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CBS: British jihadis were recruited by leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq; Update: Brown bans ministers from using “Muslim” in connection with attacks? Update: Glasgow jihadis were tipped about police pursuit; Update: Burned jihadi ID’d

posted at 9:21 am on July 3, 2007 by Allahpundit
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I was set to lead with the news from the BBC that all eight suspects are medical professionals — seven of them doctors — and all are linked to Britain’s NHS. Turns out that’s just a footnote to the real scoop, though.

British intelligence services increasingly believe that the failed car bombings in London and Glasgow bare the fingerprints of al Qaeda in Iraq, CBS News has learned.

Intelligence sources tell CBS News that the people behind the attempts were directly recruited by Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, the present leader of the terror group’s Iraq franchise.

Police investigating the plot had arrested eight people Tuesday, including at least six suspects trained as doctors, including a man of Indian nationality arrested in Australia. Sources close to the investigation told CBS News on Tuesday that another two or three arrests were likely to be seen in Britain, but that two of the people already in custody were likely to be released without charge.

Sources tell CBS News that al-Muhajir recruited the men between 2004 and 2005, while they were living in the Middle East, upon orders from then-al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Al-Muhajir was told to recruit young men who could easily move into Western countries, assimilate and lay low until the time came to attack. Britain has a fast-track visa program for medical students which makes it easier for them to enter the country.

Hence the interest in doctors. Hey, anyone else remember that press conference Bush gave back in May in which he claimed Osama had ordered Zarqawi to launch attacks in the west? And all our bien pensants laughed because of course “there was never any evidence that Zarqawi had any ambitions beyond Iraq’s borders” — even though there was? I’m just flagging that for you now in case this CBS story pans out so that you’ll know what you’re looking at when the old media CW metamorphoses into the new media CW right before your very eyes.

Stand by for updates.

Update: One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal. Another question is whether all of the suspects (of which there are, presumably, five or six given what the blockquote says about two of them probably being cleared soon) really were in the Middle East at or around the same time. According to the Independent, Mohammed Asha came to Britain in 2005; before that he was in Jordan, where Zarqawi was from and where he’d staged at least one terrorist operation before his death. If he did meet directly with al-Muhajir, the latter probably came The same Independent article places Bilal Abdulla, the unburned Glasgow jihadi from Iraq, in Britain as of 2006. One possibility is that al-Muhajir didn’t directly recruit all of the suspects but only one or two ringleaders, who were in turn dispatched to recruit other doctors. That’s how AQ leadership allegedly recruits these days — by training trainers in Pakistan who are then sent back to their home countries to lure the locals. A detail in the Guardian supports that theory:

While those under arrest reveal the international nature of the linked attacks, two sources with knowledge of the investigation said there was a belief that some of the cell were homegrown. Describing current thinking about the nature of those behind the conspiracy, a counter-terrorism source said: “Some are British.” Another well-placed official said a British element “remained a possibility”.

The same article alleges that Asha is the ringleader, which means he’s the likeliest candidate to have met with al-Muhajir personally. But when and where? According to profiles of him, he was famous among his acquaintances for being consumed with his studies. When would he have gone to Iraq? Or did al-Muhajir slip across to Jordan to meet with him there? Seems hard to believe one of Zarqawi’s top lieutenants would have risked a border crossing for something like this.

Update: On the other hand:

CBS News has found a posting dated Feb. 20, 2006, by someone using the name Mohammed Asha, of Jordanian nationality, on an Islamic Internet chat forum. Referring to a cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed published by European newspapers, the post reads: “We have had to put up with you in the West for a long time. But now, after you insulted our prophet, we shall not forgive you.”

The posting was found on a forum that did not appear to represent or be a regular platform exclusively for extremist view points.

The Times floats a little circumstantial evidence too:

Neighbors said the family was insular, but in the last few weeks two men who appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent had started staying with the Ashas at the house.

Chris Shaw, a postal worker who delivered mail to the Asha family, said he was struck that over the last three months or so, Dr. Asha started receiving more packages and certified mail than usual.

Update: Breaking now on Sky — British cops say they have all the “key suspects” in custody.

Update: Via Weasel Zippers, a lurch towards Orwell within the new British government:

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on ­terror” is to be dropped.

The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair.

Read ex-jihadi Hassan Butt’s thoughts on how to approach this issue if you haven’t already. He’s a bit more, shall we say, forthright about the problem.

Update: Two more arrests now, both in Blackburn. No word yet on whether there’s a medical connection.

Update: Best guesses are that the jihadis here were trying to make their own fuel-air bomb. Go over to Confederate Yankee and see for yourself what one of them does when it’s made properly. Remember, according to Larry Johnson, this is a “non-event.” Click the image to watch.

