Bush officials don the hijab
posted at 8:51 am on July 6, 2007 by Bryan
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We’ve arrived at yet another teachable moment in the war. The West has been distracted for years by the leftwing shibboleth that poverty and adverse conditions, as opposed to a religion and an ideology, are at the roots of terrorism. Those doctors who plotted to blow up London and the Glasgow airport provide powerful evidence to the contrary: It’s not the poverty, stupid. A savvy administration that actually knows how to lead could have used this moment to remind us all that it’s the ideology that drives the enemy in this war, and that the doctors are just the latest in a long string of evidence to that effect. Starting with millionaire Osama bin Laden and working through Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri to several of the 9-11 hijackers and on to these doctors, an awful lot of terrorists come from middle class or better backgrounds, and are professionals. They’re not poor in anything but their humanity. But what did the Bush administration do instead? Agh. It dispatched several of its top lights off to the nearest mosque. I realize, not in direct response to anything in particular, but it just doesn’t look good. And after seeing this, I need a vacation.
The caption reads:
Senior White House staff members attend the rededication ceremony of The Islamic Center in Washington June 27, 2007. From L-R are: Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Frances Townsend, White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, and Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Karen Hughes. REUTERS/Larry Downing (UNITED STATES)
Thaaat’s right. That’s two of our top officials donning hijabs, in effect genuflecting to a religion they don’t believe in for the sake of diplomacy. They’re not doing this on foreign soil, where it’s at least arguably defensible. They’re down the street from the White House.
Want to know a little more about the event they were attending? Steve Emerson looked into it and didn’t like what he found.
An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.
Further, the source told me, “We desperately need to know what radical Islamists are doing in this country” and he was “shocked and surprised to learn that the White House would not take greater care of who was vetted to this event,” adding, “this was not your typical Rotary Club invitation.” The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak, and the Islamic Center ceremony was no exception. Additionally, the White House was warned by a senior government official that it was making a huge national security error in not vetting those in attendance at the mosque. A White House liaison has told me in the past that CAIR has been barred from attending White House events on national security grounds.
And on cue, CAIR is playing up spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s attendance at the speech and taking full advantage of its presence to insinuate itself into the President’s agenda.
Very nice. CAIR, recently discredited by being an unindicted co-conspirator in terror financing and by the fact that is has fewer members than the average gym, is back in the saddle again.
The symbolism of this won’t be lost on our enemies and it won’t be lost on fence-sitters who are wondering who will turn out to be the strong horse. It won’t win any friends among the “moderates” and won’t soothe a single one of the savages.
After the immigration fight and now seeing the picture above and reading about what when on in that event, this may be the last straw for me. Seriously. This administration just can’t lead, or won’t lead, or when it does decide to lead, the direction it wants to go doesn’t make much sense. It is making it harder and harder to support them, even while I recognize that as far as war leadership goes, they’re the only game in town. We need them to be strong, wise and agile, but at this point expecting any of that is a little like expecting the Baltimore Orioles to win the AL East. You can hope for it all you want, but it just ain’t gonna happen.
Update: I see a little pushback in the comments, as to why this incident is such a bad thing. Well, in isolation it’s not. But this isn’t an isolated incident. This administration, our best dog in the fight against radical Islam, is in many respects out of sorts. If it’s not trotting down to the mosque, with CAIR slipping in the back way to make itself relevant again, it’s letting Wahhabis control who can become a Muslim chaplain in the military, and it’s letting CAIR control government “sensitivity” training, and it’s the DHS head announcing to the world that we can’t and won’t secure the nation’s border, and it’s administration officials allowing themselves to be photographed appearing to kowtow to Islamic sensibilities. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has a lot to say about image and symbolism, but evidently she and others like her–who know what they’re talking about from personal experience–aren’t being listened to.
As with all wars, symbols are important. But this is especially true in the Muslim mind which is governed by a rigid code of honor and shame. In this context symbols are not just images, but a matter of life and death. He who stands by and watches as his symbols are trashed has lost his honor.
The honor-and-shame code affects all Muslim societies from top to bottom – family, tribe and the Umma, or the Muslim nation. An insider who breaches this code, which is Salman Rushdie’s great “crime,” must be put to death. He shamed Muslims in two very serious ways: He left Islam, and he insulted Islam’s infallible founder.
She’s talking about Muslims who burned effigies of the Queen and Salman Rushdie in Pakistan, but it’s the talk of symbolism that’s the takeaway. Images are more important than words in this war. That iconic image from Abu Ghraib has done more damage than a hundred great articles or speeches can fix, no matter that Abu Ghraib didn’t reflect administration policy at all. The above image won’t do anything like that kind of damage, but it won’t help anything. Townsend and Hughes just look craven and clueless, like they’re trying and failing to appease Islamic sensibilities. And the failure to vet the crowd and keep the likes of CAIR out is another sign of cluelessness. To me it’s all just one more sign that they really don’t understand the war at a very fundamental level. Google any of Karen Hughes’ speeches over the past couple of years wrt Islam and you’ll see what I mean.
