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	<title>Comments on: NYT editorial: Pull out now</title>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; House votes for withdrawal from Iraq by April 1, 223-201</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-552459</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; House votes for withdrawal from Iraq by April 1, 223-201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to Rasmussen, Americans expect sectarian violence to increase in the event of withdrawal, 45-34. Strangely, they also expect the lives of Iraqis to improve. Via Ace, Jake Tapper of ABC News tried to get a straight answer out of Harry Reid today about what he thinks will happen to the country if and when U.S. troops withdraw. He failed, although in Reid&#8217;s defense, at least he ducked the question instead of offering a plan that so obviously won&#8217;t work that it insults its reader&#8217;s intelligence. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to Rasmussen, Americans expect sectarian violence to increase in the event of withdrawal, 45-34. Strangely, they also expect the lives of Iraqis to improve. Via Ace, Jake Tapper of ABC News tried to get a straight answer out of Harry Reid today about what he thinks will happen to the country if and when U.S. troops withdraw. He failed, although in Reid&#8217;s defense, at least he ducked the question instead of offering a plan that so obviously won&#8217;t work that it insults its reader&#8217;s intelligence. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mcguyver</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-545266</link>
		<dc:creator>Mcguyver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Five years of “international pressure” plus two rounds of sanctions plus endless threats of a bombing campaign by Bush and Cheney hasn’t convinced them to stop enriching uranium. It won’t convince them to stay out of Iraq, either. The Times knows that, of course, but they’re ashamed to say what they really want — an immediate pullout regardless of the consequences to Iraq or Iraqis — &lt;em&gt;so they feel obliged &lt;strong&gt;to offer some sort of pro forma, dead-on-arrival “solution” to cover their tracks&lt;/strong&gt;.  Pathetic.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 &lt;strong&gt;EXACTLY!&lt;/strong&gt;.  You are dead on correct AP. They &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; pathetic.  
They know that they are not the trip wire vote for pull out which would cause the price of oil to top $100.00 for a very long time, ie: economic disaster.  
 So the moment a pull out could look imminent they would do just that, cover their a** with a &quot;brilliant&quot; insight.

 What they are really doing of course is trying to make the Bush Admin look stupid, while they come out looking &quot;brilliant&quot;.

 Note to the Times management: this doesn&#039;t make you &quot;shine&quot; like a hero.  This is why you are losing subscribers, &lt;strong&gt;you &lt;em&gt;idiots&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Five years of “international pressure” plus two rounds of sanctions plus endless threats of a bombing campaign by Bush and Cheney hasn’t convinced them to stop enriching uranium. It won’t convince them to stay out of Iraq, either. The Times knows that, of course, but they’re ashamed to say what they really want — an immediate pullout regardless of the consequences to Iraq or Iraqis — <em>so they feel obliged <strong>to offer some sort of pro forma, dead-on-arrival “solution” to cover their tracks</strong>.  Pathetic.</em></p></blockquote>
<p> <strong>EXACTLY!</strong>.  You are dead on correct AP. They <em>are</em> pathetic.<br />
They know that they are not the trip wire vote for pull out which would cause the price of oil to top $100.00 for a very long time, ie: economic disaster.<br />
 So the moment a pull out could look imminent they would do just that, cover their a** with a &#8220;brilliant&#8221; insight.</p>
<p> What they are really doing of course is trying to make the Bush Admin look stupid, while they come out looking &#8220;brilliant&#8221;.</p>
<p> Note to the Times management: this doesn&#8217;t make you &#8220;shine&#8221; like a hero.  This is why you are losing subscribers, <strong>you <em>idiots</em></strong>!</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video: Michelle and Bill catch New York Times fee-vah!</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-544739</link>
		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Video: Michelle and Bill catch New York Times fee-vah!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In which my favorite leftist does her tired softshoe routine about the distinction between the tiny nutroots minority of Bush-hating terror denialists whom no one listens to &#8212; Krugman, Herbert, Rich, Dowd, pretty much the entire op-ed page except for David Brooks and whoever&#8217;s filling the Hamas slot that day &#8212; and the supposed silent majority of Democrats who hope against hope for victory notwithstanding those yummy Senate seats they stand to gain from defeat and the Teachable Moment about American hubris that a little genocide will provide. Which group does Times management belong to? Surely the latter, says KP, not explaining why then their withdrawal plan is more precipitous than even Harry Reid is comfortable with or why, in another terror vein, they went and outed the SWIFT program to embarrass Bush even though it was legal and effective and, by their own public editor&#8217;s admission, the wrong thing to do. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In which my favorite leftist does her tired softshoe routine about the distinction between the tiny nutroots minority of Bush-hating terror denialists whom no one listens to &#8212; Krugman, Herbert, Rich, Dowd, pretty much the entire op-ed page except for David Brooks and whoever&#8217;s filling the Hamas slot that day &#8212; and the supposed silent majority of Democrats who hope against hope for victory notwithstanding those yummy Senate seats they stand to gain from defeat and the Teachable Moment about American hubris that a little genocide will provide. Which group does Times management belong to? Surely the latter, says KP, not explaining why then their withdrawal plan is more precipitous than even Harry Reid is comfortable with or why, in another terror vein, they went and outed the SWIFT program to embarrass Bush even though it was legal and effective and, by their own public editor&#8217;s admission, the wrong thing to do. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Until Islamic Shiites and Islamic Sunnis all learn to get along and build a nation together or until Hell freezes over, which ever comes first?&lt;/i&gt;

