Arizona governor signs bill forcing employers to verify workers’ legal status
posted at 12:11 pm on July 3, 2007 by Allahpundit
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She’s doing the job Congress won’t do. Federalism fever — catch it!
The governor of the US state of Arizona, Janet Napolitano, has signed into law legislation designed to deter illegal immigrant workers.
The law requires businesses to verify that all their employees are legally entitled to work in the US, or face the prospect of being closed down…
Under the new legislation, an employer’s first offence would be punished by a temporary licence suspension.
A second offence would be punished by what the governor’s office called the “business death penalty” – the permanent revocation of a licence to do business in Arizona.
Speaking of anti-amnesty action at the state level, how’s that burgeoning “Dump Lindsey” movement coming along?
Not well, my friends. But hope springs eternal.
[D]espite incipient rebellion on the right and falling poll numbers, Graham remains on pretty firm footing to win a second term in the Senate. He has amassed a war chest of $3.7 million through the first quarter of this year…
Two new names are circulating in conservative circles [as potential primary challengers]: state GOP Chairman Katon Dawson and David Wilkins, U.S. ambassador to Canada and former state Speaker of the House. Wilkins did not return phone calls.
Dawson said the recruitment drive is “flattering” but that he is focused on the state’s presidential primary in January. “Being a U.S. Senate candidate is something that is not in my playbook right now,” he said.
Even if new candidates jump into the race, South Carolina primary rules may help Graham because voters may vote in either party’s primary. Democrats may turn out to support Graham.
That would be payback, I guess, for Republicans helping to slay the nutroots beast in Connecticut last November. Exit question: Should we read any trends into the fact that Napolitano, a Democrat, feels obliged to crack down here on immigration or is this just another fluke from the state that put two Republicans in the Senate only to have them take the lead on shamnesty?
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man that is going to have a huge impact on Arizona – which has one of the largest illegal immigrant populations in the country. Its going to be very interesting to see how this pans out and how those businesses that use illegal immigrants cope. Not that I have any sympathy for them, if you can’t run your business legally like everyone else then you don’t deserve to have a business
Keli on July 3, 2007 at 12:20 PM
NOW THATS what we’re talkin about!
(damn englishman’s english(sic)}
shooter on July 3, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Nope. After reading the article, I got the opposite impression. My initial joy and astonishment that the leftist Dem Governor of Arizona had so publicly humiliated Kyl, Bush and Jerkoff by demonstrating how simple this really all is.
Then I read her comment and realized, no, this is just the next phase of Shamnesty — she’ll attempt to gain the support of Arizona voters by removing illegal alien labor from their local market and making a mess, and blaming it on the anti-alien forces.
“See what you get, xenophobes?”
Who cares, I still love it.
Jaibones on July 3, 2007 at 12:22 PM
That’s how ya do it.
Props to AZ.
EduardoOTI on July 3, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Goodbye restaurant businesses.
df4jc on July 3, 2007 at 12:23 PM
If the Dems perceived that the immigration was the issue to destroy the Republicans, then yep. The current immigration mess is a product of many accumulative Democrat Liberal Left policies. But they got less heat for it than shallow Republicans who were being swept up in the media circus, thinking they had to go along to hold on to their seats. From the way the media parcels out news time and newsprint space, one would think that 1) only Democrats are running for President 2) only Republicans are responsible for the immigration bill travesty.
Don’t hear about a single Dem who voted for the Shamnesty Bill getting a recall threat or promise to be punished at the polls next time. Kennedy is never challenged, but the Repubs are ripped to shreds.
