Video: Steyn and Ijaz on the UK plot and the margin between terrorist clowns and killers

posted at 4:37 pm on July 2, 2007 by Bryan

Much wisdom to be found in this clip. Mark Steyn and Mansour Ijaz join Neil Cavuto to discuss terrorism and its possible imminence here in the US. In the early part of the segment, which I didn’t catch, Steyn seemed to agree that the attacks in London and Glasgow were motivated in part as a welcome to UK PM Gordon Brown. Steyn’s argument that the margin between clown terrorists and lethal terrorists is slim is particularly noteworthy, as is Ijaz’s sobering conclusion at the end.

This Debka link seems particularly relevant right now. Granted, it’s Debka. But granted, we’ve just seen another terror attempt/attack against an ally.

DEBKAfile counter-terror sources report that ten days ago, the US gave the Czech government specific warning of large-scale al Qaeda terrorist attacks in Prague, targeting government buildings, the US embassy, American firms and Jewish and Israel locations in the Czech capital. All American missions and military facilities in Europe were placed on alert.

France, Germany, Italy, Denmark and Spain have also tightened their anti-terror precautions.

Our sources add that the London and Glasgow bombing attempts took the Americans by surprise. They had expected the jihadists to strike elsewhere in Europe.

US homeland security secretary Michael Chertoff Monday played down the threat by denying knowledge of any specific warning in the United States. He said the current alert level of yellow would not be raised for now as it has been in the UK.

However, al Qaeda’s coded messages on internal forums announcing that preparations are now in place for attacks in the US during this summer are appearing with greater frequency than the traffic prior to the 2001 attacks in America and the 2004 Madrid rail bombings.


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I hope you put a thread or mention the successful yuppie car bomb killing 9 and wounding others in Yemen.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 4:43 PM

I’m beginning to think that, for Chertoff … a “specific warning” would have to be submitted to Homeland Security, in triplicate, with exact GPS location. In this regard, both the Clinton and Bush administrations denied any “specific” knowledge of an attack … and the Towers fell.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 2, 2007 at 4:43 PM

also …U.S. General Says Iran’s Quds Force Helped Carry Out Attack in Iraq That Killed 5 Americans

Iran’s elite Quds force helped militants carry out a January attack in Karbala that killed five Americans, a U.S. general said Monday. U.S. military spokesman Brig. Gen. Kevin J. Bergner also accused Tehran of using the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah as a “proxy” to arm Shiite militants in Iraq.

The claims were an escalation in U.S. accusations that Iran is fueling Iraq’s violence, which Tehran has denied, and were the first time the U.S. military has said Hezbollah has a direct role.

A senior Lebanese Hezbollah operative, Ali Mussa Dakdouk, was captured March 20 in southern Iraq, Bergner said. Dakdouk served for 24 years in Hezbollah and was “working in Iraq as a surrogate for the Iranian Quds Force,” Bergner said.

The general also said that Dakdouk was a liaison between the Iranians and a breakaway Shiite group led by Qais al-Kazaali, a former spokesman for cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Bergner said al-Kazaali’s group carried out the January attack against a provincial government building in Karbala and that the Iranians assisted in preparations. Al-Khazaali and his brother Ali al-Khazaali were captured with Dakdouk.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 4:47 PM

In this regard, both the Clinton and Bush administrations denied any “specific” knowledge of an attack … and the Towers fell.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 2, 2007 at 4:43 PM

But that was just a one-off – as there is NO terror threat.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 4:48 PM

Mansour Ijaz seems to be one of the sharper ME analysts out there. Larry “Nothing to see here, folks” Johnson couldn’t carry his jockstrap.

PatrickS on July 2, 2007 at 4:51 PM

and…F Y I

An eighth suspect connected to a plot to blow up car bombs in London and Scotland has been arrested, the British police said on Monday but would not say where the man was detained.

“A man was arrested at an undisclosed location in connection with the investigation into the incidents in London and Glasgow,” the police said in a statement. “He remains in custody.”

