Glasgow bombing: Photo of the day year; Update: Police have images of both London drivers, know one’s identity; Update: Police were on trail of Glasgow bombers when they struck; Update: First suspect named
posted at 12:32 pm on July 1, 2007 by Allahpundit
Send to a Friend |
printer-friendly
Check out the cover of the Sunday Mail. I can’t find a full-sized version of the image on the site (Update: see below) but it looks much clearer than a cell-phone photo and can only have been taken moments after the Jeep hit, after the guy had (allegedly) immolated himself.
The car was laden with gas canisters but failed to ram its way through after getting caught on a road sign. Our exclusive picture shows the attacker in a boiler suit and plastic bags over his feet instead of shoes - the typical uniform of a suicide bomber.
His face was covered by a red and white scarf - similar to those worn in other terror attacks…
[T]he off-duty officer grabbed an extinguisher to try to put out flames engulfing the first attacker.
Despite his terrible burns, the terrorist started hitting the officer screaming: “It’s a bomb, it’s a bomb.”
Two on-duty policemen felled him with a CS spray and arrested him.
I’ll have more Glasgow links here later so stand by for updates, but in the meantime your rhetorical exit question: How did they get such an amazing shot?
Update: The baggage handler with the (nearly) impenetrable accent heard the bomber yelling “Allah” when he was throwing punches, not “It’s a bomb.” I wonder who’s right.
Update: Two good points from the comments. It’s an airport so it stands to reason there are people walking around with high-end touristy cameras. In which case, that’s one steely tourist who had the smarts and guts to stand there and start snapping. Another reader notes the claim in the article that boiler suits are the “uniform of a suicide bomber.” Really? Since when do suicide bombers wear uniforms?
Update: The police are holding a press conference in Glasgow now. A spokesman says the links between the three attacks are becoming “ever clearer” and that details about the “network” should be coming out in the next days and weeks.
Update: A follow-up on the “suspect device” that was found on the guy being hosed down in the photo — turns out it wasn’t so suspect.
Strathclyde police said early today that explosives experts had determined the device was safe and not a suicide belt, as the media had speculated.
Update: Another follow-up, this time of the ABC report yesterday that the U.S. was warned about threats to aviation in Glasgow: Chertoff refused to comment specifically on it but said any intel we might have had would have been shared with the Brits.
Update: We’ll have to wait to see to what the deal was with yesterday’s attack, but here’s a detail about the Mercedes bombs in London that Larry “Non-event” Johnson won’t be happy to hear.
Chris Driver-Williams, a retired British army major who is a consultant to the U.S. and British governments on bombs manufactured by terrorist groups, said the two car bombs may have appeared crude but their explosive firepower could have been “catastrophic.”
According to some reports, the valves on the gas cylinders were left open, which Driver-Williams said was a strong indication that the bombers intended to create a “fuel-air” explosion. “What you’re effectively creating is a thermobaric device,” he said, referring to an explosion that relies on oxygen in the atmosphere to ignite a blast wave more powerful than many conventional explosives.
Fuel-air explosives are difficult to ignite, and the timing is especially tricky, Driver-Williams said. A mistake might result in two separate but minor explosions — such as a burning car — if the fuel-air mixture does not ignite properly. If it does, however, the result would be a “fireball the size of a house.”
Danger Room, which was all over this angle before the media had touched it, has since updated its original post with this detail:
[T]raditional defenses against car bombs may not work against this kind of attack. “In particular,” Hambling notes, “barriers set up to give a safe stand-off distance from truck or car bombs packed with conventional explosives may be not enough to prevent a fuel-air blast which can create dangerous overpressure at a much greater range.”
Update: The Daily Mail has the full-sized photo and notes that Penny Lane in Liverpool has been blocked off as part of the terror investigation. On behalf of all Beatles fans: heart-ache.
Update: It’s already old news by now but there’s been a fifth arrest in connection with the attack in addition to the two bombers themselves and the two people detained in northern England late last night — on the highway, presumably while they were on their way out of Dodge. Investigators have a hot lead on the Friday car bombs, too:
CBS News has learned the police have been able to reconstruct the journey of the bomb vehicles through London using closed-circuit TV images.
And using license plate recognition technology, the police now know precisely where and when the bombers brought their cars into central London.
Those video cameras are sophisticated and sensitive at night. Sources say there are good quality images of both drivers. CBS News has learned that the police know the identity of at least one of the suspects.
Update: Also old-ish news by now too gold not to mention, it’s Tony Blair on the jihad. A promising hint of new candor to come now that he’s been freed from the political shackles of the premiership: ‘The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we’re not actually fighting it properly. We’re not actually standing up to these people and saying, “It’s not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn’t justified.”‘ And: ‘When I’m trying to change the law in order to make it easier to deport people who engage in terrorism - the idea that that’s an assault on hundreds of years of British civil liberties is completely absurd. Some of what is written on this is loopy-loo in its extremism.’
Update: Maybe this solves the “Allah”/”It’s a bomb” confusion — it was taxi drivers in the area who were yelling that the car was a bomb.
