Poll: 64% of all adults disapprove of commutation of Libby’s sentence
posted at 2:08 pm on July 6, 2007 by Allahpundit
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That includes non-voters. Among voters, it’s … 69%. I think Patterico speaks for a lot of them.
Ah well. Just another small problem for next November left in our laps by Bush to go along with all the big ones he’s bequeathed to us. Here’s some more data from the survey. Note the results among those swing-votin’ independents:
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Isn’t 31% approval higher than his overall numbers? So this will actual help him, wont it? :P
lorien1973 on July 6, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Tough!
apostle53 on July 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Did anyone ask how many people favored the Congress being sent home? That question never seems to be asked. It’s discovered that Congress has less than half the approval Bush does, and the MSM sweeps it under the rug.
amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 2:18 PM
So they polled more Dems and Independents then Republicans? Does this point to more Republicans changing to Independents or could they just not find enough. You have to call outside of the NYC area code sometimes.
LakeRuins on July 6, 2007 at 2:18 PM
I thought Rove’s vaunted plan for a permanent majority was for Republicans to be in that majority not the Democrats.
Oy.
Drew on July 6, 2007 at 2:19 PM
I am consistent here. I think Martha Stewart was screwed and I think Libby was screwed. When there is no underlying crime, the investigation should not be allowed to create one.
Fitzgerald knew:
1) There was no underlying crime;
2) Libby wasn’t the leaker.
Yet he continued his investigation hoping he could create a crime. That is inherently unfair and un-American imho.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 2:19 PM
That’s ok. 30% of American highschoolers can’t find Japan on a map. They grow up to be just as dumb. Until one day, when they’re called by ASG, asking their opinion on a complicated legal case.
amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 2:20 PM
Hey folks, it’s not easy driving your approval rating down to zero. Cut him some slack, will ya?
Targeted Bush Legacy: approval rating equal to the number of months left in your term.
kjspeedial on July 6, 2007 at 2:20 PM
That also is always left out. Where did they call? I’m betting not in Anytown, USA. It was most likely a major city, which have a tendency to be Liberal. Second, what time of day? When most people are working?
amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 2:22 PM
So what? Very few people know the facts of the case, the law, and the law, policy, and precedent behind granting commutations/pardons.
Blake on July 6, 2007 at 2:25 PM
I wonder if they asked whether they believed that libby was the one who leaked plames name? I would bet if more people knew the truth about the matter and not the left story that Libby was the leaker the numbers would be different.
elBarto on July 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM
How about asking these same people if they feel it is justified to impeach a President for exercising his Constitutional powers? It shouldn’t surprise me, but I am continually amazed at how little “the public” knows about our own system of government.
common sensineer on July 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM
Polls-smolls
I never have put much faith in them. Like amerpundit ask, what time of day was it. It may not seem like much but it is huge on poll results. Most conservitives are at work during the day, dumbasses that watch MSNBC and the today show are home all day.
Anyway, I would be willing to bet %80 of them don’t even understand the conviction of Libby at all.
conservnut on July 6, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Actually, I think Patterico speaks for the government prosecutors among them. The rest of the “adults” in this poll are — I suspect — among the 90+% of Americans who know next to nothing about this case and couldn’t give a rat’s ass.
Just more poll BS…
Jaibones on July 6, 2007 at 2:28 PM
90% of Americans don’t even understand the facts behind the case in the first place and why Bush choose to commute the sentence. So whoop-di-do!
msipes on July 6, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Exactly what I was thinking!! If they polled a bunch of “View” audience types, of course the results will be skewed.
bernzright777 on July 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
So most American are pig-ignorant buffons? We needed a poll to tell us this?
Enrique on July 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Bingo!
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Actually, he speaks for only one government prosecutor — himself.
Blake on July 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
You make a good point. It seems they asked if he should be impeached, because he used his Constitutional powers. In addition, how many of those asked actually understand the difference between a commutation and a pardon?
amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 2:32 PM
To the 61 or 69 % or whatever, I say file it under Hoo, Boo Freakin’.
