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posted at 8:51 am on July 6, 2007 by Bryan
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We’ve arrived at yet another teachable moment in the war. The West has been distracted for years by the leftwing shibboleth that poverty and adverse conditions, as opposed to a religion and an ideology, are at the roots of terrorism. Those doctors who plotted to blow up London and the Glasgow airport provide powerful evidence to the contrary: It’s not the poverty, stupid. A savvy administration that actually knows how to lead could have used this moment to remind us all that it’s the ideology that drives the enemy in this war, and that the doctors are just the latest in a long string of evidence to that effect. Starting with millionaire Osama bin Laden and working through Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri to several of the 9-11 hijackers and on to these doctors, an awful lot of terrorists come from middle class or better backgrounds, and are professionals. They’re not poor in anything but their humanity. But what did the Bush administration do instead? Agh. It dispatched several of its top lights off to the nearest mosque. I realize, not in direct response to anything in particular, but it just doesn’t look good. And after seeing this, I need a vacation.

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Senior White House staff members attend the rededication ceremony of The Islamic Center in Washington June 27, 2007. From L-R are: Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Frances Townsend, White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, and Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Karen Hughes. REUTERS/Larry Downing (UNITED STATES)

Thaaat’s right. That’s two of our top officials donning hijabs, in effect genuflecting to a religion they don’t believe in for the sake of diplomacy. They’re not doing this on foreign soil, where it’s at least arguably defensible. They’re down the street from the White House.

Want to know a little more about the event they were attending? Steve Emerson looked into it and didn’t like what he found.

An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.

Further, the source told me, “We desperately need to know what radical Islamists are doing in this country” and he was “shocked and surprised to learn that the White House would not take greater care of who was vetted to this event,” adding, “this was not your typical Rotary Club invitation.” The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak, and the Islamic Center ceremony was no exception. Additionally, the White House was warned by a senior government official that it was making a huge national security error in not vetting those in attendance at the mosque. A White House liaison has told me in the past that CAIR has been barred from attending White House events on national security grounds.

And on cue, CAIR is playing up spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s attendance at the speech and taking full advantage of its presence to insinuate itself into the President’s agenda.

Very nice. CAIR, recently discredited by being an unindicted co-conspirator in terror financing and by the fact that is has fewer members than the average gym, is back in the saddle again.

The symbolism of this won’t be lost on our enemies and it won’t be lost on fence-sitters who are wondering who will turn out to be the strong horse. It won’t win any friends among the “moderates” and won’t soothe a single one of the savages.

After the immigration fight and now seeing the picture above and reading about what when on in that event, this may be the last straw for me. Seriously. This administration just can’t lead, or won’t lead, or when it does decide to lead, the direction it wants to go doesn’t make much sense. It is making it harder and harder to support them, even while I recognize that as far as war leadership goes, they’re the only game in town. We need them to be strong, wise and agile, but at this point expecting any of that is a little like expecting the Baltimore Orioles to win the AL East. You can hope for it all you want, but it just ain’t gonna happen.

Update: I see a little pushback in the comments, as to why this incident is such a bad thing. Well, in isolation it’s not. But this isn’t an isolated incident. This administration, our best dog in the fight against radical Islam, is in many respects out of sorts. If it’s not trotting down to the mosque, with CAIR slipping in the back way to make itself relevant again, it’s letting Wahhabis control who can become a Muslim chaplain in the military, and it’s letting CAIR control government “sensitivity” training, and it’s the DHS head announcing to the world that we can’t and won’t secure the nation’s border, and it’s administration officials allowing themselves to be photographed appearing to kowtow to Islamic sensibilities. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has a lot to say about image and symbolism, but evidently she and others like her–who know what they’re talking about from personal experience–aren’t being listened to.

As with all wars, symbols are important. But this is especially true in the Muslim mind which is governed by a rigid code of honor and shame. In this context symbols are not just images, but a matter of life and death. He who stands by and watches as his symbols are trashed has lost his honor.

The honor-and-shame code affects all Muslim societies from top to bottom – family, tribe and the Umma, or the Muslim nation. An insider who breaches this code, which is Salman Rushdie’s great “crime,” must be put to death. He shamed Muslims in two very serious ways: He left Islam, and he insulted Islam’s infallible founder.

She’s talking about Muslims who burned effigies of the Queen and Salman Rushdie in Pakistan, but it’s the talk of symbolism that’s the takeaway. Images are more important than words in this war. That iconic image from Abu Ghraib has done more damage than a hundred great articles or speeches can fix, no matter that Abu Ghraib didn’t reflect administration policy at all. The above image won’t do anything like that kind of damage, but it won’t help anything. Townsend and Hughes just look craven and clueless, like they’re trying and failing to appease Islamic sensibilities. And the failure to vet the crowd and keep the likes of CAIR out is another sign of cluelessness. To me it’s all just one more sign that they really don’t understand the war at a very fundamental level. Google any of Karen Hughes’ speeches over the past couple of years wrt Islam and you’ll see what I mean.