Yep. One or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Until Islamic Shiites and Islamic Sunnis all learn to get along and build a nation together or until Hell freezes over, which ever comes first?</i></p>
<p>Yep. One or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: MSimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Some of us are old enough to remember when The New York Times was actually a serious newspaper.&lt;/i&gt;

says Rusty Bill on July 8, 2007 at 1:49 AM

You mean like when Walter Duranty was writing for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Some of us are old enough to remember when The New York Times was actually a serious newspaper.</i></p>
<p>says Rusty Bill on July 8, 2007 at 1:49 AM</p>
<p>You mean like when Walter Duranty was writing for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; War support crumbles as top Iraqis plead: Pullout means likely civil war</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air &#187; Blog Archive &#187; War support crumbles as top Iraqis plead: Pullout means likely civil war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Relax. If things get hairy, we&#8217;ve always got that New York Times &#8220;international pressure&#8221; plan to fall back on.  &#8220;This could produce a civil war, partition of the country and a regional war. We might see the country collapse,&#8221; Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari, a Kurd, told a news conference when asked about the New York Times report&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Relax. If things get hairy, we&#8217;ve always got that New York Times &#8220;international pressure&#8221; plan to fall back on.  &#8220;This could produce a civil war, partition of the country and a regional war. We might see the country collapse,&#8221; Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari, a Kurd, told a news conference when asked about the New York Times report&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Democracy Project</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-542121</link>
		<dc:creator>Democracy Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NYTs Ombudsman Interrupts My Summer Vacation...&lt;/strong&gt;

 I interrupt my summer vacation (wife &amp; boys in Europe for a month, while I relax/zone-out at San Diego beaches) to bring you this unsurprising newsflash: The New York Times ombudsman is another bad joke. Clark Hoyt, of distinguished......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NYTs Ombudsman Interrupts My Summer Vacation&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> I interrupt my summer vacation (wife &amp; boys in Europe for a month, while I relax/zone-out at San Diego beaches) to bring you this unsurprising newsflash: The New York Times ombudsman is another bad joke. Clark Hoyt, of distinguished&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Classical Values</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-542060</link>
		<dc:creator>Classical Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Surrender now? Do I have to take that seriously?...&lt;/strong&gt;

In last week&#039;s video announcement, Ayman al Zawahiri confirmed what many have long suspected -- that a primary goal of al Qaeda is to establish an Islamic caliphate in Iraq:In the unusually long video -- at just over an hour......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Surrender now? Do I have to take that seriously?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In last week&#8217;s video announcement, Ayman al Zawahiri confirmed what many have long suspected &#8212; that a primary goal of al Qaeda is to establish an Islamic caliphate in Iraq:In the unusually long video &#8212; at just over an hour&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Foxtrot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Foxtrot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Big Shift...&lt;/strong&gt;

One day, One edition of the New York Times, Two different worlds.....