On the one hand, we allow our images to be defaced and burned and destroyed and we do nothing about it, other than to trot out the nonsense about a “tiny minority” being behind the all the problems. On the other hand, our own leaders adopt albeit briefly the images of Islam. We end up looking weak, lacking confidence in our own ideals, and ready to submit to the nearest imam. That’s not the image we ought to project.
Update: Daniel Pipes comments. I guess he’s a bigot, too.
It’s bad enough that the left trots out the bigot hammer against us every day. It’s bad enough that that the Bush administration slung it at us during its own dishonest turn on immigration. But it’s another thing entirely when we start wielding that weapon against our own. That’s a riehl disappointment.
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We can’t handle the truth!
csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 1:32 PM
I was thinking the sasme thing. Except my ending is Fred!Fred!Fred!
Glynn on July 6, 2007 at 1:33 PM
The picture is creepy and the entire affair is stupid. It will not ‘buy’ votes.
I’ve never been ‘in love’ with Karen Hughes. This finished off the minimatessimal fraction which was left.
There should be complete separation of government and state in this country. Basta. They shouldn’t even have been there, all of them. It is one thing to invite Muslims to the WH for special dinners and it is something completely different to pretend to be one of them, on their own terms.
No one could force me, nor should they force any other women, to do or wear something with which they don’t feel comfortable. If Pelosi does it of her free will, go there. We can judge. I’d give up my job, any job, if it would fundamentally be in opposition of principles or beliefs.
I’m extremely worried about the separation of government and church, except when it comes to Muslims’ demands at airports, schools, libraries, etc. Either we have the separation, or we don’t. Beware the latter! The prayers in public schools in San Diego are a huge contention at the moment. These cases should be taken to the SCOTUS to be resolved for good, forever, and for all.
Entelechy on July 6, 2007 at 1:34 PM
Bush could have sent someone to this and satisfied the demands of protocol and avoided this kind of controversy. It hardly seems worth the time to drag all these officials to this ceremony.
see-dubya on July 6, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Exactly. The Country has proven it’s not ready yet. It will take something bigger than 9/11 to unite the country and hopefully the entire West. Until that time we fight where we can and do what we can without strengthening our enemy by uniting them.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 1:36 PM
It has taken almost 6 years for me to figure that out. Reading Robert Spencer’s blogs has show me that the Muslim faith is EXACTLY as you have described.
But, I’m up to speed now and I will not be fooled again.
csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 1:37 PM
Amen, Entelechy. For a “superpower” with the greatest of ideals, ideas, and everything else, we spend a lot of our time on our knees.
OT, but they keep diggin’ for crimes by U.S. Marines from 3 years ago, but still no mention in the MSM on Micheal Yon’s massacre by AQ reporting.
tomk59 on July 6, 2007 at 1:39 PM
The day I don any islamic symbol, head dress or any other Islamic garb is the day they have me bound and are cutting my throat. Bottom line.
These weak Americans, get a freaking clue.
americaslaststand on July 6, 2007 at 1:42 PM
No, I’m talking about the mosques in America. Don’t forget that lots of Muslims will be watching this… most of whom are “normal”… case in point: the ones I know personally. They may not even know all the details about CAIR and the Iraqi “Minutemen’s” adventures. All they see is a Bush admin people respecting the sanctity of a mosque.
What’s wrong with saying that there is sanctity in a mosque?
Re: your analogy with the gang colors… give me a break… as Chris Rock said: “black people are scared of n1gg4s too.”
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 1:42 PM
I should clarify – the prayers in the public school in San Diego are just for Muslims, not for all other religions.
Entelechy on July 6, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Pelosi made her own pilgrimage, under her own steam, and did her own kowtowing. These women are on the job. If one of them had started a big stink, refused to put on the hijab, and been kicked out? In front of all those cameras? How classy would that have made the entire Right look? (Admittedly, I’d be secretly thrilled, but that’s just me.) Not to mention, she’d have lost her job instantly.
And on that, we perfectly agree. Soon, soon. (Hopefully.)
Tanya on July 6, 2007 at 1:43 PM
I understand the sensitivities to certain kinds of speech. IE, during WWII we called the Japanese “Japs”. That word was used on HA in a thread and he was immediately banned. I don’t know if a derogatory word for these Muslims would be accepted on HA, but it isn’t important enough for me to test those waters.