The BBC reported that the man was arrested overseas, but did not say in which country.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 4:51 PM

BEEB

Police investigating the failed car bombings at Glasgow Airport and London have arrested a man abroad, bringing the number of people detained to eight.

Police have not specified in which country the arrest took place.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 4:54 PM

DEPORT ALL TERRORISM SUPPORTERS
WHATEVER THEIR ‘RELIGION’

(Might even catch a crazed Aztec or two among the hundred of thousands of ROP’ers given their repatriation papers.)

profitsbeard on July 2, 2007 at 5:01 PM

Mark Steyn always makes a good case, but I wish Cavuto would let the man finish a sentence.

Mark’s book “America Alone” is a must read, and so is “War Crimes” by Buzz Patterson.

Thanks for the update Topsecretk9.

Tony737 on July 2, 2007 at 5:03 PM

as there is NO terror threat.

Isn’t the GWOT just a bumper sticker created to enrich Cheney-BushMcHitlerBurton, anyway?

Besides, they’re ALL mommies and daddies, too, and fire never melted steel, and, and….

jdawg on July 2, 2007 at 5:03 PM

IMHO, I think with every foiled attack or attack that occurs on a small scale many people in the western world think that the problem of Islamist terrorism is insignificant. In a way, the small attacks just make us more complacent.

Bill C on July 2, 2007 at 5:08 PM

The pace is quickening. Right now Bush has only two major achievements to his name: no major attack on US soil since 9/11 and no major ally overthrown by Islamists. I am starting to doubt that Bush can leave office with both of those still intact. There are simply too many moving pieces, too many bad guys and too many targets. While we’re watching Gaza, they try to hit London. While we’re watching London, Glasgow. What’s next? Pakistan; Egypt; Lebanon; Berlin?

Usually I discount Debka as alarmist but I fear they may be right this time. It’ll be a long summer.

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Bill C on July 2, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Not sure about that. Aside from the SJS killers in NC, Utah and SF we haven’t had any small scale car bombs or terrorists attacks in the USA. IF we do, I think the demand from the population to bomb Iran into the stone age (which they seem to like anyway) would make the immigration debate seem like two mutes talking.

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:12 PM

Your welcome Tony737.

Multiple confirmed of the eigth — last

Police said the eighth person, a man, was arrested “at an undisclosed location.” The BBC said he was arrested overseas.

I’m probably over parsing but in England – is the middle east or even somewhere in Europe considered “overseas”?

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 5:13 PM

Officials say several countries including Pakistan have been asked to check possible links with suspects.

Jordanian officials say they have been contacted by British authorities about 1 of 2 suspects identified as doctors. They identified the man as a Palestinian native who carries a Jordanian passport.

OK – I’m laying off. Not my place – it just interests me.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Officials say several countries including Pakistan have been asked to check possible links with suspects.

Jordanian officials say they have been contacted by British authorities about 1 of 2 suspects identified as doctors. They identified the man as a Palestinian native who carries a Jordanian passport.

OK – I’m laying off. Not my place – it just interests me.

Topsecretk9 on July 2, 2007 at 5:16 PM

I like Ijaz too – but wasn’t he wrong on MOST things he talked about a couple years ago, in the build up to Iraq.

He used to be on Fox ALL the time – but his predictions were non-starters, at best.

Dr. Gecko on July 2, 2007 at 5:16 PM

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:12 PM

There was the attack at the el Al counter at the LA airport. Do you remember the kid who flew his plane into a tower, I think that was Islam related. Plus the various cells that have been broken up. All of that breeds complaisancy. Our gov’t success allows meathead Kerry and fluffer Edwards to downplay terrorism.

I think you are right about car bombs waking the US up but I am afraid there will be a strong call from the left to withdraw from the world. “We created terrorism and brought it home.” I can hear it now. What I really fear is isolationism in the face of the long war.

Bill C on July 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Yes as time goes by it appears that (the no major attack on USA since 9/11) thing has been more a matter of luck than Bush’s WH ability to protect America.