Update: MI5 finds itself in the odd position here of hoping that it simply failed to track closely enough guys it already knew about. The nightmare scenario is that they’re “cleanskins” — i.e., people they didn’t know about at all.
“If there is no trace then this means the terrorism situation in the UK is much worse than we have believed and everything we have been doing - the expansion of MI5 - will have to be reassessed,” said a highly placed source. The British sources also revealed that one theory was the terrorists may have been sent from abroad to launch the latest attacks.
Police were still hunting an Iraqi, suspected of plotting similar attacks, who went on the run on June 18 while under a British control order restricting his movements.
Update: Needless to say, if it turns out that one or more of the suspects who slipped their control orders were involved in this, it’s going to give Gordon Brown all the political cover he needs to pass new security measures. According to the AP, Britons are already starting to accept “Big Brotherish surveillance.” Meanwhile, another tantalizing detail from Big Brother:
One official said that investigators in London had a picture, apparently from one of Britain’s ubiquitous CCTV security cameras, of the two Mercedes used in the London bombings parked next to each other, a potential clue to where and how the failed London attacks were prepared and staged.
Some investigators have note that some sophisticated planning almost certainly went into the attacks: the booby-trapped Mercedes parked outside the Tiger Tiger club near Piccadilly Circus was parked in a legal parking zone, a rarity in a traffic-clogged district where parking is mostly banned. This suggests the bombers conducted advance reconnaissance on their target.
A car-bomb manual allegedly published by Al Qaeda in Iraq warns would-be bombers not to park illegally.
Update: Just across on Fox, via Sky — the suspects are not believed to be homegrown, and at least one is still at large.
Update: More from Sky about the suspects — two of them are “hospital doctors.” Zawahiri is a doctor by trade himself, as was now-liquidated former Hamas chief Abdel Aziz Rantissi. Money quote: “This is very far removed from the picture we normally have. These are professional people with highly paid jobs who are intent on killing people.”
Update: Finally, a clear frontal image of one of the suspects. The Daily Mail’s got it, and the eyewitnesses obviously weren’t kidding about the flames burning the guy’s clothes off. The Mail also notes that of the two doctor suspects, one of them was the driver yesterday in the Glasgow attack. More:
One of the doctors, the man arrested on the [highway], was said to be a Jordanian-born doctor at the North Staffordshire Hospital in Stoke-on-Trent.
He lived with his wife and baby in a rented house in Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire, where forensic officers were carrying out a detailed search last night…
The doctor involved in the Glasgow attack is an Iraqi who is thought to have been granted asylum in the UK while a third suspect comes from Lebanon…
A bomb factory is believed to have been found at an address in Scotland and more arrests are expected.
Police had been close been on the trail of the Glasgow bombers, checking an address linked to them just minutes before they drove their four wheel-drive Jeep Cherokee into the airport arrivals lounge.
I have to admit, I wonder if that last detail is true or whether they’re circulating it just to make the public feel a little confident that they have some sense of where all (or almost all) of the UK’s jihadists are.
Update: NBC got a copy of the NYPD’s threat assessment of the Glasgow bombings. Quote: “Approximately 150 Britons have traveled to fight in Iraq; a number are believed to have returned and formed ’sleeper cells.’” I can’t wait to hear more about that Iraqi doctor.
Update: We’ve got our first name, courtesy of the Beeb. Steyn’s got a line he likes to use about how “whenever something goofy turns up on the news, chances are it involves a fellow called Mohammed.” He won’t be disappointed in this case. Meanwhile, the Times is the first newspaper I’ve seen to confirm an important link between the Glasgow attack and the ones in London: the Glasgow Jeep was also carrying “propane gas containers,” suggesting that it too was meant to be a fuel-air bomb.
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: [1] 2 »
Rove, you magnificent bastard!
Blacklake on July 1, 2007 at 12:35 PM
At an airport there are lots of people going on holiday with their cameras ready to go would be my guess.
bbz123 on July 1, 2007 at 12:38 PM
A real picture of the year would have been the off duty cop pissing on him to extinguish the flames.
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Is this mag like the Enquirer? Is it possible that we have some fauxtography at work here? It’s pretty hard to tell since we cannot get a larger photo.
I hope it’s real. It does my heart good to watch these scum suffer.
csdeven on July 1, 2007 at 12:39 PM
Huh. Learn something new every day.
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 12:40 PM
right place, right time. You may recall the French documentary crew that was in Manhattan the morning of 9/11 and just happen to turn their cameras upward as the first plane hit the north tower. Considering an airport is filled with vactioners with cameras, I’d say one of them kept their wits and started firing away at the scene.
Mallard T. Drake on July 1, 2007 at 12:40 PM
bbz — Good point. Although it’s a steely tourist who has the presence of mind in a situation like that to pull out the ol’ Nikon and start snapping.
Allahpundit on July 1, 2007 at 12:40 PM
He wasn’t saying “Allah” he was saying “Ron Paul, Ron Paul!!!”
benrand on July 1, 2007 at 12:43 PM
I know who I’m choosing.
Let me put it this way: the baggage handler would be less likely to have an editorial policy in place that would prevent him from making Muslims look bad by reporting that this suicide bomber was a follower of Allah.