For me, part of the attitude that allows you to see your enemy for what he is would be the acceptance of a label that is vitriolic and degrading in nature. For crying out loud, we are gonna kill these SOB’s, why is it a problem to use harsh derogatory language towards them also? So, yeah, we are not ready to fight this war to win. We (politicians and the anti-war Americans) want to cajole and massage egos until they see it our way.
csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 1:47 PM
LOL! Right. You’ve clearly been suggesting that Islam would rise and defeat us if we dare say anything (the truth) that might piss them off. Are you now claiming that’s not what you’re saying? I’d love to hear how my comments are misrepresenting your words.
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Well Bryan, I’m confused… should I learn Spanish or Arabic? (or both?)
ricer1 on July 6, 2007 at 1:50 PM
You are correct, slobs are slobs. However, I think this incident goes beyond that.
You show respect to these people and institutions who also respect you… nothing wrong with that at all. However, the extreme muslims have zero respect for us, and PC gestures such as our leaders just made are lost on these extremists in every way except they see it as a weakness on our part. Really, our leaders never should have been in that mosque, in that situation in the first place. That was where I was going with that.
4shoes on July 6, 2007 at 1:55 PM
You mean like the Mosque in Lodi, California? Or, mosques SUCH AS THIS?
Because it’s an oxymoron. Islam teaches violence, war, and murder. Islam IS the Qu’ran. While there may be Muslims who refuse to participate, there’s no denying what their “book” teaches, unless you completely ignore it’s contents.
I’m not getting your point. There are Muslims who are scared of radical Islamists too, but that doesn’t stop Bush from “showing them respect.” Is there a difference? Why are we showing ANY respect to an ideology of murder?
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 1:59 PM
I don’t think it will wake up. I think, as Steyn predicts, we’re going to see what we saw during the dark ages period in Europe: a return to feudalism.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:00 PM
Surveys have recently shown that at least 1 in 4 Islamic males between the ages of 25-60 support suicide bombing. Given the relatively small and cohesive size of the Islamic community in the U.S., it would be reasonable to assume that the other 75% quietly support the jihadists.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:03 PM
Islam is clearly the religion of peace.
2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Sunnis Alawites Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong
Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.
Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up in the sky
Say the salat, chop off Sunni head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.
Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!
The Koran tells me so.
MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 2:05 PM
I mean the vast majority of mosques (I know that the term “vast majority” is now ridiculed, but I’ll use it anyway). Like the kind of mosques where imams preach about everyday stuff, not political jihad and killing of infidels. They do exist, you know.
The jihadi Muslims won’t care even if Bush converts and prays to Mecca 5 times a day. So there’s no point trying to suck up to them by wearing a hijab. The target audience of this PR stunt is everyday Muslims… who may not even be religious.
For instance, I’m not religious, but I would be offended if someone said something bad about Judaism as a religion. I assume that assimilated Muslim people are the same.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:06 PM
I understand the worrying, but I honestly doubt that. It’s probably a normal distribution, so some 25% are sympathizers but non-violent, and the other 50% are either moderately anti-jihad or staunchly pro-American (obviously there’s a gradient.)
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:08 PM
The “sanctity of U.S. Mosques”
Here’s just a small sample:
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 2:10 PM
As PRCalDude just referred to, I don’t know if we’ll wake up either. I look at all the insanity and the suicidal political correctness of recent years, made even more insane when considering the situation we’re in, and I never would have believed any of it possible.
I stick by my personal prediction. If we’re ever to wake up and truly take the gloves off as if we fully realized our very survival is at stake, it will take at least two hits here- each one some degree worse than 9/11- to do it.
The first hit will be more of the same; politicians jockeying for position with the blame game while screeching “be nice. Islam is peace!!”.
The second will incite enough citizens to say “enough is enough!!”They will then demand blood with no quarter.
Too bad it would come to that, but in a nutshell, that’s where I see this going.
tomk59 on July 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Don’t mistake a military strategy of not uniting your enemy by watching your rhetoric, while actually fighting them on their own soil, with believing any of the nonsense of Islam being a RoP. Again, forget the rhetoric and watch the actions.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Really? And you know this to be a fact? How so?
Judaism does not preach the killing of non-believers. It does not preach world domination. It does not teach murder. Judaism is worthy of respect. Islam is worthy of nothing.
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 2:13 PM
This was a Rasmussen poll. Obviously, the pollsters are smart enough to poll enough people that the statistics conform to a normal distribution, according to the central limit theorem.
That said, if the population of Muslims in the U.S. is roughly 4 million, and the 25% actively support jihad, you have 1 million jihadists running around. Demographically, they grow faster than the infidel population as well. I’m not quite sure what your argument is.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM
You’re cherrypicking, dude. You can find a couple more of these things on Google. But I hope you recognize that these are isolated incidents.
