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All other issues aside, are you telling us that you hate him so much you’d vote for Hitlery if he was the nominee?

Freelancer on July 12, 2007 at 3:18 PM

fred? is a liar. He is also a fake. I believe he is a coward for many reasons, but the first one is his policy of abdication of the responsibility of the CinC, in respect to the Iraq war, to the troops. I extrapolate that to his so called tactic of not running. I do not believe it is because he is being smart. I think he is scared.

So, it really isn’t my desire, it’s my experience with people and politicians over the years, that leads me to my conclusions about fred?.

That again is a showing of fear, cowardice if you may, because he is too afraid to put it out there and take his chances. I know you supporters think this is clever and running a smart non-campaign, but I believe you are seeing his actions in whatever way fits your desire for him to be, instead of seeing him for what he is.

csdeven on July 10, 2007 at 9:07 AM

That potential analysis works both ways. He actually told interviewers he would do it this way if he did it at all, way back when it first came up. You don’t like his tactics, fine. You disagree with his tactics, fine. You claiming they aren’t tactics, they’re cowardice, that’s a narrow analysis, much narrower and subjective than those who admit that he told the world he’d operate asymmetrically, and is doing just that.

The bottom line is always the bottom line, and his bottom line right now is strong. Your displeasure with that becoming manifested through attributing to him every sort of evil known to humanity is, well, just sad. He’s doing this his way, not yours, and as far as I can see it’s not failing, so no, he doesn’t stink. If his tactics fail, they fail. That happens from time to time among humans, especially in a contest with many participants but only one victor.

In your own words, you are seeing his actions only in how it fits with your desires, not with reality.

So why should it matter to you that I do?
Tennman on July 11, 2007 at 11:52 PM

Did I say something that suggested that? If so, I apologize. My issue is with freds? lying. I don’t really care what his politics are until he holds core conservative values like I do. He needs to stop lying. He needs to announce an exact date that he will announce.

ut, until then…

“liar fred?”, YOU STINK!

csdeven on July 11, 2007 at 11:17 PM

He may have said it at another time. If so, I stand corrected. But it doesn’t matter to me, and I support him. So why should it matter to you that I do?

If you have read the same story you linked a while ago about he and his staff admitting the red pickup story that I did (gads, that was a long tuneup) what I read was hearsay, not a direct quote.

The truck exists. And I suppose you hate it that it was a variation on the Truman Whistlestop campaign that worked for old give ‘em hell Harry too. IOW, take your message directly to the people, whether you have to rent the train or not. Like Fred says, I’m sure it will all work out. It got the dems within 20 points of him last time too.

Tennman on July 11, 2007 at 9:02 PM

Try “libertarian republican fred? thompson” in a google search. (If you care to find out the truth about what fred? SAID). You can make all the BS excuses you want, fred? was pro-choice in 1994 and I have the link and have seen the actual form that proves it. I also have a direct quote from him saying the exact.same.thing.

The red pickup he leased from a relative to fake out the voters in Tennessee and then he bought it. (he and his ataff admitted this)

I still waiting for someone to check the senate vote record to see how many abortion votes “liar fred?” missed. The ones he actually voted on were not very earth shattering and I don’t think there were very many anyway.

fred? is a goner and it’s all over except for the groupies crying. I remember the deadheads who hid in their houses for two weeks after Garcia died. I expect the same result from the groupies the day “liar fred?” announces he will not be running for president.

I hope you fred?heads can get your money back.

Fred has a red pickup truck. It’s rusting and under cover in his mother’s yard a few miles from where I live. It was his dad’s. So just because you or someone said it was leased doesn’t make it so.

Why wouldn’t he do something as classless as act out a scene from a movie in a business meeting?
csdeven on July 11, 2007 at 9:52 AM

Only in your world view, my friend. I try to weigh these things in a more likely than not attitude with regard to human nature, business dealings and proper etiquette at meetings.

So, to me, it’s a nonissue. A slam without merit.

As far as the checked box you keep harping on, Lord save us if we ever have to fill out an IRS form or questionnaire for a psychological leadership profile in any venue. I can look at those things ten times and answer them ten ways depending on the questions that surround them and what question I think I’m trying to answer.

So, no nuance. Just the fact. The BOX was checked. That’s a far cry from saying it. And it’s a far cry from proving some basic core tenet of faith or basic core tenet of long-held principle.

I just can’t make the leap of faith that you seem to by taking isolated and unrelated facts and jumping to a conclusoin that may be correct, but not true. Ever see the movie Absence of Malice where Paul Newman character says to Sally Field’s character that her facts are accurate but her conclusion is not true? That’s the conundrum that I believe you are operating under. Broaden your perspective and try to see the truth and not just the accuracy of unrelated snippets of fact. The truth is, he had a 100 percent pro life voting record. The truth is, he (or someone) checked a box that said there should be no restrictions placed on abortions in the first trimester. (again, pardon my paraphrase; I haven’t see the exact language.)

Walked the walk, talked the talk, but checked the wrong box. Lions and tigers and bears. Oh my!
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Tennman on July 11, 2007 at 8:48 AM

Why? fred? leased himself a red pickup, donned blue jeans, a flannel shirt, and changed his name to “Old fred?” to get elected. Why wouldn’t he do something as classless as act out a scene from a movie in a business meeting?

Besides, I’ve had groupies tell me that fred? didn’t fill out the form from vote smart, but that his staff did. I point out that he signed it. Then they say he just signed it because he was told to by staff. I point out that as an attorney, fred? is pretty lame if he signs ANYTHING without reading it first.

So, here we are again, nuancing freds? positions to fit the perception people want him to be, instead of what he is.

Fred acts out a scene from the Western, THAT HE JUST FINISHED SHOOTING. That is a far more probable explaination of the evidence than any other that I have seen.
tommylotto on July 10, 2007 at 4:53 PM

The more improbable part of your assumption is that a lawyer being “recruited/hired/whatever” would act out a scene from a western in a business luncheon.

It’s a nonissue. The whole thing stinks to high heaven of partisan politics at the lowest, muddiest level.

And they said yellow journalism was dead…

“From what I’ve heard people are not biting on the story. They consider the source as well as the modus operandi, someone steps forward who is pro-life and is appealing to conservatives and he is attacked for being pro-abortion in an effort to drive a wedge between him and the base. The story looks suspect, but even if there is truth in it, his Senate record is solid on the life issue. I don’t think this is going anywhere.”

But that means nothing to some folks.