There is a big shift on concerning Iraq, but depending on which NYT article you read, it may not be the one you were thinking of....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Big Shift&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>One day, One edition of the New York Times, Two different worlds&#8230;..</p>
<p>There is a big shift on concerning Iraq, but depending on which NYT article you read, it may not be the one you were thinking of&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kesher Talk</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-541268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kesher Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fixers on the Front Lines...&lt;/strong&gt;

Last week I attended a panel discussion (video below) on the accomplishments and plight of &quot;fixers.&quot; These are natives of war-torn areas who help Western journalists by - in the words of one participant on the panel - finding hotel......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fixers on the Front Lines&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Last week I attended a panel discussion (video below) on the accomplishments and plight of &#8220;fixers.&#8221; These are natives of war-torn areas who help Western journalists by &#8211; in the words of one participant on the panel &#8211; finding hotel&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Burton</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-541083</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 06:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t mind the NYT, they just had finished watching &lt;em&gt;Knocked Up&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t mind the NYT, they just had finished watching <em>Knocked Up</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kesher Talk</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-540812</link>
		<dc:creator>Kesher Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The blood of patriots...&lt;/strong&gt;

Lots of discussion today about the NYTimes editorial which blithely suggests mass slaughter of Iraqis as preferable to methodical targeting of insurgents and jihadis, with little loss of American life - over the next few months. Well, this is the......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The blood of patriots&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Lots of discussion today about the NYTimes editorial which blithely suggests mass slaughter of Iraqis as preferable to methodical targeting of insurgents and jihadis, with little loss of American life &#8211; over the next few months. Well, this is the&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PowWow</title>
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		<dc:creator>PowWow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MB4 on July 8, 2007 at 6:42 PM


&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;ll ask when I write back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MB4 on July 8, 2007 at 6:42 PM</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ll ask when I write back</p>
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		<title>By: peacenprosperity</title>
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		<dc:creator>peacenprosperity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disheartening story about the outposts in Baghdad not working. What I have not understood is why our troops fight the militias yet we don’t target the leaders. Why aren’t we firing missiles from gunships into their homes and offices like the Isrealis? Kill the leaders and as soon as a new one steps forward you kill him also. If Maliki doesn’t like it tell him he’s going to be walking point on patrol through Sunni neighborhoods until he changes his tune. This is a fight to the death and we seem to not want to kill anyone. 