Just remember, the Dems are pushing for Universal Draft and Mandatory National Service. Give them a veto-proof majority and we’ll be waiting in lines for National Health Service, after doing years of unproductive time as draftees for the National Service, either military or civilian – all determined by political committee assignments.
naliaka on July 3, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Exit question:
I can’t figure it out, it doesn’t play the Neopolitan way. (pun intended)
shooter on July 3, 2007 at 12:25 PM
What are the chances that it is even enforced? I would wager slim to none, just like our current immigration laws.
dawgsleadtheway on July 3, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Now i we could only get California to follow Arizon’a lead but, hey, Arnold seems to spend most of his time catering to the Dems these days – when he isn’t visiting Mexico.
tballard on July 3, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Finally, a politican with brains and wisdom. Everyone get a good look, it might be a long time before we see that combination again.
Leonidas Hoplite on July 3, 2007 at 12:26 PM
I thought this quote from the Hill article was interesting, Am I the only one to catch this?
(Emphasis Mine)
Isn’t that an interesting way to word it? Wonder what that means? Will they try again, or is this the author projecting their view that a Democrat or Open Border/Amnesty type win is a foregone conclusion.
Bad Candy on July 3, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Whether that win is the President or another attempt this term for Amnesty.
Bad Candy on July 3, 2007 at 12:28 PM
You think the two AZ Republicans in the Senate will catch on?
NAH
On-my-soap-box on July 3, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Democrats may turn out to support Graham.
That worked wonders for Linc Chafee here in Rhode Island.
benjamin on July 3, 2007 at 12:36 PM
Of course the illegal immigrants will still BE in Arizona; it will just be harder for them to find work.
Is she cutting off all aid to illegals? Apparently not.
Could she do anything to physically eject illegals from the state if she wanted to? No. (And there is no indication that she wants to.)
Closing down businesses is one thing, but closing entire INDUSTRIES is something else entirely. If this is enforced, it could create havok – and I suspect that is the whole idea.
logis on July 3, 2007 at 12:41 PM
I actually thought this type of thing was already in place. As a business owner, I have to verify that the people I hire are allowed to work and have the proper ID. Silly me, I never thought you could just do whatever you want, but then again, I would never want criminals working for me.
Hening on July 3, 2007 at 12:42 PM
No fluke. Napolitano is an executive and subject to different political dynamic. Drivers licenses for illegals was Gray Davis’ undoing. Napolitano must be feeling the heat. This Allahpundit is a harbinger of things to come. Pro-illegal alien politicians will pay at the city, county and state levels.
Theworldisnotenough on July 3, 2007 at 12:43 PM
This is something Bad Candy. I’m not really sure why that would be written. Very unnecessary and written in such a way as to give the reader the impression that the shamnesty bill will inevitably pass in 2009. In my experience, real journalism is supposed to back up sweeping statements like that with some kind of source reference, quote, data, etc. There it just seems to be stated as fact. Not sure what to make of that.
Zetterson on July 3, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Yes, my ‘governor’ signed the bill. That was a BIG surprise here, but I think with the pressure residue from the Immigration bill fight, she had no choice.
However, just because she signed it, doesn’t mean she will enforce it. Nappy and Terry Goddard (the state AG) go out of their way to circumvent the anti-illegal laws in this state.
Prop 200, Prop 100 – effectively useless as long as they are in power. The County DA (Thomas) is currently taking legal action against judges who still give illegal aliens bail (prop 200 requires NO BAIL for illegal aliens).
My senators? Heh – McCain is a senator in name only, he is too busy running a doomed-to-failure presidential campaign to be bothered with doing what is right for this state and the country. He has missed 50% of the votes in the senate this year. And Kyl? I really really liked Kyl, but his support of the immigration bill was the equivalent of catching your wife in bed with a man that you absolutely dispise. That type of betrayal cuts deep – I will never be able to support Kyl again.
The legislation we have, and the legislation that was just signed, is a good start – but to really put the nail in the coffin for all of the illegals in this state is to elect a conservative governor who will uphold the laws – J.D. Hayworth, are you listening?
Timothy S. Carlson on July 3, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Now the local law enforcement should start driving up to construction sites to see who runs lol.
Mofugger on July 3, 2007 at 12:46 PM
On the South Carolina front
But they can’t vote in both. I don’t think many Dems will vote in the GOP primary when they have a presidential candidate to vote for. They don’t like Lindsey that much.
