Malaysia to U.S.: Be friendlier to Muslims … by backing off on human trafficking
posted at 10:55 am on July 2, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Cultural differences, buddy. Do you want the world to love us or don’t you?
Malaysia dismissed on Monday possible U.S. sanctions over human trafficking and warned Washington of alienating Muslims after it blacklisted mostly Islamic countries.
The U.S. last month ranked Muslim states — Bahrain, Kuwait, Iran, Malaysia, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Qatar — as among the worst human trade offenders, and said they may face sanctions.
“We are not bothered about…the sanctions,” Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said. “I don’t think we need to respond to that sort of pressure.”
“The U.S. really needs to be friendly to Muslim countries,” he told retired Malaysian diplomats. “This is not a good development as they have just appointed a special envoy to OIC.” Malaysia heads the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Conference.
Here’s the list of “Tier 3″ trafficking states per the State Department’s new report on the subject. They’re not all Islamic countries. Only most of them.

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Can you imagine what their Reparations tab’s gonna look like? No wonder the Prince is selling his Aspen compound.
Editor on July 2, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Because you can’t be too nice human traffickers.
terryannonline on July 2, 2007 at 11:07 AM
But they’re just doing jobs the Malay’s won’t do.
/sarc off
KelliD on July 2, 2007 at 11:08 AM
It’s not human trafficking; it’s filthy infidel trafficking. There’s a difference. Doesn’t State know that enslaving infidels is allowed in Dar al Harb?
Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Who are we to question the practices of an independent and free nation?
/oy!!
sunny on July 2, 2007 at 11:14 AM
And…. hmmm… just where is the Liberal outrage???
Oh… yeah… Syria… Pelosi…
Cuba… Sicko Man…
Iran… want to talk…
Venezuela… Cindy and Belafonte…
interesting…
Romeo13 on July 2, 2007 at 11:20 AM
But…But…Saint Cindy said we are oppressed here by Bushitler & CO. How can this be?
/Liberal getting mugged by reality.
amerpundit on July 2, 2007 at 11:23 AM
…oh come on now, Mr. Foreign Minister. You’re just mad because Hollywood never credited you for the idea to kidnap and hold a scared, 20-something white girl in a well (simply a white girl in ‘Silence of the Lambs’, but you really knows she’s nothing but an infidel).
Now go on, Mr. Foreign Minister. It’s about time she put the lotion in the bucket.
…you dick.
flyawaybird on July 2, 2007 at 11:26 AM
Why is it that I think Islam is the single greatest threat to life on earth?
doriangrey on July 2, 2007 at 11:28 AM
What, no more US aid for slavers? We’re so intolerant.
NellE on July 2, 2007 at 11:31 AM
It’s the question of whether cultural superiority exists. Not whether one culture “feels” superior to another, but whether one culture can actually be superior to another.
In the context of universal values and rights, I say the answer is yes.
flipflop on July 2, 2007 at 11:35 AM
So why didn’t Hugo keep Cindy? Could it be that he could find no buyers?
IrishEyes on July 2, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Why is the U.S. not on that list? We have somewhere between 20-30 million Mexican slaves currently being bought and sold in this country. Day labor camps are nothing more than public slave auctions.
I guess only we’re allowed to do it.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 12:04 PM
..Gregor at 12:04 PM.. Your on the wrong web-site..Have you ever even heard of Michelle Malkin..and if so why would you say this..
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM
What is a few slaves among friends?
Shut up, Malaysia.
Stormy70 on July 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I guess that “free to come and go” part (as in open borders) is too difficult for you to grasp.
yubley on July 2, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Maybe they need their lettuce picked, and their border sanctions are too strict.
Hey, wait a minute, we strengthen the borders and then allow businesses to buy and sell the Mexican trade.
That way farmers can get their produce picked and compaines meat butchered, and lawns manicured, we impose a tax on the buy and sell, we maintain order. Business get labor, Congress gets taxes, we control the border. After 5 years they can apply for citizenship, the Dems get their votes. And the U.N. sanctions this type of free enterprise…there is no downside, besides that pesky slavery tag. We will call it amnesty.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Would it be rude to call your post STUPID? If so I won’t post it.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Please note that Muslims never directly reply to criticism but rather misdirect their replies with tu quoque rebuttals to muddy the encounter. Muslims do not take responsibility for their crimes. They do not own their behavior.