On the one hand, we allow our images to be defaced and burned and destroyed and we do nothing about it, other than to trot out the nonsense about a “tiny minority” being behind the all the problems. On the other hand, our own leaders adopt albeit briefly the images of Islam. We end up looking weak, lacking confidence in our own ideals, and ready to submit to the nearest imam. That’s not the image we ought to project.

Update: Daniel Pipes comments. I guess he’s a bigot, too.

It’s bad enough that the left trots out the bigot hammer against us every day. It’s bad enough that that the Bush administration slung it at us during its own dishonest turn on immigration. But it’s another thing entirely when we start wielding that weapon against our own. That’s a riehl disappointment.


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But what did the Bush administration do instead? Agh. It dispatched several of its top lights off to the nearest mosque.

Bryan, don’t you need a hyphen between “lights” and “off”? heh. Just saying…

jaime on July 6, 2007 at 8:57 AM

Can we just move on to Tuesday? Because Monday’s not off to a good start.

amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 8:57 AM

An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.

Faulty Intelligence. Sickening, indeed.

kcluva on July 6, 2007 at 9:01 AM

Having CAIR train TSA security people, the Dubai Ports fiasco and now….

Buzzy on July 6, 2007 at 9:02 AM

How absolutely disgusting.

Mr. Bingley on July 6, 2007 at 9:03 AM

Both Townsend and Hughes look none too happy about donning those scarfs…

JetBoy on July 6, 2007 at 9:03 AM

And I salute those women sitting behind those quislings who aren’t wearing it.

Mr. Bingley on July 6, 2007 at 9:04 AM

Chertoff was not available for comment as it has nothing to do with lettuce.

Wade on July 6, 2007 at 9:08 AM

What more proof do we need that the Bush administration is a bunch of dhimmis from the start? Enough new tone already.

Valiant on July 6, 2007 at 9:10 AM

Game. Set. Match.

robblefarian on July 6, 2007 at 9:10 AM

Is the entire room leaning left?

subbottomfeeder on July 6, 2007 at 9:11 AM

After a decent start in 2001 (pre- 9/11), and an appropriate response to 9/11 (in Afghanistan), followed by a less-than-successful follow-up (in Iraq), the Bush Administration seems to have gone into its dotage.

The objective of President Bush’s second term seems to have been to “try to get along with everybody”. Even or especially people we should have no interest whatever in “getting along with”. (Try to visualize FDR or Harry Truman trying to “get along with” Tojo or Hitler after Pearl Harbor. No, I can’t picture it, either.) This looks like more of the same.

If I’d wanted an Administration determined to “get along with everybody, at any cost” (to us), I had two chances, in 2000 and 2004, with AlGore From The Planet Eco (MK II) and John F-for-Fool Kerry. And each time, I voted for the other guy. And so did a majority of the American people. Which is why neither of these two losers is sitting in the Oval Office now.

This should have given the President some clue, I’d have thought. Along the lines of, “Don’t do what your opponents would do if they were in your place.”

Apparently, he’s not getting the message.

I’m beginning to wonder if trying to explain it to him is worth the effort.

cheers

eon

eon on July 6, 2007 at 9:11 AM

Yea – it was rhetorical……

subbottomfeeder on July 6, 2007 at 9:11 AM

What’s the big deal? Politicians pandering to a religious group? Isn’t it the same as when Bush or Clinton visits a southern Baptist church? Personally, they all make me sick.

revolutionismyname on July 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

…but at this point expecting any of that is a little like expecting the Baltimore Orioles to win the AL East. You can hope for it all you want, but it just ain’t gonna happen.

There is no team but the Red Sox, and Papi is their messenger.

flipflop on July 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

It’s bad enough that they did this, but what’s the point in wearing the head scarf thingy while wearing a cross and letting the fun bags get some air? Do these people just show up with no thought for the consequences of their actions?

csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 9:14 AM

This is disgusting.

“Please, Mr. Terrorist, murder me last!”

Hobbie on July 6, 2007 at 9:17 AM

As much as I dislike the way we have fallen over ourselves to avoid stating the obvious (not all Muslims are terrorists, BUT almost all terrorists are Muslim), isn’t this particular instance a little more like wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue or women wearing a hat in a Catholic church?

Longhorn Six on July 6, 2007 at 9:18 AM

This will be a long war. We can’t even guess at who wins until we know who’s fighting. The jihadis have already split Spain off from us and are working hard on Great Britain. The leadership of the our Congress has already been split off from the President.

Bush is not very good(ok abysmal)at explaining himself but trying to split some of the Muslim world off from the jhhadies is a good thing.

