“Islamic extremists”: Accomplice of AQ henchman Barot suspected in car bomb, tried to detonate twice; Update: Three men from Birmingham area sought; Update: Gov’t warned nightclubs about terror a few weeks ago

posted at 3:27 pm on June 29, 2007 by Allahpundit

We’ve got a news burst at 3:10 so it’s time for a new thread. First, the car in Park Lane wasn’t found there, it was found in Trafalgar Square and towed for being illegally parked.

At the Park Lane garage, workers called authorities when they became suspicious after news of the first incident, because the car smelled of gas.

Police and security sources say the car was found to contain components very similar to the first car — definitely fuel, and possibly much more.

They said the car is of grave concern, and could potentially be a second car bomb.

A senior U.S. official with knowledge of the London investigation told CNN the car was linked to the vehicle outside the club, and that some materials found inside the car were very similar to explosive materials found in the car near Piccadilly Circus.

Sounds like the car on Fleet Street was a false alarm so there are only two bombs found thus far. Meanwhile, at the Blotter, sources are telling Brian Ross that this is indeed a jihadist plot. And they’ve got a hot lead. Surprise:

British police have a “crystal clear” picture of the man who drove the bomb-rigged silver Mercedes outside a London nightclub, and officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com he bears “a close resemblance” to a man arrested by police in connection with another bomb plot but released for lack of evidence.

Officials say the suspect had been taken into custody in connection with the case of al Qaeda operative Dhiren Barot, who was convicted of orchestrating a vehicle bomb plot involving targets in London, New York, Newark, N.J. and Washington, D.C.

Officials say a surveillance camera caught the suspect “staggering from the Mercedes” shortly after parking it outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub.

U.S. and British law enforcement officials tell ABC News it is increasingly clear Friday’s bomb plot in London involves multliple vehicles, and is described by a senior official as a “terror plot involving lslamic extremists.”

Needless to say, it’s anything but surprising to find a Barot connection here. FYI, according to Ross, two cell phones were used as detonators in the first car. Both numbers had been called — twice.

Update: The second car bomb in Park Lane is also a Mercedes. The jihad don’t come cheap, baby.

Update: “How many more?” wonders the Mail, which now claims (without saying how it knows) that the suspect who drove the first car bomb “calmly parked the vehicle and walked away.”

Update: NBC gets a scoop of its own — they’re looking for three men from in or around Birmingham. Anything noteworthy about Birmingham? Yup.

That’s not the only scoop in the NBC report, either. Remember the update in the last post about Danger Room suspecting a crude fuel-air bomb here? Well:

The car was jammed with gasoline and 18 to 20 boxes of roofing nails. Six to eight tanks of propane, intended to mix with the gasoline in a mist to make a fuel-air explosion, were inside and around the car, counterterrorism officials told NBC News…

Officials told NBC that the car was filled with at least 250 pounds of fuel, creating a highly explosive bomb of the type that had been seen in Iraq but not, until now, in the West.

Islamist terrorist suspects convicted in recent London cases have spoken of moving up to more deadly fuel-air explosives, authorities said.

Update: The flaw in the plan? According to ABC, the fuel-air mixture was incorrect.

Update: The second car was packed with nails, too.

Update: It’s almost certainly just a coincidence, but this‘ll be good for some primo nutroots conspiracizing tomorrow morning. A nugget within reveals what the plotters might have intended here. I didn’t realize the two cars were so near each other:

One car, a pale green Mercedes, had been left outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in Haymarket. A second, a blue Mercedes, was left a few hundred yards away in Cockspur Street, a busy thoroughfare close to Trafalgar Square. Both contained fuel, gas canisters and nails, but both car bombs failed to detonate. Had either device gone off it would have generated a huge fireball and a shock wave spreading over 400 yards in all directions. If, as suspected, one had been primed to detonate before the other, people fleeing the first blast would have been caught directly in the line of fire of second.


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This guy sounds like the Mo Howard of terrorists.

Mindcrime on June 29, 2007 at 3:29 PM

When people are trying to do something you don’t want done imcompetence is a good thing.

But enough about immigration.

TunaTalon on June 29, 2007 at 3:34 PM

You mean it wasn’t the IRA? How could that be?!

/sarc

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 3:41 PM

The jihad don’t come cheap, baby.

Hitler wouldn’t be seen in anything but.

Editor on June 29, 2007 at 3:41 PM

… he bears “a close resemblance” to a man arrested by police in connection with another bomb plot but released for lack of evidence.