Vyce on July 1, 2007 at 12:43 PM
As for how they got the photo, many travelers carry a camera these days (digital, high MP count), so that really isn’t a surprise considering the attack happened at an airport.
Then again, it could be terrorist PR staged to photograph what was -anticipated- to be a nice image of carnage against Westerners for Al Jazeera. With the SNAFU, the photos were taken for whatever value could be recouped and, if so, the turd was probably paid a hefty sum for this contingency photo to fund even more RoP activities.
PBoilermaker on July 1, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Anyone know the name of the photographer?
PBoilermaker on July 1, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Here is a blow up of the photo
bnelson44 on July 1, 2007 at 12:49 PM
I was going to say that the photo might have been sold and worth some money. However, I was watching CNN after the first plane hit, thinking if I was in the second tower would I evacuate or watch? Then, the second plane hit. So, obviously, there is a high risk. Got to hand it to the brave people who did intercede to stop these creeps.
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 12:51 PM
Amazing powers of deduction; three vehicles (all higher-end, stolen) filled with fuel and driven by “Asian” type young men into populated areas and then detonated (or at least attempted to).
If this happened in the USA the police would first say “it wasn’t terrorism” and then when the second and third events happened they would say “there is no link between them at this time.” Anyone who disagreed would be labeled a right-wing war-monger looking to justify bombing the poor innocent peace-loving democratic republic of Iran - which has gobs of oil and will connect to the secret pipeline in Afghanistan to carry oil to the coast in big boats labeled HALIBURTON.
Neo on July 1, 2007 at 12:52 PM
I have a question for democrats. After seeing what is going on in Britian right now why are you in such a hurry to release the prisoners at Gitmo ?
How many americans have to die for you to even begin to fight back against terrorism ?
William Amos on July 1, 2007 at 12:54 PM
http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/19240/2003957820331855636_rs.jpg
Looks to me like he’s trying to get into the trunk area of the Jeep. And it does look like he’s wearing a jumpsuit… but why?
SilverStar830 on July 1, 2007 at 12:54 PM
Could that be a video grab? I don’t know who was shooting it, but there seemed to be plenty of video of the Jeep on fire aired yesterday.
Pablo on July 1, 2007 at 12:56 PM
I’m more curious about the plastic bags on his feet and the fact that it is labeled standard suicide bomber wear. Could it be that clothes and shoes might aid the police in learning his identity postmortem? Isn’t that what Scotland Yard did in the Lockerbee crash — find a small piece of cloth and trace it to some country?
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Devout Muslim suicide bombers sometimes shave their heads and paint their hands white…that’s one of the few telltale signs we were told to look out for. It isn’t a rule, however.
Never heard of coveralls being a suicide uniform, though.
PBoilermaker on July 1, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Could it be flame resistant ? I think that after the failure of the cell phones they realized they needed to be on site to detonate.
It seems the plan is to start a fire and get it hot enough to blow probably by setting off the fuel tanks and accelerant inthe car.
Im willing to bet they tested their “bomb” and found it requires more than just igniting gas to cause the explosion
Also it seems they havent gone the way of the Oklahoma city bomber. Maybe its too hard to get those materials ?
William Amos on July 1, 2007 at 12:59 PM
Some eyewitnesses said there were gas cylinders in the Jeep. He might have been reaching for those. The other theory is that there was a third guy in the back and he was trying to get him out.
Allahpundit on July 1, 2007 at 1:02 PM
But plastic bags aren’t. I would hate to be running around with melted plastic on my feet.
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 1:02 PM
Allahpundit ,
The Press conference on Sky news about 15 minutes ago confirmed there wasn’t a third person in the car.
Killgore Trout on July 1, 2007 at 1:05 PM
Here’s my theory on the mistaken martyr vest: They knew that their bomb design was faulty so the guy strapped himself with road flares and doused himself with petrol to become the backup detonator.
Killgore Trout on July 1, 2007 at 1:07 PM
That is an amazing photo.
vcferlita on July 1, 2007 at 1:09 PM
If they’re trying to build fuel-air bombs, that’s not good, those things are nasty. And sure, they’ve f*cked up these two times, but one of these days the terrorists are gonna get better at doing it and kill a lot of people.
Bad Candy on July 1, 2007 at 1:19 PM
Three times, sorry, forgot about the one in the police impound lot…
Bad Candy on July 1, 2007 at 1:26 PM
Why is that guy trying to put him out? I would have been pumping more gas on him.
csdeven on July 1, 2007 at 1:36 PM
csdeven on July 1, 2007 at 1:36 PM
You’re such a mean little bastage, want me to hold that gas can for you???????????
doriangrey on July 1, 2007 at 1:46 PM
“In Penny Lane there is a bomber showing photographs”
dingoatemebaby on July 1, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Hope he likes fire, its gonna be real hot where hes going, no virgins either.. he he he..