TunaTalon on July 6, 2007 at 9:19 AM

what would bryan say if condi donned a headcovering to enter an ultra orthadox synagogue…oh thats right no women allowed.

zane on July 6, 2007 at 9:20 AM

When did they hire Nifong?

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:21 AM

Wasn’t it obvious right after 9/11 that Bush was wrong headed in his interpretation of islamism? No, terrorists didn’t hijack a peaceful religion and we all know it. Islam is a violent religion with a violent past, present and future. I scratched my wooden head at those remarks and the pandering that occurred from day one.

pistolero on July 6, 2007 at 9:23 AM

Mr. Bingley on July 6, 2007 at 9:04 AM

Ditto.

revolutionismyname on July 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

The Baptist church events aren’t being taken part by terrorist-funding organizations. Furthermore, the Baptist church doesn’t demand you change your dress style. The other thing is, the terrorists we’re fighting, want us dead because we’re free and we’re infidels. Administration officials then go on to a mosque, and wear a hijab.

amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 9:25 AM

Bush officials don the hijab

…and effectively wave the flag of truce capitulation.

Lawrence on July 6, 2007 at 9:26 AM

zane on July 6, 2007 at 9:20 AM

Can you produce a long list of terrorist attacks against America, which were initiated by Orthodox Jews? How many Orthodox Jews are attempting to kill us, because we’re not Orthodox Jews?

amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 9:28 AM

…isn’t this particular instance a little more like wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue or women wearing a hat in a Catholic church?

Longhorn Six on July 6, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. An administration official wearing a hijab in a mosque doesn’t bother me nearly as much as that administration extending a hand of “understanding” to the Muslim Brotherhood and creating a special envoy to travel to OIC meetings.

Let’s focus on the real issues, not this symbolic cr&p.

kayawanee on July 6, 2007 at 9:28 AM

kayawanee on July 6, 2007 at 9:28 AM

Except in Islam, symbolic cr&p is everything.

amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 9:31 AM

It’s bad enough that they did this, but what’s the point in wearing the head scarf thingy while wearing a cross and letting the fun bags get some air? Do these people just show up with no thought for the consequences of their actions?

csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 9:14 AM

So true. Perhaps they really are just clueless.

Zetterson on July 6, 2007 at 9:31 AM

Just like the terrorists didn’t randomly attack us. They chose our centers of economy, defense, and we’ll never know the third. All symbolic.

amerpundit on July 6, 2007 at 9:32 AM

pistolero on July 6, 2007 at 9:23 AM

You’ve got to put yourself in his shoes with his responsibilities. The minute he is seen as “attacking” Islam the gas station closes. When the gas station closes this economy crashes. The entire 1970s were an economic nightmare because of what happened in 1973 and 1979. No President wants a repeat of that.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:33 AM

i am a christopher hitchens variety atheist – i think its all mumbo jumbo BS. That said whats the diff with women wearing head scarves in a mosque vs. male politicians wearing yamulkes in a temple?

that said i would have had more respect for them if they refused to go at all until the muslim “community” cleaned up their 7th century act.

politicians have been pandering to religious customs for years.

ming666 on July 6, 2007 at 9:34 AM

Both Townsend and Hughes look none too happy about donning those scarfs…

JetBoy on July 6, 2007 at 9:03 AM

yes, but they did it didn’t they? disgusting.

ophelia on July 6, 2007 at 9:36 AM

It’s bad enough that they did this, but what’s the point in wearing the head scarf thingy while wearing a cross and letting the fun bags get some air? Do these people just show up with no thought for the consequences of their actions?

csdeven on July 6, 2007 at 9:14 AM

On top of that, their hair is showing, so they’re not even wearing it properly.

Esthier on July 6, 2007 at 9:37 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:33 AM

We have plenty of oil reserves and refining capability if we pursue it. This administration is a dismal failure on energy policy and just about everything else.

Valiant on July 6, 2007 at 9:39 AM

this isn’t the first time, Condi and Laura Bush have both been photo’d wearing one in the past. It was dug up by the nutroots when the Pelosi hijab thing happened.

jp on July 6, 2007 at 9:39 AM

As much as I dislike the way we have fallen over ourselves to avoid stating the obvious (not all Muslims are terrorists, BUT almost all terrorists are Muslim), isn’t this particular instance a little more like wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue or women wearing a hat in a Catholic church?

Longhorn Six on July 6, 2007 at 9:18 AM

Good point!

It depends on whether or not the item in question carries a religious symbolism. A yarmulke does. A Muslim headscarf does. But a hat or head covering in a Christian church carries no specific religious symbolism.

We don’t wear hats in church primarily because western culture considers it rude, a sign of disrespect, to wear hats in-doors.

