Boston Globe: Was Fred a mole for Nixon?
posted at 1:42 pm on July 5, 2007 by Allahpundit
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As if he won’t have a hard enough time distancing himself from number two on the all-time list of presidential unfavorables, now he’s got to distance himself from number one as well.
We had to relive Vietnam in the last election, now we’ll get to relive Watergate in this one. Who’ll be eligible to run in 2012 that was associated with Iran-Contra?
“Thompson was a mole for the White House,” [Scott] Armstrong said in an interview. “Fred was working hammer and tong to defeat the investigation of finding out what happened to authorize Watergate and find out what the role of the president was.”…
On July 13, 1973, Armstrong, the Democratic staffer, asked Butterfield a series of questions during a private session that led up to the revelation. He then turned the questioning over to a Republican staffer, Don Sanders, who asked [Nixon aide Alexander] Butterfield the question that led to the mention of the taping system.
To the astonishment of everyone in the room, Butterfield admitted the taping system existed.
When Thompson learned of Butterfield’s admission, he leaked the revelation to Nixon’s counsel, J. Fred Buzhardt.
“Even though I had no authority to act for the committee, I decided to call Fred Buzhardt at home” to tell him that the committee had learned about the taping system, Thompson wrote [in his Watergate memoir, "At That Point In Time"]. “I wanted to be sure that the White House was fully aware of what was to be disclosed so that it could take appropriate action.”
Armstrong said he and other Democratic staffers had long been convinced that Thompson was leaking information about the investigation to the White House. The committee, for example, had obtained a memo written by Buzhardt that Democratic staffers believed was based on information leaked by Thompson.
Armstrong said he thought the leaks would lead to Thompson’s firing.
This could actually be fertile ground for a Democratic attack in the general if they flesh it out and try to tie it in to Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. Not because the circumstances are similar in any material way, but because it would put Fred in a box with Bush and Nixon as shady, secretive, more-of-the-same Republicans. The problem is, how do they get around the fact that he did indeed ask Butterfield the famous question about listening devices and his general reputation for, er, law and order? And what Republican would dare pursue this line of attack in the primary?
Update: Given Fred’s vociferous support for pardoning Libby, they don’t really need this for a “more of the same” attack, do they?
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When the fred? groupies, and everyone here has seen them say it, use freds? wifes “hotness” as some sort of qualification for freds? qualification for POTUS, I have no problem with the open-eye conservatives pointing out the absurdity of the groupie mentality by calling her a “trophy wife”. The groupies started that way of seeing her and now need to defend that empty headed thinking.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:49 PM
There really is no need for the low-brow attacks on a candidates spouse.
Disagree with Fred! or whomever, but leave the spouse out, unless that spouse has interjected him/herself into the fray (like Elizabeth Edwards or Bill Clinton)
Let’s try to stay at least one notch above Kos, okay?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 4:53 PM
It’s perfectly natural to point out the lies, fakeries, straight up vacuousness, and piss poor history of someone who claims to be qualified to be POTUS.
freds? disrespect for basic conservative values needs to be exposed by those who understand those values. The dems have no solid ground to stand on when it comes to values, but they can parrot the truth that is fed to them by their handlers. The truth is the truth regardless of the messenger.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:54 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:54 PM
But there’s no need to attack the spouse.
That’s just the sort of thing one would see on Kos or DU. Not here.
Disagree with the candidate and those who support him to your hearts content, but not at the expense of aping those other sites.
Agreed?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 4:56 PM
Tell that to the fred? groupies. To them, she is a reason fred? is qualified.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:57 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:49 PM
I’m sooo glad you finally made it, I was beginning to think you quit caring about Fred…….
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 4:58 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:54 PM
Specifics and source(s), please. If you’re going to make such statements, have the courage to cite specifics and some credible sources. Otherwise, you come off looking like someone who just… hates.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 4:58 PM
At this point, I’m leaning to supporting Fred! – but I do so because of what he stands for.
