Now the WaPo takes a swipe at Rudy

posted at 6:04 am on July 8, 2007 by see-dubya

Hot on the heels of the New York Times innocently wondering whether Fred Thompson’s attractive and accomplished wife Jeri may be seen by “values voters” as could succesfully be tagged by the Times as a bimbo, here comes the WaPo looking to deflate Rudy’s star accomplishment with a bit of rather controversial science:

Although crime did fall dramatically in New York during Giuliani’s tenure, a broad range of scientific research has emerged in recent years to show that the mayor deserves only a fraction of the credit that he claims. The most compelling information has come from an economist in Fairfax who has argued in a series of little-noticed papers that the “New York miracle” was caused by local and federal efforts decades earlier to reduce lead poisoning.

The theory offered by the economist, Rick Nevin, is that lead poisoning accounts for much of the variation in violent crime in the United States. It offers a unifying new neurochemical theory for fluctuations in the crime rate, and it is based on studies linking children’s exposure to lead with violent behavior later in their lives.

This theory is like the perfect storm for the Left–not only does it denigrate Rudy specifically, but it also impugns law and order approaches generally even offers a behavioral, neurochemical-level explanation for criminal behavior that does an end-run around conventional notions of individual responsibility. Your Honor, I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die, but it’s not my fault because the solder in my crib contained lead:

Children in inner-city neighborhoods were the ones most likely to be poisoned by lead, because they were more likely to live in substandard housing that had lead paint and because public housing projects were often situated near highways.

Chicago’s Robert Taylor Homes, for example, were built over the Dan Ryan Expressway, with 150,000 cars going by each day. Eighteen years after the project opened in 1962, one study found that its residents were 22 times more likely to be murderers than people living elsewhere in Chicago.

The cherry on top is that this mysterious X factor is an industrial pollutant. One wonders whether the Left, always so eager to downplay any linkage between illegal psychoactive drugs and criminality, will maintain a similar laissez-faire attitude toward the fruits of the internal combustion engine. And with guns, too, of course. Shooting ranges and ammunition makers should look for a new round of regulations coming out of this news, as dewey-eyed gun-grabbers wistfully fantasize yet again about a positive correlation between private gun ownership and crime, while statist bureaucrats and slick trial lawyers take them by their hand and say, “I’m there for you.”

I’m not saying the guy is completely full of it. Why, he’s published in peer-reviewed environmental journals, no doubt right next to those same peers’ global-warming-will-kill-us-all articles. But clearly, lead does make you stupid and it may make you a criminal as well. There may be something there.

But I have to stop and ask myself–why is it lead that is the cause of this? Tracing crime waves in the 70′s to an increase in national leaded-gasoline consumption in the 50′s may track well on the charts, but Americans were using more lead because they were driving more cars. It was a time of enormous social change, many of it which challenged traditional norms and institutions. The privacy and mobility afforded by the automobile certainly had far reaching effects on families, on sexual ethics, and on economics as well. Gasoline use and lead output may have been associated with these changes, but that’s very different from saying it causes them. Roosters crow at dawn, but they don’t cause the sun to come up.

Likewise, drops in crime are attributed to a removal of lead from circulation. Of course, a government that is A: aware of and concerned about lead and B: prosperous enough to enforce such a change and C: capable of enforcing such a change has not always been the norm. Modern democracies that decided they needed a lead-reduction scheme probably did a lot of the same things at about the same time they thought of regulating lead–some of it good, some of it bad, but a lot of it that could potentially affect criminal behavior. A country that decides it needs a lead-paint policy probably also gets to work on a homelessness policy, a mental health policy, combating corruption, and a lot potentially significant factors all around the same time.

But Nevin thinks he has a silver bullet theory, one that explains criminal behavior variations anywhere and everywhere. So I’ve got to laugh when I see him say stuff like this:

“In Britain and most of Europe, they did not have meaningful constraints [on leaded gasoline] until the mid-1980s and even early 1990s,” he said. “This is the reason you are seeing the crime rate soar in Mexico and Latin America, but [it] has fallen in the United States.”

Yeah, you don’t think a series of violent turf wars among the various players in the nose candy industry, along with Marxist rebellions and even ongoing civil war had anything to do with that, do you?