Viper1 on July 1, 2007 at 2:16 PM
dingoatemebaby on July 1, 2007 at 1:58 PM
Of ev’ry Jew he’s had the pleasure to explode..
doriangrey on July 1, 2007 at 2:17 PM
My appolligies to John:
Thanks for the help dorian.
dingoatemebaby on July 1, 2007 at 2:30 PM
My apologies to spell check.
dingoatemebaby on July 1, 2007 at 2:40 PM
For the democrat party sympathizers, here are some words that rhyme with or sound like “Allah” so they can make excuses as to why its not a REAL terrorist threat:
Holla
Scholar
Olive
Installer/Installah
Caller/Callah
Yellow
Baller/Ballah
Collar
Dollar
SouthernGent on July 1, 2007 at 2:43 PM
Lord Stevens, Mr Brown’s new terrorism adviser, has said the attacks signalled a “major escalation in the war being waged on us by Islamic terrorists”.
Maybe the British are finally getting it. How long before the Americans do?
Last is First on July 1, 2007 at 3:00 PM
Love this quote from the ignorant liberals at the New York Times…
“In July 2005, four suicide bombers killed 52 people on London’s transit system, and another set of attacks failed two weeks later, bringing home to Britain fears of homegrown terrorist attacks among it’s disenfranchised South Asian population. Witnesses said the two men in the Glasgow attack were South Asian.”
In it’s pathetic attempt to portray the terrorists as victims by describing them as “disenfranchised” the NYT shows it’s complete ignorance of Britain’s immigrant populations.
One) All South Asian Britons of voting age can vote - therefore they are not
“disenfranchised” in the voting sense
Two) South Asian also describes immigrants from India who are mostly Hindu. While Pakistanis (muslim) have high unemployment rates the Indian Hindu population are extremely upwardly mobile - many of them are doctors, lawyers, bankers and businessmen and their children form the highest percentage of university graduates. Both these groups are identitical in physical appearence so the poor performance of Pakistanis in our culture is nothing to do with racism or being “disenfranchised ” by their skin colour.
Three) Unempolyment rates are high in many white and Afro-Carribean areas of Britain but for some reason they don’t want to murder women and children by turning them into fireballs.
Four) The 7/7 bombers all actually came from middle-class backgrounds and were financially better off than many of their white counterparts and were in no way “disenfranchised”
Five) Why does the NYT not mention the religion of these South Asians it sees as victims ?
Six) why is the NYT such a sick joke ?
London Boy on July 1, 2007 at 3:06 PM
SouthernGent-
You forgot “Falla“, FDR’s Scottie.
These guy’s are clearly just memorializing a great pooch.
FALLA AKBAR!
profitsbeard on July 1, 2007 at 3:08 PM
They’re also very complex, requiring that the fuel component by aerosolized the ignited with relatively high precision (and I’m not even sure it’s possible to make one that isn’t air-dropped).
I think the only reason the phrase “fuel-air bomb” has gotten injected in the story is because some idiot reporter thought that, since gasoline is fuel, and propane tanks are kind of like air tanks, then these must be fuel-air bombs!
They’re bombs, all right, and they aren’t a joke, but they have much much more technologically in common with Molotov cocktails than FAE’s.
Blacklake on July 1, 2007 at 3:13 PM
Breaking on Fox via Sky:
Suspects in custody are not British nationals.
They are from a mix of ME countries.
1 key suspect on the loose.
TheBigOldDog on July 1, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Why isn’t the media screaming the nationalities of these clowns? The links posted here (CBS News in particular doesn’t mention a word) don’t give any indication. I’m just wondering that in today’s world we’re just supposed to take for granted they are of Arab descent. Or is it the work of the PC media.
Without sounding like a redneck, if your citizens are continually under attack by a certain group of people (muslim men between the ages of 18 and 40) then deport all men matching that description. If that causes terrorists to start using Muslim children with bombs then deport the kids. If they use Muslim women, deport them also. In other words as unfortunate or as insensitive as it seems let’s throw out the baby with the bath water. The Muslims who don’t strap on bombs support those that do.
I read an intersting perspective on our upcoming presidential election. The reason we haven’t been attacked since 9/11 is George Bush. The terrorists understand that he wants them eradicated and another attack while republicans are in the white house will most likley result in another republican administration in 08. So they lay low in hopes of a Hiilarycrat administration and then out go the lights.
Two amazing things (for me anyway) during the last year leave me speechless. Our Congress in both parties finally showed just how much disdain and contempt they have for the Americans they claim to represent. Openly subverting the overwhelming will of the people on the immigration bill. The second and the most egregious is in a two party system we have one party promoting the deaths of our soldiers to regain power. The only people who want the democrats back in power more than the democrats are our sworn enemies. WTF happened to this country?
repvoter on July 1, 2007 at 3:35 PM
Five) Why does the NYT not mention the religion of these South Asians it sees as victims ?
Six) why is the NYT such a sick joke ?
London Boy on July 1, 2007 at 3:06 PM
Simple, leftist agenda
PowWow on July 1, 2007 at 3:36 PM
They did not know until know for sure until now. See my post just above yours.
TheBigOldDog on July 1, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Yikes! let’s try that again. The media didn’t know their nationalities for sure until now. Sky via Fox just broke the story. Some, or all, of the 5 in custody are not British Nationals. They are from a mix of ME countries.