Your remark is the type of ad hominem attack one sees on HuffPo, Kos, or DU.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:00 PM
What has Fred! actually accomplished in politics? He walked away from the Senate post-9/11, pre-Iraq War, because he was bored with Washington. Nice time to up and leave us, Fred! It was a real “boring” time, with a war going on and another about to begin. Instead he eschewed public service for acting and lobbying. Maybe the only thing he was bored with was his Senate pay. And as for his “brilliant” campaign, when is he gonna stop half-assing it and actually jump in? Rudy is traveling, racking up the endorsements and cash while Fred! is what, taping a few radio spots? I’d hardly call Fred!’s trademark laziness “brilliant”, and I’d hardly call Fred! a serious candidate.
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 5:06 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 4:57 PM
Ha ha ha you’re the only one here who has ever tried that line of reasoning, all the other “groupies” keep saying that Fred is running for president not his wife.
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:08 PM
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:00 PM
He wont because he cant, and if he even bothers to reply it will be with outright lies and intentional distortions of the truth, its all he has to work with.
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:10 PM
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 5:06 PM
Fred did something no politician ever does: he kept his word to serve only a limited number of years. Yeah, that’s a real good reason to attack someone.
While I agree that I wish he would declare, I find your attacks without merit. You are simply parroting what you have heard/read others say without any real basis in fact. You have not shown a single instance of where his policies are bad. In fact, none of the Fred! haters ever do; they just parrot the same line:
empty suit, lazy, blah, blah, blah.
That’s why the hit pieces keep coming, and his poll ratings are equal to hitlery.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:13 PM
dorian:
I find most of Fred!’s opponents do the same. Makes me think we’ve found our guy, eh?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:14 PM
I don’t project onto him his reason for leaving. I wish more politicians would…career politicians mean trouble. And I’m sympathetic to the idea of the times meet the man.
My concerns are more policy related.
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Wrong.
He decided not to run for re-election because of his daughter’s sudden death.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, sthu.
IrishEi on July 5, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Ohhh… you mean that he did what the founding Fathers of this country envisioned? He served, then went on? He ran a successful business… and made another career… ie… lived like a real person, not a Profesional Politician? One of the “ruling elite” we have in this country?
I’d rather have someone like that than another Bush (political family), or Kennedy… or god forbid… another Clinton.
A large part of this countries problems are that politicians get into Washington, and see it as the whole world. The become like Reid, or Pelosi, or Ted Kennedy, and think their little clique knows more than us poor slobs out here… just as in the last Senate Immigration debate.
And once again… Fred’s! campaign, for all you don’t like it, sure seems to be working.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I’m not doing your research for you. Do a search of HA for the term “jeri thompson” and you’ll get plenty of examples of the groupies using Jeri’s youth and looks as a political reason to vote for fred?.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:20 PM
I don’t know what’s funnier- the hit pieces by scared Democrats, or the shallow and lame attacks by scared FlipFlop Mitt and RINO Rudy supporters.
Whatever Fred’s faults may be (and of course he has them, like every candidate ever elected), much of the reason he’s #1 right now is the complete and total lameness of his competition. Hell, Maverick McCain is more conservative than Flipper Mitt or RINO Rudy, not that I’d vote for McCain either.
Barring an unforseen candidate entering who’s both a conservative and electable, Fred! wins my vote almost by default- even without the Federalist stance that very much appeals to me.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 5:20 PM
Whom did I attack? Name a specific person.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:22 PM
Saw this out there on the web:
Just a lazy, empty suit, huh?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:25 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:20 PM
Translation: I got nothing…so I’ll pretend its your responsibility to support my lies……..
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:26 PM
Ah, the “I’m not ________,” candidate.
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:27 PM
Never asked you to. But if you’re going to adopt the RO method of debate, the least you can do is cite your sources for your arguments, and not just throw garbage out there expecting everyone else to disprove it just cause you uttered it.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:27 PM
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:25 PM
That’s something. Can you link the article?
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Fred!
unamused on July 5, 2007 at 5:29 PM
Sorry but exactly what policies are you talking about? Has Fred! laid out any policy positions? Has he even announced? NO! Rudy is the only one who can beat Hillary, and if it wasn’t for ABORTION ABORTION ABORTION he would have no problem getting the nod. But no, you religious folk can’t mind your own business and stay out of people’s bedrooms and private lives, so we’re gonna get stuck with Fred!, who has no fire in his belly and will get run over by the Clinton machine. Hope your “faith” will get you through the Hillary Clinton regime.
