Something big is up in Lebanon

posted at 7:04 pm on July 9, 2007 by Allahpundit

I saw this MEMRI report a few days ago but shrugged it off — until Totten’s mini-bombshell today. Has Syria re-invaded Lebanon?

If Israel sent the IDF three kilometers into Lebanon and started digging trenches and building bunkers it would make news all over the world. But Syria does it and everyone shrugs. Hardly anyone even knows it happened at all.

Syria can, apparently, get away with just about anything. I could hardly blame Assad at this point if he believes, after such an astonishing non-response, that he can reconquer Beirut. So far he can kill and terrorize and invade and destroy with impunity, at least up to a point. What is that point? Has anyone in the U.S., Israel, the Arab League, the European Union, or the United Nations even considered the question?

It’s longish, but take five minutes to read the MEMRI piece as it’s important background for the possibly impending war(s). Three events are coalescing here, all of them alarming for Assad and Syria: a new UN report on the tribunal to investigate the murder of former Lebanese PM Rafiq Hariri, which Syria was almost certainly responsible for; another UN report from Ban Ki-Moon himself about the implementation in southern Lebanon of Resolution 1701, which calls for Hezbollah’s disarmament and has been flouted repeatedly and egregiously since the war last summer with Israel; and, per the Counterterrorism Blog, the election of a new Lebanese president in September, with Syrian stooge Emile Lahoud being challenged by someone from the anti-Syrian faction. Walid Phares expects Hezbollah, with Assad’s help, to attempt a coup by refusing to recognize the new president and setting up a shadow government of its own. From MEMRI:

On June 25, 2007, Al-Akhbar reported that the opposition had already discussed plans to form a second government and to take over the government ministries, in the event that the Al-Siniora government continued to adhere to its current positions. The paper added that the opposition had even begun to name the individuals who will form the second government.

A senior member of the Lebanese opposition told Al-Akhbar that he believed that if the second government is established, the Lebanese army will adopt a neutral stance. He estimated that the regions that would be loyal to the second government would be larger than the ones remaining loyal to Al-Siniora’s government. He further said that people from the South, from the Beqa’ valley, and from a large part of the Mount Lebanon region, as well as in the North, would refuse to recognize Al-Siniora’s government. He added that UNIFIL would find itself facing a new reality when it discovered that Al-Siniora’s government was no longer able to support its activities or ensure its security.

Hence the presence of Syrian troops in Lebanon as guarantors of the new government. Another recent Lebanese news report (again per the MEMRI piece) claims that Syria has called on its citizens to leave the country; anti-Syrian Lebanese leader Walid Jumblatt says he’s hearing the opposite, that Assad’s actually sending people in ostensibly as “tourists” even though the months-long standoff with Hezbollah and fighting with jihadis in the Palestinian refugee camp in Tripoli has made the country an unlikely tourist destination.

Remember what Petraeus said the other day about a mini-Tet? It may not be just Iraqi jihadis who are looking to capitalize right now on the U.S.’s (and by extension, the west’s) immobilization in Iraq. Exit question one: If Assad tries a coup backed by military, what will the west do? Anything at all? Exit question two: If Syria pulls it off, can Israel afford not to act?

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I was looking at Totten piece earlier today myself. This is an ill wind…

Spirit of 1776 on July 9, 2007 at 7:07 PM

Add in the Golan Heights buildup…

And Iran pressing in Iraq…

And Jihadists gains in Pakistan…

with the coming shoot out this month in the US Congress…

And the coming Bush impeachment debats…

Chinese curse time… living in interesting times…

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:10 PM

Why Olmert is still in power in Israel I have no idea, but they should have taken care of the problem last year. It didn’t magically go away. Israelis all have guns. Maybe they should take matters into their own hands.

PRCalDude on July 9, 2007 at 7:14 PM

Send in Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi.

Talk will do ya good.

Kini on July 9, 2007 at 7:17 PM

PRCalDude on July 9, 2007 at 7:14 PM

That has been an interesting thing to watch. I had not been real attentive to the electoral details of either Israel, France, Britain, or Australia until WOT, so I don’t know the nuances of it, but it is non-the-less amazing that he operates still with so low approval a full year after it fell to a point that makes Bush look like a rockstar.

Spirit of 1776 on July 9, 2007 at 7:17 PM

This year Survivor goes to China!
Dancing with the Stars returns with all new celebrity contestants!
Grey’s Anatomy has its first full season without Isiah Washington!
And Nicole Richie is pregnant!