I am not denigrating our armed forces but it&#039;s a farce saying we have an offensive underway. There is no end to the supply of brainwashed islamic death-eaters they can throw at us. We will never be able to kill them all. We have to start targeting the leaders and doing it in a brutal and very obvious fashion. Sadr needs to die an ugly death and anyone who raises his hand to be the leader next needs to die within 24 hours of his identifiing himself. Keep working hard at rebuilding the country and anyone who gets in the way goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disheartening story about the outposts in Baghdad not working. What I have not understood is why our troops fight the militias yet we don’t target the leaders. Why aren’t we firing missiles from gunships into their homes and offices like the Isrealis? Kill the leaders and as soon as a new one steps forward you kill him also. If Maliki doesn’t like it tell him he’s going to be walking point on patrol through Sunni neighborhoods until he changes his tune. This is a fight to the death and we seem to not want to kill anyone. </p>
<p>I am not denigrating our armed forces but it&#8217;s a farce saying we have an offensive underway. There is no end to the supply of brainwashed islamic death-eaters they can throw at us. We will never be able to kill them all. We have to start targeting the leaders and doing it in a brutal and very obvious fashion. Sadr needs to die an ugly death and anyone who raises his hand to be the leader next needs to die within 24 hours of his identifiing himself. Keep working hard at rebuilding the country and anyone who gets in the way goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Powell: al-Qaeda Is Only 10% Of The Problem In Iraq</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/07/08/nyt-editorial-pull-out-now/comment-page-1/#comment-540174</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Powell: al-Qaeda Is Only 10% Of The Problem In Iraq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See also (H/T in part to MemeOrandum): Middle Earth Journal (our fellow GTL co-blogger, Ron Beasley&#8217;s personal blog); Talk Left; The Newshoggers; Hot Air (Far Right POV); Ace of Spades HQ (Another Far Right POV) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See also (H/T in part to MemeOrandum): Middle Earth Journal (our fellow GTL co-blogger, Ron Beasley&#8217;s personal blog); Talk Left; The Newshoggers; Hot Air (Far Right POV); Ace of Spades HQ (Another Far Right POV) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Powell: al-Qaeda Is Only 10% Of The Problem In Iraq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Powell: al-Qaeda Is Only 10% Of The Problem In Iraq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See also (H/T in part to MemeOrandum): Middle Earth Journal (our fellow GTL co-blogger, Ron Beasley&#8217;s personal blog); Talk Left; The Newshoggers; Hot Air (Far Right POV); Ace of Spades HQ (Another Far Right POV) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] See also (H/T in part to MemeOrandum): Middle Earth Journal (our fellow GTL co-blogger, Ron Beasley&#8217;s personal blog); Talk Left; The Newshoggers; Hot Air (Far Right POV); Ace of Spades HQ (Another Far Right POV) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;PowWow - &quot;We leave victors, or not at all. Supporting the troops means supporting the war&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

For how long?

5 more years? 10 more years? 25 more years?

Until there are troops serving how many Iraqi tours?

Four tours? Six tours? Eight tours? Ten tours? Twelve tours?

Until there are how many dead American troops?

5,000? 10,000? 25,000?

Until Islamic Shiites and Islamic Sunnis all learn to get along and build a nation together or until Hell freezes over, which ever comes first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>PowWow &#8211; &#8220;We leave victors, or not at all. Supporting the troops means supporting the war&#8221;</i></p>
<p>For how long?</p>
<p>5 more years? 10 more years? 25 more years?</p>
<p>Until there are troops serving how many Iraqi tours?</p>
<p>Four tours? Six tours? Eight tours? Ten tours? Twelve tours?</p>
<p>Until there are how many dead American troops?</p>
<p>5,000? 10,000? 25,000?</p>
<p>Until Islamic Shiites and Islamic Sunnis all learn to get along and build a nation together or until Hell freezes over, which ever comes first?</p>
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		<title>By: drunyan8315</title>
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		<dc:creator>drunyan8315</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT is not a newspaper, it is a political tool being weilded by a wealthy crypto-communist family to elect Democrats who will more reliably follow their political agenda.

But they are getting scared that their overseas team, the headchoppers, are losing.

I ask, is there no reporter at the NYT who has the basic decency to publicly resign over this and expose their agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT is not a newspaper, it is a political tool being weilded by a wealthy crypto-communist family to elect Democrats who will more reliably follow their political agenda.</p>
<p>But they are getting scared that their overseas team, the headchoppers, are losing.</p>
<p>I ask, is there no reporter at the NYT who has the basic decency to publicly resign over this and expose their agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: New York Times: Pull Out of Iraq Now &#187; The American Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>New York Times: Pull Out of Iraq Now &#187; The American Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PowWow</title>
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		<dc:creator>PowWow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to be long, I apologize in advance.But I think it needs to be put here.
Part of a letter from a soldier stationed in Iraq
  