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Update: “[U]p to 12 members of Al Qaeda were sent to work in the NHS,” sources tell the Daily Mail, which also has a scoop about why the Glasgow bombing seemed even more amateurish than the London car bombs:

It emerged the Glasgow attack was carried out in a moment of panic after the two suspected terrorists who drove a Jeep into the airport realised police were minutes away from arresting them.

The net was closing in on junior doctor Bilal Abdulla and his companion but just minutes before the attack, a phone call to their home alerted them that police were on their way, according to sources.

As Met police officers, who had travelled to Glasgow the night before, approached their rented home in the commuter village of Houston, Renfrewshire, the men are said to have been speeding down the motorway towards Glasgow Airport to complete their mission earlier than planned.

The obvious question: who tipped them?

Update: This is beyond parody:

In Glasgow, police carried out controlled explosions on a car outside a mosque in the city at around 5am. The car, which has now been removed for forensic analysis, was linked to Saturday’s attack on Glasgow airport.

Officers had waited for prayers at the mosque, which is not linked to the inquiry, to finish before looking at the car. The bomb squad was called in as a precaution and there was no intelligence that a device was inside.

Update: Iraqi NSA Mowaffaq al-Rubaie says it wouldn’t surprise him if the Glasgow jihadis cut their chops in Iraq.

Update: Sort of old news by now, but Sky is confirming from its sources that the Glasgow jihadis also drove the car bombs in London. The name of the burned suspect is Dr. Khalid Ahmed.

Update: Star Newsweek reporters Isikoff and Hosenball tackle the AQI angle and come up with … not much we didn’t already know.

An official familiar with the investigation said that no firm connection had yet been established between any of the suspects and the Iraq group, and there certainly is no evidence yet that it might have orchestrated the U.K. plot. But, said the official, there may be reason to suspect that those detained have been in touch with known associates of the ultra-violent insurgent group set up by Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi.

However, because the Iraq connection is so tentative at this stage, officials on both sides of the Atlantic remain skeptical that the U.K. plot was orchestrated by Al Qaeda’s top leaders…

British and U.S. officials contacted by NEWSWEEK said investigators were still trying to figure out how the suspects in the plot—eight have now been arrested in the U.K. and Australia, and seven are believed to be doctors or medical students—got together to plan and carry out the failed bombings. A British official said it was possible all had somehow cooked up the plot before coming to Britain. But it is also possible they did not meet up until after all were in the country, where they appear to have had easy entrée to Britain’s medical education and nationalized health-care systems.


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he claimed Osama had ordered Zarqawi to launch attacks in the west

Thank goodness, Osama and Zarqawi have been reunited.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 3, 2007 at 9:29 AM

and to head off the Ron Paul “useful idiots” among us.

Former British Jihadist speeks

When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network – a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology – I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.

By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this “Blair’s bombs” line did our propaganda work for us.

More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.

And as with previous terror attacks, people are again saying that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy.

For example, on Saturday on Radio 4’s Today programme, the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: “What all our intelligence shows about the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq.”
I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were still fighting for their cause, I’d be laughing once again.

jp on July 3, 2007 at 9:32 AM

Do you think these guys performed their NHS duties with unbiased detachment? I don’t. It might be a good idea for the NHS to start a review.

Retread on July 3, 2007 at 9:37 AM

I guess I will be avoiding South Asian doctors from now on. So don’t be suprized when the outrage about the boycot comes up.

saiga on July 3, 2007 at 9:42 AM

“He’s no uberman.”

The failed theory of ‘impoverished & dis-affected yutes’ fueling this death & destruction has yet another nail in its pathetic coffin.

Mr. Spencer & his Jihad Watch have done a first class job of highlighting the real motivator in this global pandemic of hate, death, violence & destruction – radical islam.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 3, 2007 at 9:43 AM

saiga on July 3, 2007 at 9:42 AM

I spoke with a brother-in-law in Manchester….he said they are unavoidable, that the system is stacked with them.

Limerick on July 3, 2007 at 9:45 AM

jp on July 3, 2007 at 9:32 AM

That was an excellent article. It confirms much of what the Right has been saying all along…we are not dealing with a religion of peace, nor are we dealing with a religious leadership that is open to negotiations.

jediwebdude on July 3, 2007 at 9:46 AM

I wonder if this circumstance will affect patients’ choice of a physician.

Kralizec on July 3, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Britain’s stupid immigration policies have led to this. They will never have any measure of security as long as they fall prey to political correctness, multiculturalism and the fear of being called names. We’re not far behind.