Syria who?

a4g on July 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM

Send in Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi.

Send them into that refugee camp in Beirut. Then lock the gates from the outside.

smellthecoffee on July 9, 2007 at 7:23 PM

The U.S. should use the occasion and do what it should have done a long time ago. Will it? Not if Colin Powell Condi Rice and Nancy Pelosi can help it. The Reaper is dead.

Entelechy on July 9, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Send in Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi.

Talk will do ya good.

Kini on July 9, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Which one will don a scarf, first?

SouthernGent on July 9, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Syria is feeling its oats, looking for a fight. Syria has threatened to hit Tel Aviv with hundreds of missiles.

Thomas the Wraith on July 9, 2007 at 7:29 PM

Here’s another possibility. A crisis on top of what already is going on inside Lebanon erupts, and next thing you know, Syria gets invited in to fix things. Anschluss revisited. Heck, for all we know, they’ve already been invited in by the Aounists or Hizbullah, which could explain why the Lebanese government hasn’t exactly rung the alarm bells over the invasion.

lawhawk on July 9, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Is there anything going on in Lebanon that any of us ‘HotAirians’ ;-) did not predict, quite precisely, months and months ago?

LegendHasIt on July 9, 2007 at 7:36 PM

It’s game time. The bad guys smell blood thanks to their allies, the democrap traitors. The good guys need to decide what’s more important, polls or democracy. The solution requires a major leap of Faith.

Zorro on July 9, 2007 at 7:37 PM

My spider sense is tingling like an 8.0 earthquake right now. If I was running things in Israel I would be putting the IDF on double secret alert right about now.

KC-135A on July 9, 2007 at 7:42 PM

LegendHasIt on July 9, 2007 at 7:36 PM

repeat months and months…….pretty good for bigots and degenerates. HuffPo told us we are!

Israel, you need something just ask. Letters, e-mails, phone calls….or just a glass of lemonade. Be glad to help.

Limerick on July 9, 2007 at 7:43 PM

lawhawk on July 9, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Yeah, and remember that clip, Memri also I think, probably here at HotAir – with the Syrian backed TV station talking about the progressive assassinations of Lebanese government officials?

Spirit of 1776 on July 9, 2007 at 7:43 PM

This sounds like another job for The Green Helmet!

But then again, why provide faked coverage of a story when you can just ignore it altogether?

Dave Shay on July 9, 2007 at 7:43 PM

My spider sense is tingling like an 8.0 earthquake right now. If I was running things in Israel I would be putting the IDF on double secret alert right about now.

KC-135A on July 9, 2007 at 7:42 PM

The sweat pumps should be in battle override, as they say in the Navy. But like every other liberal democracy, Israel is committing suicide in dramatic fashion.

PRCalDude on July 9, 2007 at 7:44 PM

Game it…

Iran needs time to continue bomb making…

Our Congress tries to pull funding for Iraq…

Hez in Lebanon goes nuts, Syria supports them…

Syria moves on the Golan Heights at the same time… sending rockets into Israel.

If we move to support Israel, Iran blusters, and ups the ante in Iraq… Quds force crosses the border, disguised as Al Q in Iraq.

Hamas goes nuts, shelling Israel…

American government in such disarray due to internal politics, that it is paralyzed.

The Israeli govenment is paralyzed due to a lack of strong leadership.

Iraq disintegrates, Hez takes Lebanon, Syria takes Golan Heights.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Is Assad pulling em out or in?? Probably both, issuing warning to the real innocent citizens in Lebanon to get out while back seeding them with those of the Radical stripe and of course the SOF type.

C-Low on July 9, 2007 at 7:46 PM

Syria takes Golan Heights.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:45 PM

Not a chance.

Limerick on July 9, 2007 at 7:47 PM

From a purely academic viewpoint, it will be interesting to see how gangster Israel is willing to go, without pulling out the really big guns.

Jaibones on July 9, 2007 at 7:48 PM

My guess is that Syria is going to attempt to provoke an Israeli attack in order to draw Israeli forces into an attrition pit. I also believe that was Hezbollah’s intention last year. Not enough credit is given to Israel for not acting as Hezbollah/Syria/Iran planned. By demolishing the Shiite economic infrastructure and much of Hezbollah’s infrastructure with air strikes rather than sending in a huge ground force to get chewed up from a thousand little rat holes, Israel probably made the best out of the situation in the long run. The in/out ground operations along the border kept Hezbollah off balance and prevented them from putting up any kind of coordinated defense. And in the end Israel got a more robust UN and Lebanese army presence out of it and the border has been relatively quiet since.

