Video: Fox, NBC profile Christian converts to Islam
posted at 1:08 pm on July 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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My fellow agnostic, INDC Bill, dared me to post these just to see how many comically hysterical comments they’d draw. Heh. The over/under is 125. “They’d never profile Muslim converts to Christianity!” comments don’t count on grounds of obviousness.
I confess, I did raise an eyebrow at the woman in the second clip heralding the “freedom” she’s found since she strapped on her new headgear. Click the images to watch.
Update: All right, here’s one from Influence Peddler that goes the other way. Walid Shoebat is of course another very high profile convert from Islam to Christianity.
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If you go looking for insane people you will find them, no doubt.
bbz123 on July 5, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Hmmm…I’m wondering if there’s a poll out there that reports how many recent American converts to Islam describe themselves as Democrats or as liberals.
flipflop on July 5, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Oh man, they’re so dead! No way other Christians are going to let them get away with converting!
tlynch001 on July 5, 2007 at 1:13 PM
“Embrace the suck”
/picked that up somewhere
LakeRuins on July 5, 2007 at 1:13 PM
If they “converted” then they were never believers to begin with IMO. Churches are full of such “believers” that are around more for the social aspect of a church than anything else.
Benaiah on July 5, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Well, given that Islam calls for those who leave the Muslim faith, going on TV and proclaiming your conversion to Christianity could be a bit dangerous.
I guess I could see the appeal though- convert to Lutheranism, you get free ham sandwiches and Jello with marshmallows in it. Convert to Islam and you get free TATP and AK-47s.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 1:16 PM
I guess she was having a bad-hair life.
KelliD on July 5, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Forget these losers; did you convert, AP (from atheist to agnostic)? Progress.
baldilocks on July 5, 2007 at 1:18 PM
I can see that chick’s mouth. And she’s not shapeless enough. She better learn her place, that hussy!
RW Wacko on July 5, 2007 at 1:18 PM
And, of course, the fact that other Christians don’t hunt them down and kill them is more evidence of our inferiority in the minds of the Islamists.
TBinSTL on July 5, 2007 at 1:18 PM
Ramen!
/pastafarian
RushBaby on July 5, 2007 at 1:19 PM
Anyone told those Methodists about these folks… could be dangerous…
Yes… quick… hold a Bake Sale in Protest….
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 1:20 PM
Heh, no. I’m not sure how Bill categorizes himself, though, so I chose the more inclusive grouping.
Allahpundit on July 5, 2007 at 1:20 PM
sorry….couldn’t watch them through….ugh.
I had a catholic friend who converted ….now she sits on the park bench preaching islam to anyone who will listen.
Who trades ‘72 virgins in return for killing as many as possible while killing yourself’…for ‘loving your enemy,even unto giving up your life to save another’s’.
shaking my head
lobosan5 on July 5, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Americans can believe in whatever God they wish.
But for NBC and Fox to profile them is bullsh@t.
Both portrayed Islam as the trendy new religion to convert to. Did you notice the way the cover of the Quran shined and glowed every time they showed it.
Both pieces were little more than a commercial for conversion.
I’m sick of our media and I want to see them bear some consequences.
unamused on July 5, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Exactly…it’d be really interesting if a formal survey was done, because I think it would strongly support the moonbat theory.
flipflop on July 5, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Yeah, liberating for women…liberating them of all rights as human beings. Sounds similar to kids joining gangs in South Central…
d1carter on July 5, 2007 at 1:22 PM
To be accurate, I just said “comments.”
The folks in this piece crack me up, as they strike me as folks of the “it’s better because it’s an exotic belief!” variety, similar to how many liberal folks adopt Eastern spirituality after getting bored with/rebelling against western Judeo-Christian religions. Plus, Arabic script looks really cool. I could be wrong.
BillINDC on July 5, 2007 at 1:22 PM
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13
This documentary about Muslim converts in Texas is, um, interesting. I don’t get the impression that one of the women is going to be very observant given her reluctance to get rid of her yelping dogs.
rh on July 5, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Did I just use “folks” three times in a sentence? Yes, I did.