The small percentage of muslims there that actually want to benefit from living in a western society and become productive members would be happy to see the other 95% booted out. Of course it’ll never happen.

I don’t know why the Brits just don’t give up and convert en masse … they’re halfway there already.

darwin on July 3, 2007 at 9:47 AM

One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal.

Indeed. Couple that with the fact these men had extensive studies in chemistry as part of their education.

Conspiracy Alert: Did the Brits infiltrate their plans and give them bad advice on bomb making? It’s better to catch them in the act of detonating a dud.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 9:57 AM

I don’t know why the Brits just don’t give up and convert en masse … they’re halfway there already.

darwin on July 3, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Because the average Brit is just like you and me–disgusted and outraged. The difference is that their moonbats have succeeded in making multiculturalism the law of the land and the elite politicians toe that line. It is harder for them to protest and have their voices heard because they are a few years ahead of us on the road to politically correct “utopia.”

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 10:02 AM

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 9:57 AM

I think it is the lack of the nuts-n-bolts experience these people probably have. My doctor can start his lawn mower and his car but I doubt he would do a very good job on engine repair, even with a how-to book in his hands.

Limerick on July 3, 2007 at 10:10 AM

So it would seem that inviting Muslims into the West was a mistake.

Since their loyalties are anti-Constitutional and anti-Declaration of Human Rights.

And pro-Islamic imperialism.

Those who do not apostacize should be encouraged to return to the Glorious Islamic States of their origin and start reforming the terrorism out of the Koran and Sharia Law.

And let us get back to our real work. Exploring the solar system and the genome, among other things

(Things other than defending our Civilization against their attacks from without and within.)

Believing Muslims do not believe in our secular system.

Since “aiming for a theocratic tyranny” isn’t a good match with “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness“.

Time for the Big Hadj.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 10:12 AM

moonbats have succeeded in making multiculturalism the law of the land and the elite politicians toe that line.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 10:02 AM

Yup,
We’ll be headed that way here if we don’t stay active and vigilant- Look at the shamnesty bill for example.

Trooper on July 3, 2007 at 10:13 AM

If I were a Brit, I would demand an investigation into the causes of death of patients who were under the care of these jihadi MDs. Imagine the consequences if just one person were found to be murdered as a result of a medical version of the slow jihad.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 10:13 AM

Maybe this sleeper cell got antsy, and decieded to move before their ‘explosives expert’ arrived. Or they found out that their bombmaker wasn’t going to make the party due to unexpected delays so they tried to whip up their own carboms.

BohicaTwentyTwo on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Time for the Big Hadj.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 10:12 AM

It worked for spain in 1492-
It may be the only effective remedy.

Trooper on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 AM

It seems anytime I hear a Brit call a spade a spade, they are labeled racist.

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 AM

How can anyone reconcile; the needed rationality inherent in becoming a doctor, with the irrationality of blowing up and killing innocent people? I guess there can be insanity in the most brilliant minds. But this level of insanity? Can this all be distilled down to the radical aspects of the ROP? Appears so.
Personally, I don’t think Rove had anything to do with this! :p

captivated_dem on July 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

We’ll be headed that way here if we don’t stay active and vigilant-

Trooper on July 3, 2007 at 10:13 AM

My greatest fear.

It seems anytime I hear a Brit an American call a spade a spade for border enforcement, they are labeled racist.

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 AM

Fixed it.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 10:18 AM

I think it is the lack of the nuts-n-bolts experience these people probably have. My doctor can start his lawn mower and his car but I doubt he would do a very good job on engine repair, even with a how-to book in his hands.

My perception is clouded since I know more than a few gadget-freak/fire-bug doctors. But duly notes about “nuts-n-bolts”. A person can have a firm grasp on explosive characterists of material (chemistry) but yet lack the gadget sense on how to detonate it.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 10:24 AM

Also, being a doctor can have it’s negative side since some are convinced whatever they do is correct.

I’ve seen “God Complex” translate into other professional abilities. I’ve mingled with a few where I got the impression, “I could be a lawyer/ architect/ businessman/ writer/ etc. if I had a few extra hours a week”.

I’m not trying to slam doctors, but when you are at the top of the food chain, you can get cocky about your abilities.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 10:31 AM

natesnake:

You probably know this one:

A newcomer to heaven was being shown the glowing celestial dining room by his cherubim guide.

It was a self-serve line with a hundred of patient angels waiting for their manna and ambrosia when a flustered-looking doctor came into the room and immediately butted to the head of the line.

The surprised newcomer asked his guide:

Who’s that?”