While Hezbollah might pretend they got a “victory” only because Israel wasn’t occupying Southern Lebanon, that claim is hollow and the Shiite situation in Southern Lebanon has been set back considerably compared to the rest of the Lebanese economy. The Shiites were knocked a few more rungs down the economic ladder and they have nobody to blame for it but themselves.

crosspatch on July 9, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Not a chance.

Limerick on July 9, 2007 at 7:47 PM

Never said it would work, but I believe that our enemies are planning somthing along these lines.

Get enough things going on… hit from multiple angles…

They believe we will fold because us infidels have no intestinal fortitude… and if the US does not support Israel, they will fold as well because Olmert is showing weakness.

but they really should listen to Adm. Yamamoto on that one.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:57 PM

crosspatch on July 9, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Except that the UN report which will come out this week will talk about how Hez has been able to rearm across a porous Syrian border…

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:57 PM

Sorry Romeo13…..I misunderstood your post. Wouldn’t be the first time I placed foot in mouth ;)

One thing about Israel is that those katusha rockets are bothersome, but 152mm falling will make up the IDFs mind real quick. I fully expect Israel to pull a 67 on Assad before that happens though.

Limerick on July 9, 2007 at 8:02 PM

It’s gotta be tough to live in Israel.

BadgerHawk on July 9, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:58 PM

Yeah, even so much so that the IDF was surprised at the electronic jamming capacities that Hezbollah has now. I also think your 7.57 is right on too: multiple angles – Syria, Hez, rockets from Gaza perhaps…

Spirit of 1776 on July 9, 2007 at 8:29 PM

It’s time to harden the fark up, mates.

Alden Pyle on July 9, 2007 at 8:43 PM

This year Survivor goes to China!
Dancing with the Stars returns with all new celebrity contestants!
Grey’s Anatomy has its first full season without Isiah Washington!
And Nicole Richie is pregnant!

Syria who?

a4g on July 9, 2007 at 7:22 PM

unfortunately many if not most Americans are moe concerned about what you mention rather than this potential crisis.

Yakko77 on July 9, 2007 at 8:44 PM

I’ve been telling my kids for years that someday the middle-east will burn with millions dying and gas will be $15 a gallon here at home. That someday is very near.

Griz on July 9, 2007 at 8:46 PM

unfortunately many if not most Americans are moe concerned about what you mention rather than this potential crisis.

Yakko77 on July 9, 2007 at 8:44 PM

For all we know, they may be Larry & Curly concerned.

Alden Pyle on July 9, 2007 at 8:47 PM

Game it…

Iran needs time to continue bomb making…

Our Congress tries to pull funding for Iraq…

Hez in Lebanon goes nuts, Syria supports them…

Syria moves on the Golan Heights at the same time… sending rockets into Israel.

If we move to support Israel, Iran blusters, and ups the ante in Iraq… Quds force crosses the border, disguised as Al Q in Iraq.

Hamas goes nuts, shelling Israel…

American government in such disarray due to internal politics, that it is paralyzed.

The Israeli govenment is paralyzed due to a lack of strong leadership.

Iraq disintegrates, Hez takes Lebanon, Syria takes Golan Heights.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 7:45 PM

That’d be about a 1,200 mile stretch of Iranian influenced/controlled territory from east to west… Probably not in our best interests. (Let alone Israel’s)

You guys might know better than I? How do you think the rest of the region would react to that scenario, specifically Saudi Arabia?

krabbas on July 9, 2007 at 8:49 PM

Exit question one: If Assad tries a coup backed by military, what will the west do? Anything at all?

Nothing except talk, with maybe a debate about discussing a UN resolution to do an environmental-impact study.

Exit question two: If Syria pulls it off, can Israel afford not to act?

Israel can’t afford not to act, but I expect they won’t do more than push a few miles into Lebanon to create a buffer zone. Which, of course, will be ‘provocative’ and lead to a guaranteed UN statement that Israel is the aggressor. With the obligatory condemnation by the usual suspects in the obsolete media.