Another thing: The mosque may be funded by the terrorist regime in Saudi Arabia, and the imams may be trying to export wahabi ideology, but (a) a minority of mosques are such, and (b) the crowds may not be receptive to the ideas.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:15 PM
No. Roughly 80% of the mosques in the United STates are funded by Saudi Arabia.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:18 PM
What Bush should have done was to go to the rededication ceremony of The Islamic Center in Washington, gone up to the podium and read from the Koran and the Hadith.
One sick disgusting passage after another, for say about 20 minutes and then walked out.
MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Are you simply making this stuff up? Have you spent much time in a Mosque? Have you read the Qur’an? I’m pretty sure I know the answer, so I’m curious to know what you’re basing your information on. You haven’t given us anything to back it up, other than what amounts to a ‘gut feeling’ of yours that all is peachy-keen in the world of Mosques.
The extensive reports contradict your gut feelings. Put simply … you’re flat out wrong.
Did you even read the report that I linked, or did you just read the title and get a gut feeling?
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 2:26 PM
I think you’ve misread the results.
25% do not “actively support jihad”. 25% are “ok with suicide bombings”, which does not necessarily mean that they are participants, or potential participants. I strongly support anti-terrorist ops by the IDF, but I’ve never participated in one, and likely never will. (I’m just using the IDF as an example… I hope you don’t think that I equate jihadis with the IDF.)
So within the 25% there is a smaller % that is actively participating (independently or by being an agent)… e.g. in propaganda, funding, etc. There are maybe (I’m guessing) up to 20,000 of them.
Then, within those, there are sleeper cells or domestic jihadis. There’s probably less than 1000 of them in the US.
My point is that we should worry about the “up to 20,000″ group, and let the security agencies deal with the “up to 1000″ group. The rest of that million… it’s still a scary number, but there’s 1 mil of them, and at least 100 mil of us (I’m not counting on the libs too much). That’s a 100-1 chance. And gestures like the one in the post are one way to reduce that 1 mil, and not get the other 3 mil to join that group.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Shouldn’t bodder-yah — if’n they were in a Catholic church, would it matter? It’s just respect, I tell ya.
Betcha they couldn’t wait to get out, though. ;-)
SJBill on July 6, 2007 at 2:32 PM
Jeeeze
I only wish the Bush Administration would do as much to appease the Republican Party.
franksalterego on July 6, 2007 at 2:33 PM
AlexB ,
He’s not cherrypicking.
For the sake of my children I wish he was.
I recognize your desire to defend friends that are Muslims. But is any unquestioning , robotic adherence to a religion that at it’s core advocates violence,and hatred truly faith?
The Koran leaves little room for interpretation.
I am afraid that examples of hypothetical Muslims who truly believe and have found a way to peacefully reconcile Western civiliation with the core beliefs of Islam are few and far between.
Silence is assent.
jadedinga on July 6, 2007 at 2:33 PM
TheBigOldDog- – “Don’t mistake a military strategy of not uniting your enemy by watching your rhetoric, while actually fighting them on their own soil, with believing any of the nonsense of Islam being a RoP. Again, forget the rhetoric and watch the actions.”
I think that Bush actually does believe that Islam is as peaceful as other religions and that it is just extremists who have somehow “hijacked” Islam. He has said that some many times in so many different ways over the years.
As for watching his actions, we can see that in his (how do I say this “diplomatically”?) “attempt” at turning Islamic Iraq into a democratic, rule of law, freedom loving tolerant nation.
I do believe that I understand the man.
MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 2:39 PM
Why don’t we just call it a draw and say that the actual number is unknown?
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:41 PM
I guess the implication here is that 80% of US Muslims are as good as the “magnificent 19″… I strongly disagree.
My opinions have been shaped by personal experience. I’ve had my schoolmates blown up in Tel Aviv, but I also know many Muslims that I went to school with, have worked with, have done some business with, etc.. I’ve seen the radicals, and I’ve seen the normals. The most radical ones are from the Muslim [or Middle Eastern] Student Union from my university. The rest are honest decent assimilated anti-jihadis. Some are not as assimilated because they’re new immigrants, and some hate Bush, but they are against jihad, out of principle.
Also, remember that being anti-Iraq war, does not mean being pro-terrorism. Polls have shown that over 65% of US Jews are against it. That means they proportionally are more anti-Iraq than the proportion of the general US population. If you hear a Muslim talking sh1t about Bush, or about America’s “war for oil”, they are not necessarily against America.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:43 PM
I apologize for posting first before reading the other comments, but #*$ this #@#8. Twice.
This is the same generation that gave us crap like “Hair?”