In this case, US sanctions over human trafficking are not directly addressed by the Malaysian official but rather spews a bogus argument about the US policy being discriminatory against Muslims. First, it’s simply a lie. Second, it’s hypocritical. Muslims are all about discriminating against other religions. They see nothing wrong with that. In fact, it’s evil to them to tolerate another religion. So when a Muslim bays about discrimination, he’s arguing a principle he himself rejects.
Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Gregor: “Why is the U.S. not on that list? We have somewhere between 20-30 million Mexican slaves currently being bought and sold in this country. Day labor camps are nothing more than public slave auctions. I guess only we’re allowed to do it.”
Gregor, you win today’s prize for How Stupid Can You Get. I recommend you try out this brilliant lefty rhetoric on Daily Kos where there is an enormous appetite for extremist drivel. If you can somehow tie George Bush in there as a Nazi Bushitler slavemaster and Karl Rove as his foreman, you might appeal to the slobbering unhinged of the Left. They eat that stuff up like cats eat their vomit.
Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 12:57 PM
This is very true, but maybe too broadly applied. For instance, I, as a Catholic of Irish descent, never felt compelled to “own” the behavior of the IRA.
flipflop on July 2, 2007 at 12:58 PM
flipflop: “This is very true, but maybe too broadly applied. For instance, I, as a Catholic of Irish descent, never felt compelled to “own” the behavior of the IRA.”
The Vatican does not post legends on the altar of St. Peter’s identifying England as Satan and calling for its death. Islam does identify America as Satan in most sacred rituals and monuments and calls for its death. Catholic priests do not finance, arm, and support IRA terror operations against England. Muslim clerics actively support Islamic terror.
Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 1:02 PM
No. It would just be stupid.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 1:06 PM
Errr … huh? Is this your first day here? Please slap yourself out of your sleep.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Yeah. Just slipped my mind. It’s so difficult to grasp.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Oh yeah, Wikipedia the defining scholarly statements of fact. And you say coyotes is the same as slave traders? Tell that to some of our African-American friends whose grandparents were sold, traded, chained, beaten, raped and killed. How many Americans have been tried and convicted of slave trading in the past 50 years, 75 years, 100 years? Asians do Asians, Hispanics to Hispanics, what stats do you have supporting that Americans are involved in slave trade…besides Wikipedia
That quote alone should have been the tell.
Show me some facts that Americans are doing this in any kind of numbers (if any) relating to the real slave nations.
And good for you, you know how to cut and past from the most unreliable source of information on the web. Next time read what you post.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Oh yeah, right2bright the defining scholarly statements of fact.
Is it your contention that the following words render my claim that slavery takes place in the United States to be false?
“the illegal importation of slaves has continued, albeit at much reduced levels”
So, you simply ignore the first half of the sentence? Nice.
I could give you evidence all day long, but as with other conversations of yours on this blog in the past … nothing would ever be enough. You would simply continue telling me that I need to prove it. I could show you pictures, and you would continue to say prove it.
Even so, here’s just a few for you. You’ll ignore them anyway, and say it doesn’t prove anything. It’s all an illusion.
My apologies to HotAir for the length of the post, but not2bright demands hundreds of examples. I guess I’m supposed to post 20 million to be able to prove my original comment.
No, it’s not from Wikipedia either, but as is your nature, you’ll claim this group doesn’t count either.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:05 PM
..Gregor..how does a well educated person grow up without any common sense..?? Tell me in 500 hundred words or less, you’re obviously going to know..
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 2:15 PM
You mean, like these guys?
I can put you in touch with Ted Hayes, if you would like to speak directly with someone who fits the profile you requested. He’ll be more than happy to fill you in on any details you might desire.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:17 PM
Simple.
“You have to believe in something so strongly that you don’t acknowledge another’s point of view.”
That’s working out pretty good for you and not2bright so far.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:20 PM
When the other “point of view” is idiotic what are we to do??
