Ridicule, hysterical indignation, and outrage that you have somehow been misunderstood are the stuff of demagogues. I am not impressed.

Gregor: “You first accuse me of being a lefty, and then attempt to suggest that I’m anti-American (not that they’re not the same thing)?”

Actually, very often lefty and anti-American are the same thing. For example, in your case.

Gregor: “My point was not to slam this country.”

Actually, it quite clearly was to slam America. You are fleeing your position because it’s indefensible.

Gregor: “My point was to slam the administration’s ridiculously hypocritical argument in the face of the total refusal to secure our borders and stop companies from hiring illegal aliens.”

And now you are fleeing your original charge that America deals in human trafficking to hop to a new topic you hope you can defend. Your original point was simply to make wild slander against America.

Gregor: “The current administration consists of slave owners! They are bought and sold by the corporations who feed off human trafficking.”

Your assertion is mindless and baseless slander against America born of a treasonous and dishonest heart.

Gregor: ‘It’s hypocrisy at it’s worst.”

Your statement is anti-American rhetoric at its silliest and most venomous.

Gregor: “I accept your apology.”

What an arrogant self-righteous little turd you are. You sound like a dopey sophomore sitting in a room with a Che poster looking for an identity, trying on a pose as a radical. Scat!

Once again, please read and understand my posts. The point I was making that most of the “slave” trade you cut and pasted was illegal on illegal and that that was one of the unfortunate side effects of illegal immigration…you didn’t read that?

right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:40 PM

You also added … “

That is Illegals forcing Illegals”

I rest my case.

I repeat …

“I guess in your mind … any race but your own is not American, so shouldn’t be counted in U.S. stats as it relates to our government’s efforts to fight it? Is that it? Or are you somehow saying that there can be no slavery if both the slave and slave owner are the same race, or both illegal?”

Seek help

Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Really? I am? Funny. I don’t recall suggesting that. Can you please point out where I wrote that, or suggested it?

Here let me explain it to you. This is why I say it is important for you to read and understand what you post.

Malaysia dismissed on Monday possible U.S. sanctions over human trafficking and warned Washington of alienating Muslims after it blacklisted mostly Islamic countries.

this is at the top of the page, in which this blog is revolving…OK, Now I will type real slow so you understand.

You say:”Why is the U.S. not on that list? We have somewhere between 20-30 million Mexican slaves currently being bought and sold in this country. Day labor camps are nothing more than public slave auctions. I guess only we’re allowed to do it”
Which is tantamount to saying we allow it. Then you make to long and boring posts of cut and paste from Wikipedia to underline your contention that slavery is alive and well in America.

Now you can see how I understood your posts to believe that the U.S. is in the slave trade. You claim 20 million slaves, that could not happen without authorities in the know.

See how it comes together now.

both the slave and slave owner are the same race, or both illegal?
Bizarre.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 6:17 PM

Once again, please read and understand my posts. The point I was making that most of the “slave” trade you cut and pasted was illegal on illegal and that that was one of the unfortunate side effects of illegal immigration…you didn’t read that?

I really don’t want to discuss this anymore, you just are not real sharp on understanding what people write. But then you have never really ever made sense to me.

Have a nice evening.

BananaSlug on July 2, 2007 at 4:12 PM

Good post, you would think Gregor would run and hide after that lashing and education.
But he never does, we just get to laugh at him as he tries to waddle his way out of his “cut and paste” hole.

right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:02 PM

You are claiming that the U.S., and its police (generic police) has a similiar culture to slavery as Malayasia or some of the other slave nations.

Really? I am? Funny. I don’t recall suggesting that. Can you please point out where I wrote that, or suggested it?

it is foolish to argue with you because you take minsor incidents and blow them out of proportion.

You just did exactly what you accuse me of doing.

you point out a dozen examples, and most were race on race. That is Illegals forcing Illegals, on of the sad sidelights of illegal immigration, being taken advantage of.

right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:02 PM

I guess in your mind … any race but your own is not American, so shouldn’t be counted in U.S. stats as it relates to our government’s efforts to fight it? Is that it? Or are you somehow saying that there can be no slavery if both the slave and slave owner are the same race, or both illegal?

Bizarre.

Don’t forget what happens after the arrests are made.

Yeah, and that should answer the embarrassing suggestion made by Legions on July 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM in what must have been his first post ever on HotAir.

You wasted a lot of cut and paste. Once again I urge you to read and understand what you are posting.

Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Yes I googled the same as you. Read my post,

Show me some facts that Americans are doing this in any kind of numbers (if any) relating to the real slave nations.

Get it, now you are the one who can’t read. Naturally we have these things happen. We have men doing goats, we have pedophiles, we have all kinds of perverted people, we even have people posting incredibly long and boring google cut and pastes, as if they knew what they were pasting.