“No way will I ever cut my long-ass graying louse-infected hair just to please THE MAN, man!”
Hijab?
“Cool, man!”
saint kansas on July 6, 2007 at 2:47 PM
I agree with you there, but we don’t actually know how many are like the “magnificent 19.” We know that at least 1 million people believe suicide bombing is justified. What subset of that is actively working toward jihad? The poll doesn’t speak to that.
I don’t think the data supports that.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:48 PM
I’ll take that comment as an admission that the numbers are not as scary as you previously had believed ;-)
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:49 PM
I’m getting sick of the PC crap. And, can we fire Karen Hughes already? Geez.
CP on July 6, 2007 at 2:50 PM
Not at all. The number of jihadists is unknown. It could be greater than I asserted earlier. You only know that roughly 1 million people think suicide bombing is justified. I might add that what constitutes ‘justified’ in Islam is quite a bit different than in the Western mind.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:52 PM
I don’t think the data supports that.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:48 PM
I’m talking about personal experience here. But I’m sure you’ll agree that students are the most radical and easy-to-brainwash group of the population. You can see it in 1979 Iran, you can see it in Berkley and Kent State, you can see it in Concordia, and even at York… etc.
Also, most of the terrorists in the west have been university-age.
I haven’t read any stats re: which demographic is the most politically active or radical, but it’d be a pretty good guess that the 18-25 group is.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 2:54 PM
Do you know what taqiyya is?
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 2:56 PM
A relevant update to this news is from Dhimmiwatch:
Karen Hughes reveals her Islamic studies booklist:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010335.php
Hughes like the rest of the Bush administration simply doesn’t want to know the truth about Islam.
thuja on July 6, 2007 at 2:58 PM
Yes. It’s where a Muslim pretends to be against Islam to trick the infidel. So what of it?
The argument that the pro-west Muslims are practicing al-Taqiyya is as good as the fact (which I haven’t checked yet) that 80% of US mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia, which you agreed doesn’t tell you anything.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 3:01 PM
OT; Must see:Video: Glasgow Airport Jihad Doctor Arrests
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 3:02 PM
” isn’t this particular instance a little more like wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue or women wearing a hat in a Catholic church?”
Not really. Islam is a cult that has as it’s stated aim the conquest of the entire world in the name of Allah .Islam means SUBMISSION and kow-towing to Islam’s idiotic 7th Century practises is a form (in their eyes) of submission. Every day Islamic preachers and leaders incite hatred against America and the West. Islam treats it’s women as second class citizens – the hijab is a symbol of this. Islam means SUBMISSION and the wearing of the hijab is an acceptance of submission. Like it or not , Islam means to destroy us – it’s adherents have no choice in the matter – their God has commanded them that we infidels must all eventually submit, convert or die. They are using the billions of petro-dollars we have given them to help fund the death of our civilization. We all know that if they didn’t have the oil and Bush didn’t have his Saudi connections that known of this bowing and scraping to them would be happening.
London Boy on July 6, 2007 at 3:02 PM
Oops …that should read “that NONE of this bowing and scraping”..
London Boy on July 6, 2007 at 3:06 PM
Ignorance and pacifism is bliss. You must attend the University of AlexB.
Wade on July 6, 2007 at 3:11 PM
If you call Iraq and Afghanistan and all the other places we are killing Jihadists pacifism you must attend the Joseph Stalin school of military strategy.
The issue here is not if we should fight but how we should fight and if it makes sense for the POTUS to give fire and brimstone speeches about the ills of Islam when the country and the west is divided and not even close to ready for the all out war that would surely follow.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 3:19 PM
oh come on. Hughes isn’t wearing a Hijab. That’s not even a scarf. that’s more like a table napkin that she just unfolded and then stuck on her head.
Jewels on July 6, 2007 at 3:20 PM
Diana West -
Call it like it is
MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 3:22 PM
Stop it! You’re scaring me! We must run away! Don’t insult them! I still have nightmares of the Taliban Clerics in Afghanistan pumping their fists and claiming the U.S. was going to burn red with blood. Still waiting for that to happen.
TheBigOldDog can probably come out from under the bed now.
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 3:27 PM
Well we can follow your approach and do exactly as Osama bin Laden hopes and declare war on Islam and see how it turns out.
I prefer to tell them I love them well sending as many as possible to meet Allah. That subtly is lost on the simple minded.
TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 3:38 PM
The main reason the country and the west is divided is because our leaders refuse to educate the world as to the true nature of Islam and the reality of their intent. Instead, they choose to LIE to their citizens by telling them that Islam is a peaceful religion and even outlaw terms such as terrorist, Muslim, and Jihad and replace them with words such as hooligans. Our government also LIES to our citizens, telling us that there have been no terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 9/11, instead calling them “individual acts by mentally disturbed young Asian men.” Never mind that they were purposely targeting Jews and yelling “Allah is great” at the time of the murders.