BillINDC on July 5, 2007 at 1:23 PM
How can you do an adequate profile of these people without getting a signed release of their psychiatric records?
Blake on July 5, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Why wouldn’t they convert, it looks like so much fun! Especially the pork-free BBQ’s.
bmac on July 5, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Then why did you do it? Slow news day?
I don’t really care if they converted or not. Just as long as they go to Saudi Arabia to see how “free” they can be.
mjk on July 5, 2007 at 1:24 PM
Doesn’t it seem weird that a major network is profiling converts of any type?
Have they ever profiled people who convert to Mormonism? That’s a religion that’s had more than its fair share of criticism. And with a Mormon running for president, it’s certainly relevant.
Esthier on July 5, 2007 at 1:25 PM
Say what you want about Islam but that whole “its OK to beat your wife” thing is a pretty good selling point….
…calm down, it was a joke :)
DwnSouthJukin on July 5, 2007 at 1:25 PM
I’ll stick with Jesus and my fellow Christian infidels, but thanks.
saltydogg14 on July 5, 2007 at 1:26 PM
I guess they haven’t been told about all those “women were made deficient and inferior” quotes and the parts about “disciplining” ones wives?
And it’s also annoying to hear people sound like they’re picking a religions as if all religions are the same and you just have to “find what gives you a sense of community” or other nonsense the people in the video talked about. What about picking religions because of their truth?
It seems at times that definitely some of these people would have latched on to a cult if it had gotten to them first. It seems like they wanted a faith with more teeth. I don’t doubt if they had heard some old school Jonathan Edwards “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” preaching they would have probably been won over by Christianity.
apostle26 on July 5, 2007 at 1:27 PM
AP – I could care less about western converts to Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Rastafarianism, Zoarastrianism or anything else. To me, people in a free society FREELY converting to another religion is a non-story.
I would, however, have been happy if the press had bothered covering any of the stories of the people in Islamic countries that had converted to other religions and the new death threats they get to live under.
I tire of seeing “religion of peace” stories and “under Islam, people are free to be whatever religion they choose to be stories” in the media when that is so clearly and obviously not the case.
JadeNYU on July 5, 2007 at 1:28 PM
A lot of slaves ‘enjoyed’ their slavery too.
Never had to worry about food, or what to do, or when to wake up or go to sleep or eat or drink or…. All their decisions were made by someone else.
Free? Free from having to make any decisions about their life.
CrazyFool on July 5, 2007 at 1:30 PM
It’s like that episcopalian female priest who thinks she’s a muslim. Personally, like their is gender confusion, this need to convert and adopt cultures totally foreign then your own and the majority of healthy people’s values is a psych problem.
Blake on July 5, 2007 at 1:31 PM
Brav conversions from white, well-off people.
Next week see Buddhist go wild with college sorority girls! After that, Confucionist take out their anger by destroying anything that won’t submit to “great fashion fad”.
TheEJS on July 5, 2007 at 1:31 PM
.
Well, she doesn’t have to wash or style her hair any longer, does she?
BillINDC on July 5, 2007 at 1:32 PM
Well said…
DCJeff on July 5, 2007 at 1:34 PM
I wonder how liberated Trixie here is going to feel after her “procedure”
conservnut on July 5, 2007 at 1:34 PM
Each story like this brings me closer and closer to a Full-Metal-Jacket attitude.
I won’t say specifically what that is (for fear of being kicked) but I’m sure you can infer.
In related news, I’m sure at some point in his life, someone told that fat, white, lawyer to “GET THE HELL OFF MY OBSTACLE COURSE”.
unamused on July 5, 2007 at 1:35 PM
I do not see how these people can believe that Mohammed rode to Heaven on a winged horse when clearly a burning bush wrote the ten commandments and a virgin woman gave birth to gods son who dies for sins that you were responsible for (even though you weren’t even conceived) but later came back to life and apparantly disappeared again right after that so that he could come back just in time for the armageddon that is coming after all good christians rise through the air to join god on Mars or Venus or wherever they rise up to.