Liam on July 9, 2007 at 8:50 PM

Only Nancy is qualified to deal with this…

JWS on July 9, 2007 at 8:50 PM

If Assad tries a coup backed by military, what will the west do?

Well, there will be meetings, resolutions, carefully worded condemnations and other UN non-solutions.

Damn it, we need to increase our military real fast. We need to get tough with our so called allies, and even tougher with our enemies and stop pretending we can work with Putin.

This all boils down to Iran, I’m sure everything is carefully coordinated between Damascus and Tehran. To make things worse, Russia and China keep sticking it to the west by siding with Iran.

This really is about East vs West.

The way the Muslims have infiltrated Europe is very troubling.

reaganaut on July 9, 2007 at 9:04 PM

I think you all are missing one thing, usually I see it by now, but I think the seriousness of the situation has clouded some of your thinking.

This is a US conspiracy. Dick Cheney is getting Syria to attack Lebanon to get everyone focus off of Iraq. But Cheney is really setting up to counter attack Syria, which the dupe Assad does not realize. US is doing it to open new oil channels to the Mediterranean Sea, because the pipe lines in Afghanistan are now being bought by Russia and China.

See, it all goes back to oil, Haliburton and Cheney.

WoosterOh on July 9, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Seriously, I cant see anyone being able to stop it. Seems like the perfect plan. Maybe an 86 of Assad could stop it.

WoosterOh on July 9, 2007 at 9:09 PM

Liam on July 9, 2007 at 8:50 PM

Agree with first, but not second.

Exit question one: If Assad tries a coup backed by military, what will the west do? Anything at all?

Condi will go over there to talk.

Exit question two: If Syria pulls it off, can Israel afford not to act?

They will not act (barring other events) because there already is an established buffer zone: the area Hebollah manages.

Spirit of 1776 on July 9, 2007 at 9:14 PM

One of my biggest disappointments with the last three U.S. Presidents is that they’ve been so boring.

Kralizec on July 9, 2007 at 9:15 PM

You guys might know better than I? How do you think the rest of the region would react to that scenario, specifically Saudi Arabia?

krabbas on July 9, 2007 at 8:49 PM

saudi and Egypt are the wildcards in this whole thing… but…

IF Iran can convince them they will leave the Sunnis alone in Iraq, Saudi may sit this out. Remember that Saudi is where most of the 9/11 guys came from. They have had Wahabi indoctrination for over a generation, and their secret police are run by a Prince who is a Wahabiist.

Turkey is also massing on the Iraqi border to go after the Kurds… and Iran may very well cut a deal with them as well, just to muddy the waters…

I look for someone to start somthing, and then others to pull the trigger thinking that we’ll be too busy to respond effectivly…

Little do they know… F-22s are up… Carriers are ready… we could see the first multi-front modern airwar.

Only thing that will stop us is if we run out of bombs.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 9:32 PM

IF There,s a spark to light this powderkeg,
it will start with LEBANON,and shockwave to IRAN.

canopfor on July 9, 2007 at 9:42 PM

Hold on…its gonna be a wild ride…..

I do suspect we have the right intel in place this time around…..just me talking though….

johnnyU on July 9, 2007 at 9:49 PM

This says alot:

Enterprise departs for deployment to Mideast

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/07/navy_enterpriseleaves_070707/

By my count that places 4 carriers in the middle east in the next couple of weeks. add into the UN peace keeping force, the naval group off of the lebenon shore of the british and franch forces. and it looks like an end game is coming for the middle east.

The surge looks like more like an attempt to secure our six before the start of hostilities with Iran and Syria. the most damage Iran and Syria can do when the balloon goes up is in Iraq and Isreal.

There are many things moving out in the night. Hopefully the White House is up to the task.

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:00 PM

more from the above story:

Rear Adm. Dan Holloway, commander of Carrier Strike Group 12, told reporters on the pier before Enterprise departed that the strike group’s purpose will be to provide options for national leadership while conducting maritime security operations. The carrier John C. Stennis and the amphibious assault ship BonHomme Richard are now in the Persian Gulf, and the carrier Nimitz is in the Indian Ocean, according to the Navy.

Although it seems like Enterprise just returned from deployment, “Enterprise was the right ship for this time,” Holloway said.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/07/navy_enterpriseleaves_070707/

Notice the story does not say that the Enterprise is going to REPLACE any other group. It is going to give the USA OPTIONS in the area. What kind of OPTIONS does 4 carrier battle groups give the USA?