It’s difficult to imagine a good outcome for us in this war, as we don’t seem to take the threat very seriously…

Jaibones on June 29, 2007 at 3:41 PM

Ain’t tolerance wonderful?

thirteen28 on June 29, 2007 at 3:43 PM

It’s difficult to imagine a good outcome for us in this war, as we don’t seem to take the threat very seriously…

One of the first things I heard when this came up on the news was the GB authorities telling people “not to jump to conclusions.” So of course my immediate thought was, “Those damn Irish.”

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Anybody taking odds on a 3rd car?

This is some bad PR for Mercedes, huh. “Fine German engineering makes for the highest quality jihadist shrapnel.”

Thomas the Wraith on June 29, 2007 at 3:45 PM

Guess he didn’t have enough reception bars. It’s darn near impossible to get a decent call these days.

/sarc

df4jc on June 29, 2007 at 3:46 PM

You mean it wasn’t the IRA? How could that be?

Nope. Irish bombs explode.

HerrMorgenholz on June 29, 2007 at 3:50 PM

hmmm are they torturing him in order to extract information about that possible 3rd, 4th, 5th car yet? Many lives could depend upon that.

Zetterson on June 29, 2007 at 3:57 PM

Cars … filled with gas??? My god, these guys are bastards.

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:04 PM

Will the Mercedes become the yellow Ryder truck of GB?

Here’s a slightly related story. Several years ago, after the Oklahoma City bombing, the Seattle Police discovered a yellow Ryder truck parked in front of the Federal Building early one morning. Of course, the area was cordoned off until they could figure out what to do, causing a big morning commute problem. Turned out to be a false alarm. The punch line is that some guy approached the police line to see what was going on and was told there was a possible bomb threat. The guy asked if it was alright if he moved is truck away from the front of the building. He stopped overnight, didn’t realize where he was parking, and unwittingly caused the whole uproar.

Watch the police in London starting to eye Mercedeses (Mercedi?) with a very careful eye, especially if they are driven or parked by middle eastern men.

Mallard T. Drake on June 29, 2007 at 4:05 PM

And we think we have an immigration problem.

Kini on June 29, 2007 at 4:06 PM

But I thought Iraq wasn’t part of the war on terror?

Seriously, why aren’t the Brits freaking out? How can they be so bloody complacent about this?

Thomas the Wraith on June 29, 2007 at 4:07 PM

Let’s not jump to conclusions and start throwing around words like “jihadist” and “Islamic” and “terror plot.”

“…described by a senior official as a “terror plot involving lslamic extremists.” Can they even say that? How is the BBC reporting this without using any banned words?

saint kansas on June 29, 2007 at 4:08 PM

Lefty reaction?

I question the timing! Of what, I don’t know, but this is obviously bullsh*t!

Good Lt on June 29, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Good thing they blew their detonator design budget on the cars. If you’re going to get stuck with terrorists, might as well be ones who can’t prioritize.

Blacklake on June 29, 2007 at 4:10 PM

Thomas the Wraith on June 29, 2007 at 4:07 PM

I was in London about a month after the 7/7 bombings and it seemed like business as normal for them. I even rode the tube and I didn’t see too many bobbies around. I don’t remember how long it took us to stop reeling from 9/11, and granted that was a much bigger attack, but since they have the bigger Muslim population, shouldn’t there have been something in the air even a month after?

Oh, damn, now someone’s going to call me a racist cuz I said the M word.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:13 PM

Seriously, why aren’t the Brits freaking out? How can they be so bloody complacent about this?

I think it’s to the Brits’ credit that they aren’t wetting the bed and hiding under tables. The main point of terrorism isn’t to kill 30 people in a market, its to create terror.

The American media, with their red alert panic filled newscasts, just feed into. If our media giants didn’t act as terrorists’ propaganda arms, then Jihadis would have less incentive to blow themselves or their nice cars up.

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:14 PM

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Bingo.

Nonfactor on June 29, 2007 at 4:15 PM

But the British are maintaining a traditional Brit stiff upper lip in face of a possible disaster…”oh, well, it happens”. What, oh what will it take?

Entelechy on June 29, 2007 at 4:16 PM

If our media giants didn’t act as terrorists’ propaganda arms, then Jihadis would have less incentive to blow themselves or their nice cars up.

You think? A one-line item on page 30, “500 people were killed in a nightclub bombing in the West End today,” and everything’s copacetic?