If Judge Reggie would have been reasonable and at least let Libby remain free on appeal I might feel differently, but he wouldn’t, and this is a case where many sharp legal minds think there are a number of appealable issues. Would it serve justice if Libby went to prison only to see his conviction overturned on appeal? Probably in the mind of left wingers and prosecutors it would, but not for people who have any real sense of justice.
I haven’t had much reason to appreciate W. lately, but on this issue I give him credit for doing exactly the right thing. Good job, W.
thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 2:34 PM
90% of all adults disapprove of employers giving their employees free iPhones. Does that make them right? No!
Blake on July 6, 2007 at 2:34 PM
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Dread Pirate Roberts VI on July 6, 2007 at 2:37 PM
it just shows that all the excessive lying by the media on this case, refusing to mention Armitage and call out Fitzgerald has affected a majority of people who have only partly followed this thing.
Because of this, many people now think Bush did lie/distort intelligence to go to war…..to then ruin his administration’s support if they would follow their logic for once. This has all made us less safe and is a national security issue.
jp on July 6, 2007 at 2:37 PM
You can get the Dems to always poll at 65 – 69% on any issue. Go look at any poll data and the Dems always stay in that range, meaning there isn’t an independent thought among them. They are more akin to a Borg collective, gratuitous Star Trek reference and 7 of 9 was always my favorite.
LakeRuins on July 6, 2007 at 2:41 PM
This is a direct result of allowing the left wing to set the agenda in the media.
Any informed person that has followed this from the beginning knows what a crock this is, but the media bullshit blinds most people.
JayHaw Phrenzie on July 6, 2007 at 2:42 PM
…TIME TO BOMB IRAN…
Legions on July 6, 2007 at 2:42 PM
The commutation of the Libby sentence was the right thing to do. It may be unpopular in the short term, but in the long run, with some use of the Presidency as a bully pulpit, making the right decisions is what will help. The Libby case is not understood by the public. If the public is ever made to understand, then the public turns against the perpetrators of the case.
Phil Byler on July 6, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Everybody who remembers what the hot issue of 16 months ago was, raise your hands! November 2008 is 16 months away.
This is the best they can do with wall to wall coverage a couple of days after the decision to commute? Most Americans probably still haven’t even heard of Scooter Libby.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 6, 2007 at 2:44 PM
Sure he was convicted, but I’d hardly call the jury from an area that’s 8 to 1 Democrat his ‘peers’. This was a political vendetta engineered by little Chucky Schumer, prosecuted by a weasel who got the jury packed with sniveling Democrats (yes, redundant) and a political operative for a judge.
Other than that, it was a perfectly fair trial.
pistolero on July 6, 2007 at 2:48 PM
And your level of confidence in this administration to make a rationale and coherent defense of this decision is how high exactly?
Sadly after 6 and half years it’s pretty clear that’s a bridge to far for this administration.
Drew on July 6, 2007 at 2:48 PM
The Left is putting out the phony statistics they want to quote to justify their little impeachment game. The media is complicit in pushing it.
They want to relive Vietnam and Watergate. Guess in their drug-addled 60s daze they thought defeat equalled victory. They think it’s cool to bring down “Da Man,” with no care for the consequences.
What kind of lie is being promoted with this break-down of voters ?
38% Democrats
33% Independents
and only 29% Republicans
With Independents tending to be Democrats who don’t want to be identified as people heavily trending Dem, that’s a poll that larded the sample population with 2 to 1 overrepresentation of one party.
naliaka on July 6, 2007 at 2:55 PM
I think the question asked has a lot to do with the answer.
“Do you approve or disapprove of President George W. Bush commuting the 30-month prison sentence of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby while leaving intact Mr. Libby’s conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice in the CIA leak case?”
I would prefer to have removed the conviction as well as commuting the sentence. Does that mean I should therefore say I disaprove? The question is written to imply a stronger disapproval of Bush’s action on Libby. A better question would be do approve, disaprove, or think Bush should have removed the sentence as well.