It takes an Atheist to truly appreciate how deluded both sides are on this one.
JayHaw Phrenzie on July 5, 2007 at 1:38 PM
For an idea of what this would be like on a large scale – . Entertaining read.
carlitos on July 5, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Amen, brotha.
Enrique on July 5, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Now contrast these profiles against this one . . .
Afghan Christian convert
One is newsworthy . . .the others
propaganda.
heroyalwhyness on July 5, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Killgore Trout:
unamused:
That’s the crux of it. And like flipflop I’d also be interested in seeing how many of them are liberals. Converting to Islam accomplishes quite a few things for these people in one fell swoop:
1) They are now Muslims, not Americans any longer (satisfies their intense hatred of America and their self-hatred of being American)
2) They get to “stick it to the man” by converting to Islam.
3) They have a trendy new “Globalist” identity and outlook.
4) They are now an instant member of an “oppressed victim” group. They can blame even more on BOOOOOOSH
Ultimately, these people are little more than useful idiots for the enemy (airing on Al-Jezzera in 5-4-3-2). The news outlets should be ashamed of themselves for providing our enemies with propeganda, but when has something like shame stopped the media before?
I can see MSNBC airing it, that doesn’t surprise me. I’m a bit dissapointed in Fox.
crazy_legs on July 5, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Green Eggs and Lamb? You know that the next book read at that story time was How the Grinch Stole Palestine.
rw on July 5, 2007 at 1:43 PM
I hate “statement makers” I used to live with one. If she wasn’t redheaded and uuuhh, err, ummm, shapley I wouldn’t have given her the time of day. Anyway she dumped me for a woman and that’s pretty cool I guess.
LtE126 on July 5, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Oh stop it! You’re just jealous that you atheists cant wear the snazzy hear gear…
DwnSouthJukin on July 5, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Sorry, but I disagree with most of the commenters here.
These people are free to convert to whatever religion they see fit.
Would I choose to do that? Absolutely not, but I’m not making the rules in our country just yet.
But these commercials certainly don’t make it look appealing to convert. Although it was certainly comforting to me to see seemingly typical Americans except that they now practice Islam.
asc85 on July 5, 2007 at 1:44 PM
If this is newsworthy, how about this?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
bridgetown on July 5, 2007 at 1:44 PM
my invisible man can beat up your invisible man!
atadOFF on July 5, 2007 at 1:45 PM
These people are emotional cripples desperately flailing around for any religion, cult or belief system that will take away the pain they feel at having to think for themselves. That they wish to join the Borg is no great surprise – look at all the Sixties generation who thought that Far-Eastern mysticism had all the answers or that the murdereous Charman Mao was worthy of adoration.
That the anti-Christian self-haters in the media would big this up is also no surprise. They prove their multi-cult creditianals by boosting Islam, they get to sneer at what they see as “the establishment” and they take no risks. For them it’s a win-win situation – for those muslim apostates whose story is rarely told, it makes a grim situation even worse.
London Boy on July 5, 2007 at 1:47 PM
Thanks, but not quite. I seemed to have omitted a few words and phrases. lol!
Blake on July 5, 2007 at 1:48 PM
“I feel extremely free from the impending stonings all you non-Muslims will face when our new Islamic Overlords finally take their rightful place.”
James on July 5, 2007 at 1:48 PM
My guess is they are Muslims the same way someone like John Kerry is a Catholic. It’s all good as long as they get to pick which parts they live by and believe.
How many Catholics are okay with abortion, birth control, divorce, etc? At least in the US a lot of them are. The reality is that stuff doesn’t fly in the Vatican or in places where the church is growing, like Africa.
Somehow I doubt Islamic Rage Boy thinks they are all part of one happy family of faith. The question is, which one of them represents the majority of Muslims around the world?