TheBigOldDog on July 1, 2007 at 3:40 PM
Why? The New York Times, more than any other major US news outlet, has for years, bent, twisted and hammered the news of the day to fit a leftist Democrat political agenda. The old joke about a future NYT headline, “World to end tomorrow, women and children hardest hit” has never been more appropriate.
Spiny Norman on July 1, 2007 at 3:50 PM
Thanks, just turned on FOX and they’re quoting Sky News. 5 in custody but not where they’re from. Only that they’re not from the UK. One suspect still being sought. Wouldn’t the public be more able to keep an eye out for this suspect if they knew what he looked like? What is the media afraid of? The message I’m hearing from the media is “these animals just tried to kill a bunch of women and kids but we don’t want to offend them with a stereotype”. Excuse me while I go and throw up!!!
repvoter on July 1, 2007 at 3:57 PM
You forgot this rhyme, as long as we’re at it….
ORANGE.
in other words…to DPS (democrat party sympathizers) (or dipsh*t?)
- NO you can NOT explain this one away, we won’t let you.
shooter on July 1, 2007 at 4:04 PM
I can’t take this anymore. FOX just had a guy on “Bill Durodie” a terror analyst from the UK. He had the balls to compare islamist radicals with social conservatives in this country. Can Allah get the video on this? You won’t believe what this guy said. My blood pressure can’t take the news anymore today, I’m going to mow the lawn.
repvoter on July 1, 2007 at 4:16 PM
“Suspects”
They arrested the disgusting lowlifes right after they got out of the car. They aren’t suspects, they’re terrorist criminals.
KSgop on July 1, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Before it’s too late (it’s getting there) : outlaw islam - it is not a religion, as should be clear by now; close all mosques - ’nuff said; deport, at the very least, the “tiny minority” who are known to be up to no good; profile; secure the frigging border!
If we insist on playing this ridiculous game of cat-and-mouse, eventually it’s gonna go real bad…
JWS on July 1, 2007 at 4:22 PM
Sky sources say most of the suspects are not British and at least one other suspect remains at large.
bnelson44 on July 1, 2007 at 4:25 PM
“In 1989 Rushdie went into hiding under the protection of the British police. A decade later, despite renewals of the fatwa and generous additions to the bounty, he decided he did not wish to live his life like that and emerged from seclusion to live a more or less normal life. He learned the biggest lesson of all: how easy it is to be forced into the shadows.
That’s what’s happening in the free world incrementally every day, with every itsy-bitsy nothing concession to groups who take offense at everything and demand the right to kill you for every offense. Across two decades, what happened to Rushdie has metastasized, in part because of the weak response in those first months. “Death is perhaps too easy”? Maybe. But slow societal suicide is easier still.”
- Mark Steyn
MB4 on July 1, 2007 at 5:30 PM
5 in custody? Five gallons of gas and a Bic lighter will fix their little red wagons.
csdeven on July 1, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Just saw on fox that 2 of the 5 arrested were Doctors practicing in the UK. So I guess its not only the poor and unprivileged that are susceptible to extremists?
Keli on July 1, 2007 at 6:16 PM
I wonder if the Jihadis are going to change to more conventional means of blowing stuff up. It looks like they really don’t know how to do these fuel air bombs. I would almost suspect that they start using the more successful method of ’splodeydoping.
They are kind of limited with regards to an ANFO type bomb, as fertilizer (last I heard) was tightly regulated over there.
They will adjust as the situation dictates. Seeing as how their recruits seem to be, well, really dumb, the move to the lowest common denominator will start.
Krydor on July 1, 2007 at 6:21 PM
Put a round in each leg then put out the fire so they could question him.
Wade on July 1, 2007 at 6:23 PM
The flame retardant fellow is in a world of hurt today. I heard the UK has a morphine shortage too.
sonnyspats1 on July 1, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Here, here, I couldn’t agree more! We need to stop playing the PC game! The hell with the ACLU, the “give appeasement a chance” crowd, and the liberal left PC crowd, send the murdering Islamo-fascists packing back to their sand box NOW!!
The bleeding heart liberals, the PC crowd, and the rest of their ilk are being used by our enemy (knowingly or through ignorance) to aid them in dividing us at a critical time when we need to unite! We need to ignore these groups and do whatever is needed to protect ourselves!
Myself and everyone included should of had enough of the crazy liberal left and their self-serving ideology of placing their very freedoms (as well as our freedoms) at risk because of their “PC at all costs” and “appeasement at all costs” and “no war at all costs” mentality and ideology!
Those with our eyes open and heads not buried in the sand (or up their A$$ like the liberal left) have been shown over, and over, and over again that appeasement and negotiation with these fanatical murderers is futile and only weakens us!!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY, TAKE OFF THE GLOVES AND GET RID OF THESE BUTCHERING RELIGIOUS ZEALOT ISLAMO FASCISTS NOW!!
Liberty or Death on July 1, 2007 at 6:32 PM
I wonder how many infidels died unexpectedly under the care of these “doctors?”
TheBigOldDog on July 1, 2007 at 6:49 PM
Once again, I am struck by the fact that the ‘experts’ that the news organizations put on the air or in print, seem to have little or no PRACTICAL, REAL WORLD experience in the things about which they are commenting.