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:04 PM

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 9:32 PM

Agreed but you forget Iran’s secret weapon, the Democrats in Congress.

Buzzy on July 9, 2007 at 10:05 PM

Only thing that will stop us is if we run out of bombs.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 9:32 PM

Your forgetting about the Democrats. ask yourself this. why have the democrats picked this time to start the “conversation” about Iraq again?

They know the same intel that the White house is getting. Why would they pick this time to start an attack on the president’s Iraq policy?

Is Polesi helping her pals in Syria by tring to hamstring the President before hostlites start?

Are the dems really trying to cut off Isreal at the knees before the war?

What are they thinking and what are their motives? From my seat their actions look very unAmerica let’s say almost traitorous.

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:10 PM

Nicole Ritchie is not pregnant, she just swallowed an olive.

quax1 on July 9, 2007 at 10:15 PM

If this ‘brew’ keeps boiling over there, and chance are good it will, I’m very curious how Hillary will reconcile the cooks on the left with the need to support Israel. It should be a simple tango for Fred or any righte and an Argentine tango for her. I can’t wait to watch her or any leftie nominee on this one. It will be even more hilarious in the general.

Entelechy on July 9, 2007 at 10:16 PM

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:10 PM

Also – why are the Dems so quick to condemn any future possible action against Iran? All Bush has ever said was that all options are on the table.

What is wrong with them? Even if we never planned on attacking Iran, we would certainly want them to think that could be a consequence.

Wake up America.

reaganaut on July 9, 2007 at 10:21 PM

But according to B-H, which we will be following, if you believe some stories, we should be negotiating with Syria. Won’t that help? Oh, wait, forgot who I was for a minute.
Yeah, time for a “fact-finding trip”. Departure Date 7-13/14 return…open ended ticket maybe?

PowWow on July 9, 2007 at 10:23 PM

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:10 PM

I aggree that the Dems in Congress are part of the mix… but more as dups than as accomplices.

I really believe the Dems think they are doing the right thing, they just don’t know enough to make rational decisions. Its emotion based politics, vice rational self interest.

Bin Ladin, in his writings, actualy wrote abou this. The Islamists will use the Liberal Left to slow down the response… BUT… one thing he didn’t read into our history which is there… when the Libs get burned, they loose it… they get emotional the OTHER way. It doesn’t last but during that period America gets downright nasty for awhile. Ever see a Woman’s libber loose it? or a Gay guy? or now, PETA or the ELF??? They get downright unreasonable… and the irrational backlash is horrific.

Tell me… wasn’t it a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT (FDR) who interred the Japanese here in America? Who bombed Hiroshima?

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 10:25 PM

It’s time to harden the fark up, mates.

Alden Pyle on July 9, 2007 at 8:43 PM

Unfortunatly, our govt. has been castrated.

Tell me… wasn’t it a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT (FDR) who interred the Japanese here in America? Who bombed Hiroshima?

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Ya, well that was when this nation had resolve. WWI had not really been long before. Even then we did try to stay out of it but, that great generation knew what had to be done. You see back then people actually loved their country.

boomer on July 9, 2007 at 10:29 PM

Shrug.

It’s between the brothers, Kate.

km on July 9, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Is there something in Revelation regarding the Dems getting elected signaling the end of days?

Hening on July 9, 2007 at 10:37 PM

boomer on July 9, 2007 at 10:29 PM

I actualy read it a bit differently.

There is a large portion of America, or any democracy for that matter, who make decisions based on Emotion, self interest, and whats “popular”.

Right now its the environmental movment… Lots of power, lots of money, and totaly short sited.

Thing is, if you actualy SCARE those people, they get downright unreasonable.

Do you know that there was mass panic on the West Coast of the US after Pearl? No way they could invade us, but we had panic anyway.

Key was that the emotional folks got scared, and demanded that the rational folks do what they wanted to do in the first place…. luckily we got it done before the emotional reaction had really worn off (although it was very close, we were almost bankrupt, and an antiwar peace movement was starting).

IMO if we had been hit within a year of 9/11 we wouldn’t be in this spot with Congress… in fact the Dems would be screaming that we do MORE to protect them.

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 10:37 PM

Exit question two: If Syria pulls it off, can Israel afford not to act?