Drew on July 5, 2007 at 1:48 PM
Crazy muslims. Ruining religion for the rest of us.
Ortzinator on July 5, 2007 at 1:49 PM
Hari Hari. Krishna Krishna. Hari Hari. Krishna Oy!
Blake on July 5, 2007 at 1:50 PM
I can’t wait to see a WWF version of Islam.
Sorta like wearing braces with the head gear attached. Liberating.
Kini on July 5, 2007 at 1:51 PM
Wonder how long until NBC will run the counter…how many Muslims convert to Christianity. I’ll hold my breath….could someone call the ambulance now and save me the trouble?
Pilgrim on July 5, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Given the examples of all the Muslim converts we’ve seen to date – Suleiman Faris/John Walker Lindh, John Allen Mohammed, Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, Stephen Vikas Chand, Dhiren Barot, among others, I don’t treat this as I would a conversion of, say, a Christian to Judaism, or a Buddhist to Christianity. After all, the main difference between all these other religions and Islam is the requirement by Islam that it should reign supreme in the world as a political entity, and followers of all other religions would be Dhimmis, or second class citizens. So when someone quits their respective religions and signs on to Islam, they are essentially signing on to Jihad – which is why, the moment someone converts to Islam, we ought to interpret it as a declaration of war against the rest of us.
And then act accordingly.
infidelpride on July 5, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I’m, ummm, outraged?
Steve LLamabutcher on July 5, 2007 at 1:53 PM
My Invisible Pink Unicorn (blessed be her holy hooves) can beat your invisible man!
/still doing my small hysterical part to bring the tally to 125
RushBaby on July 5, 2007 at 1:56 PM
Join Islam…it’s all the rage!
James on July 5, 2007 at 1:56 PM
Is anybody watching fox right now? check Rebecca Gomez when they do a pull back shot. I hope SHE never converts
LtE126 on July 5, 2007 at 1:56 PM
No doubt Paris, Cameron, and Britney will be sporting the new air-conditioned panty-less burka before the summer is out.
infidel4life on July 5, 2007 at 1:56 PM
(Not that they were Christians to begin with)
infidel4life on July 5, 2007 at 1:57 PM
It doesn’t bother me that the people converted. Conversion is a personal thing and, in the U.S. at least, it’s completely legal.
However, after watching the video of the girls, it doesn’t seem to be a religious ‘conversion’ as it is ‘choosing a new club to hang out at’.
She said that, after 9/11, the image of Islam in the news wasn’t what she had experienced when traveling overseas. Then, she extols the ‘philosophy’ of Islam and how everyone is an individual and allowed to choose their own path (which, doesn’t really square with the whole – Allah is in control of absolutely everything line of thinking in Islam, but, that’s beside the point).
What I never heard in anything she said was any mention of an actual conversion regarding Muhammed actually having been a prophet that received the revelation of the Koran and a belief that Allah is God. In fact, in the women’s clip, I never heard Muhammed or Allah mentioned a single time…just how liberating the hijab is and how everyone is equal in Islam.
At least with the women interviewed, this strikes me as less of a religious conversion and more of a ‘program change’. The story might as well have been about a girl that switched out of campfire girls and into Girl Scouts because she liked the Girl Scout merit badges better.
JadeNYU on July 5, 2007 at 1:58 PM
We’re in the 21st century, for god’s sake.
Entelechy on July 5, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Hey, it’s a good cover (”pun intended” ) for guys who can’t get laid and women who won’t. “It’s my religion, no, really. I mean it!”
bbz123 on July 5, 2007 at 1:59 PM
I’m looking for a photoshop of the red mosk (male) leader in a burqa and heels…wait, that was for real…it would still be fun to have a thread on that. No talent here for such. Appealing to those of you who do have it.
Entelechy on July 5, 2007 at 2:02 PM
Move over Kabalah and $cientology there’s a new “cool cult” in town.
srhoades on July 5, 2007 at 2:03 PM
Let’s wager who in Hollywood will be the first to convert.