KelliD on July 3, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Napolitano is feeling the heat! The only reason she signed this bill is because of what happened to the Amnesty bill in Washington. She waited for the outcome before she acted, this bill was on her desk for over a week. We Arizonan’s flooded her office to sign this bill. Our State’s legislature, Republican majority, brought forth & overwhelmingly passed this bill (bi-partisan). It was a few years ago that she pushed for dirver’s licenses for illegals. Napolitano was just down in Tucson a couple of weeks ago with some Mexican officials – pandering as usual. She is no leader!
Kat13 on July 3, 2007 at 12:52 PM
If the AZ Gov. is planning a scheme to:
A) Give the voters what they want; a crack-down on illegals with this law as a means to “prove” that the illegals simply cannot be lived without &
B) Destroy the conservative ideas of border enforcement with a grand “got-cha” “I gave you your law and it nearly bankrupted the state!”
IF this is true, the lady gets a gold star for shrewd politics. Also, I hope Americans stand up to fill the void and it blows up in her face.
I’m not going down the conspiracy road just yet, but I will be watching this with bated breath.
Swinehound on July 3, 2007 at 12:52 PM
“She’s doing the job Congress won’t do.”
Whoa there, you guys have it all wrong. She didn’t do this because she’s tough on illegal immigration or because she want to do the job that the Congress won’t do. She signed it (probably after feeling heat from the fallout from the senate bill fiasco) “under protest” because she didn’t like some of the verbiage, and is considering calling a special session of the legislature to address those concerns. This will no doubt be an attempt to either soften or gut it.
Napolireno has an abysmal record where illegals are concerned. We have passed multiple statewide voter initiatives that she, and her lacky AG Terry “the Tool” Goddard have either chosen not to enforce or have attempted to gut, or she has just flat refused to sign into law. Let’s not forget she declared a state of emergency which gave her the authority to to put the Natl Guard on the border, but it took her 15 months to do it and she won’t allow them to arm their weapons. That’s right, they can carry but they cannot lock and load. Her only arguement is that this is a federal issue and the feds need to handle it. While she is correct on where the responsibility, that does not excuse her abdication of authority and not enforce the state’s constitution and laws.
Do not give this governor any credit as this is just a smoke screen. Sure, she signed the bill but she did it for her own agenda and not the good of the state of Arizona. She is a do nothing liberal whose ambition is to be Hillary’s AG if that cow gets elected. May God have mercy on us if that ever happens.
Brass Pair on July 3, 2007 at 12:54 PM
I don’t agree. A good restaurant owner does not have to hire illegals. If they are cutting costs on labor, they are cutting costs on the food you are eating. If I knew they had illegals working there I would not eat there.
Hening on July 3, 2007 at 12:56 PM
3.7 million for GRAHAM-ass-CRACKER. Is it grass root money or from a few hundred ELITIST.?.seeing this guy myself for the 1st time was almost too much to bear. I can’t see him being re-elected after selling out the U S of A..
Legions on July 3, 2007 at 12:56 PM
Wasn’t this provision in the 1986 amnesty bill?
If not, why not?
profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 1:00 PM
If you listen carefully, you can hear the approaching slivering sound of the ACLU lawyers.
Zaire67 on July 3, 2007 at 1:06 PM
As a resident of Nevada: Here come the illegals from Arizona. They’re like illegal illegals.
Mojave Mark on July 3, 2007 at 1:08 PM
war chest of $3.7 million through
Money does not mean what it use too in this day and age. Money is no longer all it takes to make it in the primaries, it is conviction and voter motivation.
unseen on July 3, 2007 at 1:09 PM
You are correct Sir! No way Crappy Nappy & the horde enforce this law. Prop 200 is still not being enforced, just like you mentioned.
VikingGoneWild on July 3, 2007 at 1:09 PM
Yeh, I’m with the “it won’t be enforced” crowd, after hearing many stories from family in AZ. What was the deal with welfare offices just not enforcing what they were told to do?