So what do we do when the desert turns to glass? Where glass skates?

lsutiger on July 9, 2007 at 10:59 PM

Romeo13 on July 9, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Yes the dems always over compensate. But this IMO goes beyond simply being dupes. At the exact time that all our enemies are moving into forward offensive positions the dems decide to launch a frontal attack on the White house? The timing is just too suspect. It is almost has if they are working together. Maybe some of the anti-war groups pushing the dems are really wolves in sheep clothing.

It would not be a surprise. The USSr used antiwar groups to push their war aims. Would not the jihadists do the same?

I know it’s not PC but shouldn’t the White House start some invesigations of its own on the congress?

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 11:03 PM

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 11:03 PM

and Yes i know “question the timing ” has become a catch phrase of the left but in these events any reasonable person has to admit that the timing is very suspect.

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 11:06 PM

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 11:06 PM

I wouldn’t question the timing too much. The Dems laid off the pres for a month or so because he was on the same side as them on amnesty. Now that it’s defeated, they can go back to attacking him daily and undermining him in anyway they can.

krabbas on July 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM

It’s definitely not going to be “Syria bombards Israel and basically destroys Israel” opinions that have come up here. Y’all heard about the legendary (yet unconfirmed and nuclear) “Samson Option” – Israel’s version of you try to take us out, we’re taking you with us. However, Syria doesn’t have the b*lls to take Israel on, no matter what Assad says, ’cause he knows the IAF will take out Damascus. Regardless of what a moron Olmert is, the Israelis aren’t about to be forced to destroy themselves. Look at how often they change leadership – they won’t go quietly.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Syria tries to take over Lebanon and promptly massacres the remaining Christian population. Assad’s been eyeing that up for years.

Oh, and there is absolutely NO way in heck that the Israelis will give up the Golan – no matter how often it’s brought up in the media as a precursor to peace. Those are some big hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee and Syria used to shell Kibbutzes from them. That’s what would happen if the Israelis gave the Golan up again. No matter how often the gov’t in Israel claims to “consider it,” they never really will. Oh, and there’s still Land Mines up there from before 1967.

mjk on July 10, 2007 at 12:14 AM

krabbas on July 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM

More likely the Dems made a deal with Bush, you give us our immigration amnesty bill and we will give you time in Iraq. Bush failed to deliver the immigration amnesty and now the Dem’s are getting revenge.

doriangrey on July 10, 2007 at 12:15 AM

mjk on July 10, 2007 at 12:14 AM

No matter how often the gov’t in Israel claims to “consider it,” they never really will.

Oh they are considering it. They just consider it to be a suicidal act, but they are considering it.

doriangrey on July 10, 2007 at 12:18 AM

krabbas on July 9, 2007 at 11:59 PM

I’m not sure. This is too neat. What possible advantage do the dems see in a USA defeat in the Middle East. Yes I can see an advantage for them in a Bush defeat but this has gone beyond the borders of Iraq. The Dems are now playing with the whole Middle East. The meetings with Syria and the Muslim brotherhood by top Dems and their insistent push to hand us a defeat in Iraq are signs of an agreement made. Do they think they can work with the jihadists?

There is some serious geopoltics going on, with it appears the Dems siding with our present enemies.

unseen on July 10, 2007 at 12:35 AM

There is some serious geopoltics going on, with it appears the Dems siding with our present enemies. unseen on July 10, 2007 at 12:35 AM

That’s ’cause the Dhems are our present enemies.

Mojave Mark on July 10, 2007 at 12:42 AM

Mojave Mark on July 10, 2007 at 12:42 AM

The more I see and read the more I tend to agree with you. While all Dems are not enemies, it appears that the Dem leadership is openly siding with our enemies. the rest appear to be following “orders” of these “leaders”

I say its time the White House investigate some of these peoples connection with regrads to national security.

Turn the FBI, NSA and CIA loose on these people and see what bugs scatter.

unseen on July 10, 2007 at 1:09 AM

It’s time to harden the fark up, mates.

Alden Pyle on July 9, 2007 at 8:43 PM

LOL…I watched that video for the first time today…hilarious!

Liberty or Death on July 10, 2007 at 1:59 AM

The surge looks like more like an attempt to secure our six before the start of hostilities with Iran and Syria. the most damage Iran and Syria can do when the balloon goes up is in Iraq and Isreal.