Entelechy on July 5, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Britney, definitely Britney
srhoades on July 5, 2007 at 2:06 PM
My guess…Madonna will be first, and change her name to the equally inappropriate Aisha.
James on July 5, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Oooh, this is as riveting as the breathless news coverage on the fanatics that converted from Sprint/Blackberry to AT&T Wireless/iPhone!
Verizon/MotoQ users must be outrageously outraged!
ScottMcC on July 5, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Fragility on July 5, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Nah… the next big trend will be Gnositcism…
Google it…. LOL…
For all that is old, is new again… and the some of the First, Shall be Last…
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 2:12 PM
Well, not being able to have pork at a BBQ would suck, but hey, join the right radical group of Islamists and you get to burn people alive. How cool is that!
austinnelly on July 5, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.
roux on July 5, 2007 at 2:15 PM
I wonder if the next Dhim president will send tanks to free women or children held hostage in some Moslem compound, if such a situation arises.
My guess about the guy is that he really, really wants those alleged 72 virgins. But I wonder what they are after being deflowered. Do they become virgins again? Is that their profession in that other life, and has he considered this?
The woman I can’t account for, and probably would regret it if I could for the kind of possible insanity or sexual deviance it must take (I have about three possibles in mind already). I mean, what would make a Western woman who is free to vote and drive cars give that up as well as the other liberties gained by women since the 19th Century? Islam is far more oppressive than the ’80s feminists tried making of Christianity. At least those men who follow the Bible with ever-deepening faith treat their wives with the respect Scriptures command Christian husbands to bestow. And Christian marriage is between one man and one woman; going only by the alleged permission in the Koran to beat wives when ‘needed’, and the fact a Moslem man can have up to four wives, I see no true freedom for women in Islam.
Yet, American feminists (and many in Sweden) seem to have an inordinate respect for Islam. I’d love knowing what the experts in cognitive dissonance would say about it all.
Liam on July 5, 2007 at 2:15 PM
JADENYU,
You make a very valid point of how these converts (which were not genuine christians to begin with) are not looking at issues of what is truth. They are looking for “something” that feels good for the moment. Reminds me of 2 Timothy 4:3 – “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires”.
Nolamom67 on July 5, 2007 at 2:20 PM
It takes an agnostic to get a snapshot of the entire melee.
Stephen M on July 5, 2007 at 2:21 PM
Time to wake up E – s/b “red mosque”, above :(
Entelechy on July 5, 2007 at 2:22 PM
In the end we all convert to Christianity,
Philippians 2:10 “At the name of Jesus, every knee will bow. . . .
Bow in this lifetime, or the next?
mdetlh on July 5, 2007 at 2:23 PM
The fat guy realized that was his only chance to get laid, was to convert and hope Allah gave him 72 virgins.
The lady’s husband had once complained, when she was wearing lingerie, that she was fat and to cover up….She took it literally.
Tim Burton on July 5, 2007 at 2:24 PM
Too late, ever hear of the New Age Movement?
Tim Burton on July 5, 2007 at 2:26 PM
No, but aparently it takes an atheist to be an @ss.
This knee-jerk reaction of insulting Christianity on a thread is really simplistic, juvenile and completely irrelevant to a topic about why a person’s conversion is considered network-worthy news.
Esthier on July 5, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Ahhh…. I was going to comment but then I realized that this is just another of those threads that turned into a flaming contest, instead of any useful debate.
KMC1 on July 5, 2007 at 2:35 PM
AMEN!
EnochCain on July 5, 2007 at 2:39 PM
apostates from Christianity must die! oh wait…no…wait..getting a memo here. OK it turns out they can live and we’ll just pray for their souls
Keli on July 5, 2007 at 2:48 PM
Just because your parents have you baptized doesn’t make you a Christian. That is something you decide personally at some point later in your life.
The good news is that if you are a Christian apostate, you are not jailed, killed or tortured as Islam practices with their apostates.
