New Vent: NBC’s Emotional Terrorism

posted at 9:04 pm on July 3, 2007 by Allahpundit

On May 17, NBC reported a blockbuster exclusive on the superiority of Dragon Skin body armor over Interceptor, the body armor that the US Army issues to soldiers in combat zones. But NBC’s story has a major flaw: It’s wrong about nearly everything.


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Thanks for covering this story. I’ve been following the body armor story since the Armed Forces Committee hearing and it has pretty much disappeared from Google news.

Three more points that could have been mentioned are:
1. The Dragon Skin armor was tested flat because being wrapped around a body opens up gaps in the scales.

2. In the hearings Pennacle’s expert consultant admitted under oath that Dragon Skin was “not ready for prime time.”

3. Under combat conditions normal in Iraq the scales just fall to the bottom of the jacket.

The story line that NBC is trying to advance is that the nutroots “care more about the troops” than George Bush. Here, their proof is that Bush’s Military is so corrupt that they set troops die to save money, or help some manufacturer. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/20/16826/2793)

Something is a little twisted where the expression of support depends on an accusation of corruption.

TunaTalon on July 4, 2007 at 10:16 AM

Charlie Quidnunc has audio on this topic that is truly worth listening to. Lots of details that will make smoke come out of your ears. #62 and #64

RushBaby on July 4, 2007 at 10:32 AM

“Emotional terrorism” is right on! Hopefully this can get around because that is such an appropriate description. Really opens the eyes. I watched that original broadcast and was disturbed. Even if they do a correction it doesn’t matter people only remember the shock of the original broadcast. Unless their like minded competition on the other networks could pile on and make this a big story it won’t resonate. If Fox says anything they will just chalk it up to the right wing conspiracy against MSM. NBC should mail a written apology to every military family member.

Drtuddle on July 4, 2007 at 10:36 AM

Danny Dietz is getting his statue. Danny was a member of a Navy Seal team that got locked into an epic battle with over 100 Taliban fighters and the story has now been immortalized in the book by Marcus Luttrell, “Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10″.
Why is this such a big deal? Danny’s hometown of Littleton, CO had some folks who were upset that the statue showed him holding a weapon. Well in the end the staatue was built and it will be unveiled later today.

LakeRuins on July 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM

Two points.

1. The armor DESIGN for dragon is fataly flawed. Its built on a series of overlapping plates, much like Scale Mail was in the middle ages… and Scale also had the fundamental flaw of being worthless at angles. The arrow/sword/spear would slip between the scales… this is a basic design element that I don’t see how they will overcome.

2. On the Navy ship question, its all about costs of personel and maintenance. A Littoral SQUADRON takes less than half the crew of a battleship, and its also MUCH easier to fix. Modern construction methods and design are WAY superior to what we used to have…

Romeo13 on July 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM

I just went over to MSNBC News and posted the link to this Vent HERE.

pjcomix on July 4, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Just wait until Olby starts offering his commmentaries on the regular NBC Nightly News weeknight newscast.

Captain Scarlet on July 4, 2007 at 7:24 AM

Putting a monkey on NBC news wouldn’t even be original.

ReubenJCogburn on July 4, 2007 at 1:40 PM

This is not just egregious but treasonous.
We should issue a fatwa via talk radio to boycott all advertisers on NBC.
“Nut-root Broadcasting Network”

It is a hard war when not only do you have to battle your enemy but also your own press.

TheSitRep on July 4, 2007 at 1:45 PM

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 8:53 AM

That must be Dragon Skin you’re wearing.

steveegg on July 4, 2007 at 2:04 PM

If I see one more clip with US Service Personnel getting sniped by cavemen muttering those vile words again Im going to puke in a bag and send it to the news jihadi propaganda outlet that airs it!

Good job Bryan, thanks for staying on top of this stuff.

Viper1 on July 4, 2007 at 3:06 PM

I have to agree. We are in a time when everything the MSM says should be taken with a grain of salt and rigorously fact-checked. They are lying to the public and they certainly don’t have our best interests at heart.

Waiting for Waxman to hold hearings ……… ZZZZzzzzz

Once again the left and its MSM mouth pieces show there is no level too low for them to stoop in order to get their agenda propaganda across.