I also wonder, why the focus on violent crime? Why hasn’t this theory been extended to white-collar crime as well? If lead contamination “decreases the ability to tell yourself, “If I do this, I will go to jail,” as a psychiatrist quoted in the article explains it–why don’t we see a similar increase in forged checks, insider trading, and money laundering as a result of lead?

Well, maybe such a surge has been measured–the article doesn’t make that clear. For the WaPo’s purposes, a theory that explains violent crime is good enough, because that is what Rudy Giuliani is credited with reducing. And now here’s a chance to denigrate his accomplishments, and also to make him look like a martinet:

Nevin’s finding implies a double tragedy for America’s inner cities: Thousands of children in these neighborhoods were poisoned by lead in the first three quarters of the last century. Large numbers of them then became the targets, in the last quarter, of Giuliani-style law enforcement policies.

Oh, waaah. Not sure what’s in the water at the Washington Post, but it’s making them mean and rather pathetic as well.

UPDATE: Some bloggers customarily include a “hyperlink” to the article being discussed. But not me, because I’m a player–who doesn’t play by the rules.

Oh, fine, here you go.


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My vote is already locked on Tancredo! Pretty passive statement if you ask.

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 6:21 AM

Lead in the inner cities?
Uh oh, sounds like toxic racism to me! Somebody call Al Sharpton.

Giuliani-Huckabee in ’08!

HockeyTemper on July 8, 2007 at 6:29 AM

Of course! It was the lead. It all makes sense now. Thank you so much Washington Post. Your Pulitzer is on the way.

SoulGlo on July 8, 2007 at 6:33 AM

Yeah, you don’t think a series of violent turf wars among the various players in the nose candy industry, along with Marxist rebellions and even ongoing civil war had anything to do with that, do you?

Maybe Marxism is just a side effect of lead poisoning.

Not sure what’s in the water at the Washington Post, but it’s making them mean and rather pathetic as well.

Lead.

Big S on July 8, 2007 at 6:45 AM

A very specific (and perhaps more relevant) diminishment of Giuliani’s role in reducing the crime rate in NYC was cited in Freakonomics, tying Roe v Wade and an increase in the abortion rate over the last generation to the practical effect of drastically reducing crime by reducing the available pool of low income criminals, especially in major cities, and especially in NYC. This theory questions whether law enforcement tactics had much of an impact.

To be clear, I think the reduction in crime was multifactorial, while the NYT (and even the author of Freakonomics) goes for the silver bullet.

And before I get in trouble like Bill Bennet was unfairly crucified for his thought exercise on the same topic:

This post does not constitute the advocacy of abortion to reduce crime, merely stating the hypothesis.

BillINDC on July 8, 2007 at 6:48 AM

Sorry, replace “NYT” with “WaPo” in second paragraph.

BillINDC on July 8, 2007 at 6:50 AM

Now the WaPo takes a swipe at RudyNow the WaPo takes a swipe at Rudy

I really do not like Rudy, I am not going to vote for him. So the Washington Post can say all they want, I can care less.
Ask Rudy next time you see him did he get his check from the nation of Mexico?

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 6:53 AM

This is a perfect example of the Left’s tendency to believe that human beings are naturally good and altruistic, and that it is society, technology, government, etc. that corrupts us. On the other hand, I think that these things are put into place in an effort to combat our natural tendency towards conflict. The lead paint theory elevates the first idea, while taking a swipe at the second, by questioning the laws and law enforcement that attempt to reduce crime.

Big S on July 8, 2007 at 6:59 AM

so you are calling working class Americans aLL dumb

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:02 AM

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die

In Cold Blood? It’s so familiar.

Anyway, great analysis. Especially:

This theory is like the perfect storm for the Left–not only does it denigrate Rudy specifically, but it also impugns law and order approaches generally even offers a behavioral, neurochemical-level explanation for criminal behavior that does an end-run around conventional notions of individual responsibility.

