
governmentdrone on July 10, 2007 at 11:41 PM
“Pope asserts he is Catholic.” Yawn.
al-Guardian. I hadn’t heard that before. Heh.
Anton on July 10, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Dear God let’s hope the Irish don’t hear about this. Yeah, right. Seriously, I’m not Catholic and I can’t stand the pontification of some Pope’s who think Catholicism is the only true Christian religion. These people – who pray to prophets, the virgin Mary, really, anyone but the person to whom they should be praying (read: idolatry) – bring cause for dizzying eye-rolling.
thedecider on July 10, 2007 at 11:42 PM
Jesus laid his hands on the Apostles. The Apostles laid their hands on the next bishops. They laid their hands on the next bishops. So by the “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” school of theology, Jesus has touched B16.
I subscribe to this theory, by the way, as a practicing Catholic.
chinotex on July 10, 2007 at 11:42 PM
A religious conservative acting like a jackass and irritating people? News at 11.
Fragility on July 10, 2007 at 11:43 PM
Sarkozy.
Spirit of 1776 on July 10, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Allah stirs the pot.
Crimsonfisted learns a lot.
I like it!
CrimsonFisted on July 10, 2007 at 11:45 PM
1) Luther had no intention of starting a new church, he wanted to reform the seriously corrupt Catholic church. In return, the Pope wanted to kill him.
2) Posting comments on the church door was a very common way of having a debate (it was the early ancestor of blogs!) If you really want to “blame” something, blame Guttenberg because it was the printing press that spread Luther’s theses. Or you could blame the corrupt church.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:48 PM
RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS
OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH
Connie on July 10, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Who prays to Mary? I don’t. I ask her to pray for me, just like you ask your neighbors to pray for you or a family member when they are sick. Mary happens to have a lot of pull up there in heaven. It’s good to have her pulling for you. Same with the saints and the prophets. No one ever says “Mary, you are God. Save me.” We say:
“Mary, you are full of Grace, and God is up there with you. You’re blessed, especially compared to the rest of us rabble down here. And that kid of yours? He’s superplus blessed. Since you’re so fantastic, and you did give birth to God, could you ask the big guy to help me out down here? And I’m not talking about just right now, but also right before I die. Lord knows I’m going to need the help, because I’m no saint, that’s for sure.”
chinotex on July 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM
1) Jesus laid His hands on many people and there were many more than 12 disciples. It should also be noted that the New Testament shows several different types of church structures and not all of them are the Catholic variety.
2) How exactly does the succession still “count” when many bishops bought and paid for their position in blood and/or money?
3) And what about that time that there were 3 different popes at the same time?
It seems to me that the Catholic church long ago severed its “apostolic succession” with the original 12.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Connie on July 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Not quite true tad. Jews do not proselytize, and in fact discourage converts. However, they are happy to welcome everyone non-Jewish as Gentiles (btw, it’s more than just a word used to describe non-Jews). It’s an interesting concept that I was unaware of until I began studying the different religions recently.
governmentdrone on July 10, 2007 at 11:53 PM
You clearly misunderstand what praying to Mary and the Saints is about.
You pray to the Saints and Mary because they were once ordinary people like you, who lived their lives acccording to God’s word, and you find strength in their lives as examples of what being faithful is.
Some of the stories of the Saints are extremely fascinating and/or inspiring.
And I’ve heard enough stories of Protestants going apesh*t because a Catholic Bookstore hadn’t clearly marked their store as “Catholic” to know you’re throwing stones in a glass house.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 11:54 PM
It didn’t say that that Protestants are not Christians. It said the they’re not particular “churches.” This is not about being conciliatory, because the point is about describing the validity of the Eucharistic Rite (aka: communion, and who can perform it at a Mass). The MSM is spinning this as something to stir up hatrid against its enemy, the Catholic Church. Don’t be fooled.