MamaAJ on July 3, 2007 at 1:09 PM
profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 1:00 PM
2 words….. Teddy Kennedy
(aka Chappaquidic (sp?) Fats)
mrfixit on July 3, 2007 at 1:10 PM
Me thinks she has signed this law knowing that an illegal immigration activist will challenge it in court, she is probably attempting to force a judicial ruling calling immigration enforcement unconstitutional.
doriangrey on July 3, 2007 at 1:12 PM
Oh, yeh.
MamaAJ on July 3, 2007 at 1:14 PM
Napolitano was not the architect of this bill. Pierce (R) was the driving factor. Naplitano plans to hold a session with Arizona legislators and define how she wants this law enforced. Don’t hold your breath on any strength there. She is by all accounts, illegal friendly. This was forced upon her and vetoing, her specialty, would not play well after last week.
An Arizona resident.
usarmyretired on July 3, 2007 at 1:17 PM
BTW, Here in AZ our Gov. is more interested in enforcing the smoking ban in bars (also a recent prop) than enforcing Prop 200 (no bail to illegals) and I bet this new “law.”
This new “law” will be about as effective as the current border fence.
VikingGoneWild on July 3, 2007 at 1:17 PM
Not so fast….
How is any employer supposed to know who is legally allowed to work? Are there tamper-proof documents now in use? Won’t citizens also have to carry them then to prove eligibility to work?
Maybe the government should have a database of those legally allowed to work that employers can access. Shouldn’t the gov’t be responsible for who’s in the country legally and who isn’t?
Make employers responsible, sure, but give them some legitimate tools man!
JiangxiDad on July 3, 2007 at 1:19 PM
As an AZ resident I’m certainly not getting my hopes up.
As stated above, Proposition 100 passed with 78% of the voters voting no bail for illegal aliens. The judges in this state just decided that they didn’t like that law and that the voters were wrong so they continued to allow bail without a word from the governor. Recently, after an illegal immigrant on bail fatally stabbed someone, they actually had to introduce another bill to force them to enforce the law.
Napolitano also vetoed a bill a last year to send National Guard troops to the border…..she would only do it if the federal government would pay for it so it didn’t happen unti Bush did it.
The loophole in this law already is that a business has to “knowingly” hire an illegal immigrant before any of these penalties are dished out.
How is the state going to prove intent?
Don’t care what she does on the surface, deep down she is a pro-illegal immigrant, super liberal governor.
AZ_Mike on July 3, 2007 at 1:21 PM
“He has amassed a war chest of $3.7 million through the first quarter of this year…”
Could the “ask for the donation back” tactic apply here?
rhuppertz on July 3, 2007 at 1:21 PM
hmmm…
sooo….
Just how does an employer make sure that the person is here legally? Is there a state agency they can ask?
Problem here is systemic… this makes good press, but will have little impact without a national verification system of some type in place.
Romeo13 on July 3, 2007 at 1:25 PM
hmmm…
sooo….
Just how does an employer make sure that the person is here legally? Is there a state agency they can ask?
Problem here is systemic… this makes good press, but will have little impact without a national verification system of some type in place.
Romeo13 on July 3, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Another bill that won’t be enforced.
moonsbreath on July 3, 2007 at 1:36 PM
The law, however, may never take effect: Both the state Chamber of Commerce and Industry and a group of Democratic legislators who opposed the measure said Monday they intend to ask a federal judge to block its enforcement.
The people of Arizona VOTED for it. The Governor signed it, and now some silly federal judge on someones payroll will throw it out….Why do we vote….
Skok on July 3, 2007 at 1:40 PM
Timothy, I really like JD but why did the voters not re-elect him last year. I thouht that the Arizona Republic played a big role. Made him out as short tempered etc.