There are many things moving out in the night. Hopefully the White House is up to the task.

unseen on July 9, 2007 at 10:00 PM

Bingo, give unseen a prize Allah P, perhaps an iPhone with an extra battery? A friend of mine (a former Marine) told me several years ago before we went into Iraq (he served in the first Gulf war) that going after Saddam and his WMD’s was only a small part of the overall strategy, rather, Iraq is to be our FOB to get to Iran and Syria. So it would seem the 4 carrier groups (which in of itself is a whole lotta whoop ass) is there to cover our six (as unseen mentioned) as well as to give us a whole lot of other options!

Iran and Syria are attempting to thin out our military resources, this is why Iran is so involved in the insurgency in Iraq and the Hezzbolah incursion and scrap with Isreal last Summer was to probe the Isreali response.

Also, the Iranian mullahs may be insane, but they’re not stupid, they’ve known all along that our invasion of Iraq wasn’t soley to remove Saddam and his WMD’s, it was mainly to provide an FOB for later operations against them and Syria! This is precisely why it makes sense that Syria (with Iran) are going to start some S**T within Lebanon to further distract and thin our our military, but as someone else pointed out, they obviously don’t know their history becaue if they did they would heed Yamamotos telling and cryptic words, so I’ll go ahead and update Yamamotos words with a more current analogy that the mullahs should heed, “F**K with the best and you die like the rest!”

So hold on everyone, things are about to get crazy on “Mr. Jihad’s Wild Ride!!”

Liberty or Death on July 10, 2007 at 2:21 AM

It’s really pretty simple. With America on the ropes, everyone in the middle east gets a free shot to grind their axes as it were. Look at the Turkish situation in northern Iraq right now. And those guys are supposed to be allies. I look for all players in the middle east to make moves that they see are in their best interests right now. Who is going to stop them. And America will get the blame for destablizing the region.

It’s going to be a wild ride over the next few years. And I am afraid it will be spun to benefit the democrats.

conservnut on July 10, 2007 at 7:34 AM

unseen on July 10, 2007 at 12:35 AM

You might give the dems too much credit. Although, the consequences of their actions are helping to secure defeat for the US in the middle east, I don’t think their motivation is to have the country lose. I think their problem is that they somehow think that they can seperate the country from the president. I think they have a narrow tunnel vision that focuses on George Bush. Anything to cut him down is a victory, regardless of the consequences to national security.

We both agree on the consequences, which is a no brainer. It’s their motivation that’s the difference. I think you question their patriotism a little bit more than I do… Their actions are disgusting either way.

krabbas on July 10, 2007 at 8:17 AM

Liberty or Death on July 10, 2007 at 2:21 AM

Iran has got to feel a little pinched. With Afghanistan on their east and Iraq on their west, we really have two FOBs to launch from if we took action against them.

The idealistic notion of democracy building was good in theory. Having two happy and prosperous democratic nations on either side of Iran could have inspired their moderates and liberals to rise up. In theory, it was a sound idea. In practice… well, we see how that’s going.

krabbas on July 10, 2007 at 8:22 AM

Something big is up in Lebanon

Oh sorry, I just got a little excited.

Ortzinator on July 10, 2007 at 10:59 AM

krabbas on July 10, 2007 at 8:17 AM

Close, but I think its also a bit more than that.

The Left learned the wrong lesson from Viet Nam.

They engineered a defeat, and used that defeat to attain power here. They don’t see the consequences of the Viet Nam defeat… all they see is us loosing, and still winning the Cold War, with them getting more power.

They have internalized the idea that we can loose with no real consequence to America… after all, they being anti war and such, there are FEW on the left with kids in the military now. They don’t see that the best way to NOT get attacked, is to be feared.

Bin Laden wrote, based on Gen. Giap’s writing, how to defeat America… and the Dems are playing by his script… not intentionally, but by their very outlook they become predictable.

Romeo13 on July 10, 2007 at 11:49 AM

It can’t be a bunker, they must be building that road to peace from Damascus Star Trek alien Pelosi was talking about.

clghitis on July 10, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Hmmmm… just struck me…

Does the US have intelligence on the plans of our enemies?

Is the Surge really there for Iraq?

Or is it also an excuse to get more combat troops in Theatre?

Romeo13 on July 10, 2007 at 3:16 PM

The islamo facists chase the Joos around like Wiley Coyote chasing the Roadrunner. Let’s hope the results are the same.

Alden Pyle on July 10, 2007 at 5:03 PM