I’m going to see if I can take my vacation on the planet you live on this year.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2007 at 4:18 PM

At least this guy doesn’t look like an Arab. For a minute, I thought I was going to have to, once again, stoop to unfair stereotyping. Yup, this guy looks like he’s straight out of a Presbyterian church. Whew!

OhEssYouCowboys on June 29, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Just who sponsors Al Qaeda’s Mercedes, and other similar fuel-air explosive laden Mercedes popping up across London, is unclear at this time.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:20 PM

Seriously, why aren’t the Brits freaking out? How can they be so bloody complacent about this?

Hey, you get used to it after a while. Just like we will after it’s happened here a few times. It’s what happens when your political leadership refuses to even countenance doing what’s necessary to actually, y’know, confront and solve the friggin’ problem for real.

Mike H on June 29, 2007 at 4:21 PM

Update: The flaw in the plan? According to ABC, the fuel-air mixture was incorrect.

Does that mean someone didn’t study up on their chemistry? To think the Middle East was where intellectualism was saved from extinction during the Dark Ages.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:23 PM

“Islamic extremists”, really? I figured it was just some “disenfranchised Asian youths”.

CP on June 29, 2007 at 4:24 PM

You think? A one-line item on page 30, “500 people were killed in a nightclub bombing in the West End today,” and everything’s copacetic?

There’s a big difference between a successful bomb that kills 500 people in a nightclub, and these dunderhead terrorist wanna bes who can’t mix a bomb correctly.

The British know the difference, and that’s why they’re going about their business today like nothing really happened. Because nothing really did happen.

If you’re coming on vacation with me, ironically enough I’m flying to London next weekend on business. You’re welcome to join… I owe you a free guiness extra cold for opening comment registration oh so briefly ;)

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:24 PM

“Islamic extremists”, really? I figured it was just some “disenfranchised Asian youths”.

CP on June 29, 2007 at 4:24 PM

That only happens France.

Mindcrime on June 29, 2007 at 4:24 PM

Just who sponsors Al Qaeda’s Mercedes, and other similar fuel-air explosive laden Mercedes popping up across London, is unclear at this time.

HEH – Slug.

Topsecretk9 on June 29, 2007 at 4:27 PM

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:20 PM

If it’s not the IRA, I’m going to guess the Saudis.

I found this via Google. It’s from 2001, but I’m betting it’s worse now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1590947.stm

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Officials told NBC that the car was filled with at least 250 pounds of fuel, creating a highly explosive bomb of the type that had been seen in Iraq but not, until now, in the West.

I doubt the Hot Air audience needs me to tell them this, but I’ve been saying this for a while…. buckle up. I’m shocked that we haven’t had car bombs and suicide bombs yet in this country, and it can only be a matter of time. Keep your eyes and ears open and racial/religious profile like your life depends on it (because it does), because our country has become too PC to do it for us.

RightWinged on June 29, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Bet it was supposed to be a two part explosion…

first bomb goes… Police and fire respond… then second bomb to get them…

Been done in Israel for years now…

Romeo13 on June 29, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Let’s look at failed terror attacks since 7/7.

Today: two car bombs (and counting)
Feb 2007: Attempt to kidnap and behead a UK soldier.
August 2006: Attempt to explode multiple airlines.
Police raided a mosque filled with weapons and components.
7/28/05: Two foiled suicide bombers two weeks after.

I’m sure I left out some. Lil’ help?

There’s a time for a stiff upper lip and there’s a time for massive puplic pressure on the government to work harder at this. They can’t rely on luck forever.

Thomas the Wraith on June 29, 2007 at 4:30 PM

There’s a big difference between a successful bomb that kills 500 people in a nightclub, and these dunderhead terrorist wanna bes who can’t mix a bomb correctly.

I think the only difference is called -learning from mistakes. This is a sort of a dumb sentiment, no offense.

Topsecretk9 on June 29, 2007 at 4:30 PM

“Islamic extremists”: Accomplice of AQ henchman Barot suspected in car bomb, tried to detonate twice; Update: Three men from Birmingham area sought

Am I the only one who doesn’t find Borat funny? I really don’t get these performance art types.

Shtetl G on June 29, 2007 at 4:30 PM

I think the only difference is called -learning from mistakes.

Some would suggest that the main difference is that 500 people die in one scenario, and nobody dies in the other scenario.

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:32 PM

I think it’s to the Brits’ credit that they aren’t wetting the bed and hiding under tables.