The guide replied:

Oh, that’s just God. Sometimes He likes to pretend he’s a doctor.”

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 10:45 AM

I’ve been prepared for a long time now to say I won’t be seen by a male muslim doctor and will tell them honestly why. In fact, I can always use the “it’s against my belief system to be touched or seen by a strange man.”

As for now, I’m waiting to see what fallout, if any, this will produce. Hopefully more folks will wake up.

yggdrasil on July 3, 2007 at 10:45 AM

Update: One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal.

Possibly another case of “premature detonation“. Those who remember a former post which linked to that clip of Achmed, the Dead Terrorist/Skeleton Puppet
on JihadTube may have discovered that the Jihadi Censors removed the video. I found it again and thought it was worth reposting. It will bring a smile to your face, or in my case, more like uncontrollable laughter, if you feel the need. I hope LiveLeak doesn’t remove it too. Content warning: mild cursing.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 10:49 AM

These PC politicians will kill us all if they can. Don’t offend the muslims by saying they blow sh*t up… they might get mad and blow sh*t up.

Sheesh!

Swinehound on July 3, 2007 at 10:52 AM

From Allah’s update:

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

Great. Just great.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 10:53 AM

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 10:45 AM

First time. That’s going into my funny file.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 10:54 AM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.
The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to avoid offending Muslims.

Inevitable. Why use the word ‘men’ either? Don’t want to offend half of the British population who are, after all, of the male persuasion. Hell, why use words like ‘people’ or ‘human’ while their at it. Let’s all pretend that aliens have attacked the UK, then no one will be offended.

Thomas the Wraith on July 3, 2007 at 10:59 AM

Update: One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal…

Perhaps it was another case of “premature detonation”? For those of us who remember this funny clip of Achmed, the Dead Terrorist/skeleton puppet that someone posted here, the previous link to JihadTube doesn’t work because, it seems, their sympathies lie with the poor jihadis.

If you’re in the mood for a good laugh, watch it now before someone yanks it from LiveLeak. Content warning: mild language; do not watch with a full bladder. lmao.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:00 AM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

if this was a test for the new PM, the jihadist found out all they need to know.

jp on July 3, 2007 at 11:01 AM

Thomas the Wraith-

aliens have attacked the U.K….

Truer words.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 11:03 AM

You can’t defeat an enemy if you can’t say his name.
This is too much like Harry Potter and he who’s name can’t be said mentality.

This is hardly the England I remember

400lb Gorilla on July 3, 2007 at 11:04 AM

The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair.

That’s a good little dhimmi. Try to avoid making eye contact, too–they hate that!

As for the terrorists being doctors, take heart. I never would’ve thought we could make the argument that socialized medicine represents an actual national security threat, but what the hell. I’m willing to work with it.

Blacklake on July 3, 2007 at 11:04 AM

You can’t defeat an enemy if you can’t say his name.

America is alone.

JustTruth101 on July 3, 2007 at 11:07 AM

America is alone.

JustTruth101 on July 3, 2007 at 11:07 AM

Not for long. In a couple of years we will be in the same boat as the Euro-dhimmis.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 11:10 AM

NOT SURE WHY MY LINK ABOVE DIDN’T WORK. PREVIEW BUTTON, PLEEEZE!
I’ll try again:
Update: One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal…
Perhaps it was another case of “premature detonation”? For those of us who remember this funny clip of Achmed, the Dead Terrorist/skeleton puppet that someone posted here, the previous link to JihadTube doesn’t work because, it seems, their sympathies lie with the poor jihadis.

If you’re in the mood for a good laugh, watch it now before someone yanks it from LiveLeak. Content warning: mild language; do not watch with a full bladder. lmao.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:00 AM
******fingers crossed this time…********

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Also, all terrorists overly expressive individuals with Muslim alternate sounding names like Mohammed Lindsey will now be reffered to as Dennis.

And the word Petrol is right out.

sunny on July 3, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Why even use a subject at all? The Brits should just lapse into the passive voice. “Attacks have been launched. Car bombs have been used. Attacks on Glasgow and London have been foiled. Arrests have been made.”

Why stop there? If they want to avoid offending people, why report this at all. “Nothing to see here people. Move along.”

Thomas the Wraith on July 3, 2007 at 11:13 AM

Why stop there? If they want to avoid offending people, why report this at all. “Nothing to see here people. Move along.”

Thomas the Wraith

Isn’t that the point of political correctness and multiculturalism? No one can ever be blamed for anything … except white males or Christians of course.

darwin on July 3, 2007 at 11:19 AM

I still contend that the greatest amount of public outrage should be by the Muslim community. If you don’t want your religion hijacked by fanatics, then you better be more vocal.