Sydney Carton on July 10, 2007 at 11:55 PM
I was raised and schooled Catholic. I considered all teachings and traditions of the Catholic church to be Biblical and therefore ordained by God Himself. After the Ecumenical Council of 1965 I bacame disillusioned by all the changes. Eventually I converted to a form of Christianity that actually read and followed the Bible. I was shocked to find all the Catholic traditions missing from the Book. Given all the horrific developments in the form of pedophile priests over the years I am convinced that the Catholic (Religion ) is a sham. It doesn’t work. They need to sell the art in the Vatican and feed the hungry. I guess the vow of poverty a priest or nun takes means nothing.
sonnyspats1 on July 10, 2007 at 11:56 PM
We’ll see. He is French.
Bad Candy on July 10, 2007 at 11:56 PM
ok, ok fine… I’m not perfect, you’re not perfect, we tell each other we’re not perfect. I say I’m right, you say you’re right. Just as long as we don’t punch each other’s lights out, I think we’re both in the clear for the time being. Let me buy you a kolache and we can call it even, how ’bout that?
chinotex on July 10, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Why the middlemen chinotex? After all, didn’t Jesus tell everyone to pray directly to God?
He did in every version of the Bible I’ve read.
governmentdrone on July 10, 2007 at 11:57 PM
I am quite aware of what the Pope said and, as I said earlier, it comes down to the Catholic claim of “apostolic succession”, which, IMHO, the Catholic church severed itself many centuries ago.
Religious_Zealot on July 10, 2007 at 11:58 PM
As someone who identifies as a “culturally Catholic” agnostic rather than as a Catholic (and a fairly bad cultural Catholic at that, as I never even made it to confirmation), it’s really no skin off my behind if the Pope wants to condemn me, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, midgets or anyone else to hell; I don’t really care.
I just find it amazing that people are genuinely shocked that the leader of religion is saying, “Yup. Our religion is the one. Join up or no dice.”
What did you expect him to say?
“Well, yes, I am the infallible leader of the Catholic church, which we believe to be the only truth path to salvation, and our religion is nice and everything, but have you heard about the Methodists? They’re pretty great. I’d join them if I were you.”
tad on July 10, 2007 at 11:58 PM
Ever wonder, if Protestants are so secure in the knowledge that they’re completely practicing the faith as Jesus intended, why they Bear False Witness about the beliefs of the Catholic Church? Last time I checked, lying is a sin.
Sydney Carton on July 11, 2007 at 12:00 AM
No Bad Candy, I don’t misunderstand anything. We don’t pray to people living or dead. Jesus explained very clearly how we are supposed to pray and it isn’t to another human being. It is to God, the Father, in the name of Jesus. Thank you very much. I don’t need to ask a dead human being anything. My God shall supply all my need according to His riches in glory. Mary didn’t do anything for me.
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:00 AM
I have a lot of love and respect for the Catholic church. I think it gets much more right than it does wrong.
But it’s several centuries past the time for the Catholic church to be still claiming to be the “one true church.”
If you accept Jesus the Christ as your Lord and savior than THAT makes you part of the “one true church” no matter what denomination you belong to.
Religious_Zealot on July 11, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Yeah, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Infallibility may be answer, but it may also be question – on the infallibility of the Catholic church – Column
Connie on July 11, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Not all priests take a vow of poverty, it isn’t required. Some specialized orders require it, others don’t, some regular priests choose to take it.
Sisters and Nuns ALL take vows of poverty. If they have anything, its because its been given to them, they have very strict value quotas they have to follow, though there are variances to what that value is in different orders.
Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Fresh from Drudge……
-Martin Luther news conference at 11 am on CNN-
Limerick on July 11, 2007 at 12:05 AM
That’s certainly an odd statement. It seems that you accept the idea of “Apostolic Succession,” but think that somehow the Church screwed up and lost it. If you understood the doctrine of Apostolic Succession, you’d know that it’s not something that the Catholic Church can sever itself from. If you don’t accept the idea of Apostolic Succession at all, why bother saying the Church was severed from it? Are you trying to argue with the Catholic Church about its own doctrine, or do you just reject it entirely? And if you reject it entirely, well, so what? You’re a Protestant, so you have to Protest.
