Pretty much. There are people worthy of my respect, and there are people who aren’t. Guess which side the two people interviewed in that segment fall into.

Oh yeah, that guy is a sh!t bag don’t’ get me wrong. I get upset when basic common courtesy isn’t shown. She did exactly to that douche bag what that black panther guy did to her, and why? It isn’t called for or necessary.

While I wouldn’t lose sleep over total strangers, you can be damn sure I would try to protect an adult relative (or close friend for that matter) from making a disastrous and self-destructive life decision. I would consider it a moral obligation.

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 5:35 PM

I was out of line saying you don’t respect people, and for that I apologize. Putting it in the context you’re putting it now makes more sense. I think we must agree to disagree. I’m not of the opinion that performing in porno is entirely a bad life choice.

Yeah, I guess this is the difference between us, I have respect for others and you don’t.

Pretty much. There are people worthy of my respect, and there are people who aren’t. Guess which side the two people interviewed in that segment fall into.

Also, yes; I don’t feel the need to protect other adults from making bad decisions. Do I care, yeah I do, but I’m not going to be able to help and or stop them so why insult them for not seeing my viewpoint?

liquidflorian on July 6, 2007 at 5:25 PM

While I wouldn’t lose sleep over total strangers, you can be damn sure I would try to protect an adult relative (or close friend for that matter) from making a disasterous and self-destructive life decision. I would consider it a moral obligation.

Great strategy by Michelle for all to see this loser for what she already knew he was.

Wade on July 6, 2007 at 5:21 PM

Was that in Sun Tsu, The Book of Five Rings, or Al Franken’s new book?

Well, it’s your choice to decide whether my argument is compelling, is it not?

Your right, it isn’t….

Brother of the Year you are. You’d express concern if your sister wanted to get porked on camera for the whole world to see and download. Wow.

What would you expect me to do? If she makes her mind up to do something she’s going to do it, regardless of what I have to say. This isn’t Saudi Arabia, I can’t stone her to deth for being in a porno.

And that’s the difference between you and I – I wouldn’t respect their choices, even if I had no power to change them. Nor would I turn a blind eye to exploitation by soothing myself with the “they’re just exercising their own free will” argument. You may think that line of reasoning absolves you from any responsibility to protect them from doing stupid and/or self-destructive things, but it doesn’t.

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Yeah, I guess this is the difference between us, I have respect for others and you don’t. Also, yes; I don’t feel the need to protect other adults from making bad decisions. Do I care, yeah I do, but I’m not going to be able to help and or stop them so why insult them for not seeing my viewpoint?

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 4:10 PM

I respect your argument. I note that the removal of one self-destructive action is replaced by another if the cause is not addressed. Calling someone a loser is nothing more than preaching to the choir. Pointless.

Spirit of 1776 on July 6, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Quite the opposite of pointless. It pissed him off and the real loser within him came through the facade he was trying to project of mister nice guy just running a business.

Great strategy by Michelle for all to see this loser for what she already knew he was.

Okay. Have a great weekend.

Spirit of 1776 on July 6, 2007 at 4:58 PM

We’ll agree to disagree at this point.

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 4:43 PM

With respect, I disagree. Leading questions have power to create fundamental changes.

Predators like Markwith deserve plenty of scorn.

Again I’ll just refer to Lincoln’s example, the manner and result of his life’s work.

I could understand those who disagree with Michelle’s tactics if she was debating some democrat about Social Security reform; it would have clearly been out of context in such a case.

Yes, and the problem is that now I can’t defend MM without checking the context. Now it’s she is a class act, most of the time. Or she address the issues directly without resorting to name-calling, most of the time. Please note, I don’t mean that with disrespect.

Works as well for what? ie to what end?

Spirit of 1776 on July 6, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Dealing with those people diplomatically will do absolutely nothing to get them to engage in a little self-examination. Ostracizing them as Michelle did may only have a 1% chance of doing the same thing, but 1% beats 0% any day.

I could understand those who disagree with Michelle’s tactics if she was debating some democrat about Social Security reform; it would have clearly been out of context in such a case.

But in this case, especially when the person using the word “loser” has a daughter of her own, I fully understand it and just can’t condemn it at all. Predators like Markwith deserve plenty of scorn, and if the worst he has to deal with is being called a “loser” he’s certainly suffered less harm than he’ll probably do to some of these women, especially by convincing them that it’s ok because they are doing it of their own free will.

works just as well.