Liz
hecate on July 6, 2007 at 3:05 PM
Screw ‘em…the liberals are still cryin’ over their shamnesty and fairness doctrine defeats…been a rough couple of weeks for the moonbats…
DCJeff on July 6, 2007 at 3:06 PM
BFD. Bush can do what he wants on this, and if the public doesn’t like it….tough.
saiga on July 6, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Who cares what a bunch of morons who probably don’t even have a basic understanding of the circumstances surrounding Libby’s conviction and outrageous sentence think.
Mike Honcho on July 6, 2007 at 3:09 PM
The entire case was bogus. Fitzgerald knew who the “leaker” was before the investigation even began. He chose not to charge Armitage because it was debatable there ever was a crime.
The whole case against Libby revolved around a he said/she said. There were no tapes, no hard evidence, just people’s recollections of discussions that took place years ago. Even the jury was confused about what the issue really was and had to ask the judge to clarify the charges while they were deliberating.
Libby paid a $250,000 fine and is on probation for 2 years. He did not deserve to spend a day in jail. Bush did the right thing and deserves to be commended not slammed because it might hurt politically.
JackStraw on July 6, 2007 at 3:11 PM
That just proves that 69% don’t know the facts of the case. This will be a non-issue though come ‘08. Especially if a clever Republican does a comparison contrast with Clinton’s pardonpalooza back in 2001.
Mojave Mark on July 6, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Sorry, not true. The judge is a tough-guy appointed by Bush. I agree with Bush’s move, but we can’t pin this on the judge, and Bush was very careful not to do so.
Jaibones on July 6, 2007 at 3:16 PM
80% of adults have no idea what any of the Libby business was about, let alone the investigation it came out of. They just assume corruption and the press helps them out.
brak on July 6, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Allah, I feel like you’re having trouble being entirely accurate/clear when reporting these polls. Again, the data doesn’t mean much other than political ramifications, because the general public has been lied to about the whole Libby trial in the first place (hell, most articles today still call it the “CIA leak trial”, which in and of itself is a flat out lie). But you keep neglecting to take in to account the fact that some people wish Libby had been pardoned.
Remember in a thread last week when you said this:
And I had to respond with this
In today’s poll, ARG found 11% that want a pardon… which means you can take that 11% pretty much from the 64%, making it 53% and adding it to the 31% who approve of the commutation, making it 42%. So it’s more like 53/42 oppose/approve.
Again, this isn’t really that relevant, as the public hasn’t a clue what they’re talking about on this issue (I’d like to see a pole that asks the public what he was convicted of, and a bunch of other important facts on the case. I doubt even 90% would show enough knowledge that we’d care about their opinion on the matter, unless we’re strictly looking at political fallout.)
RightWinged on July 6, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Libby has a right to an appeal. Big time. Is it fair of the system to send him to prison when even the jurors said they didn’t want him, but his boss? Sandy Berger STOLE documents – federal documents, and destroyed some of them – an extraordinary series – not one – of actions driven by an unnamed and desperate motivation. Berger’s name wasn’t one those memos, Clinton’s was, so why was Berger so pressed to risk his reputation to do such a shoddy and cheap thing? He gets community service? For plain old theft and property destruction? Where? Who wants a thief working off his hours in their place? While for Libby, for the nature of the offense, contradicting statements about a conversation, regarding a circumstance that turned out to NOT be a crime? How fair was that? You’re being questioned about a deliberately vague legal concern on the part of the prosecutors. What are you supposed to say? What’s important and what’s not? Where do you find the place to draw the line to protect yourself? The prosecutors don’t want you to know when they’ve gone too far. The only way to survive one of these unfair interrogations is to put a piece of duct tape over your mouth, stick your fingers in your ears and hum.
In this case, Libby should have been on easy street for remaining out, pending appeal, but the judge seemed to want to force Bush’s hand and turned the man’s lawful and well within the boundries of common practice request to post bail. With Libby’s lawful background, no priors and security clearances, the judge could have easily accepted bail while on appeal, suspended sentence, reduced sentance, etc etc. Nooo. He gave him the “screw you” option.