Sydney Carton on July 11, 2007 at 12:06 AM
governmentdrone,
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that rarely if ever do religious communities, and by extension their followers, attempt to dissuade one from joining up.
If you think you’ve got the best thing going since slice bread, it would seem illogical to turn people away.
tad on July 11, 2007 at 12:06 AM
I’m sure there are plenty of women who are reading that have had children and can tell you Mary did plenty for you, so show some gratitude! :P
Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 12:07 AM
It’s pretty clear that Jack Chick’s tracts have gotten to some of you. Man, reading this board it’s tough to be Catholic these days. And Muslims think they have it bad.
tlynch001 on July 11, 2007 at 12:07 AM
I think you missed the point. The only person I pray to IS God. But, just like you ask your neighbors to pray for you, we ask Mary and the Saints to pray for us. As Bad Candy says above, the Saints were all ordinary people who had the strength to follow God. They are good people to have praying for you.
This is just one man’s opinion, keep in mind. On another point re: middlemen, I like Confession because it makes you truly confront your sins. To say it to another person. It’s a bit like AA. You have to recognize you have a problem before you can fix it.
chinotex on July 11, 2007 at 12:08 AM
OK. So you’ve referred me to a column in which “the Church”, some years and even centuries after the fact, establishes some handy guidelines to excuse the fallibility of previously “infallible” popes. I’m sorry, but the more I find out about the RC church, the more convinced I am that there are certain aspects of the faith that are simply made up on the fly in an effort to fit however the current heirarchy of the church feels.
governmentdrone on July 11, 2007 at 12:08 AM
I’ll be very clear, so you can understand: Lying is a sin. Saying that Catholics worship Mary is a lie. Don’t do it again.
Sydney Carton on July 11, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Clergy Sexual Misconduct – Just a Catholic Problem?”
“In the 1980s, [Protestant Pastor XXXXX] had abused perhaps one hundred boys in several southern states, but few of us ever learned of it. [Protestant Pastor XXXXXX] had the distinction of being a Pentecostal minister and was, therefore, not within the “frame” of those who were busy constructing reality. The same is true of the three brothers, all Baptist ministers, who were charged with child molestation in the 1990s: the public learned little about this highly unusual series of cases because it was not deemed worthy of dissemination by those fixated on Catholic scandals….
Notwithstanding the difficulties that such data comparisons hold, the available information on clergy sexual misconduct shows that the problem is bigger among Protestant clergy. For example, the most cited survey of sexual problems among the Protestant clergy shows that 10 percent have been involved in sexual misconduct and “about two or three percent” are “pedophiles.” With regard to the “pedophile” problem, the figure for the Catholic clergy, drawn from the most authoritative studies, ranges between .2 percent to 1.7 percent. Yet we hear precious little about these comparative statistics.”
Connie on July 11, 2007 at 12:09 AM
Yep, ther’s still a whole lot of stupid out there when it comes to people thinking they understand the Catholic Church. I don’t know how many posts ago we have gone over things but some still don’t listen.
First, this is a document that answers some questions that have come up over the years since the 60′s where you had people thinking that you can have all kinds of strange things and call them Catholic. There is nothing new here.
Sonnyspats1 – get off the pedophile priest thing. If you actually look at the studies there are more pedophile PROTESTANT ministers than Catholic Priests and even more in the ranks of teachers in public schools. The largest organization that does charitable work in the world is the Catholic Church. The only sham I see around here is your understanding of the Catholic Church.
I am starting to see that AP uses the religion posts as his own private troll and we just feed it. I am ashamed
DrM2B on July 11, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Between this, insulting Powers this morning, and the playground taunt in the Vitter thread, I’d say you’re safely over the troll line. Farewell, Fragility. And keep smiling!
Allahpundit on July 11, 2007 at 12:11 AM
tad, by way of disclaimer, I am a Christian – raised in the Disciples of Christ church.
That being said, Judiasm really is the only religion I’ve come across that not only doesn’t openly try to convert, but do in fact discourage conversion.
