I am a conservative and find that FoxNews tilts slightly to the left of center.

ROFL. One of the best quotes ever from a Hot Air poster. It works on multiple levels. Demonstrating the inability of the average conservative to actually use facts to back up their points, the mere hillarity of it, and the fact that the poster seems to think his word is as absolute as that of a judge’s.

Nice job of not presenting any evidence to back up your claim that Fox News is “left of center”.

Fragility on June 28, 2007 at 8:30 PM

I was giving my opinion not trying to start a fight with you about FoxNews, something you seem to thrive on since your very first post on HotAir when MM reopened registration.

Nice job of not presenting any evidence to back up your claim that Fox News is “left of center”.

You mean the way you presented evidence to back up the following claim?

My point is that it’s incredibly amusing when a channel that runs such blatant Republican propaganda manages to get grief from conservative bloggers.

Republican = Conservative? Not in my universe. That’s of course, aside from the fact that you presented no evidence of that, “blatant R propaganda.”

This is also amusing:

And by the way, your “moral relativist” Bill O’Reilly dedicated his book Culture Warrior to fighting “far-left moral relativism”. So congratulations making an ass out of yourself.

So that makes O’Reilly a conservative? Or a moderate?

Talk about making a fool of oneself.

I am a conservative and find that FoxNews tilts slightly to the left of center.

ROFL. One of the best quotes ever from a Hot Air poster. It works on multiple levels. Demonstrating the inability of the average conservative to actually use facts to back up their points, the mere hillarity of it, and the fact that the poster seems to think his word is as absolute as that of a judge’s.

Nice job of not presenting any evidence to back up your claim that Fox News is “left of center”.

That said, he takes a traditional position on many social issues, for which you label him a conservative.

Nice try substituting the word “traditional” for the more accurate term: conservative. He’s a social conservative, a conservative on foreign policy and a conservative on fiscal issues.

And by the way, your “moral relativist” Bill O’Reilly dedicated his book Culture Warrior to fighting “far-left moral relativism”. So congratulations making an ass out of yourself.

My point is that it’s incredibly amusing when a channel that runs such blatant Republican propaganda facts …

Fixed that for you, Fragility.

Conservatives wouldn’t EVER object to the personal stance of a journalist, if they would simply report the story instead of telling you how to think about the story. There isn’t a reporter on any of the Alphabet channels that fails to include biased commentary on any story they do.

It’s easy to underatand that from your viewpoint over there in moonbatville, anything less socialist looks like it’s hard right. Bill O’Reilly is a moral relativist, and tries to tune his stories to he can point the finger of extremism at those to the left AND right of him. If you claim he doesn’t, you’ve NEVER watched or listened to him. Two things you find in the middle of the road; yellow stripes, and dead skunks. That’s O’Reilly. That said, he takes a traditional position on many social issues, for which you label him a conservative.

The topic of this post, and many of the comments, is Shep Smith LYING about what Ann Coulter said and why she said it. Smith has the full quote available, his producers know what she really said, so there has to be a reason why he fraudulently presented the story. If conservatives want to be lied to, we already have at least 6 major ‘news’ outlets to turn to. We just want one that tells the truth most of the time. Fox is the closest thing on the airwaves, thanks to:

Bill O’Reilly
Brit Hume
John Gibson
Neil Cavuto
Greg Gutfeld
Paul Gigot
Sean Hannity
John Kasich
Sean Hannity

And Michelle, and Ollie, and Newt, etc.

Actually MM substituting is a recent change with BO. It used to be the RHINO John Kasich every Friday night.

I am a conservative and find that FoxNews tilts slightly to the left of center. I do not consider them conservative at all.

More importantly they have gone tabloid in the last 6 months. Instead of covering hard news, they have sold out to covering the latest gossip, Paris Hilton, TMZ, Pap.

There used to be GOP TV on Satellite that was a great channel until they went under. They were conservative but FoxNews is not conservative.

I think you are so used to the Leftist Mainstream Media, that you cannot see that FoxNews is not all that conservative.

No worries Fragility, you still have PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC pumping out the DNC talking points 24/7.

Patriot33 on June 28, 2007 at 3:28 AM

I mostly agree with you, but Rush is an ideologue. Brit is a journalist. They are both the best at what they do, but they do very different things.

And he’s complaining because Shepherd Smith, in a fifteen second clip, pointed out something Coulter said the other day in a manner which he didn’t agree? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Fragility

Nice spin there. Unfortunately, that’s not what happened. The issue is not that Smith, “disagreed with Ann Coulter’s comment, or the manner in which she made it.” The issue is that he totally mischaracterized it, making a false accusation against Coulter. He should correct himself and apologize.

It’s about Silky Pony and his campaign distorting Coulter’s words to paint themselves as, “victims,” to generate funds for a tanking presidential campaign.

Coulter didn’t insult him. They pretended she did. Then they accused her of, “hate,” which is indeed ironic in the face of the Amanda controversy.