It’s never about law enforcement for the left. Or personal resonsibility. Let’s blame business, government, society. Things never change, except the number of paid subscriptions to the WaPo.

jaime on July 8, 2007 at 7:02 AM

This is a perfect example of the Left’s tendency to believe that human beings are naturally good and altruistic, …
Big S on July 8, 2007 at 6:59 AM

Not good. Livestock. Sheep that have to be led around because we’re too stupid to be responsible for our own actions. And, of course, they’re the shepherds.

jaime on July 8, 2007 at 7:06 AM

To day in Orange county CA OCTA went and walk out of work leaving 220,000 plus people looking for a way to get to work.
http://www.octa.net

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:09 AM

To day in Orange county CA OCTA went and walk out of work leaving 220,000 plus people looking for a way to get to work.
American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:09 AM

Too bad so many people have to work on Sunday. Why did they go on strike. Did the County want to verify citizenship?

jaime on July 8, 2007 at 7:13 AM

I understand the coach operator’s plight making 13.73 and hour I understand there plight. Where rent averages 1375.00 a month.

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:18 AM

Not good. Livestock. Sheep that have to be led around because we’re too stupid to be responsible for our own actions. And, of course, they’re the shepherds.

I do think they believe we are naturally “good”, however you want to define that term. Witness the Left’s reverence for primitive societies that have not been “corrupted” by modernity.

All of this comes out of what Thomas Sowell would call an “unconstrained vision” of humanity, albeit a twisted version of it in which the various remedies we have devised for society’s ills are actually the root of the problem.

Big S on July 8, 2007 at 7:19 AM

Personally I would move up the starting wage to 16 no retro people at the highest pay grade would stay the same health you have two planes like the rest of the world PPO and HMO.

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:33 AM

Ancient Rome used lead piping for internal plumbing throughout the Empire and in the aqueduct system bringing water to the cities. So, it clearly wasn’t Rome’s desire for power that made them conquerers, but the lead.

At last, another historical mystery solved!

Sometimes I can’t help expanding leftist arguments to their inevitable conclusions.

Liam on July 8, 2007 at 7:38 AM

I live in NYC. Rudy really DID reduce the crime rate, and he did it by going after the criminals. Not by making bleeding heart excuses for them, or trying to Oprah-ize crime, but by establishing and enforcing rules of order.

yeah, baby.

And the liberal left still hates him for it. They cannot STAND that someone came in, defied all their precious social welfare theories and REDUCED CRIME by GETTING TOUGH on the CRIMINALS.

I am for Rudy because he defied the Libs in one of the most out of touch liberal cities in the USA and actually got things done.

The left doesnt love Rudy because he is a RINO like McCain; they hate him because he is their worst nightmare: a Conservative who defies them and gets things done.

Always Right on July 8, 2007 at 7:42 AM

Sometimes I can’t help expanding leftist arguments to their inevitable conclusions

why would you say that?
do you live here?
well I do
you fuck, think we just want more money well no shit we need it
you really don’t give a fuck do you as long as it does not affect you?

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:47 AM

So Tancredo is left that funny

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 7:53 AM

Part of my family lived in NYC and were police officers before and during Rudy. The change in New York City is something that they used to hail, and was obvious to tourists like myself. Time Square and other parts of the City came back to life in a positive way.

There were the usual minorities claiming racism and police brutality, but it was law enforcement for a change that brought the City back into line from the pit that it had become. People forget that Rudy is part of a minority himself.

He’s a great man and a natural leader, which is what Liberals hate.

Hening on July 8, 2007 at 7:54 AM

Good God Almighty what a load of crap. Talk about your agenda driven junk science. I can’t wait for the criminal defense lawyers to start pushing this one.

Dudley Smith on July 8, 2007 at 8:00 AM

Always Right on July 8, 2007 at 7:42 AM

You’re correct. There’s a lot of people in this forum, and others, who criticize Giuliani as a “RINO.” He may be liberal in some of his views, but he is most definitely not a man of the Left.

Big S on July 8, 2007 at 8:02 AM

Here I was thinking that poverty and wealth disparity was the general underlying factor for most crime committed in the US. I guess lead is the grassy knoll to my Lee Harvey Oswald.

Seixon on July 8, 2007 at 8:09 AM

That article is … unbelievable.

