Bombshell if true: Musharraf OKs U.S. attacks inside Pakistan

posted at 1:42 pm on July 2, 2007 by Allahpundit

The Asia Times isn’t my go-to source for reliable news but there’s a lot about this that makes sense. It comes two days after the big Times scoop on Saturday about Talibanization in the tribal areas threatening to spill over into Pakistan proper and six weeks after the LA Times reported grumbling within the administration about the huge amount of military aid we’re handing to a guy who refuses to use his military. Sounds like the opposition to him within Pakistan for firing the country’s chief justice might now be so hot that he’s worried what’ll happen if the U.S. suddenly withdraws its support for him, too.

That’s nice leverage to have. Let’s hope it’s true that we’ve used it. In light of the attacks this weekend and the reports ABC has been churning out about suicide-bomber graduation ceremonies and summer “spectaculars,” it may be that we couldn’t afford to wait any longer.

Since last September, North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan have been pressing Islamabad for the right to conduct extensive hot-pursuit operations into Pakistan to target Taliban and al-Qaeda bases.

According to Asia Times Online contacts, NATO and its US backers have gotten their wish: coalition forces will start hitting targets wherever they might be.

Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf is expected to make an important announcement on extremism during an address to the nation in the next day or two…

Operations inside Pakistan might be carried out independently by the United States, probably with air power, by Pakistani forces acting alone or as joint offensives. In all cases, though, the US will pull the strings, for instance by providing the Pakistanis with information on targets to hit…

[N]ew operations, which could begin within weeks, if not days, are expected to be much larger in scale [than previous isolated U.S. air attacks].

They’ve been hitting isolated targets in Pakistan periodically when intel emerges that an AQ leader is on the premises. Zawahiri was almost liquidated last year in an airstrike on a madrassa; the CIA’s increased its presence in the border area too within the last few months, but with no reported results. Obviously, given the extent of AQ/Taliban penetration, they want a more sustained presence. In fact, Bush promised Wolf Blitzer last year that if Osama was spotted, he’d send U.S. troops across the border whether or not Musharraf wanted them there — which, as Musharraf reminded us all again recently, he didn’t. Funny how a political crisis concentrates the mind.

Speaking of crisis, why would Musharraf think he can get away with inviting U.S. troops onto Pakistani soil in the middle of his own political meltdown? Quite possibly because of the months-long standoff he’s been having with Maulana Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, the two jihadist nuts who operate the “Red Mosque” in Islamabad and have been scaring the hell out of people with kidnappings, threats of suicide bombings, etc. I’ve written about them before. Now would be a good time to revisit those posts because if Musharraf does make the announcement that the Asia Times predicts, they’re surely going to react somehow. And if the Times is right about who they are, they’re much more significant figures than any of us have realized:

All these pro-Taliban/al-Qaeda zones on the Afghan border have connections with the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Islamabad, run by outspoken brothers Maulana Abdul Aziz and Ghazi Abdul Rasheed. The brothers are openly pro-Taliban and also run large Islamic seminaries for boys and girls.

The Pakistani establishment believes Aziz is in fact the new leader of all the Taliban and al-Qaeda assets spreading through northwestern Pakistan, especially the zone commanded by the TNSM. Aziz delivers lectures by telephone every evening to TNSM members…

They can be expected to organize sustained resistance should NATO/US forces launch attacks into Pakistan. Some reports claim that about 70 suicide bombers are waiting to be unleashed from the mosque. But any attack on the mosque could set off a chain reaction all the way from Islamabad to the Afghan border and beyond, in the process throwing Pakistan further into turmoil.

The cynic in me wonders if that Pakistani government memo about Talibanization that formed the basis of the Times scoop this weekend wasn’t purposely leaked by Musharraf to alarm the locals and give him the political cover he needs to authorize U.S. incursions. Whatever you gotta do, buddy.


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This is the right way to start the week! Especially the week we celebrate Independence Day. I’ve got my fingers, toes, and kiss-curls crossed!

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Musharraf is really starting to remind me of Ngo Dinh Diem. If he’s going to go after the mosque, he needs to do it with extreme prejudice. Anything less will be the end of him.

fiatboomer on July 2, 2007 at 1:49 PM

This would be a big bombshell indeed. Wow.

Again though, we’ll wait for confirmation.