Maybe we should just call them “darn little rascals.”
Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 3:42 PM
No.
Connie on July 6, 2007 at 3:42 PM
If only we had real leadership in this country.
V15J on July 6, 2007 at 3:50 PM
If all of Islam was at war with us you’d be looking at oil 10X – 100X it’s current price
Not for long. A few months at most, then all the previously uneconomical domestic wells would start pumping again, and we’d quickly Xerox the plans for the old Nazi synfuel plants and have a few up and running within a year.
Purple Avenger on July 6, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Put a hijab over this (_|_)
- The Cat.⌂
MirCat on July 6, 2007 at 3:55 PM
It’s already been 1400 years long. And don’t forget the reason America formed a navy. The Treaty of Tripoli was our first appeasement treaty with Muslims. Why else do you think “America is not a Christian country” would even have been inserted in that treaty? Do we put that in all treaties – or just in a treaty with Muslims so they will leave us alone?
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Bryan, I am as depressed as you. I tried very hard to give President Bush a pass on his domestic dealings with CAIR and other American Muslim groups. I thought he must be doing this because we have troops in Iraq and we are trying to “win hearts and minds.” It seemed foolhardy to put our troops under an even worse threat by denouncing Islam. I thought Bush must understand the truth, but is simply trying this inclusive strategy in order to subdue and diffuse radicalism. I really really kept trying to believe this, but after seeing this photo and reading about Hooper’s glee, the only conclusion left is that the President really does not know what he’s doing. Playing the nice card only gives the Islamists a win.
Connie on July 6, 2007 at 3:58 PM
Good luck on that liberal arts degree (no pun intended).
John from WuzzaDem on July 6, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Oh, and the band – can’t forget the band. Be sure to let us know where your next ‘gig’ is.
John from WuzzaDem on July 6, 2007 at 4:29 PM
There’s really no assertions to be made one way or another then. We don’t know how many will become violent. We don’t know how many support jihad through various Islamic ‘charities’ and we don’t know how many sympathizers there are. That’s the real problem here. The other problem is, we’re muzzled from even asking.
PRCalDude on July 6, 2007 at 4:35 PM
During WWII Tokyo Rose tried to demoralize our troops; now our mainstream media and liberal politicians are filling that role. Every time there’s a new terrorist plot, successful or not, Bush runs down to his local Mosque and stands reality on it’s head. The extents to which Bush and most of the rest of our Government and media have undertaken to deny the ideology of our enemy, in their attempt to avoid confronting it, is surreal.
Since shortly after 9/11 many people have spoken the obvious truth that failing to put an accurate name to the enemy precludes any possibility of victory. They were clearly right. Now we are seeing the results of that negligence and are beginning to pay the price.
And while Bush is playing nice with his local Wahhabi’s, our border remains virtually wide open throughout this conflict that he’s said will last for generations. Where Bush got the ridiculous notion that we have so much time, I have no idea, but it now appears clear that at least for the time being this conflict, woefully incomplete as it is, is nearing it’s end.
It’s not over; the Jihad will continue on whether we acknowledge its existence or not.
The paper tiger that Bin Laden spoke of has stalked it’s pray and having never found it, it’s now mewing and preening its fur in preparation for a nap. I only hope that before it’s too late we are able to identify and emplace leadership in this country and in the west who is capable of or willing to understanding what is at stake.
FloatingRock on July 6, 2007 at 4:43 PM
Surely one of the reasons that America helped overcome fascism in Europe and almost single-handedly defeated global communism was that people knew what the enemy was. The political elite and most of the MSM made people very well aware of the horrors of what the Nazis and the Soviets were doing in the name of their ideologies. Yet Islam is as great a threat (if not more so given the number of it’s followers) than either the Soviets or the Nazis and yet our politicians and MSM refuse to expose the evil that islam represents. The great mass of Western society has been left in the dark or led astray by the likes of Bush & Blair who bang on about “the Religion Of Peace.”
Did Churchill describe the Nazis as the “Party For German Rights” , did Reagan call the Soviets “The Movement for Global Equality” ?? No, they called the enemies what they were and let us know what victory for those enemies would mean for our freedoms. The battle for hearts and minds against fascism and communism meant spelling out to Joe Public just how twisted those movements were – why aren’t our current leaders doing the same about islam. Everyone should know what the TRUE goals of Islam are, everyone should know what the Koran thinks of “infidels”. The cult has to be ridiculed, exposed, torn apart as fascism & communism were and then our people would understand why we have to fight. The pathetic appeasement tactics by the likes of Hughes, Bush and our MSM are a betrayal of our civilisation.