The bottom line on Ann Coulter is that the liberals hate anyone on the right who tells the truth. They distort what conservatives say for their own ends. No matter what Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity…and others…say, they will be called liars, and they will be called, “hatemongers.”

The truth doesn’t matter to these people.

You post a list of conservatives (your words) who have shows on Fox. I hope you realize a conservative can be of any political party.

Then you list democrats (your words). Political affiliation does not constitute any static philosophy.

Example: Olympia Snowe – Liberal Republican
Zell Miller – Conservative Democrat

This reply is meaningless. First off, you failed to point out a single “Conservative Democrat” who has a show on Fox, which you seemed to hint there might be. Secondly, you seem to suggest that some of the conservatives on my list are Democrats.

Care to point one out? Hannity? Gigot? Kasich? Hume? Gibson? O’Reilly?

Give me a break.

What’s your point Fragility ?

My point is that it’s incredibly amusing when a channel that runs such blatant Republican propaganda manages to get grief from conservative bloggers. How does Allah have the right to complain at all? Fox News hires his boss to do “fair and balanced” analysis of the blogosphere during its election coverage, by herself. She gets to substitute for Bill O’Reilly almost every friday night. She’s brought on regularly to talk about her books and politics. No Democrat has such a privilege on Fox News.

And he’s complaining because Shepherd Smith, in a fifteen second clip, pointed out something Coulter said the other day in a manner which he didn’t agree? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Brit Hume stays and host four hours of nightly news.

Educate yourself on those you disagree with, otherwise you look like a fool.

I am, I actually listed a litany of his positions, which you ignored. Take your own advice and think before you open your mouth. He’s a conservative, period.

No, Shep, I’m afraid she didn’t say she wished he’d be killed in a terrorist assassination plot. Is even Fox not immune to this crap?

Are you kidding? Shep has been this way for a while. We’re talking about Shep “the science is in on global warming” Smith. We’re talking about Shep “that anti-Harold Ford Jr. playboy ad was racist” Smith. We’re talking about Shep ‘crying and throwing a tantrum in NOLA’ Smith. This guy is as big a POS as Geraldo. I’ve been saying they both need to go for some time now. (Oh yeah, I believe Shep was also in on the hyping (as I know Geraldo was) the “chinese guy with guns on Facebook” crap, well after it had been proven it was a different guy). There’s plenty more, but you get the picture. A lot of the time you can watch him now and even hear little tells about his opinion, based on what he puts emphasis on. It’s one thing on Studio B, but it’s too much when he pulls this crap on the (hard news) Fox Report.

Nope, I dont think that at all, but I also know that the vast majority of conservatives think for themselves and check facts before jumping to a concussion.

Then this:

There are plenty of conservative that have been brainwashed by political correctness, its a damn shame but sadly its true.

So they can think for themselves, but they’ve also been brainwashed? Excuse me? How do you explain both simultaneously?

If Shep helps provoke that then yes he is doing us a damn big favor…

doriangrey on June 28, 2007 at 10:55 AM

As I pointed out, Shep did nothing that would provoke anyone except for those who don’t like Coulter or those who are undecided and only now dislike her.

Again, either you already know the story, in which case Shep did nothing, or you didn’t know it and don’t plan on looking into it, in which case Shep hurt Coulter, not Edwards.

I don’t know anyone in their right mind who would be upset at Edwards for talking back to a woman who wished her husband had been killed. Had Mrs. Cheney done it to Bill Maher, I’d be very intrigued.

Obviously Cheney isn’t running for anything and has no reason to raise money off of that comment, but that’s beside the point of Shep’s recap.

Seriously, if you’re going to find out more about the story, which is what you claim conservatives will do, then you don’t need Shep to mention it to you in the first place.

Nope, and unlike most conservatives her last so called blooper didnt bother me either.

I figured as much, but, as you yourself admit, that “blooper” did anger most conservatives. So those same conservatives who were angry about her last joke will likely not bother trying to give Ann the benefit of doubt. Why should they? She’d just a pundit. It makes no difference to them if she’s been given an honest treatment or not, so they may as well assume that she has.

Yes I already knew, but try keeping in mind that Silk Pony is one of the most successful ambulance chasers in American history, the man could make millions by exploiting a dog pissing on his leg.

What does that have to do with anything? Is Shep on the man’s payroll?

Edwards may be able to spin this all he wants, and he has. He’s made more money off of Coulter than off of dead unborn babies. But he’s not the one presenting this story. Shep is.

And as a reporter, most people expect Shep to report the truth, not be the spin machine for Johnny.

You honestly believe conservatives are cool with Ann wishing Edwards had been killed by terrorists?

Nope, I dont think that at all, but I also know that the vast majority of conservatives think for themselves and check facts before jumping to a concussion.

Were you smoking something when she made her last comment??? Conservatives were the most angry about that comment.

Nope, and unlike most conservatives her last so called blooper didnt bother me either.