Had to fix that for ya.

Having carried the Interceptor Body Armor for 22 months over two tours in Iraq ………. and the Dragonskin way too heavy.

Spc Steve on July 3, 2007 at 8:26 PM

Just because you were there wearing the vest under combat conditions, doesn’t make you an expert. Lisa Meyers is obviously more qualified. /sarcoff/

Damn me to hell for trusting the MSM with any frickin’ thing they have to say about anything or anyone.

You’re forgiven, just don’t do it again. Say seven Hail Bryans and steal a liberal’s parking space.

GREAT VENT BRYAN!

As usual, I am outraged but not surprised. I haven’t bothered to tune in to a major network news broadcast in years, for this very reason. As a veteran with a son now serving in Iraq, it sickens me to watch these traitors lie about the war and our troops, ignoring any and all successes, all the while pretending they support our troops.

They are less than scum.

Keep up the great reporting Bryan.

fogw on July 4, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Attack whom you will but that will get you gone. I wouldn’t dance that dance too long.

Advice from a new guy. On-my-soap-box on July 4, 2007 at 9:19 AM

T’was not an attack on the lovely Michelle! But after an eighteen hour day, appx six of which was spent being assaulted by 105 dB rap, I was slightly disappointed at being unable to experience an MM Vent. Her dulcet voice and her pleasing aesthetic would have been the perfect pallitiave.

Mixing all that low end, in the reverberant field no less, may have jostled a few brain cells in the judgement region of my cerebellum.

Nor was it a dig at Bryan, I do enjoy his perspectives. And his excoriation of NBC was well done and much deserved.

Can I just say that, humor, even the lamest of versions, is a defense mechanism, and I was startled by the hairy man?

And I also forgot to insert an appropriate emoticon.
Such as…D’oh!

In any case, Mea Culpa.

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 8:53 AM
That must be Dragon Skin you’re wearing.

steveegg on July 4, 2007 at 2:04 PM

No, but my helmet was strapped too tight.

On a serious note. I really am interested in what the end users of Dragonskin and Interceptor have to say about each system.

Commenters wrote of the pros & cons of the each.

What I want to know is; What are the results in the field?
Any stats on the number of actual penetrations of the two?

IOW…how many people have been shot and survived?

We all know manufacturers will sometimes fudge test results. Or perform tests that don’t reflect reality.

On the other hand, the military isn’t always keen about adopting new technologies.

During AR-15 trials Eugene Stoner was essentially told by some Army brass than if his weapon was adopted he would have the blood of US servicemen on his hands.

And the DoD did make huge mistakes in the AR’s early deployment. No chrome lined chamber, wrong gunpowder, and no cleaning kits.

They learned their lesson, and corrected the problems, but not before alot of GIs and Marines died holding a mal-functioning rifle. AKA; a club.

And why is the Army continuing the M4/M16 line when Delta is helping develop better rifles such as the HK M416?
apollyonbob on July 3, 2007 at 7:35 PM

The 416 does address the main reliability issue of the M-16, it’s direct gas impingement OS.

Replacing DGI with a push rod is a major leap forward.
It is a mystery why DoD doesn’t see that.

I would offer the “not invented here” syndrome, but that didn’t stop the services from adopting the German H&K MP-5, and the Belgian FN M240. Or the Swedish Bofors, Italian Beretta M-9, etc.

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Hmmm…didn’t quite get the blockquotes right on the above.

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Dear Mr. Preston,

I certainly hope you and the rest of the Hot Air Crew are contacting NBCnews about this so they will publicly retract their story.

I appreciate you all for what you do.