It would be much more to their credit if they were calmly taking names and kicking @@S.

TexasDan on June 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Officials say the suspect had been taken into custody in connection with the case of al Qaeda operative Dhiren Barot, who was convicted of orchestrating a vehicle bomb plot involving targets in London, New York, Newark, N.J. and Washington, D.C.

I’m effing surrounded. I worked in NY, then 9/11 hit and took down one of our 2 main offices, so we move to NJ and now they target Newark which is 1 town over from where I work.

Dash on June 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM

where’stherum @ 4:29–

It was a rhetorical question and an attempt at a little gallows humor, one which fell way short of Shtetl G’s 4:30.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM

It would be much more to their credit if they were calmly taking names and kicking @@S.

TexasDan on June 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Because real life is so much like an 80′s action show.

Nonfactor on June 29, 2007 at 4:36 PM

Some would suggest that the main difference is that 500 people die in one scenario, and nobody dies in the other scenario.

Get it right next time? Anyways, I doubt the 3000 who died on 9-11 or in any myriad of successful attacks considered the attackers silly little terror dunderheads.

Topsecretk9 on June 29, 2007 at 4:36 PM

Thank you, Nonfactor, for reminding us that we must never publicly express any martial spirit.

God, you’re such a freaking hall monitor.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:40 PM

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:34 PM

Oh, I know. Thus my insistence that it was the IRA. The money laundering thing, it was just more evidence of Britain’s big problems.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:41 PM

God, you’re such a freaking hall monitor.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:40 PM

“hall monitor” shouldn’t be italicized.

Nonfactor on June 29, 2007 at 4:45 PM

The scary thing about their ways of attack is that it is so simple. We think they’re going to hit us with nukes or something more complex and never think they’re going to hit us with something as simple as planes into a building.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:45 PM

There’s a big difference between a successful bomb that kills 500 people in a nightclub, and these dunderhead terrorist wanna bes who can’t mix a bomb correctly.

The British know the difference, and that’s why they’re going about their business today like nothing really happened. Because nothing really did happen.

I hear this all the time from the left now, most recently with the JFK plot and Fort Dix but stretching back at least a year or so. They’re “wannabes.” All of these guys who want to kill people? Just hacks and morons who are playing cowboys and Indians. Meanwhile, in this very post, we’ve got a report of these wannabe morons being linked to an Al Qaeda capo who himself was dispatched by Khaled Sheikh Mohammed to attack Britain and they’re using a sophisticated method of explosives which, luckily, they couldn’t quite bring off. And you shrug and laugh. Hey, no one died, right? If the FBI had had its head just a smidgen out of its ass before 9/11, they would have rolled that plot up too. And what would you and Nonfactor have said if they did? “Muslim fanatics flying airplanes into the World Trade Center? Ha! Call Tom Clancy and Jerry Bruckheimer!”

You’re a tool. I just hope the three wannabe morons who are on the lam don’t have automatic weapons stashed away somewhere, lest they walk into a crowd and cut down a few dozen people. Fortunately, it takes a super-keen terrorist mastermind with advanced Iranian training to think up a plot like that. Way beyond the ken of wannabe morons.

Allahpundit on June 29, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Wherestherum said:
“difficult to imagine a good outcome for us in this war, as we don’t seem to take the threat very seriously…
One of the first things I heard when this came up on the news was the GB authorities telling people “not to jump to conclusions.” So of course my immediate thought was, “Those damn Irish.”

I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic, but it actually is kind of unlike the IRA… most (if not all) of their bombs were placed at military targets (or at least pubs, etc. where primarlity British military were known to hang out)

There are lots of people who love to argue that the IRA are (were?) the same thing as the Islam-fascists…
personally i disagree… for lots of reasons…

max1 on June 29, 2007 at 4:46 PM

Too bad they don’t make those Benz’s like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1irD0c9K34

AZ_Mike on June 29, 2007 at 4:47 PM

Yeah, that’s right. Let’s tell the terrorists they made the bomb wrong so they can get it right next time.

BTW, anyone know what the specifics of the next military operations in Iraq will be?

csdeven on June 29, 2007 at 4:49 PM

maybe the a-holes thought the Benz logo was the insignia for religion of peace…

max1 on June 29, 2007 at 4:51 PM

Thomas the Wraith on June 29, 2007 at 3:45 PM

This is some bad PR for Mercedes, huh. “Fine German engineering makes for the highest quality jihadist shrapnel.”