Their silence translates as acceptence.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 11:20 AM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

That’s the British resolve we all remember! Winston Churchill just spit out his cigar…

notashamed on July 3, 2007 at 11:20 AM

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:13 AM

I can see all three of your posts, Nightmare; and all the links work for me.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 11:21 AM

So the common motivator for these terrorist attacks are medicine and not islam? Bwaaahhh.

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 11:21 AM

So pointless!! Brown sounds shallow and foolish with his ban on “Muslim” and “war on terror”. What kind of man are the Brits dealing with here. Reality by any other name(or no name)is still reality. Ridiculous!!!

jeanie on July 3, 2007 at 11:22 AM

3rd TRY. SORRY THE LINK FEATURE IS NOT COOPERATING. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A PREVIEW BUTTON? I’ve successfully used the link feature many times but now it takes me to a white screen. So here is the link to cut and paste, if you STILL FEEL LIKE HAVING A GOOD LAUGH AT Achmed, the Dead Terrorist skit: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fd_1175784889


Update: One obvious question is why the attacks failed so badly given the bombmaking expertise at al-Muhajir’s disposal…

Perhaps it was another case of “premature detonation”? For those of us who remember this funny clip of Achmed, the Dead Terrorist/skeleton puppet that someone posted here, the previous link to JihadTube doesn’t work because, it seems, their sympathies lie with the poor jihadis.

If you’re in the mood for a good laugh, watch it now before someone yanks it from LiveLeak. Content warning: mild language; do not watch with a full bladder. lmao.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:00 AM

I’d make a lousy jihadi since I can’t even detonate a proper link. Making Drano cocktail, pushing “submit”, then “BOTTOMS UP!” if it doesn’t work. Achhhhmed, meet you by the 72 virgins. I’ll be wearing a red rose… stain around my mouth.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:26 AM

I still contend that the greatest amount of public outrage should be by the Muslim community. If you don’t want your religion hijacked by fanatics, then you better be more vocal.

Their silence translates as acceptence.

natesnake on July 3, 2007 at 11:20 AM

Their silence is not acceptance of their religion being hijacked. It is acknowledgement that their religion is based on a violent, all-encompassing ideology.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Memo to Gordon Brown: Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

CP on July 3, 2007 at 11:32 AM

I’d make a lousy jihadi since I can’t even detonate a proper link. Making Drano cocktail, pushing “submit”, then “BOTTOMS UP!” if it doesn’t work. Achhhhmed, meet you by the 72 virgins. I’ll be wearing a red rose… stain around my mouth.

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at

11:26 AM

LINK TO “PREMATURE DETONATION” IS WORKING. I WILL LIVE ANOTHER DAY (to bug you for a preview button, puleeeze!!)

NightmareOnKStreet on July 3, 2007 at 11:33 AM

I would expect some of the more enlightened newspapers in the UK to use the word MUSLIM in association with TERRORIST attacks in BIG BOLD HEADLINES.

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Gordon Brown as Obi-Wan: “You don’t need to use the word Muslim.”

British Media as Stormtropper: “We don’t need to use the word Muslim.”

Gordon Brown as Obi-Wan: “You don’t want to refer to the war on terror.”

British Media as Stormtropper: “We’re not going to talk about the war or terror.”

Gordon Brown as Obi-Wan: “We can move on now.”

British Media as Stormtropper: “We’re done here. Move on.”

Thomas the Wraith on July 3, 2007 at 11:38 AM

So many Muslim medical doctors involved in the latest terrorist plot (at least five by last count), First we have a Religion of Peace (or so they say) and members of this ROP who are doctors (sworn to heal) and here they are involved in a mass murder plot. Does ANYBODY, except possibly Chris Mathews, see something wrong here? Then too medical doctors are in the upper echelons of society, not the “disadvantaged, discriminated against, poor” that the liberals are screaming about.

MaiDee on July 3, 2007 at 11:48 AM

Memo to Gordon Brown: Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

Memo #2 to Gordon Brown: KMA!

soulsirkus on July 3, 2007 at 11:51 AM

Tipped!!?? It gets even worse.

Best case: A jihadist mole in the British/Scottish police.

Worst case: A jihadist mole in MI5.

Thomas the Wraith on July 3, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Brown bans ministers from using “Muslim” in connection with attacks?

God Save The Queen! What the heck are they smoking in 10 Downing anyway? Opium?

What a mess the ol’ Empire is these days.

Thanks for the most informative thread, AP.

normsrevenge on July 3, 2007 at 12:07 PM

Gloves off.. Drop the tipster and a pack of rabid weasels into Dick Cheney’s boxers.