Dash on July 8, 2007 at 8:12 AM

I support Giuliani because I think his arguments are the kinds we will have to make in order to stop the progress of collectivism in the USA. While social issues are important, we are likely past the point where we can return to the kind of “moral” society that a lot of social conservatives would like to see. Heck, individual liberty is enshrined in our Constitution, and more and more people will take advantage of it, as has been the historical trend. However, the Left’s strategy is to equate collectivism with “liberty”, a view that we must fight (thankfully it’s not a majority view in the USA yet.) Politicians like Rudy, who are liberal but not socialist are very important to ave on our side, and even if he’s not the nominee next year, it would be unwise to drive him and people like him out of the “conservative” movement.

Big S on July 8, 2007 at 8:13 AM

But Nevin thinks he has a silver bullet theory

He has a lead bullet theory, just like everyone else.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 8, 2007 at 8:35 AM

It is entirely more likely that the liberalism of the 60′s and 70′s that these people were brought up in led them to a life style that used moral relativism instead of personal responsibility as the core of their value system.

People used to not commit crime because it was wrong. Now they don’t commit crime because they might get caught.

csdeven on July 8, 2007 at 8:35 AM

Using the same argument we could say that the rise in global temperatures has cause a decrease in crime rates.

AlGore is promoting an increase in violent crime!

conservnut on July 8, 2007 at 8:37 AM

People are poor because the are dumb,
they are not dumb because they are poor.

Rudy, Mitt, Tommy, Tom are all fine men but I think Fred is going to spank them in the primary.

Then, He’s going to take Cankles or Osama to the woodshed.

TheSitRep on July 8, 2007 at 8:43 AM

Fred is going to spank them

just another actor

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 8:53 AM

Ridiculous but not unexpected. Left wing propaganda machines like the Washington Post will continue to aggressively advance their political and social agendas. Their goal is to destroy any and all conservative opposition and truth or fairness will play no part in their actions.

rplat on July 8, 2007 at 8:54 AM

social agendas

what part since the government took up taking on FICA and other sh*t like how many future gang bangers do you want to claim EIC

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 9:00 AM

And the liberal left still hates him for it. They cannot STAND that someone came in, defied all their precious social welfare theories and REDUCED CRIME by GETTING TOUGH on the CRIMINALS.
Always Right on July 8, 2007 at 7:42 AM
As far as the left is concerned, policing CAUSES crime – the same way that fighting terrorism causes terrorism.

If we would just pull all the police out of that “quagmire”, then the violence would stop.

logis on July 8, 2007 at 9:10 AM

Screw this Rudy with his nice very nice never-ending state pension went to Mexico and went to work for the Mexican Government.
Rudy I no you are not doing that good cash wise but did you receive last months cash from the Nation of Mexico?

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 9:36 AM

My vote is already locked on Tancredo! Pretty passive statement if you ask.

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 6:21 AM

Good choice!! now lets spread the word and send a few bucks. I would take a wild guess here and say 80% of amers. are completly tuned out..another 15% have one eye on this stuff and 5% are tuned in and actually give a dammmmm. My point is when the 80% go to the polls one thing is going to be the driving force for the GOP and the Dem’s who have all just witnessed the biggest act of TREASON in the history of this nation…One thing is for sure Tom has been at the forefront of the imm. issue..Married for 30 years.. and pro-life, pro-gun..And how can you not like the state of Colorado..Rudy, I’m sorry,, is a seen as a notherner..a good man, but wouldn’t get the south to the polls in 08 when we need them.. Fred is all smoke and mirrors (sorry) and Mitt who I also like is a mormon so I hear he my have an issue there..So lets try and look into the brains (what little there is)of the 80% who are tuned out and hope they were paying attention when their gov. officials all were just trying like hell to put them all in a SOUP line…

Legions on July 8, 2007 at 9:40 AM

I am not buying Tancredo for President, but I am all for Tancredo for Head of the INS.

La Raza would have a giant Mexican cow!!!!

Always Right on July 8, 2007 at 10:41 AM

Not sure what’s in the water at the Washington Post,

Honestly?

Probably lead.

Vyce on July 8, 2007 at 10:41 AM

I crunched some random numbers and found it to be asbestos removal that helped NYC.