   &quot;These letters we got are important to us. Soldiers sometimes feel that we are alone in this. that we are in the fight of our lives and nobody supports us. We know not many Americans seem to support this war. We have a lot invested in it now. We&#039;ve spent hundreds of hours putting our lives on the line for the Iraqi people, and have seen their communities flourish for it (at least I have). We have given them more freedom, security and and basic social services than they&#039;ve ever had in their own country. We&#039;ve also fought terrorist and Anti-American resources on this soil as opposed to American soil. We&#039;ve all paid a price, lost comrades, friends. And we owe it to them to make sure they didn&#039;t die for nothing. No matter where you stand on this war, please know, for us defeat is not an option. We cannot leave here like we left Vietnam. We leave victors, or not at all. Supporting the troops means supporting the war, and giving us the tools we need to win.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to be long, I apologize in advance.But I think it needs to be put here.<br />
Part of a letter from a soldier stationed in Iraq</p>
<p>   &#8220;These letters we got are important to us. Soldiers sometimes feel that we are alone in this. that we are in the fight of our lives and nobody supports us. We know not many Americans seem to support this war. We have a lot invested in it now. We&#8217;ve spent hundreds of hours putting our lives on the line for the Iraqi people, and have seen their communities flourish for it (at least I have). We have given them more freedom, security and and basic social services than they&#8217;ve ever had in their own country. We&#8217;ve also fought terrorist and Anti-American resources on this soil as opposed to American soil. We&#8217;ve all paid a price, lost comrades, friends. And we owe it to them to make sure they didn&#8217;t die for nothing. No matter where you stand on this war, please know, for us defeat is not an option. We cannot leave here like we left Vietnam. We leave victors, or not at all. Supporting the troops means supporting the war, and giving us the tools we need to win.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Oxford Medievalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Oxford Medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New York Times&#039; Shocking Defeatism: Part III...&lt;/strong&gt;

Timed perfectly to coincide with the upcoming push in the Senate by Democratic Presidential wannabees for immediate withdrawal and, as Allahpundit observes, to give Russert something to pant over [this] morning.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New York Times&#8217; Shocking Defeatism: Part III&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Timed perfectly to coincide with the upcoming push in the Senate by Democratic Presidential wannabees for immediate withdrawal and, as Allahpundit observes, to give Russert something to pant over [this] morning.<br />
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		<title>By: Ace of Spades HQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace of Spades HQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The NYT Waxes Poetic About Post-Withdrawal Genocide In Iraq...&lt;/strong&gt;

Jules Crittendon notes an incomprehensible editorial by the New York Times. The NYT says that an American withdrawal could make Iraq &quot;bloodier&quot; and &quot;more chaotic&quot; and invite &quot;power grabs&quot; by Iran. And yet, despite this statement that a withdrawal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The NYT Waxes Poetic About Post-Withdrawal Genocide In Iraq&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Jules Crittendon notes an incomprehensible editorial by the New York Times. The NYT says that an American withdrawal could make Iraq &#8220;bloodier&#8221; and &#8220;more chaotic&#8221; and invite &#8220;power grabs&#8221; by Iran. And yet, despite this statement that a withdrawal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>georgej, doriangrey 

There is no such thing as treason, or being held accountable for it anyway, in America anymore. 

Not since Jane Fonda sat on that North Vietnamese gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>georgej, doriangrey </p>
<p>There is no such thing as treason, or being held accountable for it anyway, in America anymore. </p>
<p>Not since Jane Fonda sat on that North Vietnamese gun.</p>
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		<title>By: doriangrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>doriangrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>georgej on July 8, 2007 at 6:50 AM

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sulzberger’s paper illegally published national security secrets, twice. Why isn’t he and his editor Kellor sitting on death row awaiting execution for treason?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That my friend is a damn good question to which there is currently no good answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>georgej on July 8, 2007 at 6:50 AM</p>
<blockquote><p>Sulzberger’s paper illegally published national security secrets, twice. Why isn’t he and his editor Kellor sitting on death row awaiting execution for treason?</p></blockquote>
<p>That my friend is a damn good question to which there is currently no good answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WoosterOh

I don&#039;t think you get it. Are you reading what is happening in Iraq?

&quot;The Iraqi government is unlikely to meet any of the political and security goals or timelines President Bush set for it in January when he announced a major shift in U.S. policy, according to senior administration officials closely involved in the matter. As they prepare an interim report due next week, officials are marshaling alternative evidence of progress to persuade Congress to continue supporting the war.&quot;

&quot;July 8, 2007 - A flurry of bombings in Baghdad killed 26 people Sunday, and officials said the death toll from a giant suicide truck blast that devastated the market of a Shiite farming town north of the capital a day earlier could reach 150.