Dash on July 2, 2007 at 1:50 PM

It’s about time. It is well known to military personnel in the region that the biggest threat facing us is enemy soldiers training, basing, resupplying and fighting from Pakistan.

I hope the article is true. We could bring a world of hurt to these animals if Pakistan incursions are allowed now.

PBoilermaker on July 2, 2007 at 1:51 PM

Musharaf has finally realized that the Islamic terrorists are not going to stop until that enslave the Pakistani people into religious fanaticism. Being brainwashed from birth is an enemy without reason.

volsense on July 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Ditto — except for the “kiss-curls”. Does Gene Simmons get royalties on those ;^)

db on July 2, 2007 at 1:54 PM

With lagging support over Iraq and a loss on the immigration bill, I was wondering if the President might become a little more driven to find Bin Laden sooner than later. Interesting.

Graybark on July 2, 2007 at 1:54 PM

If true, and made public, then he has decided that his only option is to let the U.S. in and hope they can get him to the Gulfstream before some PAK Robespiere comes looking for him. Long hot summer ahead.

Limerick on July 2, 2007 at 1:54 PM

I think Musharraf knows that thanks to Iran and Al Queda and the Taliban a whole god awful world of hurt is about to land right smack down on top of Pakistan, and good secular Pakistani that he is Musharraf is attempting to lessen the force of that impact any way that he can.

doriangrey on July 2, 2007 at 1:54 PM

We can only hope. Love to see us turn those tribal areas into gravel quarries

400lb Gorilla on July 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Maulana Abdul Aziz and Abdul Rasheed Ghazi — two dead men walking, methinks.

This is also going to “balkanize” the Democrats even more. Most (if not all) of the “base” is going to object to any increased military operations in Afghanistan because that is their nature. The two leading assclowns (Hillary and Obama) are going to be under pressure to denounce any US attempts to wipe out Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan, while the rest of the pack are going to vociferously protest “expanding the war.”

Assuming the traitorous media does what it usually does, watch for the same kind of “we’re helpless and they’re picking us off one by one” type of reporting from the ‘stans.

The Traitor Party and their media allies CANNOT ALLOW BUSH’s ADMINISTRATION TO SUCCEED IN AFGHANISTAN.

georgej on July 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM

I’m OKing U.S. attacks inside Pakistan.

If anybody cares…

IreneFingIrene on July 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM

I thought this was a given months ago. This is news???

Capitalist Infidel on July 2, 2007 at 1:57 PM

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 1:44 PM

Ditto — except for the “kiss-curls”. Does Gene Simmons get royalties on those ;^)

db on July 2, 2007 at 1:54 PM

Yeh, it was funnier in the ghey thread. You do know that there’s nothing wrong with that, BTW?

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 1:59 PM

IreneFingIrene on July 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM

Since you fowarded the motion I will second it.

Joey1974 on July 2, 2007 at 2:00 PM

What happened to “You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists”? We will never win this war, or any future war, unless the politicians allow our military to take the gloves off, go kill the bad guys, and win the damn war!

revolutionismyname on July 2, 2007 at 2:03 PM

Grain of salt alert. ATimes is flaky and this could very well be totally bogus.

If this is true then we’ll know when Musharraf gives his most important speech in the coming days. Don’t hold your breath.

If this is true is it a sign of weakness from Musharraf? Or a sign of strength? What is Musharraf’s game plan here? How does this relate to the quasi-freedom for A Q Khan Hot Air linked to earlier?

If and when US forces strike in Pakistan proper, won’t the street fill with pissed off mobs of Rage Boys? Can Pakistan take the strain of yet another major political crisis? Finally, will Musharraf survive if we explode some terrorists inside the sovereign nation of Pakistan? And I don’t mean politically – I mean survive period.

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 2:04 PM

Pakistan: Urdu for “Cambodia.”

Hannibal Smith on July 2, 2007 at 2:06 PM

We have been making raids and hits into Warizistan for sometime now but this will open it up into training camps, middle management, and some real beneficial actions.

This I found interesting///
“Aziz delivers lectures by telephone every evening to TNSM members…”

If this statement is true I would say that Musharafs sudden change of heart was probably helped along by some of those briefings thrown on Musharafs desk by US. Musharaf is a survivor if we showed evidence AQ/Taliban working to eliminate him he would without hesitation do whatever needed.