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Legions, honestly … do you have anything to say? It’s ironic to have someone such as yourself attacking me without offering anything of substance, AND … managing to butcher the English language (
your, you’re)at the same time.So far, here is all you’ve added to this conversation:
Do you have anything to say of value at all?
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Gregor,
Do you get that trafficking in slaves is illegal in the US while it is legal or winked at in many Muslim countries? That’s the whole point of the this thread. Your argument boils down to finding anecdotes of trafficking in the US and generalizing those to be proof of a policy of trafficking in the US. It’s a dopey argument. By contrast, the Muslim governments are in cahoots with the trafficking in their countries.
It’s pretty obvious to everyone that you are trying to make propaganda points against America in typical lefty fashion but do you think anyone outside the lefty extremists are dumb enough to buy your argument? And really, if you have to stretch the truth so far out of shape to slander America, dontcha think the truth may not be on your side?
Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 2:34 PM
NEWS FLASH:
Gregor proves beyond a reasonable doubt that crime still takes place, even in the U.S.A.!
Damn, and we are getting our butt kicked by Antartica and Australia in the quest to be the “nicest” continent.
Fatal on July 2, 2007 at 2:43 PM
LOL! OMG! Are you serious?! Have you read ANY of my previous posts on this blog? Have you bothered to follow the link attached to my name? CLUELESS! You first accuse me of being a lefty, and then attempt to suggest that I’m anti-American (not that they’re not the same thing)?
My point was not to slam this country. My point was to slam the administration’s ridiculously hypocritical argument in the face of the total refusal to secure our borders and stop companies from hiring illegal aliens. The current administration consists of slave owners! They are bought and sold by the corporations who feed off human trafficking.
It’s hypocrisy at it’s worst.
I accept your apology.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:43 PM
..Gregor..Here’s the difference Gregor. Yes, we do have a human trafficing problem here in the US. OK I’m with you on that..and I’ll give you credit for stating it.. We are however trying to address the issue. Your above pc on the Texas para. shows the feds trying their best to catch these people. This is my last posting, keep on fighting, just if you could give us some credit for trying to stop this and not put us in with countrys that condone it. Hope all my I’s are dotted and t’s crossed. Gezzz. And try not to attack us. We are the only 20% left of the population that actually gives a dam anymore, the other 80% are who your hopfully upset with..
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 2:50 PM
In Gregor’s defense, I fail to see how something that has to go underground to continue happening…isn’t happening. Human trafficking/slavery still exists in the US (as well as US allies like South Korea), we just don’t get to look it up in the Yellow Pages.
On the other hand, though, it’s not fair to equate these examples with the vast majority of illegal immigrants who can leave any time they want to. People may be paying them ’slave wages’ but nobody’s forcing them to do the work and nobody is preventing them from going home.
And I suspect we’re not on the list because it’s a State Department list…we’re the ones who wrote it, and we’re not about to sanction ourselves. It’s not even the State Department’s purview, really.
James on July 2, 2007 at 2:51 PM
It’s actually the other way around.
It’s the 20% I’d prefer to deport.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 2:55 PM
..Gregor..you would also have to deport yourself..
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 3:11 PM
You’re just not catching on, are you? Try clicking on my name. You know? The one that’s highlighted blue, indicating that it’s linked. If you think I’m anti-American, pro-amnesty, or anti-border enforcement after that … I’m not sure you can be helped.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Gregor,
What I find funny about the long set of examples you posted is that they are all examples of law enforcement catching and punishing persons who engage in human trafficing. Not only is it illegal here, but we try very hard to stop it.
That is simply not the case in those countries on the list where it is at least ignored, and often probably sanctioned, by the state.
I would also point out that Hispanic illegal immigrants are, by and large, free to return home to Mexico, Guatemala, wherever they come from. They have, for the most part, paid to get here so they can hold a job, send home money, etc. My understanding is that they pre-pay the coyotes to get them here. The coyotes are not under contract to provide workers for a particular business. Once the illegals are over the border, they are on their own to find a place to live, get a job, etc. They are free to come and go, get and lose jobs, etc. They owe no further payments to the people that got them here. These people are not in any meaningful way indentured servants or slaves when they get here. I suspect the same cannot be said for many Chinese, Korean, etc., persons; but they are also much fewer in number.