London Boy on July 6, 2007 at 4:51 PM
The fight against Global Jihad and the Shamnesty Debate are two sides of a new political axis – a pincer movement if you like between liberal utopians and big business. Liberal utopians don’t want external enemies – therefore the Jihad is “Just a bumper sticker”, big business don’t want to upset the Saudis hence Bush grovelling to the “Religion Of Peace”. Liberal utopians don’t believe in borders “we’re all human beings, baby” while big business doesn’t believe in borders because it needs cheap labor to increase it’s profit margins.
For the first time in history the radical left and big business are in agreement
but that agreement puts America and the West in grave danger. The vast majority of the public are caught between the pincers of the utopians and the corporations – who, outside of the blogosphere, will speak for us ?
London Boy on July 6, 2007 at 5:02 PM
So ask them which party they will support in ‘08. Then ask them why.
Connie on July 6, 2007 at 5:12 PM
Alex, I think you need to spend more time reading at U.S. and Canadian Muslim forums – both Shia and Sunni. The hate is incredible. Especially toward Jews. These are forums with more than 20-30,000 members. You’ll also find American leftists in these forums pushing anti-Americanism and anti-semitism. Read some of the writings of the imams/sheikhs who speak at colleges and universities. Read David Horowitz and see what he is trying to do to counter this type of jihad,
Connie on July 6, 2007 at 5:21 PM
Damn, I hate Bush!
warpmine on July 6, 2007 at 5:48 PM
If these officials have husbands, and I was their husband, I would have said:
“This is America, and you’re not a Muslim. Put that hijab away.”
“But I might offend their sensitivities!”
“Hey, these are sympathizers with the people whp flew planes into our buildings, the only gesture we should be giving them is a nice big cup of shut the **** up.”
BKennedy on July 6, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Pfffft! Gutless, spineless appeasement monkeys.
Beehive hairdo’s tube tops and hot pants.
While drinking a beer and eating a ham sandwich.
Respect is a two way street and until Moslem’s start respecting my friggin’ culture they can plant a long loving smooch on my butt.
G-man on July 6, 2007 at 6:16 PM
It’s irrelevant which party they support, as long as they support a party and participate in the American process, as opposed to violently reject it.
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 6:20 PM
I agree with you. I’ve been following forums for years. But by your own numbers, there are 20-30K users. Some are LLLs, some are opposite voices… let’s say 20K of them are crazies. No… let’s double or tripple that number. 60K. That makes the other 940,000 not so bad. We can’t paint the 940K (plus the other 3M) with the same brush that we paint the 60K crazies… can we?
AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 6:26 PM
I don’t have a problem with this. Those women just covered their heads out of respect. That look would get you in trouble in Tehran. They look much better than Pelosi did.
Now that the Pope is bringing back the Latin Mass, women might have to cover their heads again to attend Mass if he has his way.
Hening on July 6, 2007 at 7:09 PM
So what you’re saying is, we shouldn’t distrust “moderate Muslims,” even though every single solitary Muslim country on the face of the earth has been silent on the UK terror bombings, were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.
But lets not condemn the people too cowardly to fight their leaders in government… that sharia is coming along just fine, even with the massive resistance being put up around the world.
Lets just face the music. Muslims oppose global jihad like Germans opposed Nazism or Russians opposed Communism. There were only a few dissenters who mostly ended up dead.
BKennedy on July 6, 2007 at 7:12 PM
Because of that same rhetoric the American people are disoriented and confused about what is going on in the world Instead of trying to figure out the discrepancy between the rhetoric of our leaders and reality, many American’s have just given up trying, if they ever began. It’s the job of our leaders to clearly define the enemy so that the American people can get behind the effort. Without it, people lose sight of the goal.
If we, “watch the actions”, of the Bush administration and consider the turn it has taken over the past few months, I think we see the results of the disunity that results from poor leadership.
FloatingRock on July 6, 2007 at 7:23 PM
Funny thing is, with regard to the immigration issues impacting the terrorism issues… it is “us” that have been defined as the enemy by our leadership because we refuse to support the ‘Shamnesty’ travesty.
{sigh}
Lawrence on July 6, 2007 at 7:42 PM
INPS!