TSgt Ken Gentner
United States Air Force

Black Adam on July 4, 2007 at 8:07 PM

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM

As I recall, the AR16 was shoved down the throat of the brass by McNamara and it was a disaster. Sure enough, I remembered correctly:

Secretary Robert McNamara ordered a halt to M14 production in January 1964, after receiving reports that M14 production was insufficient to meet the needs of the armed forces. Secretary McNamara had long been a proponent of weapons program consolidation among the armed services. At the time, the AR-15 was the only rifle that could remotely fulfill a requirement of a ‘universal’ infantry weapon for issue to all services. McNamara ordered the weapon be adopted unmodified, in its current configuration, for immediate issue to all services, despite receiving reports noting several deficiencies with the M16 as a service rifle, including the lack of a chrome-lined bore and chamber, the 5.56 mm projectile’s instability under Arctic conditions, and the fact that large quantities of 5.56 mm ammunition required for immediate service were not available. In addition, the Army insisted on the inclusion of a forward assist plunger to help push the bolt into battery in the event that a cartridge failed to seat in the chamber through fouling or corrosion. Such a device had been incorporated into later versions of the AR-10, which also had a chrome-lined chamber to prevent corrosion (Pikula). Colt on the other hand, had argued the rifle was a ‘self-cleaning’ design, requiring little or no maintenance. Colt, Eugene Stoner, and the U.S. Air Force believed that a forward assist needlessly complicated the rifle and added about $4.50 to its procurement cost, with no real benefit. As a result, the design was split into two variants: the Air Force’s M16 without the forward assist, and for the other service branches, the XM16E1 with the forward assist….

When the XM16E1 reached Vietnam with U.S. troops in 1966, reports of jamming and malfunctions in combat immediately began to surface. Although the M14 had a chrome-lined barrel and chamber to resist corrosion in combat conditions (a danger learned from WWII Pacific theatre combat experience), the M16/XM16E1 had no chrome-lined bore or chamber. Several documented accounts of troops killed by enemy fire with jammed rifles broken-down for cleaning eventually brought a Congressional investigation.

So you parallel to this case may be correct in that overriding the considered opinion of the professionals who depend on their equipment for their very lives is a dangerous thing.

TheBigOldDog on July 4, 2007 at 8:53 PM

The manufacturers of intercepter, and the families involved should bring a lawsuit against NBC for their intentional mis-information and willful harm. Congress and the military should also be sued. Congress for not reviewing the facts and playing politics, and the military for not agressively, publicly going after the liars causing such damage.

Rode Werk on July 4, 2007 at 9:34 PM

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 4:44 PM
As I recall, the AR16 was shoved down the throat of the brass by McNamara and it was a disaster. Sure enough, I remembered correctly:

Secretary Robert McNamara ordered a halt to M14 production in January 1964, after receiving reports that M14 production was insufficient to meet the needs of the armed forces. Secretary McNamara had long been a proponent of weapons program consolidation among the armed services. At the time, the AR-15 was the only rifle that could remotely fulfill a requirement of a ‘universal’ infantry weapon for issue to all services. McNamara ordered the weapon be adopted unmodified, in its current configuration, for immediate issue to all services, despite receiving reports noting several deficiencies with the M16 as a service rifle, including the lack of a chrome-lined bore and chamber, the 5.56 mm projectile’s instability under Arctic conditions, and the fact that large quantities of 5.56 mm ammunition required for immediate service were not available. In addition, the Army insisted on the inclusion of a forward assist plunger to help push the bolt into battery in the event that a cartridge failed to seat in the chamber through fouling or corrosion. Such a device had been incorporated into later versions of the AR-10, which also had a chrome-lined chamber to prevent corrosion (Pikula). Colt on the other hand, had argued the rifle was a ’self-cleaning’ design, requiring little or no maintenance. Colt, Eugene Stoner, and the U.S. Air Force believed that a forward assist needlessly complicated the rifle and added about $4.50 to its procurement cost, with no real benefit. As a result, the design was split into two variants: the Air Force’s M16 without the forward assist, and for the other service branches, the XM16E1 with the forward assist….

When the XM16E1 reached Vietnam with U.S. troops in 1966, reports of jamming and malfunctions in combat immediately began to surface. Although the M14 had a chrome-lined barrel and chamber to resist corrosion in combat conditions (a danger learned from WWII Pacific theatre combat experience), the M16/XM16E1 had no chrome-lined bore or chamber. Several documented accounts of troops killed by enemy fire with jammed rifles broken-down for cleaning eventually brought a Congressional investigation.
So you parallel to this case may be correct in that overriding the considered opinion of the professionals who depend on their equipment for their very lives is a dangerous thing.

