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The proper solution, once the Taliban was scattered, was to have strengthened the various factions in Afghanistan – the Tajiks, the Hazaras, the Turkmen, the different Pashtun factions and let them war against each other. In such a situation, al Qaeda couldn’t thrive, since it needs a stable pro-Jihadi regime like it had with Mullah Omar.
infidelpride on July 6, 2007 at 1:45 AM

The infighting between the various factions in Afghanistan after the fall of the Soviet puppet government is what allowed the Taliban to flourish and ultimately come into power. People were so tired of all the killing going on that they welcomed the stabilizing force of the Taliban. The people didn’t necessarily like the strictness of the Taliban, but they did welcome the relative peace that the Taliban was able to establish.

We have to look at the long term. Only by winning the hearts and minds of the general population will they see that there is a better alternative to the strict Islamist rule. This really is an idealogical battle and needs to be fought using techniques that influence the general population.

The problem prior to 9/11 was not that Afghanistan was a lawless place and therefore al Qaeda flourished – the problem was that the Taliban had de-facto control over 95% of the country, and that enabled al Qaeda to have a stable base. The problem wasn’t that there wasn’t a government – there was, and for those who had no problems with the Taliban – Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan – they could have perfectly normal diplomatic relations with Afghanistan with the Taliban government, and none of their citizens in Afghanistan would have had any problems.

Therefore, the solution to this problem – ousting the Taliban, was achieved by the end of 2001. The follow up process was messed up – elections have resulted in an Islamic Afghanistan where Shariah is the law of the land – look at the Abdul Rahman case (incidentally, same story in Iraq, where Assyrian Christians are now fleeing to Syria, while the US prepares to accept 700,000 Iraqi Mohammedans.) And today, you have the Kabul regime playing footsie with the Taliban.

The proper solution, once the Taliban was scattered, was to have strengthened the various factions in Afghanistan – the Tajiks, the Hazaras, the Turkmen, the different Pashtun factions and let them war against each other. In such a situation, al Qaeda couldn’t thrive, since it needs a stable pro-Jihadi regime like it had with Mullah Omar.

Enough with this hearts and minds project already. Withdraw all foreign troops from Afghanistan, and arm all factions. If foreign troops have to be there, have Iranian and Pakistani troops there. Before you know it, they’ll be at war, and killing each other. Only thing to make sure – that both are hostile countries, and that neither gains the upper hand.

Note that in this civil conflict – Pashtun vs Tajik vs Hazara, we don’t have a dog in this fight. The only dog we have is the fight itself.

Feed that dog.

It amazes me that we only hear the bad news coming from Afghanistan and Iraq.  Why is it that our media is unwilling to report the good news stories from our efforts over there?  Videos such as this one…….

The Union did not accept the South’s culture of Slavery. The Union CHANGED the culture.

The USA did not accept the Indians ’s cultures we CHANGED the culture of the land.

The USA did not accept the culture of MEXICO in CA,NM,AZ and TX we changed the culture.

Show me one time in history that a country was able to retain its culture intact after being conquered besides Iraq,Afganistain and Vietnam.

All in this country believes in equal rights yet we allow Iraq and Afganistian to treat woman and non-muslims unequally.

Our beliefs are what make us the most powerful force in the history of the world. We should export and impose those beliefs on others so that all of mankind can benefit from them. Notice I did not say religous beliefs

Sven on July 5, 2007 at 7:56 PM

Yeah..sure it is….Vietnam did wonders for our victory by winning the hearts and minds.

If you want to win the hearts and minds give the people security, law and order. The rest takes care of itself.

Look after 6 years we still need to seperate women and men or our soldiers get “lynched” this is not winning hearts nor minds.

We need to change hearts and minds or the some thoughts that allowed the Taliban to grow and control a society will reemerge as soon as we leave.

We did not win the hearts and minds of Germany. We conquered Germany and imposed our will and beliefs on the country. We changed the minds of those that believed in Nazism .

Never in history has a country defeated another and accepted the conquered countries culture instead of imposing its culture on the conquered one.

The USA was the first and Vietnam was the first example. It does not work. PC warfare is wrong.

It was their culture and social norms that bred the Taliban and terrorists. By embracing that culture instead of changing it we are only prolonging the war.

unseen on July 5, 2007 at 7:42 PM

Winning the hearts and minds of the people is one of the most important steps in winning this type of war.

csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:07 PM

Seconded
How are your boys? doing?

My instinct is to be rueful that we are making people healthy who may turn around and kill us (I know, bad bad instinct!). But you do good when the opportunity arises. Great goodness from these men.

film at 11:00

Again, just more stuff you won’t see in the MSM.

You know, people keep b*tching about the politicians giving up on the war. Imagine if the American people bothered to flood the Congressional offices expressing their support of the war as they did with expressing their disdain for the Anmesty Bill.

We have only ourselves to blame if the politicians give up on this battle against Islamic Totalitarianism.

You know, people keep bitching about the politicians giving up on the war. Imagine if the American people bothered to flood the Congressional offices expressing their support of the war as they did with expressing their disdain for the Anmesty Bill.

We have only ourselves to blame if the politicians give up on this battle against Islamic Totalitarianism.

The best part of the MEDCAPs are when you see something like a vision problem get fixed. The whole world opens up for someone, because US and ANA docs, PAs and nurses made it to some out of the way place.

Let’s hope the less-brainwashed in Afghanistan come to appreciate the sacrifice one day.

And that we are not just giving future jihadists a healthy reason to laugh at our fatal naivete.