Muslim culture considers it rude not to wear a headscarf, which doesn’t mean we shouldn’t wear them. However a woman’s Muslim headscarf also carries the religious based message that women are inferior to men.

In the current global crisis involving Muslim terrorists non-Muslims really should not wear them. It is also an insult to Muslims for non-Muslims to mock their traditions, such as we are doing when our government officials wear Muslim religious headgear for purposes of political obeisance.

Lawrence on July 6, 2007 at 9:39 AM

Off with their heads!

Just satire – okay?

On-my-soap-box on July 6, 2007 at 9:41 AM

Wow. Karen Hughes…breakin’ my heart. I’ll still show up on election day and pull the right levers though they’re makin’ it harder and harder.

Rudy!Rudy!Rudy!

LtE126 on July 6, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Eh – I see more manners than anything – Ladies wearing a hat in a Catholic church, or a below the knee dress when they get an audience with the pope, even if they are not Catholic.

I’ll take my shoes off in your house if you are Korean-American and invite me in.

I’ll take my hat OFF in church, and AT THE DINNER TABLE, even in a diner.

I had to wear a tie when I met Barbara Bush.

If they wore them all the time, its a different matter, but this is just being polite.

Wander on July 6, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Valiant on July 6, 2007 at 9:39 AM

Ya, good luck filling your tank or getting electricity from it or making any plastic from it in the next decade.

This country is not ready for a President to tell the “truth.” The “truth” means going to war with Islam across the board.

The truth means enormous economic hardship for the whole country and the world.

The truth means lots of acts of terrorism inside the US.

The Country is not ready for the “truth” when we can’t even agree to finish the job in Iraq.

Be careful what you wish for. You may just get it.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:52 AM

PS-

These people kill over cartoons. What do you all think they’ll do when the President of the United States tells the “truth?”

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Think this is bad – wait until Hillary is elected and you’ll the freaking President of the United States of America wearing the same silly towel. That will be a teachable moment but it won’t be a lesson we’ll like.

Thomas the Wraith on July 6, 2007 at 9:54 AM

Definetly with you on the manners thing. At this time I don’t think we want to look like we want to play ball with these animals. I think they laugh at this stuff, and turn around and try to hammer us again. Quick manners story…on my job (FD), if you sat down at the dinner table with a hat on, your old Irish Captain would come over and smack you in the back of the head and say “get that f—-n’ hat off! No hats at MY f—-n’ table!” And you took off the hat. And kept it off. Not today. If I went over and smacked one of these new kids in the head they’d try to get me written up for physical violence. Aaaah I miss the old days, there was a level of respect, and giving/getting that respect was one of the cool things about the job.

LtE126 on July 6, 2007 at 10:08 AM

I have no problem with them wearing the thing on the head. If I entered a Catholic Church or synagogue, I would also don a head covering.

However, I do object to them going to this ceremony. I am sick of officials kowtowing to muslims.

Blake on July 6, 2007 at 10:12 AM

yeah to be completely absolutely fair I used to visit a monastery outside of Austin to buy handmade incense and other crafts made by the monks, and I had to cover my hair before I went in. I’m not Catholic but they made really beautiful things, it was worth it. The difference is I could take it off as soon as I left, and these monks weren’t preaching war and planning on taking over the world lol. They contented themselves with making arts and crafts

Keli on July 6, 2007 at 10:16 AM

. . . isn’t this particular instance a little more like wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue or women wearing a hat in a Catholic church?

Longhorn Six on July 6, 2007 at 9:18 AM

I agree completely.

Sometimes “Hot Air” needs to cool off a little.

Labamigo on July 6, 2007 at 10:19 AM

Bryan, I think you are correct to register outrage at the Administration’s failure to do their homework and properly vet the attendees and sponsors of the event.

But I think you’re off on the headcovering thing. I’ve worn a yarmulke at many a wedding and barmitzvah, even though I’m a protestant. If my wife and I were invited to a moderate Muslim friend’s wedding, I’m sure she’d wear a head scarf inside the mosque. It’s just polite.

The key is knowing who the moderate Muslims are these days. Unfortunately that just got a lot harder courtesy of the British jihad-docs.

Anton on July 6, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Forgot to add to my other post: The outrage here is not the headscarves, though they are very symbolic, the outrage is that they’re even there – appease appease appease

Keli on July 6, 2007 at 10:25 AM

One of the teachings of Paul is to honor the cultural practices of one whose geust you are. That would justify the wearing of whatever was proper attire.

Having said that, Paul also taught to avoid the appearance of evil, and to not have anything to do with the works of the devil. That would require the true believer to not attend anything honoring islam.

I doubt anyone from the adminstration would show for the dedication of The Baptist Center of Washington.