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Me.
By saying those who support Fred! are basically “empty headed” “groupies”.
I could go on, but I’d rather not.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Fred Thompson is bad because he’s a “Washington insider,” and he’s bad because he left the Senate without having to be pried loose…
Actually, as idiotic as that sounds, it’s as good a reason to attack Fred Thompson as any I’ve heard so far.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 5:32 PM
Where have you been? Have you not seen the questionaire fred? filled out where he announced that he was for all abortion in the first trimester and that it is ultimately the womans choice? Have you not seen the list of people he lobbied for? Have you not heard of his red pickup truck fakery? Where were you when fred? crashed and burned on the Leno interview? Were you watching his interviews with Hannity and Robinson when the hosts and to lead him to the answers he should be giving? Have you not seen the London Q&A when he had to keep referring to his notes to answer questions? And in every one of those interviews, he STUNK. He stuttered and stammered and kept going back to his acting script every time he got a question in which he didn’t understand the context. He takes credit for a speech that Reagan gave, but no one can prove. He hides behind his wife and kids in a transparent attempt to represent himself as a family man type.
Seriously, do you even study the guy or is all you do is listen to his pod casts and repeat what others say?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:28 PM
May not be much, but I’ve seen it in more than one place. I’ll have to do a bit more research, but try this:
http://www.peachpundit.com/2007/06/26/reaganesque-continued/
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:33 PM
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 5:30 PM
Rasmussen would disagree with you. His policies are all over his web site, and others. His opinions are well known and he puts them out there.
Again, so far, all I hear from you and others is blind hatred.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:35 PM
I criticize groupies and never named you. If you label yourself a groupie, that’s your problem.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:36 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:33 PM
More blind hatred, no sources. Give me links, not Kos-style hyperbole.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:37 PM
logis on July 5, 2007 at 5:32 PM
Blind hatred works, too.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Boy you nailed me! That religious McCain-Feingold Bill! I answered this before, I’ll just excerpt a bit:
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:38 PM
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 5:30 PM
If you actually believe one single word of the crap you just posted then you unquestionably have the best dope in town and I for one demand that you start sharing it….
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:38 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Now you’re sounding like a poor imitation of most libs.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:38 PM
I think part of what gets my dander up about the anti Freds out there is that they portray us as groupies…
Its the typical demeaning crap that KOS uses.
I’ve read up on the candidates. I’ve studied em a bit. I didn’t come to my conclusions lightly, like they seem to think I did.
I’ve said it before… I have major probs with Rudi. McCain wants to give my country away. Mitt is a flipper, and way to “slick” IMO. Tanc is a one issue candidate.
So…. who is left? Ohhhh… that guy who seems to believe, almost straight down the line, what I believe.
GO FRED! GO!!!! ( I won’t say run, because he seems to be pretty good just amblin along…. LOL…)
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 5:39 PM
I’m not getting involved in a debate here. The article should come as no surprise to anyone that’s ever read a Boston Globe. I haven’t read one in 30 years. The problem for me living in Boston, is that The Herald has been turning a bit left too.
As far as the Fred issue…When/if he gets in the race I’ll take another, deeper look. Right now I like Hunter. I know he has no support. I wish more people would have gotten behind him. He is a true conservative, lots of experiene. But just never caught on.
I’ll end by saying, I like Fred. I would like to see him get in and do some more. I will vote for him if he’s the candidate.
PowWow on July 5, 2007 at 5:39 PM
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:38 PM
I think he is, with at least one other poster here…
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:40 PM
Here it is.
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:42 PM
PowWow on July 5, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Careful, you’ll end up being referred to as an empty-headed groupie.
Wonder if the Fred! haters here would say the same? Or would they vote for Hitlery?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:42 PM
You don’t want to know or you would have read all this by now anyway. If you’ll actually read everything you can find about fred? then you have the information to see who he really is.
So, no, I’m not doing your research. If you care who he really is do your own research. That’s what I do.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:43 PM
If you squeeze him hard enough, the ‘tard will eventually try to claim that he supports Mitt Romney.