IreneFingIrene on July 3, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Thomas the Wraith on July 3, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Don’t the Brits have to consult with local imams when they are planning to arrest someone? I’m sure I read that recently.

IrishEi on July 3, 2007 at 12:08 PM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.
The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on ­terror” is to be dropped.

I, for one, will miss our former allies in the wars of western, liberal, self-government against the forces of totalitarianism and evil of all sorts. It was a great run, and all of mankind was better for it.

As things deteriorate and UK government no longer can ally with the U.S. economically and militarily, I wonder if the non-Muslim English people will actually become our enemies?

Jaibones on July 3, 2007 at 12:14 PM

I wonder if the non-Muslim English people will actually become our enemies?

Jaibones on July 3, 2007 at 12:14 PM

I fervently hope not. I have been thinking it’s time for some kind of railroad to pre-rescue the refugees.

RushBaby on July 3, 2007 at 12:28 PM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

Right, it must have something to do with them being doctors that led them to want to blow people up. Maybe for insulting the hippocratic oath?

clghitis on July 3, 2007 at 12:29 PM

If not Muslims, then what do we call them?
And if not the War on Terror, then what is this?
Unbelieveable.
Brown is turning out to be a disappointment. They need John Howard.

Sticky Notes on July 3, 2007 at 12:33 PM

“[U]p to 12 members of Al Qaeda were sent to work in the NHS,”

Are they allowed to say, you know, NHS??

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 12:34 PM

a phone call to their home alerted them that police were on their way,

The Brits have even more powerful affirmative action laws than we do so of course integration of Muslims into law enforcement is a mandate.

The stupid part is the assumption that Muslims who become cops will give up the much stronger bond with Islam, of course there was a phone call, the smart part would be to realize ahead and set up a sting to catch the caller and their contacts.

Speakup on July 3, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Dr Sanity on Doctors gone bad.
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/

pat on July 3, 2007 at 1:04 PM

We in the West simply have not seen a body count big enough to call this a war against Islam. When we finally see that we’ll win quickly. Until then the bodies will continue to pile up.

We can count the “moderates” on one hand, but the Jihadists number in the millions.

Mojave Mark on July 3, 2007 at 1:05 PM

Brown is turning out to be a disappointment. They need John Howard.

Sticky Notes on July 3, 2007 at 12:33 PM

David Cameron is smiling more and more.

Entelechy on July 3, 2007 at 1:11 PM

After the Japanese murdered our servicemen at Pearl Harbor we approached the situation with common sense. We incarcerated anyone who even remotely looked Japanese for the duration of the conflict and then turned their country into carbon. With the exception of trying to buy up all of our golf courses in the 80’s the Japanese have posed no threat since that time.

I think the difference between then and now is the chasm that has grown between the people and their government. 65 years ago we were all on the same page. We were attacked without provocation and responded with a vengeance never before imagined. I think the people (minus the 20 million here illegally) are still on that page while our leaders have turned this country into the world’s biggest tit for our enemies to suck on.

Don’t be surprised if the next words out of Prime Minister Brown’s mouth are “Allah Akbar”!

repvoter on July 3, 2007 at 1:12 PM

Brown has often been referred to by the British media as “more of a traditional Labourite” than Blair was. And it shows.

He’s another gutless trimmer like Neil Kinnock or Denis Healey. Both of whom, BTW, supported Brown for PM over Blair. (Healey in fact called for Blair to step down in Brown’s favor just after he [Blair] first took office.)

Healey wanted Great Britain to “opt out” of the Cold War. (As Defense Minister, he was infamous for his “White Paper” method of gutting Her Majesty’s Armed Forces.)

Kinnock wanted Great Britain to “opt out” of getting the Falklands back, and stopping the IRA from killing people for the crime of not being members of the IRA. (As PM he was infamous for believing that destroying the Tory and Conservative Parties was more important than dealing with the UK’s real problems- like the mushrooming unemployment and industrial implosion caused by his own party’s taxation policies.)

My guess is, Brown will now try to contrive a British “opt out” of the present war. (For which, I predict, he will become infamous in his own right.)

BTW; there is a simple and obvious reason why the “M.D.’s bombs” didn’t go off, and it has nothing to do with their assembly techniques. I’m not going to go into it (on the grounds of not giving useful data to whomever might be monitoring here on behalf of the adverse party), but a moment or so of thought will give you the answer.

Please keep it to yourselves. Thank you.

cheers

eon

eon on July 3, 2007 at 1:17 PM

I’m not going to go into it (on the grounds of not giving useful data to whomever might be monitoring here on behalf of the adverse party), but a moment or so of thought will give you the answer.