Sensei Ern on July 6, 2007 at 10:40 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:52 AM

You are right- we are 10 years away from effectively using our domestic oil. Bush came in knowing this and in 7 years achieved absolutely nothing. If he fought as hard for this as he did for open borders, we might not be funding terrorism at the pump today.

Valiant on July 6, 2007 at 10:47 AM

In washington? Can I get a “WTF”?

Static on July 6, 2007 at 10:47 AM

It is making it harder and harder to support them, even while I recognize that as far as war leadership goes, they’re the only game in town. We need them to be strong, wise and agile

But that’s just it. They’re NOT strong, wise, OR agile in fighting this war. I’m 100% for fighting this war, but one would expect us to make an attempt at winning it, and so far this administration has made us look like fools.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 10:51 AM

On top of that, their hair is showing, so they’re not even wearing it properly.

Esthier on July 6, 2007 at 9:37 AM

Good point. Between that and the stony frowns, you can almost see the thought bubble: “OK, I’ll haphazardly drape a scarf over my head, but this is not my hijab.”

RushBaby on July 6, 2007 at 10:51 AM

Yep — WTF?!

Dhimmi Culture spreads further. Funny, I was read the David Pugnatious column and his line “I can think of lots of people to blame for the current polarization, but that’s not the point”, and I got off on a little daydream about what civil liberties would be lost in an effort to truly root out the Islamists in our midst. Periodic raids and searches of private residences and businesses, and body searches — all targeting Muslims, natch.

And I laughed at myself. As if.

Jaibones on July 6, 2007 at 10:54 AM

Valiant on July 6, 2007 at 10:47 AM

The Democrats won’t let us drill in Alaska or off the Coasts. The President of the United States is not a dictator. He can’t act unilaterally.

Unfortunately it is going to take something bigger than 9/11 to wake up the whole nation and allow the tings that must be done like drilling, building new nuclear plants and refinery capacity. Until then, options are limited.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 10:54 AM

The President of the United States is not a dictator. He can’t act unilaterally.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 10:54 AM

Errr … you haven’t been paying attention lately. THIS President seems to disagree with you.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 10:56 AM

I swear to Christ I’m going to become a Muslem while there’s still time!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on July 6, 2007 at 10:57 AM

If we were a united country like we were in WWII we could have oil flowing and refineries built in no time. Then we’d be in a much better position to tell the muslims where to go.

Yeah. That’s fantasyland.

pistolero on July 6, 2007 at 11:00 AM

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:33 AM

Proof that God has a sense of irony. Not only do we have to bend over for the Middle East lube job, we’re paying them for the lube.

infidel4life on July 6, 2007 at 11:00 AM

They shouldn’t be there. The event should be outlawed.

congsan on July 6, 2007 at 11:23 AM

You’ve got to put yourself in his shoes with his responsibilities. The minute he is seen as “attacking” Islam the gas station closes. When the gas station closes this economy crashes. The entire 1970s were an economic nightmare because of what happened in 1973 and 1979. No President wants a repeat of that.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:53 AM

So you suggest we kiss their ass and go cower and quiver in a corner? Please tell me you are being sarcastic with your posts.

Wade on July 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

If you sup with the devil, bring a long spoon.

And hijab.

profitsbeard on July 6, 2007 at 11:34 AM

The minute he is seen as “attacking” Islam the gas station closes.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 9:53 AM

This is absurd. So let me get this straight. If we piss off Muslims, they’ll close all the gas stations? WTF?! Or are you suggesting that they’ll jack up the price? Either way, you’re basically suggesting that we live at the mercy of Muslims in this country.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 11:38 AM

Wade on July 6, 2007 at 11:26 AM

No. You do what you can (like Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Horn of Africa, all the covert actions, etc) while watching your rhetoric. You don’t do anything that will unite your enemy or give them a reason to cutoff the lifeblood of the global economy simply to feel good about “telling the truth.”

What do you think would happen if any President of the United States gave a speech telling the “truth” about Islam?

The Saudis and every other Muslim OPEC member would shut off the oil within days. If they didn’t, their own populations would overthrow them and do it for them. The global economy would crash.

Look what these people did over some cartoons. What do you think they’d do if the President of the United States essentially told the truth about Islam (in their eyes, decalring war)? They’d be terrorist attacks inside the US and against US interests across the globe.

What’s the chances Musharraf would survive very long? What are the chances their nukes would fall into the hands of people who believe they are in a war with the US?

Again, the American people have shown they are not ready for all out war. They have shown they are not ready to have the truth spoken openly.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 11:41 AM

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 11:38 AM

By gas stations I mean the oil. Hello…Were you alive in 1973?

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 11:42 AM

What do you think they’d do if the President of the United States essentially told the truth about Islam (in their eyes, decalring war)? They’d be terrorist attacks inside the US and against US interests across the globe.