Now it appears that that luck is about to run out also. I think like Katrina a major attack will show the American people just how incompetent this administration has been in regards to this.

I hope I am wrong but from the inability to secure the border I really think that Bush and Congress think the terrorist threat is not that big. If they really believed it was big, they would have secured the border and started to enforce the visa overstays.

We know the threat is big but I think the government looks at 9/11 as a 100 year storm not believing it could happen again in their lifetimes. How else do you explain their stance on the border and immigration

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Strange part of this last plot? They were educated men. 3 of the people involved are doctors…. which means they had to have taken chemistry.

We hear of at LEAST one major car bomb a day going off in Iraq… where is all the “expertise”?

Just using the internet, and open sources, you can find how to make explosive devices which will NOT fail…

Shoot… I know for a FACT that I could create a workable carbomb out of materials I have in my house right now… (of course, I do have a military background in some rather esoteric arenas)…

Question, am I paranoid? or is there a deeper game going on? One which will lull us to sleep then hit us with a MAJOR hit?

Remember… Bin L’s writings are full of pshyc warfare elements…

Romeo13 on July 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Bill C on July 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM

Yeah forgot to mention those. But the point I was trying to make; all of those could be viewed at least by the MSM and the government as one-off events totally unrelated to the WOT.

A series of car bombs(or for that matter) any series of attacks would not be able to be brushed off as such.

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:26 PM

unseen – Yes, we’ve been relying on luck and the incompetence of terrorist for far too long. Both our good luck and their bad will run out sooner or later. It’s like drug running. The cartels know that we’ll catch X% of their shippments so they just increase the smuggling and write-off the losses as the cost of doing business. The terror masters know that only 1 of every X attacks will succeed as planned so they jump up the numbers. It all math from there. And the math is not in our favor.

Our security services have to get it right every time to prevent loss of life. The terrorists only have to get it right once in a while because each attack has the potential to kill hundreds of people.

Imagine if these attacks had succeeded. The UK would be a very different place today.

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM

DEPORT ALL TERRORISM SUPPORTERS
WHATEVER THEIR ‘RELIGION’

(Might even catch a crazed Aztec or two among the hundred of thousands of ROP’ers given their repatriation papers.)

profitsbeard on July 2, 2007 at 5:01 PM

I am sorry, we cannot do that.

You just don’t understand. There is no illegal immigrants, we are all citizens of the world. Therefore there is no terrorism, civil war, but not terrorism. The 9/11 was not an attack, but an act of civil disobedience. You cannot deport citizens. Sheeeesh.
No wonder the left gets frustrated with us, we just don’t understand.

right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 5:39 PM

Shoot… I know for a FACT that I could create a workable carbomb out of materials

Romeo13 on July 2, 2007 at 5:23 PM

That is what the MSM is missing here. This was not a common car bomb. This was a highly complex bomb that needed several things to happen correctly to have it go up in a very big and messy explosion. The mixture of O2 and propone had to be right, the amount of gas had to be right to feed the blast and the detonator had to be right to start the blast. This is why the blasts did not work. If the terrorist wanted a simple car bomb they would have done it by now.

This type of bomb if done correctly will level buildings. Also do we know what was in the canisters? With the recent chemical chlorine attacks in Iraq are we sure this was not a chemical bomb?

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:40 PM

Personally I’m glad they got hit in Scotland. At this point I’m glad if they get hit anywhere in Europe – or at least I try to see the good in it.

Those self-absorbed, dumb-ass liberals who run Europe will not see the problem unless and until their house is literally burning down around them. They didn’t with Hitler, and they don’t with this crowd either. The more the muslims rub their noses into the fact that they’ve become a bunch of lazy, weak-kneed sychophants the closer they come to waking the fuck up.

thareb on July 2, 2007 at 5:42 PM

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM

Yes, that is the problem. However, if we had secure borders and a great immigration office that knew who was whom in this country; we would not have to worry over our freedoms being taken away if an attack occurs. At least not as much.

As it is. I am very worried that if an attack happens the only way to stop more would be to take many freedoms away from American citizens because of our government’s inability to enforce the laws.