There is a data base that is supposed to be used in place. A federal program called Basic Pilot can tell employers whether a worker’s name matches a Social Security number. The opponents (todays Arizona Rep) mantains that the system is flawed because there is a 4% failure rate. They tend to forget that the system works 96%. There also is a letter in the newspaper from a reader questioning why a success rate is flawed. One of his questions is: If, using a combination of technology and manpower, we were able to stop 96 out of 100 people from crossing our borders illegaly, should we use it ?
SIJ6141 on July 3, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Illegals go home & business that hire them get close down .
could it be any more clear ?????
Mojack420 on July 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM
Monthly or quarterly, employers have to send employee’s tax and social security withholdings to the state and federal governments. Each employee’s name and social security number, along with wages and withholdings are reported. The government then sends a statement (yearly I think) telling the employer that one or more of the names submitted doesn’t match the social submitted with it. It could be a clerical error, or indication that the employee is using a fake number. At that point, two or three things could happen.
1. If the employer doesn’t know the employee is illegal, he can ask the employee to correct the social. Perhaps another year will pass in that case.
2. If the employer knows, he will ignore it. Nothing happens.
3. The feds can send INS to investigate. They DO KNOW where the people work who are submitting mismatched names and numbers. But the gov’t WON’T enforce it cause they don’t want to.
4. The employer can fire the employee and risk a suit.
5. The employer can contact INS and be a policeman.
JiangxiDad on July 3, 2007 at 1:46 PM
I live in AZ, and local talk radio is all over this thing. As somebody already mentioned here, the bill was on her desk for awhile and she waited to see how the shamnesty bill panned out before signing it. She is NOT proactive.
Sir Loin on July 3, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I’m moving to Arizona (Chandler) from New Jersey in a week and a half. I’m aware of Napolitano’s words and deeds on this and other issues. Color me skeptical.
First, she only makes this move after seeing which way the wind blows- bill pass or fail. Pure political CYA. Which, I agree with others above, shows she really has no intention of making this bill work. I believe she’ll use a combo of gut, hamstring , and none enforcement to cut the bills effectiveness drastically, then anounce, “see, you bigots, I told you it wouldn’t work- we need these people!”
As to the business owners who could be affected-tough. Anyone who can’t make it without breaking the law and screwing local citizens isn’t much of a businessman, and has no business being in business. I’m sure there are plenty of other people who can make it the right way.
A big shoutout to those of you here living in Arizona. I’m really looking forward to the move.
tomk59 on July 3, 2007 at 1:58 PM
A good first step, but the proof will be in the enforcement of it.
Squeeze them out thru attrition of jobs and drive them back out of the country, or where they’ll congregate in holdout states where they can be easily rounded up and deported. Of course, the latter is just wishful thinking. But enforcement of the damn laws in the first place is essential.
stacman on July 3, 2007 at 2:01 PM
Or the business will be forced to pay a wage Americans will work for…
stacman on July 3, 2007 at 2:03 PM
Interesting ot see where this goes. On the AZ law side of things, it won’t start until Jan 2008 and she is pressuring the legislature to actually fund the AG office, they gave it a pittance to get it operating. One proviso, it doesn’t include self-employed who hire or business with less that 40 employees so for the most part the restaurants will stay.
I’m also wondering if the rule verifies all employees or just new employees as of the start date; it seems like it is only new hires. OTOH, there are requirments that the AG investigate any complaint made that a business intentionally hires or knowingly employs an illegal alien.
Seems like it may not be fully effective, but its certain to cause migration to other states. Can the bordering states handle the influx without doing the same? Will influxes of illegal deflate local illegal’s going wages? Will local illegals protest new waves of illegals in the border states? Inquiring minds want to know.
Dusty on July 3, 2007 at 2:08 PM
Sorry Mojave, being an Arizona resident and having felt the pain of illegal immigrants in more ways than one I suggest Nevada adopts similar laws quickly or start building a wall!
However, I would imagine with all of the service industries Nevada has like hotels, restaurants, etc Nevada already has a large illegal population doing the jobs “American’s won’t do!”