What’s the chances Musharraf would survive very long? What are the chances their nukes would fall into the hands of people who believe they are in a war with the US?

Again, the American people have shown they are not ready for all out war. They have shown they are not ready to have the truth spoken openly.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 11:41 AM

First off, Islam is already at war with us. Nothing we say is going to cause them to go to war … more than they already are. They already want us dead. They’re already doing everything they can to kill us. You make is sound as though, if they were to choose, they could rise up and defeat us if they simply get pissed enough. If this were true, it would have already happened.

Second, they need the west much more than we need them. While they might have the oil, we have the money to purchase it. If they do as you suggest, and simply stop selling it to us … they starve. It’s not realistic. This is a concept our leaders have failed to grasp. Instead, we pay their prices, when we should be naming our price and saying take it or leave it.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 11:49 AM

TheBigOldDog-

You don’t have to attack overtly ore crudely.

But there is nothing wrong with asking for a reform of the violent suras out of the Koran… through a peaceful reinterpretation to neuter their homicidal call.

And the phrase “Islamofascists” is accurate for who it names.

Bid Laden and his demented ilk are theocratic fascists. Islam is their theology.

If the “moderates” will not take control of Islam, they cede it to the maniacs.

That is what the Western leaders need to demand.

Honesty and seriousness and action.

Islam is festering and murdering.

Because of its dismal dogmas.

Not because of anything cultural, social, economic …or because of the infidels’ acts or inaction.

Until Islam has its long-overdue humanizing reformation, we’re going to be at war with its warmaking tenets.

And failing to address it strongly only encourages its madmen.

profitsbeard on July 6, 2007 at 11:51 AM

First off, Islam is already at war with us. Nothing we say is going to cause them to go to war …

Ah, no. A portion of it is for sure but If all of Islam was at war with us you’d be looking at oil 10X – 100X it’s current price because there would be an embargo and the regimes in the ME who are still relatively friendly with us would have been deposed or given in to the call for Jihad. That’s not nearly the case right now.

They’re already doing everything they can to kill us.

Really? So Pakistan handed over their nuclear weapons to be used against us? Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, Yemen, Jordan, Indonesia, etc., have joined together in war against the US? They aren’t doing nearly their “most” yet and we know it.

You make is sound as though, if they were to choose, they could rise up and defeat us if they simply get pissed enough. If this were true, it would have already happened.

Ah, no. You haven’t read what I wrote or you misunderstand it. What I am saying is, don’t look at what the POTUS says, look at what he does. Don’t ask him to speak the truth when the truth makes victory harder and more costly. Ultimately it may come to all out war (which we will win) but it can’t happen until the people of the West are ready for it. They have proven they are not by being unwilling to even commit to victory in Iraq.

Second, they need the west much more than we need them. While they might have the oil, we have the money to purchase it. If they do as you suggest, and simply stop selling it to us … they starve. It’s not realistic. This is a concept our leaders have failed to grasp. Instead, we pay their prices, when we should be naming our price and saying take it or leave it.

Oh really? You think China, India, Russia and possibly even parts of Europe are going to stop doing business with the Middle East because of us? Please. I think our leaders understand the situation a lot better than you give them credit for.

when we should be naming our price and saying take it or leave it.

I don’t think you have a good handle on how the global economy works.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:07 PM

If they wore them all the time, its a different matter, but this is just being polite. stupid.

Wander on July 6, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Fixed that for ya…! Seriously though, I wouldn’t mind so much if our “leaders” wanted to show their concern and considerateness if they at the same time would have some balls and not give in to the dhimms and kick some fanatical jihadi terrorist a$s.

4shoes on July 6, 2007 at 12:13 PM

profitsbeard on July 6, 2007 at 11:51 AM

I agree completely but you can’t ask, or expect, the POTUS to be the one to do it. It would be taken as a deceleration of war if he/she spoke the Truth. That has to be left to others. The POTUS needs to say one thing and do another as has been the case since 9/11. People needs to weigh the deeds and not so much the words.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:13 PM

What’s the big deal? Politicians pandering to a religious group? Isn’t it the same as when Bush or Clinton visits a southern Baptist church? Personally, they all make me sick.

revolutionismyname on July 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

No, it’s not the same. The Southern Baptists aren’t out to destroy America.

A more subtle, but extremely important, difference is that the Southern Baptists believe in reasonable dialog about their religion. A commitment to reasonable dialog puts the Southern Baptist faith in tune with Democracy. Islam denies the possibility of reasonable dialog–as the Pope famously pointed out–which is incompatible with Democracy.

A commitment to reasonable dialog brings the capacity for change for the better. The Southern Baptists may deny their religion changes, but it does! As Southern Baptism started out defending slavery and now has apologized, I fully expect to see gay marriage in Southern Baptist churches in my life time. I see little hope for positive change in Islam.

thuja on July 6, 2007 at 12:16 PM

Hey 4shoes, put me back in context!