There are plenty of conservatives who think Coulter gives us a bad name and who equate her to Michael Moore. Giving them another reason to dislike her is not going to get ANYONE mad at Mrs. Edwards.

There are plenty of conservative that have been brainwashed by political correctness, its a damn shame but sadly its true.

Either you know the story already and understand that she didn’t wish death on Edwards and thus find the Mrs. to be in bad taste, especially considering all the money they’ve made off of Ann, or you don’t know the story and think Ann has “done it again.”

Yes I already knew, but try keeping in mind that Silk Pony is one of the most successful ambulance chasers in American history, the man could make millions by exploiting a dog pissing on his leg.

Shep did no favor to any conservatives. If you think otherwise, you’ve got some drugs that I’d envy.

I disagree, conservatives need to quote Howard Beale from the movie “Network”..”You’ve got to say, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!

If Shep helps provoke that then yes he is doing us a damn big favor…

Shep is probably the most talented news reader in the world but man is he a Lib or what?

Give that man a cigar…Yes Shep is a liberal, but contrary to what some here are suggesting it really isn’t a bad thing. For the most part Shep keeps his own political views out of his program. Once in a while his lib/tardness slips through, big deal. Unlike some here who are so rabidly anti-liberal I believe that to be fair and balanced you have to show a liberal view now and then.

Better that that liberal point of view come from someone who actually makes the effort to control their tendency to slant everything towards that liberal position than someone who pretends that they are middle of the road while slanting every single thing that comes out of their mouth to their liberal ideology.

And this irks you? Let’s see, how many conservatives have shows on Fox?

Bill O’Reilly
Brit Hume
John Gibson
Neil (Do Democrats Eat Babies?) Cavuto
Greg Gutfeld
Paul Gigot (WSJ Editorial)
Sean Hannity
Former GOP Congressman John Kasich
Sean Hannity (Show of his own, + half a show)

And all of the Democrats with political shows of their own?
Fragility on June 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM

You post a list of conservatives (your words) who have shows on Fox. I hope you realize a conservative can be of any political party.

Then you list democrats (your words). Political affiliation does not constitute any static philosophy.

Example: Olympia Snowe – Liberal Republican
Zell Miller – Conservative Democrat

So I say good for Shep, thats right good for Shep, because if all we had was people supporting Ann than nobody would get mad and Poor little Ms. Pony would get a pass on this bullsh%t…

doriangrey on June 28, 2007 at 10:36 AM

You honestly believe conservatives are cool with Ann wishing Edwards had been killed by terrorists?

Were you smoking something when she made her last comment??? Conservatives were the most angry about that comment.

There are plenty of conservatives who think Coulter gives us a bad name and who equate her to Michael Moore. Giving them another reason to dislike her is not going to get ANYONE mad at Mrs. Edwards.

Either you know the story already and understand that she didn’t wish death on Edwards and thus find the Mrs. to be in bad taste, especially considering all the money they’ve made off of Ann, or you don’t know the story and think Ann has “done it again.”

Shep did no favor to any conservatives. If you think otherwise, you’ve got some drugs that I’d envy.

Sorry man but Fragility does have a valid point. And if you think I am a liberal then you forgot to take you med’s. Yes Shep does lean liberal, but so frigging what. And yes I like Shep, I’m not going to pretend that he isn’t liberal, I don’t have a denial problem. Part of being fair and balanced is showing both sides of any issue. Ann is a big girl, and yes I LOVE Ann.

I dont have a problem with Shep’s coverage of this, not because I think Ann needs to be slammed, she doesnt. But Shep’s coverage even done poorly like this gets people talking about what happened. We need conservatives to get angry over what Poor little Ms. Pony did to Ann. Like it or not that is exactly the affect that Shep’s distasteful coverage of this incident is doing. Remember the majority of FoxNews viewers are conservative.

So I say good for Shep, thats right good for Shep, because if all we had was people supporting Ann than nobody would get mad and Poor little Ms. Pony would get a pass on this bullsh%t…

I’m curious as to how you tested this theory, given that Fox has never awarded a political show to a Democrat or a liberal. Even a mindless tool like Alan Colmes manages an even 1 million listeners on Fox News Radio. So let’s be honest, Fox is biased, you can try to make jokes, but at the end of the day, you know it.

Fragility on June 28, 2007 at 1:35 AM

How do we know that? Just compare the other stations to Fox News.

Use your own idiotic logic. If Fox is as biased as you say, and it’s still getting the best ratings out of all the other cable news stations, then obviously the viewers are more interested in watching Republicans than they are watching a bunch of Democrats.

Just look at Keith Olberman’s pathetic ratings.

You don’t need to test something that’s been standard on every other station for years now.

Christ, get a grip.

Fragility on June 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM

Please, please take your own stinkin’ advice.

And as someone else has stated, Bill O’Reily is no conservative. He may lean Right, but that doesn’t make someone a conservative. Educate yourself on those you disagree with, otherwise you look like a fool.