TheBigOldDog on July 4, 2007 at 8:53 PM

Eggzakly.

Thanks for the link. I had forgotten the McNamara angle.

Best and brightest…my as…uhh…foot.

soundingboard on July 4, 2007 at 10:05 PM

also guys, the army had a houmoungous contract for powder that burned to fast for the design and raised the cyclic rate above a critical number. below the number they got about 4.5million shots between failures but with it the rate dropped to about750.

pk on July 5, 2007 at 12:32 AM

Nice vent, Bryan.

Well, once again, the MSM has demonstrated why we can no longer trust them. Yes, years ago, NBC faked a report concerning design flaws of a particular Ford car….now this.

Well, NBC conducted their tests in accordance to Islamo-Nazi standards…propaganda to help the enemas of our nation.

I suggest that all of the military deny access to NBC whether they retract the story or not. Every time an NBC reporter shows up to do a story, either escort that person from the area, or place them under arrest for trespassing.

Hey, MSM…this is just another example why many of us turn to Michelle, Laura, Mark Levin, Monnica Crowley, etc., FNC, and talk radio…because you guys can no longer be trusted. There is a reason why you are called the Drive By Media, the Dinosaur Media and whatever else! You guys should start wearing burkas.

The False Dervish on July 5, 2007 at 8:54 AM

And yes, you guys did commit an act of Emotional Terrorism. Thank you for aiding the Islamo-Nazis!

The False Dervish on July 5, 2007 at 8:56 AM

excellent report.

jummy on July 5, 2007 at 10:31 AM

Those who extol a disdain for the military or others with opposing viewpoints, the commentary on Nothing But C#$* on NBC is not unusual. What would be unusual is that they allowed the facts to be presented in an unbiased manner.

Facts are only useful when they serve their means and even then they are convoluted to make their point.

For example, the death counts in Afghanistan and Iraq publicized are implied to be military casualties, vice the reality they are civilian deaths of innocent believers in the true Islam at the hands of misguided fundamentalist ilsamic cowards.

MSGTAS on July 5, 2007 at 11:00 AM

If NBC ran this story as being about trying to get the best equipment available for our troops, that’s one thing. But this seems more about trying to make the Army, and the Bush administration, look bad.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 5, 2007 at 12:39 PM

Would someone be kind enough to post a list of NBC’s sponsors so I know who to forward this Vent to along with my withdrawal of business? Thanks much.

Numenorean on July 5, 2007 at 1:11 PM

The Army must be on really solid ground for a General to come out and suggest that NBC was engaged in “emotional terrorism.”

Leaving aside the issue of body armor effectiveness under combat conditions to others, what really bothers me about this vent is the way NBC misconstrued the role the “inventor” played in the development. That wasn’t misleading it was a blatant lie in a league with Dan Rather’s faked memos. Our troops deserve better.

highhopes on July 5, 2007 at 2:52 PM

NBC just did another hatchet job on the military on the nightly news. Reporting on the marines shooting innocent civilians. Don’t they know this is war and stuff happens sometimes (if anything DID happen)? These NBC people are really sickening traitors. When will it stop?

By the way, has Hot Air heard anything from NBC about this Vent?

OBX Pete on July 5, 2007 at 7:24 PM

Richard Davis, owner and inventor of Second Chance body armor, used to demonstrate his product to police agencies by shooting himself point-blank in the chest with a .44 magnum handgun. He also would demonstrate being shot in the chest at point blank range with the .308 rifle, while standing on one foot to show that all that crap about a rifle bullet throwing a man backwards is Hollywood crap.

I say we get the “inventor” of this Dragon stuff to stand up in it and let’s shoot at him point blank with a .308 rifle. Okay, how about AK-74 (NOT the old .30 cal. AK-47!)

He could prove this one easily if he’s willing to stand behind it, as it were.

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The Machine on July 5, 2007 at 9:47 PM

Whaddaya know, Youtube video of the above, Rich Davis gets shot with .398 rifle…

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The Machine on July 5, 2007 at 9:49 PM

“.308″ not .398…

type tpye tepy typo typo typo

The Machine on July 5, 2007 at 9:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS_2l8nGdg

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The Machine on July 6, 2007 at 1:17 AM

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