Our economy is no where based on slavery, in proportion to countrys like Malayasia, or several other African countries.

You point out a hundred, maybe you could find a thousand to fit your slave definition (although some were more fetish than slave). But we are talking about tens of thousands, we are talking about a culture. You are claiming that the U.S., and its police (generic police) has a similiar culture to slavery as Malayasia or some of the other slave nations. Well good luck on argueing that point, it is foolish to argue with you because you take minsor incidents and blow them out of proportion. Taking an immigrant and making them your houseslave does not make a nation tolerant or make them immersed in the slave trade. You may be the only person on earth that thinks the U.S. in heavily involved in slave trade.

Asians do Asians, Hispanics to Hispanics, what stats do you have supporting that Americans are involved in slave trade

Guess you missed this also, you point out a dozen examples, and most were race on race. That is Illegals forcing Illegals, on of the sad sidelights of illegal immigration, being taken advantage of.

Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM

Yes I googled the same as you. Read my post,

Show me some facts that Americans are doing this in any kind of numbers (if any) relating to the real slave nations.

Get it, now you are the one who can’t read. Naturally we have these things happen. We have men doing goats, we have pedophiles, we have all kinds of perverted people, we even have people posting incredibly long and boring google cut and pastes, as if they knew what they were pasting.

Our economy is no where based on slavery, in proportion to countrys like Malayasia, or several other African countries.

You point out a hundred, maybe you could find a thousand to fit your slave definition (although some were more fetish than slave). But we are talking about tens of thousands, we are talking about a culture. You are claiming that the U.S., and its police (generic police) has a similiar culture to slavery as Malayasia or some of the other slave nations. Well good luck on argueing that point, it is foolish to argue with you because you take minsor incidents and blow them out of proportion. Taking an immigrant and making them your houseslave does not make a nation tolerant or make them immersed in the slave trade. You may be the only person on earth that thinks the U.S. in heavily involved in slave trade.

Asians do Asians, Hispanics to Hispanics, what stats do you have supporting that Americans are involved in slave trade

Guess you missed this also, you point out a dozen examples, and most were race on race. That is Illegals forcing Illegals, on of the sad sidelights of illegal immigration, being taken advantage of.

Think about how you express yourself. Your initial post here was not even remotely like your later clarification.

I can’t see how to read your initial post except as a blanket condemnation of the US as a “slave state” and an equivocation between activities considered despicable crimes in the US and deliberate policies of other nations.

Merovign on July 2, 2007 at 5:11 PM

You mean, this?

We have somewhere between 20-30 million Mexican slaves currently being bought and sold in this country. Day labor camps are nothing more than public slave auctions.

Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 12:04 PM

You’re right. Absolutely no way anyone could possibly understand that I was referring to illegal aliens,lack of border security, and lack of enforcement. What was I thinking?

Which is how everyone else read it.

Which means you need to consider who made the error.

Merovign on July 2, 2007 at 5:11 PM

“Everyone else?”

You mean … three people?

BananaSlug on July 2, 2007 at 4:12 PM

I guess I’m supposed to offer pictures of those who ‘aren’t caught.’

If they’re arrested for slavery, then it really isn’t happening.

Have you been to a day labor camp? I would bet that every one of those arguing with me have never been to the border to see the rape zones where those “free” migrants are tortured and raped in exchange for the “freedom” to come and go as they please, and have never stood and watched what goes on at a day labor camp in the “hiring process.”

Frosty Woolridge writes:

President George Bush, a man who has never soiled his hands with a hard day’s work for a day’s pay in his life, promotes illegal alien migration by saying, “They do work that Americans won’t do.” What he really means is–corporations welcome illegal aliens so they can work for slave wages which aids his corporate friends to help buy more Lear Jets and drive Rolls Royces along with a third home in Aspen, Colorado. What’s he’s really saying is that Americans can’t earn a decent living at such wages, so it’s okay to have millions of illegal aliens living 20 to a trailer and suffering inhumane conditions in ghettoes forming across the USA. They are called ‘colonias’ or ‘new neighborhoods’. These are our new slave class.

Of course, if you doubt all of this is an effort to import slave labor, you might have missed THIS.

Quick, answer the following three questions as if directed toward the United States Government:

1. Are there private agencies or individuals working in your country engaged in hiring migrant workers for forwarding to other countries? If so, are there any laws regulating such agencies or individuals? Could you describe those laws?

2. Do you know if there is any illegal or clandestine traffic of irregular migrant workers in your country, either by individuals, corporations or national or foreign organizations that conduct such activities? If so, how did these persons or organizations work to develop the illegal or clandestine traffic of migrant workers?

3. Has your country taken measures to prevent, eliminate or punish legally (civil or criminal) any persons, organizations or companies that organize, assist, participate or work in the illegal or clandestine traffic of migrant workers? If so, could you describe what these measures or penalties consist of? Could you reveal any court or administrative proceedings carried out for this purpose?