All I know is we regularly have hospital emergency rooms going bankrupt and closing here in Arizona because the illegals are using them for their regular doctor visits, that and my insurance rates doubled when I moved from Northern Cal to Arizona due to the MANY uninsured motorists!
A couple of years ago I went to have dinner at the local Indian Casino with my neighbors only to have security paging me to meet them in the parking lot. When I got there my Harley was laying on its side, someone had backed into it with their car doing almost a $1,000 in damage.
Of course the responsible person was not insured, the car they were driving was a real beater (unsafe at any speed) and the registration was expired. Security asked me if I wanted the local police to do a report, which I of course insisted be done.
The officer that took the report wouldn’t let them drive their car home because of the expired registration, but the officer never asked about their immigration status! Again, this was a couple of years ago, perhaps if it happened now they would have inquired about their immigration status.
The driver had a valid drivers license but it turns out all of the information on the license as well as the contact information provided by the individual to me and the police was false!
I have no illusions about ever recovering the money I lost, but I did contact the police department to inform them that the person involved provided false information in the report in the hope the police would go after this guy but it was never pursued!
I have no doubt the individual was an illegal immigrant, further more what really makes me fume is that these people had the money to go gambling at the casino but didn’t have the money to be properly insured (something that is required by Arizona law) their vehicle was not properly registered (again required by Arizona law) let alone do some maintenance and repairs on their vehicle so it’s safe to operate!
The left is constantly talking about how good illegal immigration is to our economy; well I sure as hell haven’t seen any benefit! The only thing I have experienced with illegal immigration is it costs me money in higher insurance rates, property damage, and God forbid if I ever need to go to an emergency room!
The only ones benefiting from illegal immigration are the illegals and the businesses that employ them! Hopefully this person has been picked up and deported by now! ICE would have a field day raiding the casinos here in Arizona; it’s a target rich environment for sure!
Build the wall and deport them all!
Liberty or Death on July 3, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Considering Napolitano’s track record (Remember that 9/11 memorial?) there has to be a gotcha. Taking good care of American citizens is not high on her list of priorities.
bdfaith on July 3, 2007 at 2:12 PM
All good points, but remember, we are not after or at least won’t get the Dems votes. But the middle of the roaders, the undecided…the ones who do not demand recalls or actions…they just vote, are the ones we are after. And they overwhelmingly want border control. We want to woo the undecided, the ones that could lose their jobs, the ones concerned about their childs education, safety, health care. Keep them in the loop on the Dems desire to open the borders and we can win this…if the Republicans can get on board and decide this is an issue, and not cave in (as almost happened).
right2bright on July 3, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Why is this story pulled from the bbc?
Tru2my2 on July 3, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Welcome to the Wild West tomk59, home of the Grand Canyon, Tombstone, and the ability to carry a gun in the open in most places and concealed with a permit!
Oh, and lots of illegal immigrants and crazy drivers! Sorry, we’re almost a perfect State! You also picked a great time to move here, we’re supposed to hit 117 tomorrow, nothing like getting acclimated to your new environment in a drastic way, but don’t worry, IT’S A DRY HEAT!!
P.S. I work in Chandler and live in Maricopa (15 miles south of Chandler) give me a shout when you get here, it’s always nice to know someone when moving to a new state! I can be reached through my website by clicking on my HA user name.
Good luck on your move!
Liberty or Death on July 3, 2007 at 2:29 PM
Wait, this isn’t already a law?
- The Cat
MirCat on July 3, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Liberty or Death; thank you very much for the kind words and warm wishes. I’ll definitly be looking you up when we get settled out there. I take care of mom; the idea of moving to AZ was a health issue originally, but we both fell in love with it . She was in AZ last week finalizing things. Said the heat wasn’t that bad because of the lack of humidity. Here, 85 is miserable when the humidity gets to 100%.
I’m also looking forward to being involved somehow in the community and such. Here in central NJ, it’s like nobody cares anymore. The whole state’s going to hell in a handbasket, and yes, we have a lot of problems with illegals here, too.