Aha, yes. The terrorists are reading, I’m sure!

cardindex7 on July 3, 2007 at 1:32 PM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

Here we go again. It’s another case of the “twenty-something youths.”

I wish those Methodists would stop naming their children Mohammed, it’s getting very confusing.

moonsbreath on July 3, 2007 at 1:35 PM

I still find it extremely depressing in that the guilty will only get a slap on the hand before eventually being released from prison. In the meantime, the British government is busy remodeling more prison cells so the sh*tters don’t face mecca. A-la-a-la-a-la!

p.s.: I do want toilet paper with an image of mohammad on each sheet.

Blake on July 3, 2007 at 1:53 PM

Quick stem the backlash! (You know, that backlash we always worry about, but doesn’t ever happen after MUSLIMS commit terror, which they have a strange habit of doing)

The top story on Yahoo! right now?

Well, it’s one of these instances actually where Yahoo! makes up their own headline for a wire story to display on their home page. Often the libs at Yahoo! do this to create a misleading, if not flat out lying headline, but today’s does happen to reflect something from the story… it’s just odd when they randomly choose to write their own headlines at all.

So here’s how the TOP headline reads on Yahoo!’s home page:

U.K. Muslim group calls terrorists ‘enemies of us all’

but when you arrive at the story, it actually reads:
British Muslim group condemns car bombings

Again, at least in this case Yahoo!’s invented headline isn’t inaccurate, but their history and the fact that they feel the need to do it at all is suspect.

Some have caught various liberal MSM sites using interesting file names for stories… the one in question here caught my eye, but perhaps it’s just a bit of odd wording that came out wrong

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070703/wl_uk_afp/britainattacksreligion

Anyway, I’ll leave you with this gem from the stupid AFP piece. It’s like they have a vault to pull this crap from every time yet another Muslim commits an act of terror:

Bari’s comments come amid continued concern among some sections of Britain’s 1.6-million-strong Muslim community about radicalisation as well as government and police efforts to tackle it.

There have been complaints since the September 11, 2001, attacks in the United States that the Muslim community has been unfairly targeted after a series of high-profile raids.

Those concerns were exacerbated following the July 7, 2005, attacks on London, in which four British Islamist extremists blew themselves up on the capital’s public transport network, killing 52 others and injuring over 700.

“Continued concern”? “Complaints”? STFU, and stop killing people if you don’t want to take heat. These clowns should be thankful they don’t actually have anything to be concerned about, instead of feeding us this BS.

Exit question: Why is there no author for that article?

RightWinged on July 3, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Can’t use the term Muslim when describing a Muslim Terrorist? That leaves, terrorist.

Don’t want to use the term “War on Terror.”

Certainly can’t use “War on Radical Islam.”

Just use “War on.”

Sounds like Brown is a a perfect fit for the Democrats in the US to me.

Don’t want to offend anyone who is trying to kill us? Since tomorrow is the 4th, I am happier than ever we broke away!

Oxybeles on July 3, 2007 at 1:57 PM

Aha, yes. The terrorists are reading, I’m sure!

cardindex7 on July 3, 2007 at 1:32 PM

That kind of information doesn’t need to be seen by anyone, actually. Unless and until I find myself out of legitimate armaments and with a legitimate need to use them, I don’t care if I don’t know how to build a homemade bomb that works. Fortunately, that isn’t likely to happen.

James on July 3, 2007 at 2:13 PM

RightWinged on July 3, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Cool. I’m not the only one who rolls their eyes at my Yahoo home page and the misleading headlines. Any wannabe jounalists out there with a semester or less from any liberal arts college should apply at Yahoo. You’ll fit right in.

repvoter on July 3, 2007 at 2:26 PM

Isn’t every car parked outside a mosque suspect?

So….then….whadda ya say we have the police bomb squad just…ya know…blow them all up!!! To protect the children of course!

As for Gordon Brown banning banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” I agree. Drop this Muslim garbage and Terrorist garbage and call them Islamic Extremists which is what they are! Then we will not hurt anyone’s feeling when we point out that they all just happen to be Muslim.

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on July 3, 2007 at 2:32 PM

BTW; there is a simple and obvious reason why the “M.D.’s bombs” didn’t go off, and it has nothing to do with their assembly techniques. I’m not going to go into it (on the grounds of not giving useful data to whomever might be monitoring here on behalf of the adverse party), but a moment or so of thought will give you the answer.

eon on July 3, 2007 at 1:17 PM

I must say, it’s damn refreshing to see some attention paid to OPSEC for once. I can’t believe some of the things I see and hear in the news that there was no good reason to give out, and plenty of good reasons (like, say, not helping terrorists do a better job of killing us) not to.