All Bush did was lift the burden of the ordeal of sitting in prison while waiting for an appeal. I for one want to see an appeal, with fresh faces in there, who will take a good hard look at how this travesty was concocted. I want the legal system to function properly. It worked for the Duke lacrosse players. The Left should not be able to ride roughshod over people by egregious use of the courts and prosecutors.
If they get away with this, we can all look forward to Soviet-style courts designed to destroy dissenting political voices.
naliaka on July 6, 2007 at 3:23 PM
poll this poll that. Does anyone really care what the polls say about this. Anything that has Boosh involved in a question will suffer from BDS. Boosh has so alienated the public that too many people do not really look into a subject, they just reject Boosh and anything he does.
Personally I think the Libby trial was a farce and only furthers the distrust of the government. It is full of holes and lies and egos. Boosh should have ended this farcical act by the No-Justice Dept and pardoned Libby, but no, Senior Boosh bungled a decision again.
I am happy Scooter is not in Jail, I guess a part of the pie is better than none, but I would respect Boosh more if he used 2 balls when making that decision instead of just the left one.
Wade on July 6, 2007 at 3:26 PM
A conservative appointing activist judges is not new. Reagan appointed both O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy. I would think that these would be lamented by Reagan, but accidents happen or judges change because they’re untouchable for the most part.
I just don’t understand why the judge wouldn’t let Libby remain free during his appeal. Was he some danger to society or something?
pistolero on July 6, 2007 at 3:26 PM
Pish-posh. Further proof that the MSM determines what people think more than reasonable thought and discourse. After all, where was the media outrage toward Clinton when he went on a pardoning spree at the end of his term? Oh, right, there wasn’t one, the President should make a habit of pardoning and commuting the sentense of frauds, drug traffickers and drunks…
Spc Steve on July 6, 2007 at 3:28 PM
The real issue here may be the MSM’s spin that Libby outed a CIA agent. Joe Wilson and Chris Matthews must be happy today.
swami on July 6, 2007 at 3:30 PM
You know, instead the Democrats wasting time, energy, space, money, air, etc on investigation on top of investigation, and threatening to start impeachment proceedings on this or that, or whatever, why don’t these bucketheads just wait until January 2009 when Bush is out of office, and just get down to the business of doing what they were all goofs were elected to Congress for in the first place? Which unless I am mistaken is to represent We The People? I mean, I am now sick and tired of all this Bush-bashing impeachment-threatening balderdash! Let it go, for crying out loud!
pilamaye on July 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM
I’m confused. No one seemed to want Clinton in jail even though his perjury was not just that of his own but of him being caught red-handed trying to get others to commit perjury on his behalf.
Really, since when are people out for blood against perjurers?
That would explain it.
Esthier on July 6, 2007 at 3:39 PM
In fairness Justice Hamlet, er Kennedy was the third choice for that seat (originally it was supposed to be Bork). Why did Douglas Ginsburg have to toke up while teaching law school and how long must the nation pay for that?
Drew on July 6, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Oh BS…
64% of adults don’t even know who Libby is.
DANEgerus on July 6, 2007 at 3:44 PM
And how was it phrased? Was it “Do you approve of President Bush’s commutation of the purgery sentence of Scooter Libby,” or was it “Do you approve of President Bush’s pardon of Scooter Libby in the CIA Leak trial.”
It amazes me how many people think that Libby was the leaker and how he’d enevitably lead to Cheney (and then to Bush).
crazy_legs on July 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Dub Yuh commuted Scooter’s sentence, but at the same time commended the prosecutor Fitzgerald for doing such a great job.
When you try to please every one, you please no one.
Fitzgerald did more damage to our legal system than Dub Yuh did.
Labamigo on July 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM
Fragility to hijack the thread with a FOX bashing post in 3…2…1..
BacaDog on July 6, 2007 at 3:50 PM
There are more self-identified Democrats in this country than Republicans. Independents are generally only 1-3 points behind Republicans, and one Rasmussen survey a month ago for the first time had more independents than Reps.
Fragility on July 6, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Hammer. Nail. Head.
thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 3:53 PM
BacaDog on July 6, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Doh……..
doriangrey on July 6, 2007 at 4:02 PM
Shut up about the Dems doing all the investigations. As long as they are preoccupied with that they can’t really go around screwing the rest of us.