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:45 PM

Romeo13 – I think you seen a little too much 24. I believe wholeheartedly that these attacks were meant to succeed. The bombs were built to explode. These plots were designed to kill hundreds. It was only good luck that prevented the detonations. Even the best explosives experts build duds now and then.

That said, this could be, as DEBKA and the Blotter speculate, the beginning of a wave of attacks, some of which may succeed and some of which may not. Germany is on very high alert and has been warning of an attack for some time. We have warnings about the Czecks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see something happen in France. The Islamists hate Sarko.

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:46 PM

AP—but….but…how will this impact the critical national supply of lettuce?

Steve LLamabutcher on July 2, 2007 at 5:50 PM

Steve LLamabutcher on July 2, 2007 at 5:50 PM

LOL

unseen on July 2, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Iraqi Bilal Abdulla will be taken to Paddington Green police station where another doctor is also being quizzed

Heh I guarantee it ain’t multiple choice.

Guardian on July 2, 2007 at 6:32 PM

We should have an equilalent to the “Amber Alert” for Muslim terrorist. You could call it the “Ahkmed Alert” or something like that. The Ahkmed Alert goes off whenever ANY U.S. or Western target is hit by a Muslim terrorist. Immediately the alert goes out to every government office, post office, fire station, police department, airport, utility company, military bases. Each office stands down and goes to “battle stations” and is on the alert for any Arab/Muslim men or women between 15 and 40. This might disrupt a potential attack. To do things absolutely simultaneously is very difficult so we might be able to limit the damage to only one of the targets.

Mojave Mark on July 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 5:46 PM

Actualy, I have not watched 24 since the first season… they were all amatuers… was too hard to watch and not laugh.

These people are NOT stupid. Do NOT underestimate them, or overestimate our own government… especialy the “Inteligence” sevices (I used to play with them periodicly).

Yep… those WMDs… and all those 1000 Badger bombers in the 60′s (there were 3…). Yep… no insurrgency in Iraq…. and Saddam would NEVER invade Kuwait… Crap, they can’t even stop the Afgan poppy feilds (largest crop this year maybe ever)….

Right now, they are winning in Lebanon, Palestinian Ter., stalemate in Iraq, have control of Iran, winning in Pakistan, Malaysia, Phillipines… parts of Africa…

That we have not been hit seriously, only by homegrown splinter elements tells me that the serious players do not want to piss off America… you know… wake the sleeping giant?

Romeo13 on July 2, 2007 at 7:45 PM

IMHO, I think with every foiled attack or attack that occurs on a small scale many people in the western world think that the problem of Islamist terrorism is insignificant. In a way, the small attacks just make us more complacent.

Bill C on July 2, 2007 at 5:08 PM

I somewhat agree that it makes some more complacent, however, IMHO what concerns me more is these “smaller” and “unsuccessful” attacks provides further fodder and “moonbat-proof” for the conspiracy idiots and liberal left that contend there is no GWOT, that all of these “incidents” are red-flag tactics designed to keep all us “sheepel” in fear and compliant to the Bushlitler/Halliburton/Darth Chaney/Illuminati “new world order.”

You know, all the typical brain-dead drivel perpetuated by Prison Planet and the moonbat conspiracy suckers that are helping the owners of these websites and book sellers get rich while at the same time brainwashing the mental midgets that buy into the conspiracy BS to ignore the fact we are at war, that there is a real and dangerous threat, and by buying into this crap they are dividing our nation at a critical time when we should be united!

Liberty or Death on July 2, 2007 at 7:51 PM

I believe luck has had more to do with our not getting hit then being smart. After 25 years on active duty and still working for the Military as a civilian I have seen our Government in action, but for some reason the Military is still able to get results despite the restrictions our civilian leadership puts on us. I have absolutely no faith in DHS, Chertoff, or the President to secure our borders and find out just who manage to slip in while the gates where wide open.