Hmmm, Finest Nazi..er German engineering on the planet being used to kill Jews…Brit’s……..Nope on second thought nothing to see here…move along….

doriangrey on June 29, 2007 at 4:53 PM

My young brother-in-law just arrived in London two days ago for his senior trip – your basic European tour.

I have no doubt that he was hitting the clubs in Piccadilly Circus right about when this was happening.

If these Moronic Mad Muslims weren’t such complete and total losers that they can’t manage what redneck Tim McVeigh figured it out … its perfectly possible I’d be heading to a funeral now and watching a family I care about crumble.

Why mention it? No reason. It’s not like anybody is special just because terrorism comes closer than usual to hitting home, to targeting you directly.

But it pisses me off beyond words. It reminds me of what we should all already know – that it could be any of us, at any time. It could be our friends, our family.

This is what liberals have forgotten. That it’s their children in the cross-hairs. This time my wife’s brother. Maybe next time, your son or daughter.

Meanwhile, we’ve done nothing except watch Congress fumble amusingly over immigration, while Paris Hilton dominates the airwaves …

Are we ever going to learn?

Professor Blather on June 29, 2007 at 4:55 PM

“I’m shocked that we haven’t had car bombs and suicide bombs yet in this country, and it can only be a matter of time.”

Well, they had a plan in place to put a bomb on the New York subway and Zawahiri scrubbed it. Here’s a thought: Maybe they have not bombed us because after Sep 11 we took down their whole base of operations, Afghanistan. If you remember, Osama and Zawahiri thought we’d do the same old, same old that we did under Clinton: Nothing. Maybe lob some bombs around for show. Our reaction to Sep 11 didn’t turn out weak like they hoped.

Al Qaeda lost Afghanistan, for which they had paid good money. Most of their leadership is dead or captured and their terrorist band scattered to the wind. Their sources of cash have been attacked and dried up. Bin Laden and Zawahiri are hiding in caves, not falcon hunting with Gulf sheikhs like the old days. Maybe, just maybe, despite all their bluster, they don’t want the fury of the US directed at them so intensely again. After all, another Sep 11 and nothing would hold America back from Waziristan, if we aren’t in there already. Maybe they’d like some breathing room from the Americans.

Maybe the Brits seem like more unthreatening targets who are much less likely to strike back in any meaningful way.

Look at Al Qaeda’s history and the history of Zawahiri and Bin Laden. They have run from serious opposition and have been drawn to weak opposition. Zawahiri ran from Egypt when the government cracked down too hard on his Muslim Brotherhood. He tried to hook up with the Chechnyans, but the Russians had the place locked down too tight. So he headed back to the void of Afghanistan.

He convinced Bin Laden that America was a paper tiger after we fled Beirut after the barracks bombing and Somalia after we got a bloody nose. They believed a few hard blows would shatter the Great Satan. Our ferocious reaction to Sep 11 proved that wrong. Now Zawahiri and Bin Laden are looking for easier targets, like twentysomething British chicks having a drink in a posh club on ladies night. The jihadists think that the Brits will treat it as a crime, not an act of war, like they did the Tube Bombings, which limits the blowback on the sources of the terror, like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

In other words, they think they can get away with butchering a thousand Brits. They know if they butcher another thousand Americans that Bush will hammer them something fierce with the wrath of America.

Tantor on June 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM

max1 on June 29, 2007 at 4:46 PM

I was definitely being sarcastic. I was making fun of the fact that we’re not to automatically assume that Islamo-fascists are behind this. Believe me, I’m a big Irish-phile. The IRA has been known to bomb schools, though. There was an article in the LAT about that years ago. However, the IRA, as far as I know, has stood down since 9/11. The difference between Western terrorism and Middle Eastern terrorism is that their targets are generally related to the government/military and not civilian places like clubs and malls.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Here was my whole point re: propaganda from the media.

Imagine if this exact same failed plot had happened simultaneously in both London and any US city. In London, we already know what happened: you linked a Times story in the other HA thread… Londoners going about their day, shrugging their shoulders, etc.

If this same plot (two car bombs) occurred in the US in some major city, and was still foiled, what would have happened? Would we have gone about our day? No, we’d be on full red alert, schools would close, flights might be grounded, congresscritters would be sent fleeing from the capitol building, etc etc. This is pretty easy to imagine, I think everyone can agree.

Now, terrorists will sit back and watch both scenarios. Which of those two countries would they more likely to attack in the future?