It is like they read a crappy spy-adventure novel once and base all of their technical ‘knowledge’ on that, and all of their sociological / psychological ‘knowledge’ on some book from the Oprah book club.
Half of the HotAir commentators obviously are more knowledgeable in these somewhat esoteric areas than the news organizations ‘expert’ consultants are.
How much do those ‘experts’ get paid?
LegendHasIt on July 1, 2007 at 6:51 PM
Hey no pictures. We’ll have to behead you now.
Mojave Mark on July 1, 2007 at 6:54 PM
Nope, and it only goes to prove the true goals of the Islamo fascists and their use of terrorism never has been and never will be about being poor, underprivileged, etc, etc! That fallacy is a self-serving liberal left socialist delusional PC ideology designed to help them feel safe and cope with the stark reality of what is really going on and that we have no other choice but to wage an all out war against our enemy!
As much as the liberal left wants to deny it we are in the beginning stages of WWIII fighting for our very freedom against a fascist religious/political ideology! Our enemy is not waging a struggle against us for their freedom from poverty, hunger, being disadvantaged, or some perceived “wrong” done to them or oppression by the “imperialistic” west, their goal is to subjugate us to their Sharia religion/politics, they want us to capitulate to Sharia or die, nothing more and nothing less!
Liberty or Death on July 1, 2007 at 7:02 PM
The thing that amazes me is that not only do we allow them to walk among us, they openly state OUT LOUD what their plans are for us! WTF are we doing? And every other week good ‘ol George assures us that it’s a “religion of piece”. God help us…
JWS on July 1, 2007 at 7:08 PM
well, I’ve been officially schooled in the destructive force of these devices. I had initally assumed they would just be a big fire at worst. That bit about the larger blast zone is particularly upsetting.
I’ve read through all of the FEMA material on blast-resistant design, and quite a bit of the DOD stuff. It’s all based on TNT equivalents, and what will fit in a vehicle of a given size. If what they say in the article is true, and they manage to get the balance on these fuel-air bombs down, even the structures being designed for blast resistance won’t be as secure as we thought.
Plus, for ease of procurement, looks like they’re scary simple.
TexasDan on July 1, 2007 at 7:09 PM
I’ve wondered all along how it is that the Americans’ President, Vice President, Presidential Administration, Congress, and Supreme Court remain clustered together and, seemingly, so vulnerable. I’m sure their respective buildings are hardened against blasts, in much the way the Pentagon proved to be in 9/11. Nevertheless, as Machiavelli says, “there is always a way to go around men’s brains,” and the American rulers appear frighteningly vulnerable to losing “the state and the life,” “at a stroke.” This is another reason I wish for the refounding of a truly federal order. If one extinguishes “the Turk,” his empire is altogether conquered, but if one extinguishes “France,” one must still face “the barons.” In the United States, the “federal” government has already done much of a conqueror’s work for him by extinguishing the state governments, “the barons.” Now it seems the Americans are always just one wickedly clever attack away from unimaginable disorder.
Of course, these considerations would extend to monotheism and polytheism, as well, if God were vulnerable to powerful weapons and sneak attacks. It’s said that these don’t present a problem for God, but I sometimes wish He would tolerate a pantheon of minor gods, just in case.
Kralizec on July 1, 2007 at 7:14 PM
If they are not citizens, why even allow them a visa into the country? Oh, I’m sure the human rights nuts will howl, but screw ‘em.
Blake on July 1, 2007 at 7:21 PM
Middle-class people are a source of stability, unless they aren’t. It seems the truly poor are too busy eking out a living to become ideologues, or too lacking in means to be dangerous if they do somehow become radical. Before the poor can be dangerous on a large scale, they must first be organized and directed by someone else. The rich, on the other hand, seem to prefer to oppress by manipulating the regime, rather than by destroying it. For if they destroy the regime, they destroy many of the protections around their own life, liberty, and estate.
But the poor envy the rich, and in the absence of a middle class, the numbers of the aggrieved poor frighten the few rich. The rich control the poor by means of their wealth and their great share of power within the regime, but their oppression opens the way for one who will organize the poor and lead them against the rich.
On one hand, it seems a middle class will take the side of the poor against the oppressive power of the rich and will take the side of the rich against the envy of the poor. Moreover, the wealth of a large middle class balances the wealth of the few rich, just as its large size must proportionally reduce the frightful size of the class of poor people. On the other hand, it seems that the danger of a large middle class lies in the circumstance that many of its individual members will have enough leisure for some education and enough education to become radical. And in combination, those radicals often bring together enough numbers, technical ability, and wealth to become a great threat to order. Thus, a large middle class is a great source of stability, until it is not.
Kralizec on July 1, 2007 at 8:02 PM
I’ve improved that quotation by including clear attribution, because it’s at least interesting to know whether the one implying his group’s ignorance of the role of middle-class radicals in terrorism is a journalist or a governmental official. Now, if anyone knows the university at which Martin Brunt was “educated” and will post the information, he’ll give English parents an opportunity to consider whether their own son or daughter could be better educated elsewhere. At first, I wrote “sons and daughters,” but I corrected myself for greater demographic plausibility.