KC-135A on July 2, 2007 at 8:04 PM

DEPORT ALL TERRORISM SUPPORTERS
WHATEVER THEIR ‘RELIGION’

profitsbeard on July 2, 2007 at 5:01 PM

That would certainly clear out the Majority Caucus in the Senate and a good portion of the Majority Caucus in the House and the NY Times would be empty!

I LOVE IT!

Pilgrim on July 2, 2007 at 8:44 PM

We should all take a moment and pray and just hope and pray that these jerks don’t get lucky.I would like to have it on our side at least knowing with God on our side anything is possible.

bones47 on July 2, 2007 at 9:42 PM

Do you remember the kid who flew his plane into a tower, I think that was Islam related.

Not really. Despite a suicide note expressing support for terrorists, the kid wasn’t a Muslim and had no apparent terrorist links. The NTSB ruled it a suicide. The family blamed a medication he was on, but dropped their lawsuit just last week.

jic on July 2, 2007 at 9:59 PM

Jesus Christ, Wednesday is the day.
I’m convinced now that AQ is planning something big for July 4th.

Gut feeling.

unamused on July 2, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Nah, “Unamused”, won’t happen. Worry more about ole light bulb head (with no light in it) Chertoff. We need to have this guy go away now rather than later. He is the weakest link in our system today. Humming in the dark as he passes the graveyard.

NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on July 3, 2007 at 12:31 AM

unamused-

I’m hoping for a mass suicide demonstration in Tehran on Wednesday to show their contempt for Life (“You like Pepsi, we like death!”), and inability to export their terrorism to the West, and to help stimulate the Mahdi to rise from his well.

Mahmoud going first, as leader, naturally.

profitsbeard on July 3, 2007 at 12:32 AM

Mark Levin read this article on his show last night. I thought everyone would like to read it. I thought they hated the west because of foreign policy. I guess not.

chief on July 3, 2007 at 12:56 AM

Wednesday is the day.
I’m convinced now that AQ is planning something big for July 4th.

Gut feeling.

I’ll agree, there is a weird feeling in the air with all this stuff going down.

gmoonster on July 3, 2007 at 12:58 AM

link did not work sorry.

chief on July 3, 2007 at 1:01 AM

I remember them saying that his name was changed to Bishop from Bashara (a middle-eastern name). That said, I don’t seem to remember this going any further.

Unfortunately, the concept in Europe that it is a police matter will be hard to overcome. I think that they could even have something like Sept 11 attacks and not get worked up enough to engage their under-financed and (mostly) neglected militaries. There is not the same kind of sense of patriotism there, as it is understood here. I remember several years ago, I was in Paris at the Arc de Triomphe. At the Arc, there is an eternal flame for the unknown soldier. A group of teenage kids were there and one of them was squatting over the eternal flame. Even though it is not my country, I was so angry I wanted to beat the $h!t out of that kid. I didn’t know French at the time so I couldn’t even come up with an insult or threat.

Abu Daboo Doo on July 3, 2007 at 1:17 AM

All this terrorism mumbo-jumbo is just to divert attention from the “real” goals of the neo-cons… which is to allow Haliburton to invade Iraq. Watch, you’ll see… I read it on the internet.

BadBrad on July 3, 2007 at 8:51 AM

Wednesday is the day.
I’m convinced now that AQ is planning something big for July 4th.

Gut feeling.

I’ll agree, there is a weird feeling in the air with all this stuff going down.

gmoonster on July 3, 2007 at 12:58 AM

Actions that lead to everyone’s going on alert seem to be poor preparation for a surprise attack.

Kralizec on July 3, 2007 at 9:11 AM

I’ll record here that Mark Steyn raised the point that terrorists have a comfort zone in Great Britain, where they live among a large number of people who share their goals. I don’t think he raised the matter without meaning to imply that he prefers something be done about it.

Decent people have been handling terror and Islam for decades now, and conditions have deteriorated. Decent people may wish to think of becoming effective; otherwise, they’re merely preparing the way for others who don’t give a rat’s ass about decency. Decently leaving matters to be handled by the indecent is cruel decency.

Kralizec on July 3, 2007 at 9:26 AM