We play into the terrorists’ hands by panicking needlessly. Is this a time to step up security measures? Absolutely. Is it a time to completely disrupt our way of life, avoid all nightclubs, and eye every mercedes on the street with suspicion? Absolutely not. By doing so, by altering our own lives, we’ve handed the terrorists their victory.

They don’t need to kill us to destroy America as we know it. When we cower in fear of going outside because of overhyped media reports, we’ve given up the fight already. Hence, I think the media should calm down, and lets emulate the Brits.

(Apologies for such a long winded, serious post on a Friday.)

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM

I just hope the three wannabe morons who are on the lam don’t have automatic weapons stashed away somewhere, lest they walk into a crowd and cut down a few dozen people. Fortunately, it takes a super-keen terrorist mastermind with advanced Iranian training to think up a plot like that. Way beyond the ken of wannabe morons.

Aww, AP, you know you’re just bitter because if that does happen, tools like these will be the first ones screaming about how the government failed to properly protect them. Hey, maybe then we can have ourselves another blue-ribbon commission! Yippeeee!

Mike H on June 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM

Update: The second car bomb in Park Lane is also a Mercedes. The jihad don’t come cheap, baby.

Zionist LIES LIES ! We all know jihad is caused by poverty its on John Edwards bumper sticker !

/moonbat

William Amos on June 29, 2007 at 4:56 PM

AP, the tools tend to forget, conveniently, that there was a second round of attempted train bombings right after the 7-7 attacks. Like these guys today, they didn’t have their explosives mixed quite right. But this bunch obviously posed no threat and were incompetent.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 4:57 PM

They know if they butcher another thousand Americans that Bush will hammer them something fierce with the wrath of America.

Do we even have a fierce wrath anymore? Nearly 6 years after 9/11 and most people don’t even think about Afghanistan anymore.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 4:59 PM

… he bears “a close resemblance” to a man arrested by police in connection with another bomb plot but released for lack of evidence

Ahhh lack of evidence…looks like the liberty/safety balance even in jolly old surveila-state britain needs a good reassessment.

Heres to the PATRIOT ACT (the reason we haven’t had scares liek that since) as long as its not used on kids smokin the reefer

ernesto on June 29, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Do not discount the guys that did this as stupid. When these cells are organized they tend to make mistakes- initially.

Never assume that they are not motivated, adaptable and always learning.

If they get a chance to mature in their tactics or refine their knowledge they WILL end up killing a lot of innocents. The Brits better be turning over every stone they find to get at these pigs.

Trooper on June 29, 2007 at 4:59 PM

Dunderheads, idiots, whatever you want to call them if you let them out of jail enough times they’re going to get lucky at some point.

There’s somewhere around 1.5 million Muslims in the UK and 40% sympathize with the terrorists. That means there are 600,000 people in the UK that would not have reported the smell of gasoline coming from a Mercedes.

repvoter on June 29, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Tantor

If you remember, Osama and Zawahiri thought we’d do the same old, same old that we did under Clinton: Nothing. Maybe lob some bombs around for show.

Right on.

Topsecretk9 on June 29, 2007 at 5:00 PM

This just in, the suspects are muslim, and most likely arab. Aged 16 – 50?

Scotland Yard should have me investigate this from california, it’s like I’m psychic or something!

JBinCA on June 29, 2007 at 5:00 PM

There’s a big difference between a successful bomb that kills 500 people in a nightclub, and these dunderhead terrorist wanna bes who can’t mix a bomb correctly.

I suppose that that type of logic also applies to the earlier, unsuccessful attempt to bring the Towers down. Hell, the damned, misfits didn’t get it done. Stupid, terrorist wannabes.

OhEssYouCowboys on June 29, 2007 at 5:02 PM

Meanwhile, in this very post, we’ve got a report of these wannabe morons being linked to an Al Qaeda capo who himself was dispatched by Khaled Sheikh Mohammed to attack Britain and they’re using a sophisticated method of explosives which, luckily, they couldn’t quite bring off.

AP,

Well, they couldn’t quite pull it off because they were wannabes. It’s a circular argument. You’d think that they would have sent a decent bomb-maker.

Krydor on June 29, 2007 at 5:02 PM

CNN.com said:

Brown, whose predecessor Tony Blair’s support of the Iraq war provoked anger among Islamic militants, said Britain faced “a serious and continuous threat” and the public needs to be alert at all times.