So, I think that your argument that the US is a major practitioner of human trafficing is not really apt. I think that the clear meaning of the term ‘human trafficing’ is what we used to call slavery – persons who are removed from their homes, forcibly taken to another location, and then held against their will to perform some task. That simply does not describe the 90% or so of illegal immigrants here in the US from south of the border.
No doubt that many of the illegals here descend into lives that are unpleasant and difficult, but they did, by and large, exercise free will to come here and exercise free will to stay here. That’s just not slavery.
BananaSlug on July 2, 2007 at 4:12 PM
Sorry, my grammar could have been a bit better in that post, but I think you’ll get my point.
BananaSlug on July 2, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Gregor: Think about how you express yourself. Your initial post here was not even remotely like your later clarification.
I can’t see how to read your initial post except as a blanket condemnation of the US as a “slave state” and an equivocation between activities considered despicable crimes in the US and deliberate policies of other nations.
Which is how everyone else read it.
Which means you need to consider who made the error.
Merovign on July 2, 2007 at 5:11 PM
I guess I’m supposed to offer pictures of those who ‘aren’t caught.’
If they’re arrested for slavery, then it really isn’t happening.
Have you been to a day labor camp? I would bet that every one of those arguing with me have never been to the border to see the rape zones where those “free” migrants are tortured and raped in exchange for the “freedom” to come and go as they please, and have never stood and watched what goes on at a day labor camp in the “hiring process.”
Frosty Woolridge writes:
Of course, if you doubt all of this is an effort to import slave labor, you might have missed THIS.
Quick, answer the following three questions as if directed toward the United States Government:
The answers, if you’re being honest, would be …
Yes
Yes
No
Interesting, being that these are the questions aimed at most of the governments on the list that this thread relates to in order to gage their response to such things as human trafficking. The survey is conducted by the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 5:37 PM
You mean, this?
You’re right. Absolutely no way anyone could possibly understand that I was referring to illegal aliens,lack of border security, and lack of enforcement. What was I thinking?
“Everyone else?”
You mean … three people?
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 5:42 PM
Yes I googled the same as you. Read my post,
Get it, now you are the one who can’t read. Naturally we have these things happen. We have men doing goats, we have pedophiles, we have all kinds of perverted people, we even have people posting incredibly long and boring google cut and pastes, as if they knew what they were pasting.
Our economy is no where based on slavery, in proportion to countrys like Malayasia, or several other African countries.
You point out a hundred, maybe you could find a thousand to fit your slave definition (although some were more fetish than slave). But we are talking about tens of thousands, we are talking about a culture. You are claiming that the U.S., and its police (generic police) has a similiar culture to slavery as Malayasia or some of the other slave nations. Well good luck on argueing that point, it is foolish to argue with you because you take minsor incidents and blow them out of proportion. Taking an immigrant and making them your houseslave does not make a nation tolerant or make them immersed in the slave trade. You may be the only person on earth that thinks the U.S. in heavily involved in slave trade.
Guess you missed this also, you point out a dozen examples, and most were race on race. That is Illegals forcing Illegals, on of the sad sidelights of illegal immigration, being taken advantage of.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Yes I googled the same as you. Read my post,
Get it, now you are the one who can’t read. Naturally we have these things happen. We have men doing goats, we have pedophiles, we have all kinds of perverted people, we even have people posting incredibly long and boring google cut and pastes, as if they knew what they were pasting.
Our economy is no where based on slavery, in proportion to countrys like Malayasia, or several other African countries.
You point out a hundred, maybe you could find a thousand to fit your slave definition (although some were more fetish than slave). But we are talking about tens of thousands, we are talking about a culture. You are claiming that the U.S., and its police (generic police) has a similiar culture to slavery as Malayasia or some of the other slave nations. Well good luck on argueing that point, it is foolish to argue with you because you take minsor incidents and blow them out of proportion. Taking an immigrant and making them your houseslave does not make a nation tolerant or make them immersed in the slave trade. You may be the only person on earth that thinks the U.S. in heavily involved in slave trade.
Guess you missed this also, you point out a dozen examples, and most were race on race. That is Illegals forcing Illegals, on of the sad sidelights of illegal immigration, being taken advantage of.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Hit the wrong button, let me sum it up this way.