But I do agree in principle with what you are saying. And IMO, you have said it well.
governmentdrone on July 11, 2007 at 12:12 AM
You need to read up on ‘Infallibility’. Once you learn what it really means you might not hate so much.
What’s up with that ‘Pope Rat’ thing from urbancenturion? Why’s it gotta be like that?
tlynch001 on July 11, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Eh, get used to it, we’re always gonna be in the crosshairs.
Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Damn Allah. You sure know how to start an argument.
Heh
Guardian on July 11, 2007 at 12:14 AM
No, I don’t accept the idea of (or even necessarily the NEED for) “Apostolic Succession.”
I’m just using the Catholic definition to show how seriously flawed it is to put so much stock in such a thing.
I DO understand it and as the Catholic church defines it they, surprise!! surprise!!, can never sever itself from it.
However, I would quibble with that idea since many bishops (centuries ago) bought and paid for their position with money and/or blood.
See, I have problem with this “succession” thing if you can buy it or kill for it, ESPECIALLY since that’s not exactly how Christ taught.
I think I have answered your repeated questions, but I’ll sum up:
there may be a physical connection, but there surely isn’t a spiritual connection and since churches are in the business of the spirit and not the flesh (physical), then the Catholic church has no real claim on “apostolic succession.”
(Let it be noted that I am not calling the Catholic church apostate, just that there is no real import in the false claim of “apostolic succession.”)
Religious_Zealot on July 11, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Mary is not my God. Mary is not my Savior. Mary was a person. I will not pray to Mary. How truly blasphemous can one get?
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:14 AM
I’m sorry too. You should read Ratzinger prior to his becoming Pope. His push is to reunite Christians and one reason for that is his understanding of the Islamist threat.
Connie on July 11, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Catholics pray to Mary. Is that not a form of worship? It’s a serious question on my part.
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:15 AM
Bad Candy, look at any prayer you’ve ever said. You never pray directly to the Saints or Mary. We ask them to pray for us.
chinotex on July 11, 2007 at 12:16 AM
Bless you Allah! And also, dull surprise. I think we all knew it was a matter of time.
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:17 AM
chino, I understand the concept you are trying to express and I certainly respect your beliefs, just as I have always asked people to respect mine.
I guess I’ve always been very comfortable praying by myself to my God. And my own personal experiences have proven it to be a highly effective method.
governmentdrone on July 11, 2007 at 12:18 AM
I never said I was a good Catholic!
Bad Candy on July 11, 2007 at 12:20 AM
We haven’t had a religious post in awhile, have we? For a month or two there, I was rolling them out damned near every day.
I really don’t want to have to police a Catholic/Protestant flame war. Please play nice.
Allahpundit on July 11, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Ugh! Why pray to the “saints” at all? Jesus told you how (and to whom) to pray in Matthew 6:9. Please read it.
thedecider on July 11, 2007 at 12:21 AM
Allah, find some way to work amnesty and Fred! into this post and you’ll have 3000 comments, guaranteed.
fiatboomer on July 11, 2007 at 12:22 AM
How true. I think allah was getting tired of Mormons and Christians going at it in the Romney threads so he through out this bit of raw meat to the minions gathered.
I was born, baptized, and confirmed Catholic, but I didn’t get saved until I was 18 at a protestant church. Real Christians don’t need to be re-united. We are united in Christ. There’s only one heaven and all of Christ’s true followers will be there regardless of denomination. Jesus said that He would make his church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it.
Mojave Mark on July 11, 2007 at 12:23 AM
Connie, can you refer me to some source material, because it seems that pope Benedict (ex. cardinal Ratzinger) means to “re-unite” Christians by insuring that we all accept and join the RC church.
However, I am open to correction if you can refer me to source material that specifically says otherwise.
governmentdrone on July 11, 2007 at 12:23 AM
That’s right, folks, Judaism has survived for thousands of years solely by getting it on with their bad selves!WHOOP!
No, seriously. It’s true. Why do you think Jewish mothers are so insistent about who their sons marry?
chinotex on July 11, 2007 at 12:23 AM
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