Well, there it is then. Blair made them angry, so of course they’re going to do something rash. But don’t worry, it’s just an attempt at a little local retribution, not a global war or anything. Just a reminder to elect the right sort of politician to office (those who will not anger the Islamic millitants) and it’s all good.

shuzilla on June 29, 2007 at 5:02 PM

I’m waiting for the Muslim terrorists’ neighbors in Birmingham to deny their involvement, for their mullahs to vouch for them as good Muslims, for their whole neighborhood to say no, we didn’t see nuttin’.

Don’t we all know how this script will proceed? The bombers’ wives will picket the court to say the accusations against their husbands are all lies. The Muslim mullahs will say they were framed. A year from now a poll of the Muslim community in Britain will show that 70% believe Mossad rigged the car bombs.

Tantor on June 29, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Tantor on June 29, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Absolutely right,

And instead of kicking some @sses the Brits will become cowed because they are afraid of causing offense or looking “unenlightened”. Sad.

Trooper on June 29, 2007 at 5:08 PM

My dad pointed out to me that it was ironic they would deny the Holocaust happened and yet the Final Solution is what they’re attempting to carrying out. Albeit, their version is messier and less organized, but it’s basically the same thing. And the Islamo-fascists are way nuttier than the Nazis ever where, imo.

wherestherum on June 29, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Tantor–

Yep, that’s pretty much the script.

see-dubya on June 29, 2007 at 5:10 PM

Trooper on June 29, 2007 at 5:08 PM

Has to be a thin red line somewhere.

Spirit of 1776 on June 29, 2007 at 5:11 PM

There’s a big difference between a successful bomb that kills 500 people in a nightclub, and these dunderhead terrorist wanna bes who can’t mix a bomb correctly.

The first time the jihadis tried to sink a US warship in the port of Aden, Yemen, their rubber boat was overloaded and swamped. When they drug it in to shore and left to walk back to their car, it was looted by Yemeni fishermen. So the USS The Sullivans escaped the fate of the USS Cole, which was taken down on the next try by the dunderhead terrorists who could not manage a rubber boat the first time.

Most of Al Qaeda’s attacks failed because the terrorists were dopey pinheads who didn’t know how to manage anything. Successful terrorist attacks are a numbers game. If you think killing a bunch of people is the way to propagate your religion, you’re probably not a very bright guy.

Tantor on June 29, 2007 at 5:15 PM

Romeo13 on June 29, 2007 at 4:29 PM

Bingo.

Spirit of 1776 on June 29, 2007 at 5:15 PM

I think the only difference is called -learning from mistakes.
Some would suggest that the main difference is that 500 people die in one scenario, and nobody dies in the other scenario.

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:32 PM

e-pirate, I disagree. When a bomb goes off that kills 500 people, rational people tend to ask such questions as “how did this happen?” or “who did this?” or “why did person x do this?” or “how was this not stopped?”

Based on the typical questions asked, it would appear that the process behind an attack is very important to know for obvious reasons. What we had today (last night) in London was the process behind an attack that everybody would be asking questions about today had the bombs not been duds.

The reason Brits and us should still be taking failed attacks like this seriously is because the common questions following attacks still apply here and the problems are not solved. “Who did this?” We don’t know if we have all the perpetrators yet? “Why did person x do this?” Thats question requires an answer that far too few are willing to admit to and as a result refuse to face the reality that Islam encorages, breeds and sanctions violence. “How was this not stopped/how did this happen?” We did not stop this. The government did not stop this. We were helpless and vulnerable to this attack. That should be cause for alarm. We are sitting on top of a hilltop under a tree in a lightning storm. We might want to head for lower ground soon.

Zetterson on June 29, 2007 at 5:16 PM

According to ABC, the fuel-air mixture was incorrect.

How much you wanna bet that on the Evening News ABC explains the correct proportion so Al Qaeda can get it right next time?

ahem on June 29, 2007 at 5:17 PM

They want us to think they’re inept. Hell is coming.

dingbat on June 29, 2007 at 5:17 PM

Sort of makes one want to re-visit the concept of internment camps.

jeanie on June 29, 2007 at 5:21 PM

e-pirate on June 29, 2007 at 4:14 PM

I don’t flatter myself as knowing what the IslamoNazis are actually thinking when they blow up civilians; I just try to rely on what they actually say. And they say that they want to kill all of the infidels.

So, you and your douchebag friend nonfactor go ahead and dream your dreams of omniscience and tell us that we should really just ignore them, but if it’s ok I’ll keep planning on killing them first whenever possible.