Be talking to you soon, meantime I’ll see you around the site.
tomk59 on July 3, 2007 at 2:44 PM
I can’t understand how this hasn’t been in place before. And how tha f4ck can illegals get drivers’ licenses if they’re illegal? *bangs head against the wall*
AlexB on July 3, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Go team!
saiga on July 3, 2007 at 4:05 PM
Latin leaders have called for a massive rally in DC on July 17. It is part of their effort to “bring the US economy and government to a halt”
sonnyspats1 on July 3, 2007 at 4:13 PM
..Liberty or Death..2:11 PM..I agree with your posting..I can one-up-it. The same type that hit your veh. costing you $1000. and of course your ins. went up. They drove me and my family out of our home. A home I was restoring for 15 years. Loud music day and night, garbage all over our lot,kids throwing their balls into our fenced yarded just to ring door bells, cars and people day and night, babies running around naked peeing off the porch on and on. Police finally told me I would be better off moving. This was in a once peaceful neighborhood. Cosing me and my family what little we had to use for moving and buying another home in suburbs. Now out here in the suburbs I am seeing a whole lot of younger amer.’s losing their homes out here. And sure enough who’s here to pick up the piece’s once again our poor little ill-immigrates with a mattress full of drug cartel money and driving a junk car to show—we are just poor little Mex.. they are leaving the big cities now because their new prey is out here. You see the only white’s left in the big cities are those of the well connected and those are the only people on earth these people respect. That’s the mex. way. They feel to put an Amer. good kid on drugs is a lifetime job opening for one of their ANCHOR BABIES…and the amer. women are in danger the most..Seeing how they HATE amers beware. Hope you seen the piece the other day on TV, on how Mex. not Iraq has more journalist and reporter’s killed every year now..Well, hope someone can benefit from my mistake. I am going to take it to the limits(warning amers.) for what they did to me..And I heard a MexAmer. who I have no problem with saying on the Laura Ingraham show that illegals are not religous. She said “they think of Jesus as like a Genie in a bottle or something that is going to give them some kind of prize” now I really believe this lady knew the community a whole lot better, and I for one can see that, and I agree that when your poor(until that is you make the deal with the drug cartel)you do have your hand out always looking for something for free..And that’s how the way they treat it according to a Mex.Amer. who should now.. And if that immig. bill would have passed another 20 million junks would have gotten onto our highways during rush hour. They avoid it now because to break down is to have a police car arrive. Break down in the hood is no problem for them. So that productivly factor the Elities thought they would get would be voided out by all of us sitting in a major traffic jam waiting for all the tow-truck’s to arrive..
Legions on July 3, 2007 at 4:16 PM
Arellano announces “campaign of resistance”
Hours after the Senate voted against advancing the immigration reform project, the Mexican activist Elvira Arellano announced a campaign of resistance against the U.S. government.
In a written statement, the leader of the movement Familia Unida (United Family) said that “if the Democrats and the Republicans cannot summon the courage to fix the broken law we will not sit quietly and see our families and our children cut to pieces on the broken pieces of that broken law.”
She demanded an immediate moratorium on all raids and deportations.
Arellano, who has remained in a Northwest Side church since August 15 to avoid an order of deportation, said this would be the deadline the government will have to “revive and pass a comprehensive immigration reform.”
Otherwise, pro-immigrant organizers will begin a campaign “aimed at bringing this government and this economy to a halt.”
Representatives from the Centro Sin Fronteras and the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights also announced this morning they were prepared to take “economic actions” against corporations that support anti immigrant legislators and programming.
Also, a massive concentration of families and children is scheduled for July 17 in Washington D.C. to “confront the leaders of both parties and the President.”
sonnyspats1 on July 3, 2007 at 4:17 PM
What I think I’d like to see happen is:
1) Seal the border
2) Implement a guest worker program
3) Crack down on businesses that still hire illegals, (instead of guest workers)
4) Phase out the guest worker program over a number of years
The guest workers should be limited in the types of jobs they can do, mainly to agriculture, although some in construction. None should be allowed in the food preparation industry until they undergo health screening.