ReubenJCogburn on July 3, 2007 at 2:36 PM

Cool. I’m not the only one who rolls their eyes at my Yahoo home page and the misleading headlines. Any wannabe jounalists out there with a semester or less from any liberal arts college should apply at Yahoo. You’ll fit right in.

repvoter on July 3, 2007 at 2:26 PM

You’re not alone dude, I see at least one Yahoo! headline a day that irritates me in some way, and others (when they’re flat out lying) that make me furious. I should probably just change my home page huh?

RightWinged on July 3, 2007 at 2:38 PM

Then we will not hurt anyone’s feeling when we point out that they all just happen to be Muslim.

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on July 3, 2007 at 2:32 PM

Except that he doesn’t even want it mentioned that they terrorists happen to be Muslim. So he wouldn’t be cool with calling them Islamic extremists either.

Personally, I like the term Jihadi extremist, but that probably won’t work either.

Esthier on July 3, 2007 at 2:43 PM

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in ­connection with the ­terrorism crisis.

Heh. Of course.

So, does anyone think things will be better in London by 2012 Olympics or worse?

reaganaut on July 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Eventually, because of this fear of naming the enemy, all the Muslims in the UK are going to be in for a rude awakening. This is just getting stupid. When the state no longer functions with regards to protecting its citizens, the citizens take on that task themselves.

Krydor on July 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Eventually, because of this fear of naming the enemy, all the Muslims in the UK Europe are going to be in for a rude awakening. This is just getting stupid. When the state no longer functions with regards to protecting its citizens, the citizens take on that task themselves.

Krydor on July 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

Entelechy on July 3, 2007 at 3:25 PM

National Health Service doctors linked to terrorism?

I question the timing—obviously the Shrub and his new poodle are trying to distract from the opening of Sicko.

Steve LLamabutcher on July 3, 2007 at 3:45 PM

People, people, slow down…

You are quick to note that the apprehended individuals apparently share the same religious faith,but why do you jump to the conclusion that that is their motive, any more than the fact that they are all in the medical field??

Personally, I feel it is an indictment of the whole medical system in the US. Hillary tried to do something about this, she tried to help us and she was laughed at. These people in England and Scotland obviously share her outrage. I mean just how much do you think they can take?

When the day comes that poor children in the US have their OWN health insurance plans, and don’t have to use the taxpayer provided one, then justice will have been done. Then, doctors will put down their scalpels and propane canisters.

JiangxiDad on July 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM

When the day comes that poor children in the US have their OWN health insurance plans, and don’t have to use the taxpayer provided one, then justice will have been done. Then, doctors will put down their scalpels and propane canisters.

JiangxiDad on July 3, 2007 at 3:51 PM

Re-reading, re-reading, scratchin’ my head. How are poor children going to afford their own health insurance plans instead of a taxpayer-provided one?

Scratch that, don’t answer. I think I almost participated in a threadjack, admittedly a funny one. Gotta stop doing that!

RushBaby on July 3, 2007 at 4:16 PM

RushBaby,
Like Cindy Sheehan, I am happy to bring some light and a smile to your day.

JiangxiDad on July 3, 2007 at 4:30 PM

Doctors Without Morals.

Islam’s latest invention.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 5:47 PM

You are witnessing the last days of England… Gordon Brown has already pi$$ed his panties.Sounds like the democrats here. not a man among them….. SAD.

build the wall on July 3, 2007 at 6:54 PM

Are the British MSM part of the problem or part of the solution ? Well here’s the jolly old Al-BBC (as we Brits call the scumbag liberals that run our national broadcasting company) talking about radical islam..

“It is particularly attractive for young idealists who want to make the world a better place”

So, Al-BBC don’t mention the beheadings, the stonings, Sharia law, the forced conversions, the suicide bombings but instead make islam sound like some gentle hippy-dippy ideal. This is the kind of pro-islamic sh*t that the British people are fed everyday by our political elite.

London Boy on July 3, 2007 at 7:03 PM

Eventually, because of this fear of naming the enemy, all the Muslims in the UK are going to be in for a rude awakening. This is just getting stupid. When the state no longer functions with regards to protecting its citizens, the citizens take on that task themselves.

Krydor on July 3, 2007 at 3:04 PM

I think Europe may be a lost cause. The post-WWII generations have been brainwashed into passivity and the radical Muslims already have a foothold that won’t be easily removed.

Snidely Whiplash on July 3, 2007 at 7:04 PM

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