Kralizec on July 1, 2007 at 8:32 PM
Thank God, that it isn’t all that simple. And doing it in a
car’suv’ reduces the likelihood that it will do more than fizzle. Real world: A fuel air explosion is more likely to happen by accident than by design, even when the designer has some experience.At TERA / EMRTC back in the late 70s-early 80s one of the areas we worked on was seeing how easy ‘field expedient’ fuel air explosions were to initiate. Even though we had a lot of varied experience blowing stuff up, most of our experiments with easily available materials were ‘big disappointments’.
(On the other hand, once, I saw a 1000 sq ft. drywall and plywood mock-up building destroyed by a …. Well, I don’t want to say, but just about every house in the world has it in it at any given time (no- not ‘bug spray’ like you might have seen on Mythbusters)… But luckily for us non-jihadists, the other five times we tried the same thing, nothing of significance happened.)
LegendHasIt on July 1, 2007 at 8:36 PM
One problem with that theory: there’s no such thing as road flares in the UK.
jic on July 1, 2007 at 8:49 PM
From the link:
It has been obvious for a long time that “dissaffected young Muslims” was more a meme of the Left rather than the reality.
It is still being promoted as legit in this article. Bin Laden was a multi-millionaire, raised in supreme comfort from a society ruled by a hereditary monarchy. Bin Laden was dissaffected by what? He didn’t like democracy, that’s a fact. He wanted the Caliphate restored, with himself at the head. Not exactly a “man of the people.” Perhaps he was ticked that though wealthy by any standard in the world, his family is not in the royal line. If people are still talking Caliphate, they don’t want “rights” for the little guy. They want kings, pecking orders, nobility and SLAVES.
Why should anyone be surprised that even well-educated doctors are in this - it’s idealogy - it spans the classes because it appeals to a certain type of EGO, which can be found in individuals of any level of society. Rejection of it also spans the classes - all those united whose EGOs are REPELLED by the ideology, poor, middle or rich.
naliaka on July 1, 2007 at 8:57 PM
To save me from myself and protect me from the likes of AQ, I figure the government is going to start requiring a permit for my back yard BBQ shortly.
AZ_Redneck on July 1, 2007 at 9:11 PM
So … now do you tea-sipping, cucumber-sandwich chomping, anti-gun, anti-USA, anti-war, pseudo-intellectual, stiff upper lip, superior Brits FINALLY get IT??
They hate YOU too.
Better wise up and remember who your real friends are.
When your s**t starts getting blown up and your citizens are murdered en mass, you’ll start seeing things in black and white as we in the USA have since 9/11.
jcmorris on July 1, 2007 at 9:14 PM
That’s why God made Sportsmans Warehouse, Cabella’s, … or whatever is in your area. Time to head over and “stock up”.
AZ_Redneck on July 1, 2007 at 9:35 PM
“So … now do you tea-sipping, cucumber-sandwich chomping, anti-gun, anti-USA, anti-war, pseudo-intellectual, stiff upper lip, superior Brits FINALLY get IT??”
Hey, steady on , jc ! I’m a tea-sipping, cucumber-sandwich chomping Brit who isn’t anti-gun and loves the USA. …..And yes, we get it…our police and fire brigade had to hose out the blood and gore from the remains of 50 Brits blown to pieces by islamists in July 2005………Don’t be fooled by the liberals at Al-BBC , lots of Brits love America but it’s the anti-USA jerks who control the media and send out the anti-USA propaganda (in the same way as the Washington Post, CNN, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle etc. etc do in the States). I know plenty of decent Brits who would give ANYTHING to come and live in the USA but the American government has decided that we are the ONLY country in Europe not allowed to have a Green Card Lottery. A Palestinian has more chance of getting a Green Card than most Brits ! Why is that ? Our troops are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, our pilots flew with the USAF over Iraq for ten years and yet the best chance we have of coming to live in America is to fly to Mexico , sneak across the Rio Grande and have an anchor baby in Texas.
We’re all in this war against Islam together and thinking that most Brits are anti-US because of our politicians and mass-media isn’t going to help anyone.
God bless America, God Bless Britain.
London Boy on July 1, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Caption under third pic down:
I hope that’s Brit humor.
Ugly on July 1, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Could be: Courtesy of Monty Python:
Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!
LegendHasIt on July 1, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Thanks to this thread and one of the many links from the British media, I learned a new word today!:
Supergrass, meaning “informant”, as in “Al Qaeda Supergrass”.
I gather that this word is in common usage in the U.K., although I still can’t figure out where the word, which Wiki says originated in the 1930s, came from. Your ass is grass?
Whatever the etymology of Supergrassis,this “Babar” character, who is mentioned above, seems to be the Supergrass Superstar.
Buy Danish on July 1, 2007 at 10:07 PM
Hi, Buy Danish. The term “Grass” meaning “:informant” is British slang from the late 1930s when the Ink Spots song “Whispering Grass” became a huge hit in the UK. The lyrics go something like “Whispering Grass don’t tell the trees what the trees don’t have to know”. British criminals then started using “Grass” as code for “police informant.” The word “Supergrass” started getting used in the 1970s (when everything was “super” i.e. “Superstar”) to describe informants who were especially valuable to the Old Bill (police).