Slobs are slobs.

Wander on July 6, 2007 at 12:17 PM

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:07 PM

We should be retaking “their” oil fields. We created them, found the oil, created a use for thick, black gunk in the ground, and made the world run on it. It belongs to us. They just nationalized stole it.

Lazarus on July 6, 2007 at 12:20 PM

THIS DOES NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGE THE TERRORISTS PRACTICING THE FALSE RELIGION OF ISLAM. HOW CAN WE BE THIS STUPID???

NRA4Freedom on July 6, 2007 at 12:24 PM

Bryan, if you can’t get it right, then how can you expect the Bush Administration to get it right?

We’ve arrived at yet another teachable moment in the war. The West has been distracted for years by the leftwing shibboleth that poverty and adverse conditions, as opposed to a religion and an ideology, are at the roots of terrorism. Those doctors who plotted to blow up London and the Glasgow airport provide powerful evidence to the contrary: It’s not the poverty, stupid. A savvy administration that actually knows how to lead could have used this moment to remind us all that it’s the ideology RELIGION that drives the enemy in this war, and that the doctors are just the latest in a long string of evidence to that effect. Starting with millionaire Osama bin Laden and working through Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri to several of the 9-11 hijackers and on to these doctors, an awful lot of terrorists come from middle class or better backgrounds, and are professionals. They’re not poor in anything but their humanity. But what did the Bush administration do instead? Agh. It dispatched several of its top lights off to the nearest mosque. I realize, not in direct response to anything in particular, but it just doesn’t look good. And after seeing this, I need a vacation.

Tim Burton on July 6, 2007 at 12:27 PM

What’s the big deal? Politicians pandering to a religious group? Isn’t it the same as when Bush or Clinton visits a southern Baptist church? Personally, they all make me sick.

revolutionismyname on July 6, 2007 at 9:12 AM

I understand your point, but Baptists/Christians aren’t trying to destroy the West.

SouthernGent on July 6, 2007 at 12:28 PM

thuja on July 6, 2007 at 12:16 PM

DANCING WITH THE DEVIL
Charting the Rise of the Muslim Brotherhood

“For the Brotherhood democracy is nothing but a dance with the devil,” the paper wrote. “It is the means to come to power. Afterwards they will whip democracy and behead it with the sword.”

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:29 PM

Really? So Pakistan handed over their nuclear weapons to be used against us? Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, Yemen, Jordan, Indonesia, etc., have joined together in war against the US? They aren’t doing nearly their “most” yet and we know it.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:07 PM

You seem to think the U.S. is this little dot on the map with absolutely no military capability to defend itself. “ISLAM” is at war with all non-believers. “ISLAM” dictates that Muslims shall conquer the world. Yes, all of “ISLAM” is at war with us and IF they had the ability to do so … they would have already conquered us militarily.

You confuse “all Muslims” with “all of Islam.” There is a difference.

As for Pakistan, do you actually believe they have the ability to hit a U.S. city with a single nuke, without being wiped completely off the map? You’re not living in reality. You’re living in fear of something that doesn’t exist. The reason these countries have not “banded together” and taken us out … is because they are incapable of doing so, and they know it. So instead, they are forced to fight using terrorist tactics, relying on people such as you to cower in fear.

Don’t ask him to speak the truth when the truth makes victory harder and more costly.

Being able to speak “the truth” is the ONLY way we’re possibly going to win this war.

Oh really? You think China, India, Russia and possibly even parts of Europe are going to stop doing business with the Middle East because of us?

No, but they’re also not going to voluntarily purchase double the amount they need, to help offset the loss from the U.S. These countries would continue to purchase the exact same amount of oil, and in fact … would recognize the trouble the oil producers are in and would themselves use that as leverage to demand a lower price. It is you who does not understand how a market works. The loss of the U.S. market would put producers in an extremely weak negotiating position with the rest of the world. Do you think Russia is going to agree to pay more to help bail them out, or do you think it’s more likely that Russia will say “you need us even more now, so lower your price.”

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 12:33 PM

You and I live in completely different worlds. I think you have a very simplistic, naive view of it and the way it works. Go read about the 70s and tell me how badly the ME was hurt by cutting off the oil. (hint: they weren’t. It made them even richer).

I hope you didn’t/aren’t majoring in economics and/or business and/or geopolitical studies.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM

This is almost too much to take…what does the Bush Administration hope to accomplish with this type of behavior? Has the entire world gone mad and why are only some of us getting it?