But has anyone here actually seen him DO that?
logis on July 5, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Thanks, I ~knew~ I had seen it somewhere else.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:44 PM
Sigh… Rudi has a lot more problems than abortion…
First Responders in New Yawk HATE him.
He ran a sanctuary city.
Second amendment issues.
Rudi basicly has problems with a number of issues…
Oh… and you might want to check the latest Rasmusen poll… Fred is in a dead heat with Hillary, and he aint even running yet.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 5:45 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Oh, I see, because YOU say it, it MUST be so. Want proof? Google IT!!
Yeah, that line worked real good for RO.
Sorry, if you claim something to be a fact, then it is incumbent on you to prove it, not me to disprove it.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Face it- voting in just about every election is a choice between the least imperfect candidates; the lesser of evils. Except for the sheep who blindly support any and every position their favored candidate has, few if any get to vote for someone who agrees with them 100%.
Given the major shortcomings and highly questionable conservative credentials of RINO Rudy, FlipFlop Mitt and Maverick McCain along with the need to nominate an electable candidate, Fred is our best bet right now.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 5:49 PM
I don’t think so. BTW, does dailykos count as a source?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 5:49 PM
There are some things I like about a lot of these guys. If Huckabee were a bit stronger, I’d go for him, but it ain’t gonna happen.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Are you a groupie? You keep saying you are, yet I have seen no one single you out. If you think you are a groupie, I for one, am not going to argue with your own assessment of yourself.
As far as KOS, huffpo, and the rest go, they pride themselves in singling out specific people and insulting them with childish school yard baby talk because they have nothing left to add. I’ll expect you to start a campaign to eliminate that by the regulars here at HA.
Really? Do you complain when anyone calls other people names?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Agreed. But if I’m going to commit money and/or time to a candidate, I’d like him to commit to committing.
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:53 PM
The same people who attack Fred! as not being a “real” candidate because he’s waiting until the normal time to declare, are calling Rudy Giuliani The Only Man Who Can Beat Hillary because the media has been telling us since a year before the first Primary that he was the Republican “front runner.”
I didn’t believe it then, and I don’t believe it now. And after the first few Primaries, I don’t think anybody’s going to believe it anymore.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 5:54 PM
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:40 PM,
Yep, him ans csdevens are stilling around passing the bong getting all emotional reliving the nostalgic of the summer of love…
Oh and here is Uncle Ted’s take on that….
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010291
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Spirit of 1776 on July 5, 2007 at 5:53 PM
Yeah, that’s the one part of Fred! that irks me. I wish he’d just announce, already.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I remember those days, very well.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM
I don’t care if you believe it.
And if you think the only two sources concerning fred? is KOS and freds? propaganda site, then you need to expand your horizons.
The facts about fred? are out there and your refusal to search them out is damaging your argument. You should read up on him, accept the truth about him, and then come on back and defend his record and history.
Have you EVER seen his interviews? If not, how can you sit there and defend the guy?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:58 PM
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 5:55 PM,
Oddly enough so do I, of course in 1969 I was only 8, so I hadn’t turned on tuned in and dropped out yet. For me it was the seventies, and now that I am older I wish I hadn’t been there and done that. Sadly there seem to be quite a few who still haven’t learned anything from their sixties (or seventies) experiences.
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:01 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:58 PM
Translation: I still got nothing…
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:02 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 5:58 PM
I’m sorry, I once thought you were intelligent enough to read and understand what was being written.
Apparently, you do not.
I have read and seen Fred!’s interviews and speeches. I have followed his career in politics. I remember the Watergate thing very well.
All I have seen you and others spout is sheer, blind, mindless hate and vitriol, with nothing to back up your (untrue) mindless, hateful drivel other than namecalling.
Look, when you have a coherent point to make and can back it up with at least one viable link, let me know.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:05 PM
Hmmm… I’ve never seen you mention any other term for those who support Fred EXCEPT groupy, and then you accuse them of various shortcomings….