/sarcasm

SouthernGent on July 8, 2007 at 10:46 AM

Was this WaPo or the Onion? This aritcle shows the WaPo can’t see the forest for all the imaginary leaves.

Spirit of 1776 on July 8, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Giuliani was a Sanctuary City Mayor.

Huckabee is an OPEN BORDERS AMNESTY ZEALOT!

Neither will get my vote. Illegal Immigration is the “dealbreaker” issue.

DfDeportation on July 8, 2007 at 11:03 AM

Of course to make their argument work (and defame Guiliani) they need to exclude other evidence such as education, socioeconomic pressures, affluence and silly little things like drugs and gangs, oh and fundamental shifts in social morality.

Funny thing, you can bet China has far more lead in their human environment and at the same time crime there is much lower than here, so if anything Guiliani was right to institute strict law enforcement, because, it works.

Speakup on July 8, 2007 at 11:05 AM

Republican Chris Cannon(Utah) wants to give Illegal Aliens from Mexico, preferential treatment in our justice system. Don’t be fooled by this guy on FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

DfDeportation on July 8, 2007 at 11:05 AM

oh and fundamental shifts in social morality brought on by liberalism.

Speakup on July 8, 2007 at 11:07 AM

INS.

Immigration customs enforcement aka. Let a colleague police officer go to prison, to protect the drugs coming across the border.
Bush I hope your swollen with pride in how you screwed the American People.

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 11:09 AM

It was thinking like that which made the cities so inhabitable. Out of the 1960s came the wave of the “root causes” – a theory in opposition to the “fallen” nature of man. Out of the Enlightenment, Rousseau asserted man was naturally good and it was civilization that made him corrupt. The 1960s saw the rise of the “open” schools, allowing children to develop in the Rousseau manner – no boundries, exploring as if they were wild creatures wandering the forests. Learning was by “discovery”. It was in stark contrast to the concept that man required skills and if everyone had to reinvent the wheel, we’d get nowhere. Thus traditional schools were intended to provide the accelerant – providing accumulated knowledge as a foundation for further achievement.
The problem quickly arose – how do people explain that pesky and recurring human evil and perfidity? Thus, external factors were needed to buttress the concept that man is good, but turns bad. Bad parents were very handy culprits, but that didn’t explain the people who come out of good families and do bad, and those who came out of bad families but do good. So, society must be at fault- harsh teachers, “The Man” … and ah ha! … Poisons in the environment. Lead!
There’s just enough truth in the proposition to be moderately convincing. Lead does degrade the body and brain functions, but that’s not the truth to explain the moral state of criminals. It may be a contributing factor in individual cases, but not in the aggregate. Even lead-poisoned people do not as a rule display criminal tendencies, but rather reduced functions and actual illness – which tend to remove them from activity rather than turn them into criminals.
So, I think See-Dubya can more confidently restate his objection:

I’m not saying the guy is completely full of it. Why, he’s published in peer-reviewed environmental journals, no doubt right next to those same peers’ global-warming-will-kill-us-all articles.

Aahh … go ahead and say it!

naliaka on July 8, 2007 at 11:10 AM

People blamed the lead pipe systems for the Romans downfall too. That was pure garbage, and the WaPo ought to be embarrassed as hell for printing such utter crap.

Bad Candy on July 8, 2007 at 11:17 AM

Lead huh? Poverty? Spankings? Tele-tubies?

I have a different theory. Freedom of choice. Follow the law or don’t follow the law. Choose wisely.

Limerick on July 8, 2007 at 11:24 AM

As always these idiot journalist’s bias make my job easy.

A 1983 article in the New England Journal of Medicine by Jerome Nriagu, a geochemist, reopened a debate that had been dormant for almost two decades. There, and in a book later that year, he argued that “lead poisoning contributed to the decline of the Roman empire.” Yet, a review by John Scarborough, a pharmacist and classicist, has criticized the book as “so full of false evidence, miscitations, typographical errors, and a blatant flippancy regarding primary sources that the reader cannot trust the basic arguments” and concluded that, although ancient authorities were aware of lead poisoning, it was not endemic in the Roman empire nor caused its fall.

IDIOTS!!!!!!