FloatingRock on July 3, 2007 at 4:20 PM
You may be right but it could also backfire. Those illegals, if they’re forced out of the Arizona market, will most likely go to other states where there aren’t so many illegals right now. The citizens of those states will then gain a new understanding of what this debate is all about as they begin to feel like outsiders in their own neck of the woods.
FloatingRock on July 3, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Employers need an online database which they can match employeee data with the social security #.
No match No hire! Lo siento amigo.
It’s a no-brainer. Now that is solved let’s build a nice fence.
TheSitRep on July 3, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Tomk59: Welcome, man! Chandler’s a great place to move to, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
Sir Loin on July 3, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Kat13,
Right on the money bro (or broette). This woman is a joke. The folks who live here understand that. This will be enforced when bats fly out of her a**…
JWS on July 3, 2007 at 4:59 PM
Kat13-
I’d like to see a photoshopping of that image!
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(That’s the best I can do with the tools at hand.)
profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 5:11 PM
JWS-
Sorry, credit should be yours for the bat butt.
Mea culpa der fledermaus.
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profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 5:16 PM
I’d have a stroke if this happened in my state. Romney tried something regarding illegals and driver’s liscences. As soon as the new governor came in first thing he took out.
PowWow on July 3, 2007 at 6:24 PM
profitsbeard,
Lol. Thanks, but I think all of us AZans share the doubt…
JWS on July 3, 2007 at 7:02 PM
I read an article where an employer of illegals is so steamed at this bill that he is considering moving his business out of the state. Where will he go? Probably to a “sanctuary” city. This guy and others like him may turn into a type of “Pied Piper of Hamlin” and lead all of the ILLEGAL immigrant rats out of Arizona and into these sanctuaries en mass. Then the legal immigrants and US citizens will move out to escape paying taxes to support these leeches. I’m SOOOO gald I don’t live in a sanctuary city. They’re going to turn into third world toilets very quickly.
Paul the American on July 3, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Mojave Mark on July 3, 2007 at 1:08 PM
As a resident of Nevada: Here come the illegals from Arizona. They’re like illegal illegals.
illegal illegals…that’s the best one I hear in awhile.
Legions on July 3, 2007 at 9:08 PM
Gov. Nappy deserves no credit. This law will not be enforced. She wouldn’t sign it if is was. She a sneeky@ss amnesty Dem.
AZCON on July 3, 2007 at 9:09 PM
When they hold the special session the phones and computers should run hot and the streets should be full of Arizonans who want the bill enforced.
davod on July 3, 2007 at 9:50 PM
If only it really worked. I know of a case in CO where a citizen had his SS# stolen without knowing it. The way he found out? He got a letter from the IRS stating he had to pay more taxes. They had some problems with numbers he filed. To make a long story short he was able to track down the illegal alien that was using his ss number and civily sue him. Yes he still had to pay income taxes on the money he did not make. The judge that was over the case is a friend of mine. He found for the guy and made the illegal pay some right there. He got about 500 and was owed around another 1000. He never got it. the illegal high tailed it and was never heard from again. So you see who’s side the IRS is on. Their own. They want their money and they don’t care who really owes it.
boomer on July 3, 2007 at 10:14 PM
No you shouldn’t. In fact, if you research a little news on this, I believe she previously vetoed some fairly strict legislation that would have also gone a long way towards addressing the problem….possibly right before the ‘06 election if my memory serves.
In this instance, and even in the article about it, there is mentioned a more harsh measure that the citizens of AZ are trying to get on the ballot. This is an attempt to head that off. The thinking is that this legislation might possibly lessen the need for the citizens petition to get the other measure on the ballot, which they admit is likely to pass overwhelmingly.
91Veteran on July 3, 2007 at 11:03 PM
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