The answers, if you’re being honest, would be …

Yes
Yes
No

Interesting, being that these are the questions aimed at most of the governments on the list that this thread relates to in order to gage their response to such things as human trafficking. The survey is conducted by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

I can’t see how to read your initial post except as a blanket condemnation of the US as a “slave state” and an equivocation between activities considered despicable crimes in the US and deliberate policies of other nations.

Which is how everyone else read it.

Which means you need to consider who made the error.

What I find funny about the long set of examples you posted is that they are all examples of law enforcement catching and punishing persons who engage in human trafficing. Not only is it illegal here, but we try very hard to stop it.

That is simply not the case in those countries on the list where it is at least ignored, and often probably sanctioned, by the state.

I would also point out that Hispanic illegal immigrants are, by and large, free to return home to Mexico, Guatemala, wherever they come from. They have, for the most part, paid to get here so they can hold a job, send home money, etc. My understanding is that they pre-pay the coyotes to get them here. The coyotes are not under contract to provide workers for a particular business. Once the illegals are over the border, they are on their own to find a place to live, get a job, etc. They are free to come and go, get and lose jobs, etc. They owe no further payments to the people that got them here. These people are not in any meaningful way indentured servants or slaves when they get here. I suspect the same cannot be said for many Chinese, Korean, etc., persons; but they are also much fewer in number.

So, I think that your argument that the US is a major practitioner of human trafficing is not really apt. I think that the clear meaning of the term ‘human trafficing’ is what we used to call slavery – persons who are removed from their homes, forcibly taken to another location, and then held against their will to perform some task. That simply does not describe the 90% or so of illegal immigrants here in the US from south of the border.

No doubt that many of the illegals here descend into lives that are unpleasant and difficult, but they did, by and large, exercise free will to come here and exercise free will to stay here. That’s just not slavery.

Gregor..you would also have to deport yourself..

Legions on July 2, 2007 at 3:11 PM

You’re just not catching on, are you? Try clicking on my name. You know? The one that’s highlighted blue, indicating that it’s linked. If you think I’m anti-American, pro-amnesty, or anti-border enforcement after that … I’m not sure you can be helped.

We are the only 20% left of the population that actually gives a dam anymore, the other 80% are who your hopfully upset with..

Legions on July 2, 2007 at 2:50 PM

It’s actually the other way around.

It’s the 20% I’d prefer to deport.

On the other hand, though, it’s not fair to equate these examples with the vast majority of illegal immigrants who can leave any time they want to. People may be paying them ‘slave wages’ but nobody’s forcing them to do the work and nobody is preventing them from going home.

And I suspect we’re not on the list because it’s a State Department list…we’re the ones who wrote it, and we’re not about to sanction ourselves. It’s not even the State Department’s purview, really.

It’s pretty obvious to everyone that you are trying to make propaganda points against America in typical lefty fashion but do you think anyone outside the lefty extremists are dumb enough to buy your argument? And really, if you have to stretch the truth so far out of shape to slander America, dontcha think the truth may not be on your side?

Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 2:34 PM

LOL! OMG! Are you serious?! Have you read ANY of my previous posts on this blog? Have you bothered to follow the link attached to my name? CLUELESS! You first accuse me of being a lefty, and then attempt to suggest that I’m anti-American (not that they’re not the same thing)?

My point was not to slam this country. My point was to slam the administration’s ridiculously hypocritical argument in the face of the total refusal to secure our borders and stop companies from hiring illegal aliens. The current administration consists of slave owners! They are bought and sold by the corporations who feed off human trafficking.

It’s hypocrisy at it’s worst.

I accept your apology.

Gregor proves beyond a reasonable doubt that crime still takes place, even in the U.S.A.!

Although not as common as in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin (South)America

Damn, and we are getting our butt kicked by Antartica and Australia in the quest to be the “nicest” continent.

Do you get that trafficking in slaves is illegal in the US while it is legal or winked at in many Muslim countries? That’s the whole point of the this thread. Your argument boils down to finding anecdotes of trafficking in the US and generalizing those to be proof of a policy of trafficking in the US. It’s a dopey argument. By contrast, the Muslim governments are in cahoots with the trafficking in their countries.

It’s pretty obvious to everyone that you are trying to make propaganda points against America in typical lefty fashion but do you think anyone outside the lefty extremists are dumb enough to buy your argument? And really, if you have to stretch the truth so far out of shape to slander America, dontcha think the truth may not be on your side?

So far, here is all you’ve added to this conversation:

Your on the wrong web-site..Have you ever even heard of Michelle Malkin..and if so why would you say this..

Legions on July 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM

how does a well educated person grow up without any common sense..?? Tell me in 500 hundred words or less

Legions on July 2, 2007 at 2:15 PM

Do you have anything to say of value at all?