You wasted a lot of cut and paste. Once again I urge you to read and understand what you are posting.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:03 PM
And before anyone responds to my next-to-last post by suggesting that the third question should be answered yes, simply because ICE is running around arresting people, or because we have laws in place to combat these crimes …
Don’t forget what happens after the arrests are made.
Yeah, and that should answer the embarrassing suggestion made by Legions on July 2, 2007 at 12:28 PM in what must have been his first post ever on HotAir.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 6:05 PM
Really? I am? Funny. I don’t recall suggesting that. Can you please point out where I wrote that, or suggested it?
You just did exactly what you accuse me of doing.
I guess in your mind … any race but your own is not American, so shouldn’t be counted in U.S. stats as it relates to our government’s efforts to fight it? Is that it? Or are you somehow saying that there can be no slavery if both the slave and slave owner are the same race, or both illegal?
Bizarre.
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Good post, you would think Gregor would run and hide after that lashing and education.
But he never does, we just get to laugh at him as he tries to waddle his way out of his “cut and paste” hole.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:22 PM
..right2bright..BananaSlug..good work guys.. and my best post was at 2:25..
Legions on July 2, 2007 at 6:35 PM
Here let me explain it to you. This is why I say it is important for you to read and understand what you post.
this is at the top of the page, in which this blog is revolving…OK, Now I will type real slow so you understand.
You say:”Why is the U.S. not on that list? We have somewhere between 20-30 million Mexican slaves currently being bought and sold in this country. Day labor camps are nothing more than public slave auctions. I guess only we’re allowed to do it”
Which is tantamount to saying we allow it. Then you make to long and boring posts of cut and paste from Wikipedia to underline your contention that slavery is alive and well in America.
Now you can see how I understood your posts to believe that the U.S. is in the slave trade. You claim 20 million slaves, that could not happen without authorities in the know.
See how it comes together now.
Once again, please read and understand my posts. The point I was making that most of the “slave” trade you cut and pasted was illegal on illegal and that that was one of the unfortunate side effects of illegal immigration…you didn’t read that?
I really don’t want to discuss this anymore, you just are not real sharp on understanding what people write. But then you have never really ever made sense to me.
Have a nice evening.
right2bright on July 2, 2007 at 6:40 PM
You also added … “
I rest my case.
I repeat …
“I guess in your mind … any race but your own is not American, so shouldn’t be counted in U.S. stats as it relates to our government’s efforts to fight it? Is that it? Or are you somehow saying that there can be no slavery if both the slave and slave owner are the same race, or both illegal?”
Seek help
Gregor on July 2, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Gregor: “LOL! OMG! Are you serious?! Have you read ANY of my previous posts on this blog? Have you bothered to follow the link attached to my name? CLUELESS!”
Ridicule, hysterical indignation, and outrage that you have somehow been misunderstood are the stuff of demagogues. I am not impressed.
Gregor: “You first accuse me of being a lefty, and then attempt to suggest that I’m anti-American (not that they’re not the same thing)?”
Actually, very often lefty and anti-American are the same thing. For example, in your case.
Gregor: “My point was not to slam this country.”
Actually, it quite clearly was to slam America. You are fleeing your position because it’s indefensible.
Gregor: “My point was to slam the administration’s ridiculously hypocritical argument in the face of the total refusal to secure our borders and stop companies from hiring illegal aliens.”
And now you are fleeing your original charge that America deals in human trafficking to hop to a new topic you hope you can defend. Your original point was simply to make wild slander against America.
Gregor: “The current administration consists of slave owners! They are bought and sold by the corporations who feed off human trafficking.”
Your assertion is mindless and baseless slander against America born of a treasonous and dishonest heart.
Gregor: ‘It’s hypocrisy at it’s worst.”
Your statement is anti-American rhetoric at its silliest and most venomous.
Gregor: “I accept your apology.”
What an arrogant self-righteous little turd you are. You sound like a dopey sophomore sitting in a room with a Che poster looking for an identity, trying on a pose as a radical. Scat!
Tantor on July 3, 2007 at 1:47 PM
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