Side note if this is true I really hope we coordinate NSA with a couple B-2′s that happened to be running 8balls across predetermined locals in Warizistan. Make it a coordinated strike and go for Aziz primary with whoever wherever gets down with the conference call. My dream of perfection would go

Conference call Warizistan “everyone here and present OK praise allah Aziz will now open the meeting with Bzzzt bzzzzt bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt Aziz Farouq Jafar Muhamad what happened to the confernece errrrrr”

Dam I guy can dream huh. I doubt the balls will be there to allow such a move thou.

C-Low on July 2, 2007 at 2:08 PM

“Okay, okay, I give. I am going to let the US lead us in attacks inside Pakistan, due to the appeasement not working. Then after the situation is a little more settled, I think we should try more appeasement.”

nottakingsides on July 2, 2007 at 2:12 PM

Let’s roll!

CP on July 2, 2007 at 2:13 PM

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 1:59 PM

Your response made no sense to me until I realized you must be confusing Gene Simmons with Richard Simmons. Yikes!

db on July 2, 2007 at 2:17 PM

Pakistan: Urdu for “Cambodia.”

Hannibal Smith on July 2, 2007 at 2:06 PM

Fine gallows humor. Also a horrorible, horrorible thought.

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 2:19 PM

Lets protect our own borders first

tomas on July 2, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Sounds to me like the intel assets we have been cultivating since 9/11 are starting to bear fruit. Hopefully that fruit will be in the form of MOAB’s, JDAM’s, Hellfire’s, etc.

OH THE JOY TO BE A MEMBER OF THE TEN MOUNTAIN, 82nd, AND THE 101st, et al!!!!

csdeven on July 2, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Alert the bomber fleet to start engines. Load up the JDAMs. It’s time for the precision-munition jamboree in Waziristan. And just in time for the Fourth of July.

And crank up that “Ride of the Valkyries.”

Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 2:23 PM

tomas on July 2, 2007 at 2:21 PM

Mexico already protects its borders, what are you sniveling about?

doriangrey on July 2, 2007 at 2:25 PM

And crank up that “Ride of the Valkyries.”

Tantor on July 2, 2007 at 2:23 PM

I’d prefer ‘Love by the Dashboard Light’ or ‘Get Over It’.

Limerick on July 2, 2007 at 2:28 PM

Your response made no sense…Yikes!

db on July 2, 2007 at 2:17 PM

It might make sense if you read the thread I referenced. OK, enough of this. Sorry for the ridiculous tangent, AP.

RushBaby on July 2, 2007 at 2:31 PM

How about “Hair of the Dog”.

csdeven on July 2, 2007 at 2:32 PM

If this happens, the entertainment will just be starting. Let’s see the libs and Donks reaction, since this is their “good war.” They complain all the time that BushCo has taken their eye off Bin Laden. A move into Pakistan would be exactly what they have been promoting, if not directly calling for it. I say it is even money that the response from the left is to decry the President’s ever escalating conflict and that we need to pull the troops now.

Mallard T. Drake on July 2, 2007 at 2:36 PM

El Presidente Jorge is between a rock and a hard place.

Among other things, his domestic policy legacy has been shot down. Libby is off to jail in a few weeks. As poster noted above, its been 6 years and Bin Laden and Zawahiri are still out and about.

I think it’s either time for Jorge to pull off something spectacularly successful or to quietly slink off and forever be counted amongst the ranks of Lower Tier Presidents.

there it is on July 2, 2007 at 2:38 PM

I’m thinking the boys go in with “Let the Good Times Roll” screaming from the Apaches, full bass.

Jaibones on July 2, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Should have been done in the Tora Bora / OBL fleeing era, circa the end of 2001.

But better damned late than goddamned never.

profitsbeard on July 2, 2007 at 2:49 PM

Here’s some sort of confirmation from the Daily Times of Pakistan.

There is a covert understanding between the Pakistan government and NATO forces in Afghanistan regarding direct US military action in the tribal areas [snip] … At times, it appears that the US acts without informing Pakistan, but the Pakistan government always claims otherwise in order to protect its domestic credibility[.]

Thomas the Wraith on July 2, 2007 at 2:50 PM

Jaibones on July 2, 2007 at 2:41 PM

Better yet blasting Kiss’s “Rock and Roll All Nite” at about 200db……

doriangrey on July 2, 2007 at 3:02 PM

Rock the Casbah” for the Black Hawks.