Mcguyver on July 8, 2007 at 11:37 AM

Someone check the paint in Ron Paul’s house.

WisCon on July 8, 2007 at 11:38 AM

Los Angeles Mayor Tony Villar has already endorsed Hillary Clinton and is one (1) of the four (4) National campaign co-chairs for Hillary. Take note! Another Mexican Reconquista with Hillary!

DfDeportation on July 8, 2007 at 11:40 AM

The theory offered by the economist, Rick Nevin, is that lead poisoning accounts for much of the variation in violent crime in the United States.

Gimme a break.

aengus on July 8, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Funny. Lead poisoning in Toronto seems to affect impoverished Jamaicans more than it does e.g. impoverished Somali, Trinidadian, Chinese and Vietnamese immigrants. Odd that.

And Britain’s lead problems leading to rising crime seem to have coincided with the ban on the lawful holding of handguns and tighter restrictions on longarms.

Who’d a thunk it?

andycanuck on July 8, 2007 at 11:59 AM

I think this Nevin guy is suffering from tin-foil hat poisoning. So is the WaPo.

Insomniac on July 8, 2007 at 12:00 PM

alluminum hat were can i find one?

American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Children in inner-city neighborhoods were the ones most likely to be poisoned by lead, because they were more likely to live in substandard housing that had lead paint

The solution here is obvious…a new government program to teach inner city youth to stop licking the walls!

Mallard T. Drake on July 8, 2007 at 12:23 PM

Chicago’s Robert Taylor Homes, for example, were built over the Dan Ryan Expressway, with 150,000 cars going by each day. Eighteen years after the project opened in 1962, one study found that its residents were 22 times more likely to be murderers than people living elsewhere in Chicago.

This argument actually supports Rudy’s approach, as I understand it. As described in The Tipping Point, Rudy solved the graffiti problem in the subway system by changing the environment. That is, an aggressive program to maintain clean cars and stations that eventually created an environment where it was not acceptable or desirable to continue to tag the subway cars.

Housing projects are vertical slums where too many people are packed into buildings that do not have budgets capable to maintain services and outdoor recreational areas. Cabrini Green in Chicago is not near an expressway, yet I would surmise that the crime rate there is very high also. An oppressive environment is more likely to cause crime than living in an apartment with lead paint on the wall.

Mallard T. Drake on July 8, 2007 at 12:23 PM

Rudy Giuliani speech – “Two days ago I announced that the City of New York has filed suit against the federal government. We are challenging a provision of the recently enacted federal Welfare and Immigration law. This new federal law is part of an anti-immigration (Now since there is no anti-legal-immigration movement, to speak of anyway, you already KNOW that he is talking about ILLEGALS) movement that can be seen throughout the United States, unfortunately.

Here in New York City we know the value of immigration. New York the greatest city in the world was built by the hands of immigrants and it continues to be built and strengthened by immigrants. New Yorkers know that any effort to eliminate immigration or unfairly burden immigrants could destroy the very process that is the key to New York and America’s success.

That’s why the City of New York has filed suit in federal court. Our lawsuit contends that the new federal law violates the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution by invalidating New York City’s Executive Order 124. For those who may not know, Executive Order 124″ is New York City’s policy regarding undocumented immigrants. This order was issued seven years ago by Mayor Ed Koch and then later reissued by Mayor Dinkins and then by me. Executive Order 124 protects undocumented immigrants in New York City from being reported to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service while they are using City services that are crucial for their health and safety, and critical for the health and safety of the entire city.

Joining me in defense of fair treatment for immigrants (Again, you know he means ILLEGALS) is a coalition of well-known individuals and organizations (I wonder who that would include? LaRaza? CARE? Ted Kennedy? Vicente Fox?) who oppose the anti-immigration (You know that he is talking about ILLEGAL immigrants) forces in Washington (That would be a majority of Republicans in the Congress, not just Tancredo and Hunter) and elsewhere (That would be us bad nasty nativist rednecks, I would “assume”)

MB4 on July 8, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Favorite Mongol beverage? Lead.

madne0 on July 8, 2007 at 1:09 PM

Sanctuary City! Rudy Giuliani.