SilverStar830 on July 6, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Are you ignorant or just need to learn to read. YOU ARE THE PACIFIST
Wade on July 6, 2007 at 8:19 PM
The islamic world, as personified by the islamic mind set, can be cowed by defying it. History shows that when the West has retreated, or pulled its punches with the islamic world, the islamic world sees that as a sign of weakness. When we have struck hard, and I mean hard, they respect that as a sign of strength. When an arab perceives weakness, he capitalizes like a vulture. When he sees strength, he takes stock. This is why it is not possible to win hearts & minds in Iraq. When we give free goods and services to the muslim masses, they perceive that as a form of jizya, the historical tribute that infidels must pay to muslims. They also see it, and politically correct talk from the West, as a sign of subservience to muslim hegemony. Seeing the leader of the free world claiming islam as a religion of peace fills them with bravado, it is a sign that allah is on their side, that providence is theirs, that they have brought the infidels low. It fills them with the confidence needed to continue the jihad with ever greater enthusiasm. We need to denounce them, and when they protest, we need to protest in protest. As said in the movie, The Untouchables, they send one of ours to the hospital, we send two of theirs to the morgue. Treat islam, not with kid gloves, but with the Chicago way, and you will have a much more passive arab population.
Saudi Arabia, the largest oil exporter to the States, supplies only 11.5 % of America’s daily oil consumption. Canada alone supplies 18%. There are proven deposits in the Gulf of Mexico and the Carribean sea to equal that 11.5% and then some. All it takes is the political will to drill. To appease the Saudi regime, and to therefore continue to support the funding of worldwide terrorism simply to “keep the gas stations open” is not only an illogical premise when you consider these facts, but also needless and fatally dangerous, and ultimately, non-productive. The instability in the islamic world itself adds a 50% speculators’ premium at the pump.
Nothing good comes from appeasing the arabs, befriending the Saudis, or whitewashing their behavior in public. There is no political calculus to justify it. We just embolden the jihad with one hand, while financing it with the other.
jihadwatcher on July 6, 2007 at 9:38 PM
I do not paint “all Muslims” with any brush other than that which makes them similar. There is a problem with Islam. It is Islam per the Qur’an that has been a problem since its creation. Find me Muslims who understand that it is their own religion that has caused them to be intellectually stagnant. It is their own religion that oppresses them. One cannot believe in the Qur’an and the Bill of Rights at the same time.
Imams will tell you that Islam respects other religions. It is a lie. Islam is a supremacist ideology which seeks to supplant all other religions in any way it can. Do some Muslims respect other religions? Perhaps. But I would suggest that those who do are marginal Muslims – Muslim by birth, but not in practice.
Connie on July 6, 2007 at 10:53 PM
This is another slap in the face to the rest of us from this administration. When will the pandering to the “Religion of Perpetual Outrage” end. I guess my entire family and I are now racists (religion not a race) and bigots (because we believe only in legal immigration and assimilation to American culture) by the Bush administration standards.
KC-135A on July 6, 2007 at 10:54 PM
hijab + cleavage = wardrobe malfunction
The Race Card on July 6, 2007 at 11:03 PM
It looks to me like the women have just slung a scarf over their heads – I mean it’s not exactly full niqab & hijab.
If there was a religious ceremony, then that’s okay. I mean I’d expect them the men to wear at hat at a Jewish funeral or marriage.
If it’s just a secular thing, then yeah – it stinks.
uptight on July 7, 2007 at 1:45 AM
She’s a hotty. She’s got a ’sensual Grace Kelly at fascist Muslim event and not happy to be there’ thing goin’ on.
Hening on July 7, 2007 at 8:11 AM
What would have been nice is if the ladies would have pulled the scarves off, removed Bic lighters from their purses, lighted the flames, held it under the scarves and yelled “Jesus Jesus Jesus.” Then, blow out the flames, folded the scarves and placed the lighters and scarves in their purses. What a missed opportunity.
Alas, they are sellouts to Bush’s saudi sweethearts.
saved on July 7, 2007 at 8:22 AM
This is beyond disgusting to me. WHO is advising Bush on this exactly? I suspect Linda Chavez and Mel Martinez are behind the immigration debacle, but who is advising THIS disgrace?
CrimsonFisted on July 7, 2007 at 11:49 AM
I’m with you, Bryan. If they think that coddling “moderate” Muslims will: a)inspire the moderates to rise up and act against their jihadist bretheren, or b)curry favor with the terrorists, I can only assume that my President is back on the bottle.
D2Boston on July 7, 2007 at 1:27 PM
You’re talking about the ideology. I’m talking about the people.
I’ll use myself as an example again: some passages in the Talmud talk about the goyyim in a pretty bad way. Just because I’m Jewish doesn’t mean I will follow the Talmud to the letter and treat non-Jews poorly.
Kofi Anna said: “there’s nothing wrong with the faith, it’s the faithful that are the problem”. I think he got it backwards. Islam is pretty hardcore, and jihadi ideology is even worse. But the followers (most) aren’t that bad.
AlexB on July 7, 2007 at 2:42 PM
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