London Boy on July 1, 2007 at 10:15 PM
***********************************
PETITION TO BOMB MECCA
***********************************
If one religion cannot tolerate all others, then I defy my government and leaders to explain why other peaceful religions and their followers should tolerate it.
Therefore I, the undersigned, noting that after:
* Forty unsuccessful years of trying to broker peace in the Middle East and
* Numerous failed attempts to introduce democracy to the Middle East and raise the standard of living to modern, civilized levels and
* Considering that the Muslim people are apparently unwilling or incapable of controlling the radical segment of their populations and
* Considering that Muslims are intent on spreading their religion around the world and
* Considering that the values and precepts of Islam are fundamentally incompatible with 21st century, Judeo-Christian Western civilization, specifically in terms of misogyny and religious intolerance and
* Observing the evil disregard for and devaluation of human life by Muslim extremists, including their own children and
* Noting that one cannot reason with people who make decisions biased on faith alone (which at its heart is acceptance without debate or question) and
* Observing time and again that the only thing Muslims seem to respect is force and that the only thing they value is their religion
and where I have:
* Observed the increasingly intrusive and non-assimilating behavior by Muslim populations at home and abroad and
* Observed horrific attacks in many major Western countries such as Great Britain, Spain, and other places where Westerners travel and
* Mourned the deaths of thousands of my fellow Americans at the hands of Muslim extremists on 9/11
do bring forth this petition that my United States Government destroy the Holy City of Mecca in Saudi Arabia in such a manner and fashion that it cannot be rebuilt or re-inhabited.
Signed _____________________________
Date ______________
———————————————–
I wonder how many signatures we could get? ;-)
Give these Neolithic goat-humpers something to REALLY seethe about.
jcmorris on July 1, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Sign me up!!
Liberty or Death on July 1, 2007 at 10:25 PM
I Love Monty Python and the Holy Grail!
Speaking of the Crusades, I say if it’s a holy war the Islamo fascists want then lets get this party started and give them “The Crusades Part II!”
Hmmmm…maybe Bush was right to call the war in Afghanistan “Just Crusade!”
Liberty or Death on July 1, 2007 at 10:31 PM
Hey London Boy,
I want to see the Brits kicking butt and taking names like in the WWII Churchill days. Tony Blair may not have been the best PM (then again neither is George Bush the best President), but he did realize the danger that you Brits face and he tried to do something about it.
In the coming election cycles, our two countries are going to have to elect some leaders with testicular fortitude, and I’m really hoping that what you claim about most British is true… for both our sakes.
Alrighty then. Good to have you on-board and welcome to the team.
God Save The Queen
jcmorris on July 1, 2007 at 10:38 PM
London Boy,
Thanks for the origin of “Supergrass” and thanks for your 9:53. I was irritated by that cucumber sandwich post, and was glad to see your excellent response.
Buy Danish on July 1, 2007 at 10:38 PM
We have the answer to an age old question. One that predates the refrigerator light. It appears that there is someone left who would piss on a muslim terrorist if he was on fire.
pc on July 1, 2007 at 10:39 PM
let’s see:
Richard the Lionheart
the Knights Templar
Stephen DeCatur ….
Where is our Stephen Decatur?
If the West actually began behaving like - islamic terrorists - the Sharia-Nation would freak out. This crowd is used to a lay down and die dhimmitude from the ones they so despise. These jihadi-bubbas seem to spend their waking moments despising us while they feast on the fruits of our Western civilization that allows fruits to develop without beheading
comment - I think they bag their feet since ritual foot cleaning is a big part of being purified for prayer and/or ritualized mass murder. If the foot gets dirty they have to start over from step 1. Perhaps we need some pig manure pits in front of all public buildings. we could ask everyone to step barefoot into the pits before we allow them in. And eat some bacon too. Maybe put on a star of David badge. Kiss the Pope’s ring? Just a thought
entagor on July 1, 2007 at 10:43 PM
entagor,
Assuming that “everyone” means “everyone”, you first in stepping barefoot into pig manure pits.
Sheesh.
Buy Danish on July 1, 2007 at 10:58 PM
Well, perhaps it’s time for some levity from down-under.
Chopper explains what we all need to do against Islam.
Chopper explains how to get through post-9/11 airport security
Enjoy!
jcmorris on July 1, 2007 at 11:00 PM
Mohammed Asha
I have no idea if this is the same dude - but top right hand table- (warning pdf link)
Topsecretk9 on July 1, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Can someone Faux-toe Shop this picture so the guy is pissing on him?
I’d pay money for that…if I had some.
spike on July 1, 2007 at 11:20 PM
Here is a picture of the female “asian” arrested and appears to be wearing traditional scotland dress.
Topsecretk9 on July 1, 2007 at 11:33 PM
FYI — being friends means nada with jihadist wackos
Link
Topsecretk9 on July 1, 2007 at 11:40 PM
Comment pages: [1] 2 »