DfDeportation on July 8, 2007 at 1:10 PM

The theory offered by the economist, Rick Nevin…

Who better qualified to speculate about chemistry, toxicology, and neurology than an economist?

Good work, “science.”

Blacklake on July 8, 2007 at 1:19 PM

There must a lot of lead paint in the Middle East.

jeanie on July 8, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Just ban all lead mining and all lead usage and voila !!!! No more crime. Who thought it could be that easy ???

SIJ6141 on July 8, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Now, now…banning lead is not the solution. Using MORE lead is the solution. What poetic justice it is that the use of more lead ends the threat that lead started in the first place!

csdeven on July 8, 2007 at 2:37 PM

Michelle:

Im a physician, psychiatrist and researcher.

This is pure bunk.

Another piece of junk science that will be embraced by leftards just like global warming.

Doctorted on July 8, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Doctorted
I have a pain in my neck, am I crazy, where can I find the answer?

TheSitRep on July 8, 2007 at 2:45 PM

It’s true!! When I was 16 and driving a leaded gasoline eating V8 350 1969 Camaro, I was a total idiot!

My dad always blamed me for just being a dumbass. Now I know it was the gasoline!

BacaDog on July 8, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Funny, I heard lead was actually a crime deterrent when you pump enough of it into some insane attacker’s cranium.

I’m looking forward to the WaPo’s attack on the Clintons and their spree of cronyism-based pardons, lies, deceits, undermining of national security, and…

who am I kidding?

BKennedy on July 8, 2007 at 2:51 PM

Bill Clinton’s mom did massive amounts of tequila shots from leaden shot glasses while she was pregnant with him.
You can see the effects even now.
No sincerely,
The cure for lead poisoning and other heavy metals is chelation therapy w/ EDTA, I.V. and oral. it takes allot of treatment.
Lead poisoning is cumulative and doesn’t go away when you change the environment.

For the love of Pete!

TheSitRep on July 8, 2007 at 3:01 PM

Lead MSM poisoning is cumulative and doesn’t go away

They chip away and chip away with asinine factoids and 20 year old fallibles hoping something will stick. Gonna be a long 18 months.

BacaDog on July 8, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Give me enough money and enough time and I can do a study that somehow links the effect of Chilean llamas’ birthrate, couple with Eastern Poland’s potato harvest with an increase in ear infections among males born on weekends to mothers with brown eyes.

reaganaut on July 8, 2007 at 3:22 PM

dang – should be coupled

Not only can I complete that study, I can blame it on conservatives and/or Republicans.

reaganaut on July 8, 2007 at 3:26 PM

I’m led to believe that the WaPo would lead us to the truth that lead would lead Mr. Giuliani to be prevented from leading this country.

However, the WaPo is mostly out of plumb or off plum, and therefore maximus plumbum.

Entelechy on July 8, 2007 at 5:12 PM

And with guns, too, of course. Shooting ranges and ammunition makers should look for a new round of regulations coming out of this news, as dewey-eyed gun-grabbers wistfully fantasize yet again about a positive correlation between private gun ownership and crime, while statist bureaucrats and slick trial lawyers take them by their hand and say, “I’m there for you.”

Perhaps a new twist, but attacking the gun industry and owner regarding lead is the old approach.

- http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/msds/lead.html
- http://www.health.state.ny.us/environmental/lead/shoot.htm
- http://www.epa.gov/region2/waste/leadshot/
- …

The attempt of OSHA to regulate other aspects is the new attack. If this passes, run to Walmart and buy what you can. http://www.nssf.org/share/PDF/FedReg041307.pdf

AZ_Redneck on July 8, 2007 at 5:14 PM

s/b off plumb, of course.

Entelechy on July 8, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Of course, if lead was a real culprit in criminality, how come crime didn’t follow the middle class blacks when they fled the inner cities? Remember the Left’s whinging about “Black Flight?”