Machine Gun” for the Warthogs.

profitsbeard on July 2, 2007 at 3:25 PM

I just hope we have backup plans in case the jihadis overthrow Mushy and try to get their hands on Pakistan’s nukes, which is why we never went in there to begin with.

Tony737 on July 2, 2007 at 3:27 PM

Tony737 on July 2, 2007 at 3:27 PM

I’m sure we do…….And it probably involves farming…as in we gonna start growing mushroom….27 mile tall glow in the dark mushrooms…They have a very short growing season, they grow in a matter of minutes from when planted, and there is plenty for for all the locals…….

doriangrey on July 2, 2007 at 3:37 PM

Wow.

Knew it was only a matter of time. Musharraf knows full well who better to ally with. It’s a major step for him, if this is all true, and if he truly gave NATO forces a blank check on what they can do.

Hoping something very good comes out of all this.

JetBoy on July 2, 2007 at 3:53 PM

Deep Purple – “Burn”
Judas Priest – “Delivering the Goods”
Kiss – “Hotter Than Hell”
Led Zeppelin – “No Quarter”/”Trampled Under Foot”
Robin Trower – “Day of the Eagle”

OhEssYouCowboys on July 2, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Could the meeting between Bush and Putin have any bearing on Musharraf’s decision?

sonnyspats1 on July 2, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Seems like our very first move should be reducing this Red Mosque and all it’s inhabitants to one very large smoking crater.

trigon on July 2, 2007 at 4:31 PM

One word: w00t!

Merovign on July 2, 2007 at 4:37 PM

Thomas the Wraith:
Fine gallows humor. Also a horrorible, horrorible thought.

Indeed – but also a parody of the left’s ridiculous “Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam” bumper stickers. If they want to make a stupid analogy, we may as well follow it to its logical conclusions.

Hannibal Smith on July 2, 2007 at 5:22 PM

Let’s get it on.

Pablo on July 2, 2007 at 6:11 PM

yeah baby… it’s go time…

Kaptain Amerika on July 2, 2007 at 6:33 PM

In all cases, though, the US will pull the strings, for instance by providing the Pakistanis with information on targets to hit…

Bad idea, we shouldn’t give the Pakistani’s any information, they’ll just pass it on to the enemy since many in the Pakistani military are sympathetic to militant Islam!

Also, it’s about damn time we put some real pressure on Mush, the guy has been playing both sides and I’m glad he’s finally being forced into a corner to decide which side he’s really on! I realize it’s a delicate balancing act within his country betweeen moderates and the militants, but he can’t continue to pay lip service while all the time accepting billions in aid from us to help fight the WOT!

I’m hopeful Mush has finally learned his lesson that you cannot negotiate with AQ or the Taliban, they never live up to their end of the agreement, ever! I do hope our military starts raids into Pakistan, I’m tired of waiting to see OBL’s head on a stake!

Liberty or Death on July 2, 2007 at 8:05 PM

What happened to “You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists”? We will never win this war, or any future war, unless the politicians allow our military to take the gloves off, go kill the bad guys, and win the damn war!

revolutionismyname on July 2, 2007 at 2:03 PM

I feel your frustration revolution, we are not fighting this war to win!

Also, Mush has been playing both sides thinking it would work, it never does. Hopefully our government is putting some pressure on him to make him decide what side he’s really on and to start earning the billions we’re sending him!

Liberty or Death on July 2, 2007 at 8:14 PM

Hay Ya’All!
I watched ABC, CBS and NBC news tonight and there was no mention of this.
Are you sure it’s true?

spike on July 2, 2007 at 9:23 PM

OH THE JOY TO BE A MEMBER OF THE TEN MOUNTAIN, 82nd, AND THE 101st, et al!!!!

Can’t talk for the 82nd or 101st. But the 10th Mountain was probably a little better than when I was attached to the 25th ID (Light). Just sayin’…

Pak Army did some heavy fighting up along the border in late 2004 – but they had no staying power. I think we can supply the edge, so we’ll have to see what happens.

major john on July 2, 2007 at 10:57 PM

And also during all the chaos and fighting, the Delta force can swoop in and take all the Paki nukes, for, uh, “safekeeping”

gmoonster on July 3, 2007 at 12:48 AM