Very well…
I think that anyone with CS in their name has serious mental deficiencies…
But I’m NOT specificaly pointing that at CSdeven…
Wow… guess it does work…
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 6:05 PM
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:01 PM
I was a bit older (14), and it was a god-awful nightmare.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:06 PM
So far, Fred! is this election cycle’s version of Gen. Wesley Clark. He looks the part, fills a certain void, hits all the right policy notes, looks strong on paper; but is waiting too long and not taking the race seriously enough. He is going to stumble out the gate, falter in the debates and hopefully cede the nod to Rudy.
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 6:06 PM
And if he doesn’t, what then?
You do know that Rasmussen puts him tied with Hitlery?
Not bad for a lazy, empty suit that doesn’t exist.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:08 PM
That’s not a coincidence. Heavy drug abuse tends to lock a person into whatever level of maturity he was in when it started.
And, as Nuget said, the early sixties weren’t that bad. It was basically like the fifties except for a handful of nutjobs at a few colleges. It was only during the Seventies when that kind of aberrent behavior got publicized so much that it became mainstream.
I wish to heck I COULD forget the Seventies. Pretty much everything about that decade sucked ass. And the overgrown flower children (or “neo-hippies”, as they prefer to be called now) are still stuck in a pathetic time warp pining for the days of America’s lowest ebb.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 6:05 PM
That’s the ticket.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:09 PM
This is getting weird. Somebody criticizes Thompson for possibly being a “mole” for Nixon, and a bunch of groupies start in with the whole “Nixon wasn’t so bad! I’m PROUD I voted for him!” stuff. Ladies and Gentlemen, that’s not a good strategy. I’m afraid Allah may be right, and that Thompson may actually have a Nixon problem. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, but I just want to find the best sane candidate to win in 2008.
Big S on July 5, 2007 at 6:12 PM
Emphasis on win in 2008.
Big S on July 5, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Well, now that we have established that you were blowing smoke when you demanded links and proof from me about freds? record we can get down to brass tacks.
Are you actually trying to say that freds? gosh awful performances on those interviews impressed you? Do you believe his claim from the Lincoln Club speech, that he gave Regan pointers on a speech and Ron used them? Where’s THAT proof?
Do you think that during the London Q&A that freds? continual need to refer to his notes was a glowing example of his grasp of the facts?
When he was so off base on the Cuban immigrant issue were you impressed when it was clear that he was wrong?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:14 PM
/Tries to fit into his Angel Flight 3 piece suit…
/Puts in a CD of Donna Summer….
Hey now… Disco was a MAJOR thing for us poor guys back then… I mean… you actualy got to TOUCH the girl you were dancing with!!!!
And we didn’t know SEX could kill ya yet….
And… I’ll take Disco over RAP anyday…
But then, I got to talk to my Dad last year before he died, about his youth… he graduated High School during WWII… and how he liked to Jitterbug…
Romeo13 on July 5, 2007 at 6:16 PM
Big S on July 5, 2007 at 6:12 PM,
I dont think Nixon is going to be a problem for Fred, Fred himself came clean about his position regarding Nixon which pretty much makes it a none issue. If Fred had tried to conceal his Nixon issue then yes it would have been a problem, but one thing America really loves is a good Mea Culpa.
So partisan rages like the Globe can try to pretend that they are digging up dirt on Fred with the Nixon issue but the first time anyone brings it up to Fred’s face they are going to get their dick knocked in the dirt for trying.
Fred has already made his Mea Culpa and he did it very forthright and upfront. Quite simply it is a none issue.
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:19 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:14 PM
Translation: Still got nothing……..
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:21 PM
Well then, you just haven’t been paying attention. I use the terms “supporters” and “fredheads” and they are all different.
But again, I hasten to point out that I never called ALL fred? supporters groupies. If you feel you fit the term groupie because you support fred? for empty headed emptional reasons and refuse to see the truth about him, who is anyone here to argue against the assessment you claim for yourself.
Yeah, it does work. I don’t fit that description so are in error when you say all people with CS in their name are mentally deficient.
And AGAIN, it’s very clear that every single person in this thread who have decided to discuss me are really trying to hijack a fred? thread.
Stick to the thread topic. The topic is fred?, not csdeven.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:21 PM
I don’t know whether it’s accurate to say that Thompson is “insane” because he prosecuted Nixon. He was just doing his job.