Works as well for what? ie to what end?

Calling someone a loser is nothing more than preaching to the choir. Pointless.

Spirit of 1776 on July 6, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Trying to deal diplomatically with a exploitative dreg like Markwith is equally pointless when the unvarnished truth works just as well.

I respect your argument. I note that the removal of one self-destructive action is replaced by another if the cause is not addressed. Calling someone a loser is nothing more than preaching to the choir. Pointless.

Maybe I am maybe I’m not; you can’t make a compelling argument so your going to throw out some ridicule and see what sticks?

Well, it’s your choice to decide whether my argument is compelling, is it not?

If my sister for instance wanted to get into porn, I would express concern, of course I would. I would be her choice though, and if she wanted to do it she would do it

Brother of the Year you are. You’d express concern if your sister wanted to get porked on camera for the whole world to see and download. Wow.

I have known girls have modeled for sites like that as well; I respect the choices they’ve made. All of them chose to do it for different reasons, but all of them made the choice themselves.

liquidflorian on July 6, 2007 at 4:01 PM

And that’s the difference between you and I – I wouldn’t respect their choices, even if I had no power to change them. Nor would I turn a blind eye to exploitation by soothing myself with the “they’re just exercising their own free will” argument. You may think that line of reasoning absolves you from any responsibility to protect them from doing stupid and/or self-destructive things, but it doesn’t.

Let me guess – you’re a big ‘L’ libertarian, aren’t you?

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Maybe I am maybe I’m not; you can’t make a compelling argument so your going to throw out some ridicule and see what sticks? Trying some moral high ground of your own, Dude? Is my brand of conservatism not as good as yours?

If my sister for instance wanted to get into porn, I would express concern, of course I would. I would be her choice though, and if she wanted to do it she would do it

I have known girls have modeled for sites like that as well; I respect the choices they’ve made. All of them chose to do it for different reasons, but all of them made the choice themselves.

The irony here is your assertion that these girls are being exploited. At any point they could’ve backed out of setting up their own websites and decided not to do it.

liquidflorian on July 6, 2007 at 3:24 PM

Keep telling yourself that, I’m sure it helps you sleep at night.

And of course, I’m sure you’ll continue to maintain that position if you ever have a daughter or a sister doing what these girls are doing and/or dating a douchebag like Markwith.

Let me guess – you’re a big ‘L’ libertarian, aren’t you?

That’s some rich irony. Here’s a LOSER who makes his living off of exploiting young and dumb women, and you are calling Michelle crass for not taking the high road?

thirteen28 on July 6, 2007 at 2:45 PM

The irony here is your assertion that these girls are being exploited. At any point they could’ve backed out of setting up their own websites and decided not to do it.

That wasn’t’ good! She immediately went to the lowest common denominator and started insulting the guy. I’m pissed, I can’t believe any one would be so crass.

That’s some rich irony. Here’s a LOSER who makes his living off of exploiting young and dumb women, and you are calling Michelle crass for not taking the high road?

Michelle’s attempt to shame both of the couple might not make them change their ways, but at least she called it correctly.

Good job, Michelle, no need to pull your punches. There’s too much bullsh!t in the world and sometimes we need someone to state the unvarnished truth.

This isn’t on the same level as calling everyone who disagrees with us bigots and xenophobes.

No, it’s calling them losers…..

This is on the level where a porn-peddling slimeball acts as an enabler for women willing to sell their bodies and self-respect for all to oodle at. Without enablers, the porn industry falters and women spare themselves a lot of grief.

BKennedy on July 6, 2007 at 12:53 PM

Dude, those barely 18 y/o have their own sites, no one is enabling them but them selves.

That argument won’t hold water either because people (mostly men) will always want to look at women.

I have no problem w/ MM blasting someone, but there is no justice to open the conversation in that manner, the whole thing is uncouth. She can be happily defended by anyone who enjoys the sparks and thinks that ideological victory is akin to BOR yelling over someone; just doesn’t do it for me.

Spirit of 1776 on July 6, 2007 at 12:55 PM

This is where I have my problem. BOR had Jena Jameson on his show and while he disagreed with her he was respectfully and let the woman actually make her point. Granted Jena Jameson is a billion times smarter then that douche in the hat, but have we thrown out common courtesy because the guy is a pornographer? WTF?!