Officials earlier had said Saturday&#039;s bombing in the town of Armili killed 115 people, one of the deadliest attacks in Iraq in months. The blast suggested Sunni insurgents are moving further north to strike in less protected regions beyond the U.S. security crackdown in Baghdad and on the capital&#039;s northern doorstep.&quot;

&quot;Sunday, July 8, 2007 - U.S. soldiers in night-vision goggles piled out of a Chinook helicopter under a wide, orange moon. They crawled through mud along canals south of Baghdad, then stormed a chicken farm that the U.S. military believed doubled as a car bomb factory.

But something was missing: Iraqi partners.

The Iraqi army has yet to deploy a single soldier on this 380-square-mile swath, where the U.S. military is waging an offensive to dislodge al-Qaida fighters from marshlands along the Tigris River.

In Tuesday’s predawn raid, the lack of Iraqi backup meant a frustrating outcome for U.S. forces. When suspects fled, there was no Iraqi cordon to catch them.

But more broadly, it illustrated a key weakness in the new U.S. counterinsurgency strategy of &quot;clear, hold, rebuild.&quot; American commanders say the &quot;hold&quot; phase relies on Iraqi forces’ ability to move into cleared areas and keep insurgents in check once the U.S. draws down its troop levels.

But areas such as Salman Pak - once an enclave for Saddam Hussein’s favored officials - reinforce the accusations that the Iraqi military is still a long way from meeting U.S. expectations.

&quot;We’re all very frustrated. We’re trying to fix this country, but the Iraqis are having trouble recruiting and getting their numbers up,&quot; said Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division, which is deployed in the area.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WoosterOh</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you get it. Are you reading what is happening in Iraq?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Iraqi government is unlikely to meet any of the political and security goals or timelines President Bush set for it in January when he announced a major shift in U.S. policy, according to senior administration officials closely involved in the matter. As they prepare an interim report due next week, officials are marshaling alternative evidence of progress to persuade Congress to continue supporting the war.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;July 8, 2007 &#8211; A flurry of bombings in Baghdad killed 26 people Sunday, and officials said the death toll from a giant suicide truck blast that devastated the market of a Shiite farming town north of the capital a day earlier could reach 150.</p>
<p>Officials earlier had said Saturday&#8217;s bombing in the town of Armili killed 115 people, one of the deadliest attacks in Iraq in months. The blast suggested Sunni insurgents are moving further north to strike in less protected regions beyond the U.S. security crackdown in Baghdad and on the capital&#8217;s northern doorstep.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sunday, July 8, 2007 &#8211; U.S. soldiers in night-vision goggles piled out of a Chinook helicopter under a wide, orange moon. They crawled through mud along canals south of Baghdad, then stormed a chicken farm that the U.S. military believed doubled as a car bomb factory.</p>
<p>But something was missing: Iraqi partners.</p>
<p>The Iraqi army has yet to deploy a single soldier on this 380-square-mile swath, where the U.S. military is waging an offensive to dislodge al-Qaida fighters from marshlands along the Tigris River.</p>
<p>In Tuesday’s predawn raid, the lack of Iraqi backup meant a frustrating outcome for U.S. forces. When suspects fled, there was no Iraqi cordon to catch them.</p>
<p>But more broadly, it illustrated a key weakness in the new U.S. counterinsurgency strategy of &#8220;clear, hold, rebuild.&#8221; American commanders say the &#8220;hold&#8221; phase relies on Iraqi forces’ ability to move into cleared areas and keep insurgents in check once the U.S. draws down its troop levels.</p>
<p>But areas such as Salman Pak &#8211; once an enclave for Saddam Hussein’s favored officials &#8211; reinforce the accusations that the Iraqi military is still a long way from meeting U.S. expectations.</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re all very frustrated. We’re trying to fix this country, but the Iraqis are having trouble recruiting and getting their numbers up,&#8221; said Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division, which is deployed in the area.&#8221;</p>
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