You’ve been there and done that, so to speak, you know these animals better than any American politician and better probably than anyone posting on this board. As for me, what ever recommendations you make, sound like the right course of action.

GTMO has become a very serious propaganda thorn in our side that we can well do without. Personally I think it is a damn shame that summary battlefield executions are off the table, but be that as it may we are left making the best we can out of a very bad situation.

The reasons you give for closing GTMO are I think excellent reasons to deprive those seeking to harm us of fuel. Fires only go out when they have no more fuel or oxygen to burn.

Deprive the enemy of a powerful propaganda tool and deprive the corrupt politicians willing to sacrifice America for power fuel and oxygen and perhaps we can eliminate one of the propaganda thorns in our side that is hampering our efforts to successfully prosecute this war.

I thank you for your courageous service to this great republic and for your insightful perspective on how this thorny issue should be resolved.

Stashiu3, good of you to drop by, and thanks for the clarifying comment. Maybe some of the more rabid will pull back from the edge.

Maybe.

Put them in the bellies of hungry, underprivileged sharks.

My conclusion has been stated several times, but not explicitly the reason for it. We should indeed interrogate, then execute, those things down there. The more cooperative they are, the nicer their life while there and the nicer the execution (there are many ways to die).

But the true justifying–in fact, compelling–factor is simple justice. Those things are not worthy of consideration as humans. They simply do not count.

Or maybe not.

Stashiu claims it is a “fallback position for opposition propaganda and misinformation.” Maybe the other side needs to do a better job of countering that.

Prisoner suicides and attacking guards happen in every prison. The guards need to not become complacent and stay on guard at all times. When they start trusting the prisoners and believing their stories is when they get into trouble.

But as Stashiu said, “if it wasn’t GTMO it would be some other manufactured excuse”, so why waste taxpayer money to close GTMO and set-up some other place.

But the true justifying–in fact, compelling–factor is simple justice. Those things are not worthy of consideration as humans. They simply do not count. They have made themselves enemies all good, and enemies of the country set to hold hegemony over the world. Simply put, they have set themselves to be deserving to die.

Their “human rights” are forsaken by their own choice, if they ever had them to start. Personally, I “care” more about the welfare of my new kitten than I ever will the welfare of those things or their families. In fact, I will care more about the welfare of the first mouse it kills than their welfare.

Pussyfooting loses wars.

Hey, no problem!

We can put them right next to Ted Kennedy’s home.

We can put them in Crawford, TX (maybe they can hook up with the Bush twins!)

Maybe they can work in Nancy Pelosi’s vinyards and move into that house next door.

San Francisco where Diane Feinstein hangs out!

Etc., etc., etc.

Stashiu3, good of you to drop by, and thanks for the clarifying comment. Maybe some of the more rabid will pull back from the edge.

As long as we do it like this:

Divide them up equally among the politicians (and journalists) that have been complaining about Guantanamo. Make them keep them in their homes, and be personally and financially responsible for their charges. Get them all teams of lawyers… and make their hosts pay for those lawyers.

And if their ‘guests’ do anything bad while in their custody, the hosts will get the same punishments that their guest terrorists get.

If these mollycoddling whiners really believe what they say, then they are hypocrites and worse if they don’t accept direct responsibility for their idiotic notions.

Stashiu has experience there, but to me, his are not good reasons. There is NO WHERE else to put them. We’ll just move the problem either closer to home or somewhere more dangerous, more vulnerable.
GITMO is perfect for these jihadists. Outside our borders, yet under US Military control.
shooter on June 30, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I would agree that from a containment perspective, GTMO is nearly ideal. When you factor in the political considerations, the balance is changed. How far it tips is open to debate, but that it tips at least a bit is pretty clear. If I were a politician instead of a soldier (albiet retired now), I would want it moved. Detainment facilities exist in Afghanistan and Iraq that could absorb them adequately. As a soldier who was there and knows the standards under which GTMO truly operates, I would want to keep it open. I just recognize that my priorities are different than those of an elected official.

As a functioning member of a free and democratic society I would never condone harming them (or allowing them to come to harm through deliberate inaction) once they are captured and detained, unless they receive some type of due process. Either restore the practice of summary execution on the battlefield (unlikely for political reasons), or give them a trial through the military system. But even talking about raping or murdering them is beneath us as a nation. We’re better than that.

What other base do we have that could afford the security that Gitmo has?

Wake Island

However, most of the guys at GTMO do not fall into this category. They have not committed any crime in the US, they are not US citizens, the American legal system has no authority to prosecute them. What would be the use in bringing them to the US? These are war criminals caught in the theater or war in another country – not criminals we can prosecute in our civilian legal system.

It would set a new dangerous precedent if these guys were given the rights of American citizens and tried in the US. There’s no reason why they cannot be tried by a military court just like our own soldiers. You know, other than trying to make political hay out of the issue by pretending these guys have habeas corpus rights and the whole package.

Hey, if checking a box is good enough for undocumented Americans it’s good enough for the terrorists

“Bubba pinned me down and told me. “You might get 72 virgins in heaven but until then your arse is mine !”

Your elected United States government representatives hard at work, putting justice and truth ahead of partisan positioning… but don’t question their patriotism!

Why is Jorge Boosh even considering closing it down? Is he still trying for a positive legacy? His craptastic Shamnesty overture sunk like a lead weight. I question his timing. Was closing Gitmo a back-up plan of sorts? Is he still trying to do something “popular” for the benefit of the liberal thumb suckers? I disagree with the belief that the Gitmo facility should be closed, for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, there has been many detainees already released from Gitmo only to resurface in Afghanistan killing and kidnapping again. Move them to American soil, and it will be a political and judicial nightmare with the end result being huge numbers being released only to return to terrorism. Who knows how many more innocent people will die once they return to their terrorist enclaves. So much for the “global war on terror”.

Closing the Gitmo facility is NOT the right thing to do for many different reasons. That was obvious enough years ago.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/wm763.cfm

This is a good read too. Short and to the point: http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200506140758.asp

SKY was interviewing an airport employee who said he saw the terrorists attacking police and screaming “ALLAH!” Damn those Amish! Are we suppossed to let these animals roam free?

Just load ‘em all up into the oldest Air Force C-130 we have, and half way across the Atlantic have a “mechanical problem”. The Crew bails out and gets picked up by the Navy. The Navy gets to test fire one of their shiney new anti-missile missiles. End of story.