There’s a social sorting going on. If an area becomes crappy, anyone who wants better GETS OUT. The problems stay behind, one reason because they export themselves to subburbia and are in short time, arrested. Better stay in the crapola areas where they get away with more. The stagnant pond becomes more sludgy, but the creatures with half a brain and some legs crawl out and head for better water.

naliaka on July 8, 2007 at 5:54 PM

(Assuming the reality that once lead gets in you, it’s rather hard to remove. The people migrating would have carried it in themselves as they went.)

naliaka on July 8, 2007 at 5:56 PM

Um…lower levels of lead = lower crime rates.
Weird.
In Dallas, they’ve spent the last couple decades, at least, doing away with as much lead in the water system as possible.
Crime rate’s never been higher.
But hey, they must have taken out the wrong lead.
I’m just sayin’.

SuperManGreenLantern on July 8, 2007 at 6:40 PM

Doctorted on July 8, 2007 at 2:38 PM

FYI, Doc, this post was written by me, not Michelle. But I get that all the time.

That “photoshopped” picture of Michelle in the bikini? All me, baby.
Anyway, I just put up this up to take up the slack while Bryan’s on vacation. For you new Hot Air registrants, I blog at Bryan’s old blog and show up here occasionally.

see-dubya on July 8, 2007 at 7:06 PM

White lead has been used in cosmetics throughout history, as face paint/powder and in eye shadow. Though they’ve been banned in Western nations for quite some time now.

You’d think history books would have mentioned gangs of middle-class women running about committing crimes and engaging in anti-social behavior.

Chicago’s Robert Taylor Homes, for example, were built over the Dan Ryan Expressway, with 150,000 cars going by each day. Eighteen years after the project opened in 1962, one study found that its residents were 22 times more likely to be murderers than people living elsewhere in Chicago.

Noise pollution drove them crazy!

NoSquids on July 8, 2007 at 7:41 PM

“… has argued in a series of little-noticed papers …”

Uh, there’s a reason why they were little-noticed and it’s much the same reason many newspapers are becoming less and less noticed. To put a positve spin on it, they’re craptacular*!

* Doing my part to make this the top word of 2007. BTW, anyone know who first coined it?

Dusty on July 8, 2007 at 8:12 PM

“In Britain and most of Europe, they did not have meaningful constraints [on leaded gasoline] until the mid-1980s and even early 1990s,” he said. “This is the reason you are seeing the crime rate soar in Mexico and Latin America, but [it] has fallen in the United States.”

In the Baltics and Middle East they did not have a meaningful number of cable television outlets until the late 1990s and even early 2000s. This is the reason that cable television viewing is still not universal in Australia and New Guinea but has increased in the United States.

deepdiver on July 8, 2007 at 10:39 PM

TANCREDO- HUNTER 2008

profitsbeard on July 8, 2007 at 10:55 PM

Someone check the paint in Ron Paul’s house.

WisCon on July 8, 2007 at 11:38 AM

We have a winner!

omnipotent on July 9, 2007 at 1:05 PM

I grew up in two Victorian era houses full of lead paint, so did my brother.

What a load of crap.

Purple Avenger on July 9, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Wait… are we talking about wall candy?

Mmmmmm… wall candy…

angryoldfatman on July 9, 2007 at 2:01 PM

alluminum hat were can i find one?
American8298 on July 8, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Something tells me you’re already wearing one…
Same as American 8295, American 8296, American 8297, etc..

To put a positve spin on it, they’re craptacular*!

* Doing my part to make this the top word of 2007. BTW, anyone know who first coined it?

Dusty on July 8, 2007 at 8:12 PM

See “Urban Dictionary“: Bart Simpson (Matt Groenig) to Homer

nationspatriotcom on July 9, 2007 at 3:19 PM

I wonder why the crime rate in Leadville, Colorado, isn’t the highest in the nation? Kind of blows his theory all to pieces.

When I moved from Colorado in the last 1990′s, there were news articles about the kids in Leadville playing on dirt piles that were full of lead contamination from, left from the silver mining days. Those kids should now be criminal adults, if you believe the lead/criminal theory.

sadatoni on July 9, 2007 at 3:51 PM

This is the paper that set out to unseat Sen. George Allen. They had to explain to everyone why Macaca was offensive. Do you doubt that they will stop at nothing to get their way politically?

foxforce91 on July 10, 2007 at 1:28 PM

Hey WashPost. This is no way to treat the next VP of the United States.

saved on July 10, 2007 at 3:19 PM