LakeRuins on July 6, 2007 at 4:04 PM
So, 69 percent of Dems want Cheney for president?
MRegine on July 6, 2007 at 4:08 PM
I agree with you there.
Bernie Goldberg said about the same thing to Michelle on the factor last night.
kiakjones on July 6, 2007 at 4:25 PM
LakeRuins on July 6, 2007 at 4:04 PM
Precisely. I love it when both sides do as little as possible.
Entelechy on July 6, 2007 at 4:29 PM
But that’s what the MSM has presented to the public. They aren’t reporting, they are forming opinion – their way.
naliaka on July 6, 2007 at 4:49 PM
What’s even more troublesome is that some members of the jury had some similar thoughts, particularly with regard to everything leading to Cheney … even though they had instructions to the contrary. Guess the judge didn’t really mean it.
thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 4:52 PM
That’s the most pathetic attempt at spinning a poll I’ve ever seen, literally. Everyone who answered that poll in the affirmative when asking if they supported Bush granting a pardon obviously also answered in the affirmative when the pollster asked if they approved of Bush commuting Libby’s term. If you’re going to spin something, you’re going to have to try harder than that.
Fragility on July 6, 2007 at 5:01 PM
And by the way, what’s you’re explanation for the 80%+ opposing the pardon? Isn’t that the conservative position?
Fragility on July 6, 2007 at 5:02 PM
Fitzgerald didn’t “create” a crime. Libby created it when he lied and obstructed justice. “Underlying crime” is a bunch of BS. There was a crime, it was committed by Libby. Oh, and Libby did leak to Matt Cooper.
Nonfactor on July 6, 2007 at 5:09 PM
They can’t accept that their views aren’t held by a majority of Americans.
Nonfactor on July 6, 2007 at 5:15 PM
I’m still waitin’ for someone to unwind the Armitage/Cheney/Bush/Libby/Rove Conspiracy pretzel.
franksalterego on July 6, 2007 at 5:17 PM
New Scientific Study
A recent study indicates that among Americans 49.9999% hate George W Bush because of his stance on Terrorism
Also 49.9999% hate him because of his love of illegal alien invaders
The remaining undecided .00001% is a list of people so small, we can list them here:
1. George H.W. Bush
2. Barbara Bush
3. Lora Bush
TheSitRep on July 6, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Who cares what 64% of adults think? There’s only one man who’s vote counts: George Bush. That’s why we live in a “one man rules all” system of government.
e-pirate on July 6, 2007 at 5:26 PM
WHat exactly was the leaked information?
naliaka on July 6, 2007 at 5:40 PM
The most fair solution would be to take a group of a dozen random people and have both the prosecution and the defense present their sides of the story, then let this impartial “jury” decide whether or not Scooter committed a crime. Then, if Scooter has been found guilty, everyone should agree to let some kind of impartial “judge” decide what an appropriate punishment should be, following the guidelines currently in law.
It’s unfortunate that Democrats don’t believe in this kind of system of justice, and have to resort to extraodinary measures to take the law into their own hands. We’ve got laws for a reason, and the Democrat Party refuses to accept that.
e-pirate on July 6, 2007 at 5:52 PM
It probably means that most people wanted a full pardon.
Because they understand that no crime was committed because the law designates that an agent must be covert. Plame was not.
Armitage would have been tried if leaking a non-covert agent;s name were a crime.
He wasn’t. It isn’t.
Libby was convicted because he has a funny nickname.
If it had been “Norm” Libby or “Joe” Libby, he’d never have been tried.
Because the goofy-leaning media wouldn’t have paid any attention to a Norm or Joe, and would not have given Democrats the schmmozeofest, silly talking points and fulsome airtime to giggle over “Scooter” this and “Scooter” that.
It was a PR bonanza for the salivating far-left.