The power of the liberal media in the Seventies dwarfed what it is now, and they were able to turn absolutely nothing into the Crime Of The Century. But they can’t do that anymore. Thompson understands that; and that’s why he makes no bones about his approval of the Libby pardon.
Bush has spent his time in office kowtowing to the liberal media. That’s why he volunteered his staff as sacrificial offers over the Plame nonsense, and that’s why he’s in the mess he’s in now.
I think that most Republican candidates would do pretty much the same. But I know that Thompson won’t. And that’s a good thing.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:22 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:21 PM
Translation: Still got nothing…
So true……….so true……..
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Are you trying to say that fred? is great because Rasmussen’s poll reports he is leading in their poll? The Rasmussen poll is a reflection on the people that support fred? and really is no reflection on his qualifications to be POTUS.
There are as many people supporting that scum Hillary as there are supporting fred?. Do you think she is the obvious best candidate or do you consider the source?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:26 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:14 PM
The bottom line is you don’t like Fred!
Fine.
I do.
I know his record, know his positions.
I have no problem with someone referring to notes. Maybe you do. Big deal. I thought he did fine on his interviews. You don’t. Big deal. I thought he did well on his speeches. You don’t. Big deal. Has he made mistakes? Yeah, after all, he’s not Jesus Christ. He’s a human being and he makes mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?
As for the Nixon thing, he made it public in a book he wrote. No problem as far as I’m concerned.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:28 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:26 PM
So, only Fred! supporters were polled? I don’t think so.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:30 PM
doriangrey on July 5, 2007 at 6:19 PM
I understand. However, my fear is that in many ways the current political climate is relatively impenetrable to such logic. Does the average voter hear this argument? Or do they hear about Nixon, Libby, and that Thompson was a lobbyist (remember, we’re supposed to think that lobbyists are all bad). A lot of it has to do with appearances, and how bad others can make you look to people who are not necessarily paying too much attention. All of this will be news to millions of voters (again) sometime around Halloween ‘08 if he wins the nomination.
Big S on July 5, 2007 at 6:30 PM
That’s understandable, but there’s plenty of time yet- the other candidates just announced super early so it seems later in the election cycle than it really is. The latest scuttlebutt is that he’ll announce mid to late July. In any case it’s pretty obvious he’s running, declared yet or not.
I’m currently in Fred’s corner- partly because after 8 years of Bush I won’t support RINO Rudy, FlipFlop Mitt, Maverick McCain or anyone else without some reliable conservative credentials. There are other candidates I’d vote for, but they just haven’t gained the traction needed to demonstrate electability.
That and I fall in the Consitutional Conservative camp and agree with Fred’s Federalist stance.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Thank you. Next time perhaps we can have an entire discussion without discussing me.
Of course not. Neither are all those polled Hillary supporters yet she leads the polls. Do we accept her without questioning or do we consider the source of her support? We should do the same with fred?.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:35 PM
What do you mean, consider the source of his support?
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:38 PM
In his mind, this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with the Boston Glob’s idiotic rant about a standard prosecutor’s disclosure.
Of course not: it’s all about how much CS hates Fred Thompson and all of his evil “groupies”.
And in the freak’s mind, HE is the only one who’s on point here and WE are all a bunch of trolls trying to “hijack” the thread away from his constant repetitions.
Oh yeah. I’ve never seen anybody from KOS do anything like that.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:39 PM
I’m sure that his Democratic rival in the TN Senate race thought Fred would “stumble out of the gate” when Fred came from way behind in early polls. Well, at least until Fred slaughtered him in the election.
You must be one of those East Coast “moderates” that most others in the US have a different name for: Democrat. If Rudy wins the nomination, the Republican party is gone for good, lost to big government, pro-illegal immigrant, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-Federalist RINOs that already have too much influence in the party.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 6:39 PM
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 6:30 PM
The country is suffering from a great degree of “Bush fatigue” right now. Although Thompson seems like a great candidate to us, and is a very different person from G.W.B., he is too close to the administration in style and through his associations (Libby) for a lot of people to vote for him. You state that “after 8 years of Bush” you’re looking for someone like Thompson. I’m afraid the majority of voters will use the same argument in favor of someone very different from Thompson.