Shelly on July 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM

I see a little pushback in the comments… If [this administration]’s not trotting down to the mosque, with CAIR slipping in the back way to make itself relevant again, it’s letting Wahhabis control who can become a Muslim chaplain in the military, and it’s letting CAIR control government “sensitivity” training, and it’s the DHS head announcing to the world that we can’t and won’t secure the nation’s border

So your problem is with the current administration being far too friendly with our potential enemies. Why not just say that?

Don’t blame these women for being polite in a place of worship (none of whom look remotely happy about the hijab). Blame the leaders who sent them to the mosque in the first place.

Tanya on July 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM

1st the hajab.. next clitorectomy

TheSitRep on July 6, 2007 at 12:46 PM

You and I live in completely different worlds.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 12:40 PM

I agree with that. I believe I live in the real world and you’re living in the Jimmy Carter peanut fields somewhere, where the U.S. is a small weak community with absolutely no ability to dictate terms and where we believe we are at the mercy of oil and drug cartels.

In your world, Musharraf is helping us out due to the kindness of his heart, rather than due to the knowledge that without the U.S. … he’s a dead man. In your world, Israel still exists because of their kindness to Muslims, rather than the fact that they have a mighty military, and the U.S. as a defender.

You must be right. Islam does not want Israel gone, because otherwise it would have already happened. And in your world … we are only alive because Islam has chosen to allow us to live.

Okay. You’re obviously living in reality.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 12:50 PM

Are we sure Bush is off the booze?

oldernslower on July 6, 2007 at 12:50 PM

So your problem is with the current administration being far too friendly with our potential enemies. Why not just say that?

I did. And provided examples of what I mean.

Bryan on July 6, 2007 at 12:52 PM

You’re still blaming them. The title is still “Bush officials don the hijab” — as if you’re comparing them to Pelosi. Which isn’t the case.

Tanya on July 6, 2007 at 12:55 PM

Yes, CAIR was in attendance.
Yes, the wearing of the scarf may seem to some like grovelling.

But I think that the fact that it projects respect towards US (and outside) Muslims is more important than the above.

When Muslims read about the event or see pics of it, they will likely absorb only the most important parts of the story — Bush admin people respecting the sanctity of a mosque by wearing the hijab.

Sure, some radicals will look at it and see it as “another small victory for Islam”, but they won’t be the only ones watching. One of the most important things that the Bush admin (and all of us) need to do is help reduce the radicalization of “normal” Muslims. And you do that by respecting their holy sites… even if it’s not on foreign soil.

I’m thinking about my good normal assimilated Muslim acquaintances and how they’d see this favourably.

And fyi, I’m Jewish-Israeli… not a SF bleeding heart.

AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 1:07 PM

I’d expect the same from politicians going into a synagogue here in Toronto.

AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 1:08 PM

I’m with Bryan. This is disgusting and offensive beyond words.

student on July 6, 2007 at 1:12 PM

By Diana West:

There Imam Bush goes again

“There Imam Bush goes again. “I am astonished by President Bush when he claims there is nothing in the Qu’ran that justifies jihad violence in the name of Islam,” jailed jihadi cleric Abu Qatada said under similar circumstances almost six years ago. “Is he some kind of Islamic scholar? Has he ever actually read the Qu’ran?”

No. He’s just leader of the Free World — a Free World that has become less free and more dhimmified on his severely myopic watch”.

MB4 on July 6, 2007 at 1:14 PM

But I think that the fact that it projects respect towards US (and outside) Muslims is more important than the above.

— Bush admin people respecting the sanctity of a mosque by wearing the hijab.

AlexB on July 6, 2007 at 1:07 PM

The “sanctity of a mosque?”

Gag. Give me a break! Are you referring to the same mosques that Islamic militants use as bunkers during battles, using women and children as shields?

“Projects respect?”

What’s next? Bush wearing gang colors to “project respect” to inner city crip members? It wouldn’t surprise me. We’ve already seen him waving the Mexican flag.

Gregor on July 6, 2007 at 1:24 PM

You’re splitting hairs over whom to blame, Tanya. Did Bush put that hijab on them? I just choose to blame them all. Pelosi too, for that matter. They’re all adults. We don’t have any leaders who are worth anything who have any political power right now.

Bryan on July 6, 2007 at 1:27 PM

I agree with that. I believe I live in the real world and you’re living in the Jimmy Carter peanut fields somewhere, where the U.S. is a small weak community with absolutely no ability to dictate terms and where we believe we are at the mercy of oil and drug cartels.

You’re not smart enough to put words in my mouth and you proved it by completely misrepresenting everything I’ve written.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2007 at 1:30 PM

We all know the term “liberal guilt”.

Could this be the dawn of “conservative guilt”?

Halley on July 6, 2007 at 1:31 PM

You can argue about symbolism all you want. What bothers me is that this President and his administration have spent more time and effort carrying water for Islam than they have for our troops or what they fight for and defend.

tomk59 on July 6, 2007 at 1:32 PM

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