(Libby also had lawyers who sucked.)
profitsbeard on July 6, 2007 at 5:59 PM
If 45% of “Americans” really want to see impeachment proceedings begin against Bush
in revenge for Clinton’s having been impeached, then by all means Bush should oblige. Bush and all his peeps should in fact goad Congress into impeachment at every chance. I’d like to see election-year-type ads insisting that the Democrats impeach Bush before it’s too late, paid for by Bush.What better way to have a goodly number of Americans, especially the BDS afflicted among us, on the edge of their seats waiting to see that 1) there really aren’t any grounds for impeachment should congress actually proceed with impeachment or 2) see what wimps and pompous asses our Congress is made of if they do not.
Without an actual impeachment, many people will continue to hold the belief that Bush has committed impeachable offenses, which of course he has not. It could only hurt the Dems, I think, for the “truth” to be presented in an impeachment hearing.
Meanwhile, Congress completely shuts down in preparation for impeachment – no fairness doctrine, no reconquista reform, no puttin’ the screws to the man. Democrats got elected just for this, why would they not drop everything else like lava balls to please their constituents? Some Congresspeople’s usfulness would plum run out in the time it would take to go through an impeachment. Best, it would be prime time for Bush to speak unfiltered to the “charges” in front of those most interested in seeing him go down in flames.
shuzilla on July 6, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Please! 69% of American voters can’t identify the Speaker of the House let alone know who Scooter Libby is.
MCPO Airdale on July 6, 2007 at 6:54 PM
As an addendum to my 2:43 PM post today, I think Bush needs to stop listening entirely to the DOJ with respect to the Libby case. Patrick Fitzgerald was a rogue prosecutor who brought a cover your ass case because there were no violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act and who engaged in misconduct during and after the trial to get a conviction from a left wing Washington D.C. jury that included a friend of key prosecution witneses Tim Rusert.
Phil Byler on July 6, 2007 at 8:41 PM
I think the numbers on the impeachment poll are so high because a lot of people don’t know what “impeach” means. I have a feeling they think it’s the same thing as a recall, something that gets him out of office.
Ortzinator on July 6, 2007 at 9:01 PM
What was the percentage among intelligent, attentive, thoughtful adults?
Kralizec on July 6, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Two Words: Jay Walking
lsutiger on July 6, 2007 at 9:09 PM
I wonder how many disapproved because they felt a full pardon should have been granted. I would really like to see their so called data.
KC-135A on July 6, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Huh.
Nonfactor still out looking for something to fill the gaping nothingness that was the alleged LEAK?
naliaka on July 6, 2007 at 11:04 PM
A majority of people in this country can’t name the 3 branches of gov’t or even the VP or Sec of State. Does anyone really think they know enough details about Libby’s conviction and commutation to make an informed decision about it when asked a poll question?? In a word NO. Who cares what they think. They’re obviously basing their responses on all the negative media reports.
miketheman on July 6, 2007 at 11:26 PM
Oh gawd, Allahpundit, I beg you: please cease and desist from telling us what the American public believes about such matters, as if intelligent people would care.
Go to a mall, AP, and ask the first twelve adults you see: “Who is Scooter Libby?” If even half of them answer, “He’s the former chief of staff to the vice president,” I’ll buy you an iPhone.
People are either too proud or too stupid to say to a pollster, “I’m sorry, but I can’t answer that question; I don’t know enough to answer it.”
Is it not heartache enough for us to know that the votes of the unlettered carry a weight equal to our own? Must you also assault us with the vacuity of their minds?
When next you want a thoughtful opinion on a complex topic, ask a lively dog.
paul006 on July 7, 2007 at 1:01 AM
Nobody at work knows who Scooter Libby is.
Nobody I know, including American Lefties, has a clue who, what, when, or where is going on with a Libby trial or Libby pardon or anything.
But if you ask people at work about illegal immigration, boom, then you automatically get a response.
Even Lefties have an opinion on this subject, and the ones I know, hate Bush for pushing amnesty legislation.
Bush is afraid of going out in public? What about his base that he ridiculed and mocked recently? Is he afraid of his base?
ColtsFan on July 7, 2007 at 1:54 AM
Watch this.
Nonfactor on July 7, 2007 at 3:09 AM
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