Jaibones on June 29, 2007 at 5:21 PM

My dad pointed out to me that it was ironic they would deny the Holocaust happened and yet the Final Solution is what they’re attempting to carrying out. Albeit, their version is messier and less organized, but it’s basically the same thing. And the Islamo-fascists are way nuttier than the Nazis ever where, imo.

It is only inconsistent if you are rational. In Islam and in Arab culture it is perfectly OK to say and believe two completely opposite and mutually exclusive things. The Allah of Islam is not logical like the Christian God, who operates the universe like a giant clockwork. Allah can change his mind on a whim and it is your duty as a Muslim to submit to His will. That’s why they had to develop the rule of abrogation to sort out all the contradictory verses in the Koran. Whatever Allah said last abrogates what he said earlier.

It’s perfectly OK in Arab culture to lie to the infidels that the Holocaust never happenned in order to save face while at the same time celebrating it in your mosque.

Tantor on June 29, 2007 at 5:21 PM

“Some would suggest that the main difference is that 500 people die in one scenario, and nobody dies in the other scenario.”

No, the point is that these scumbags are actively attempting to slaughter hundreds of innocent people just because they are “infidels”. It’s the intent that is the problem and the fact that there are hundreds of these islamofascists living in Britain (many of them “British”) just waiting for another attempt to commit mass murder.
Actually many Londoners did stop using public transport after 7/7 – I know several who still don’t two years later. It’s not so much our “stiff upper lip” rather than our national apathy – we don’t get angry about anything thesedays. If someone had told my grandfather’s generation that islamists would blow-up tube trains and slaughter Britons and then march UNOPPOSED thru the streets of London calling for the deaths of infidels they would never believe it. We get on with our lives also because we have no choice – we have to go to work, earn money and pay our bills. Meanwhile our rubbish immigration system allows thousands more islamists into the country every year. We have come to accept that we will be mugged by Somali gangs, have our women raped by Arabs, be blown-up by youth of Pakistani descent
and be threatened by muslim spokesmen in our own country. We don’t react because our political elite have taught us that we must never be outraged by the new arrivals to our country.

London Boy on June 29, 2007 at 5:28 PM

Maybe “the Brits” aren’t “freaking out” because a lot of Londoners know what living in a big city is like and they have jobs to go to and families to feed and they couldn’t give a toss about the insincere and foolish moral outrage of a bunch of “compassionate conservatives” thousands of miles across the ocean? It’s only a theory, and it probably needs a bit of fleshing out.

This page isn’t scary enough, needs a big picture of Abu Hamza or something so we all remember “what’s really going on”.

cardindex7 on June 29, 2007 at 5:29 PM

The Blotter/ABC comment winner….

Think its odd that mere days after Blair leaves, this new PM is given 2 failed car bombs to boost his image. These cars were basically handed to authorities. There’s either something bigger going to happen or a government conspiracy to make the new PM look good.

Giants people. We are among giants.

Limerick on June 29, 2007 at 5:33 PM

“The second car was packed with nails, too.”

My guess is there is at least one more of these out there someplace. These people tend to do things in at least threes.

crosspatch on June 29, 2007 at 5:38 PM

cardindex7 on June 29, 2007 at 5:29 PM

The only thing that needs a bit of fleshing out is your brain. You’ve hit-and-run on nearly every post–accusing us of being racist and mocking the concerns of people more serious than you. Take a hike.

London Boy on June 29, 2007 at 5:28 PM

I have friends in Glasgow and Cushendall (No. Ire.) and they share your sentiments: not happy about what’s going on, but feeling helpless. I get frustrated just talking to them about it. I’m sure you’ve been following our Immigration Reform nightmare here, so you are well aware that Americans are suffering under similar unregulated immigration problems. Is there no way that the Brits could face down their government leaders as we have recently done? Any recourse at all?

IrishEi on June 29, 2007 at 5:41 PM

And we think we have an immigration problem.

Kini on June 29, 2007 at 4:06 PM

Spot on chap.

BadgerHawk on June 29, 2007 at 5:43 PM

Blacklake,

Good thing they blew their detonator design budget on the cars. If you’re going to get stuck with terrorists, might as well be ones who can’t prioritize.

Imagine if Richard Reid had thought to spenr $1.19 on a Bic lighter instead of yutzing around with a book of matches.

Pablo on June 29, 2007 at 5:49 PM

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