Big S on July 5, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Who are those who support fred?. Why do they support him?
Same with Hillary. Who are those who support her? Why do they support her?
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Why would anyone make it about you, given your mindless and repetetive trolling, name-calling and attention-whoring? I can’t imagine.
Hollowpoint on July 5, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Go to his website http://fredfile.imwithfred.com/ and see for yourself.
His supporters are average people who want a strong leader as President.
As for Hitlery, well, we know who/what support her. I call them socialists…
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Oh great. That’s just what we need. Go ahead; beg the nutjob to please, please – Oh for the love of God PLEASE tell us all about his Fred Thompson conspiracy theories.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:43 PM
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Heh heh.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:44 PM
Well, since you are so upset, I’ll try to get you back on the topic of the thread instead of talking about me……
So, fred? has totally failed at every interview he has been in and THAT is more important than being a mole for the Nixon administration.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:45 PM
In what way? Specifics, please, not hyperbole.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Actually I am a West Coast Moderate, a Schwarzenegger Republican/Goldwater conservative. And the Republican party better move our Libertarian/Secular way if they still want to be a viable party. Because if I remember correctly, your religious wingnuttted Terri Schiavo & abortion-obsessed congress was swept out last November, and America ain’t heading back your way.
The Sinner on July 5, 2007 at 6:52 PM
A lot of fred? supporters, just like Hillary’s supporters, ignore his pro-abortion stance in 1994. The fact is that they are believing a lie. Most don’t care that fred? manufactured an image with his red pickup truck faker. Most dismiss his work for a lobbying firm that was trying to screw the victims of unscrupulous employers. Most try to minimize his election in 1994 as part of the complete dis-satisfaction with the dems and swept in the reps. A lot ignore his weak senate record and make excuses for his support of McCain/Feingold. And how many fred? supporters have you met that criticize him for playing games with his announcement date and his absolutely dismal performnce in his interviews?
These are all traits of various fred? supporters from the groupie to the standard supporter and they have to be taken into account when reading poll numbers.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:54 PM
No, it’s not just more important that retarded conspiracy theory…
It’s more important to you than ANYTHING ON EARTH that you repeat at least a hundred times in every thread mentioning Fred Thompson’s name that you didn’t think he was funny enough on Jay Leno to be elected President.
Somehow you SEE what’s on TV a whole lot more clearly than everyone else does, and if only you type it over and over and over again enough times, then we’ll all recognize your clarity of vision and Fred Thompson’s “failure”.
Yet, for some utterly inconceivable reason, all people ever do is call you a monomaniacal freak. Will wonders never cease?
logis on July 5, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Ohhh, now all of a sudden, it all makes sense.
See? I told you – all you have to do is keep repeating the same things over and over and over again, and eventually people will all figure out how much is really going on inside that head of yours.
logis on July 5, 2007 at 7:01 PM
I alreday pointed them out and you make excuses for him. WHY ask the same question again? This is the reason you should be researching fred? yourself. People don’t not take to heart information that they don’t have to work for.
But, I’ll try one.more.time.
Having to refer to your notes is OK with you. I don’t know of anyone who thinks that it is acceptable for a person to have to refer to his notes to answer questions that he supposedly hold as core beliefs.
Hannity and Robinson led fred? to the answers they wanted after asking him what he thought and he didn’t answer.
fred? also says he will be supportive of the war in Iraq as long as the soldiers are supportive. Do you REALLY think the CinC, who has all the intel and the responsibility of the country in his hands, should defer his support of the war to soldiers who have only the view of the neighborhoods they operate in? THAT is exactly freds? position.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 7:02 PM
When you’re ready to come back to the adult table and use your adult voice, I am giving you permission to try to engage me again.
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 7:04 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 6:54 PM
So now, you can profile every supporter of Fred!?
What, are you some kinda god or something?
Please….
Just more hyperbole. I asked for specifics, and all you do is type the same thing. You could sava a lot of time by just using copy/paste.
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 7:07 PM
csdeven on July 5, 2007 at 7:02 PM
>yawn
jdawg on July 5, 2007 at 7:09 PM
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