I seriously have to wonder about an American that responds to 9/11 by joining Islam, and anyone who can state that Eve was created separate from Adam according to Mohammad the child rapist, so Islam is like women’s lib.
Hening on July 5, 2007 at 2:55 PM
And all this time, I thought environmentalism was the new trendy religion.
ZK on July 5, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Well isn’t that special. Like my mother used to say, “If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you jump to?” The lemmings have spoken.
KCtheKat on July 5, 2007 at 3:11 PM
I look at agnostics the same way as I do moderates. LAZY!!!
Pick a damn side!!! :)
You can insult my favorite fictional chracter all you want and I won’t get mad.
If I really and truly believe that all religous people are deluded fools that rely on fantasy to gget through their lives (and I do, BTW), then why do I have to show deference for your fantasy?
If you see a deluded person walking down the street talking to his invisible friend, are you required to respect his belief?
I have no respect for any religion and I will not pretend like they deserve any respect.
All religions are shams. Some are more blatant than others (Scientology), some are more toxic (Islam) than others, some have had a few beneficial effects (Christianity), but they all have one thing in common.
They were all invented by mankind as a way controlling people. And they are all bullshit.
Someone converting from Islam to Christianity or vice versa means no more to me than someone deciding to watch Harry Potter instead of the Lord of the Rings.
JayHaw Phrenzie on July 5, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Just reading those comments over at FOX. It sure brought the nuts out of the woodwork.
jeanie on July 5, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Gee, and you wonder why athiests get such a bad rap, tolerant sort that they are.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 3:21 PM
If all these folks are converting to islam, will Hillary Care provide free Genital Mutilation?
TheSitRep on July 5, 2007 at 3:27 PM
Are you just trying to drive up the comment count to win the bet?
Beo on July 5, 2007 at 3:28 PM
If only there was a religion where I could get free Jello with marshmallows in it, ham sandwiches, TATP, and AK-47s. I’d be so there.
Welcome to Hillary’s dream of America. For us peons, at least.
ReubenJCogburn on July 5, 2007 at 3:32 PM
What is the deal? I see a common thread between all the converts.
They seem to all be very homely looking chunky slobs.
I guess Michael Moore will soon follow.
TheSitRep on July 5, 2007 at 3:33 PM
I think it’s people who feel empty inside looking for something and/or someone to tell them what to do because personal responsibility is, like, such a b*tch and it’s so hard (whine, whine, whine).
yggdrasil on July 5, 2007 at 3:38 PM
The difference being, I don’t feel the need to insult anything about you. I truly don’t care what you believe and prove this by not talking about whatever that might be. You on the otherhand, bring it up when it’s unnecessary, like someone who claims to be uninterested in Paris Hilton but yet reads up on her every move, bringing it into conversations about the weather.
If you really don’t care what others believe, then you wouldn’t mock it either.
And as I said, it’s a childish exercise in futility, one that is neither relevant to the topic at hand or of any value whatsoever.
No one is required to respect anyone or anything. However, you seem to find it necessary to involve yourself with the above person through simplistic insults designed to do nothing but anger the target. Unless you think you can “enlighten” someone by showing how arrogant you can be.
And for the record, I’m not angry. I find you a little amusing.
You’re only further proving your uselessness in this conversation, as many others have said the same thing without having to resort to insults.
If you cannot discuss religion without name-calling, then you’re only to be pitied.
Esthier on July 5, 2007 at 3:39 PM
How come these women converts aren’t commenting on their clitorectomies?
Veritas on July 5, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Not that I’m interested in seeing the downfall of Islam, but I was surprised to learn that Islam is losing more followers than it’s gaining, because I really had been given the impression that it was the other way around.
Esthier on July 5, 2007 at 3:42 PM
NBC is blatantly airing islamist propaganda. As with everything they air, from their global warming tripe to this … it has a purpose, to bend the will of the average American to theirs. Good thing it only works with IQ’s below 50.
darwin on July 5, 2007 at 3:43 PM
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