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LA Times: Support for amnesty bill slipping? Update: Is border enforcement money going to be used for Z visas? Update: Uh oh — La Raza opposes Graham’s amendment; Update: Nelson to vote yes on cloture? Update: Domenici to vote no; Update: Hold the phone — Nelson voting no?

posted at 1:13 pm on June 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Sounds promising but it’s pretty thin.

Even as the Senate voted Tuesday to restart the stalled debate on immigration legislation, Democratic support for the bill appeared to be slipping, and could jeopardize it as much as fierce Republican opposition does…

Several Democrats who voted to proceed with a debate — including Boxer, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Jim Webb of Virginia — also remain skeptical that they will be able to vote for the bill…

Webb said his support would be contingent on the fate of an amendment he planned to offer that would give legal status only to those illegal immigrants who had been in the country for four years or longer, and would eliminate a requirement that they return home first. If it passes, Webb said, he would support the bill. “If not, I won’t,” he said.

The WashTimes reports that “There are at least a dozen senators who have said that their ‘Yes’ vote yesterday was simply to begin the debate, and that they could vote to block the bill through a filibuster vote, or vote against it on final passage.” Except that’s not exactly an either/or proposition, is it? A five-vote switch tomorrow on cloture would kill the bill but a five-vote switch on the final bill itself on Friday wouldn’t since Bush already has the 51 needed to pass it if it gets that far. Are Webb et al. planning to go to the mat tomorrow or are they planning that sham two-step where they vote yes on cloture and then no on the final bill so that they can pretend to their constituents that they tried to kill this thing?

Incidentally, according to one of K-Lo’s sources, they don’t even have the final bill ready yet. The “clay pigeon” is full of errors so they’re in a holding pattern at the moment while staffers rework it in some back room. They’ll proceed directly to debate once it’s ready, of course, not pausing for so much as a day to read and digest it. Why? Because, as we saw yesterday, this is about legislative viability, not practical viability. A dramatic illustration of that fact per the WashTimes:

Two Republicans — Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky — appeared so eager to revive the bill [yesterday] they initially voted the wrong way on a previous labor union rights vote, before catching themselves and switching.

The genuine good news is that even if it squeaks through the Senate it’s going to be a very tough haul for Pelosi in the House to push it through. Not only does she have a lot of different constituencies on her own side to herd but one GOP congressman pronounced the Senate bill DOA as far as the Republicans are concerned. Pelosi’s said before that she’d need 70 votes from Republicans to pass it; she ain’t getting them, so unless she was bluffing she’ll need to whip the Blue Dogs hard to produce a heavily Democratic majority. Think she can do it? Hmmm:

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), a key player on immigration, said the Conference resolution was not surprising but is unlikely to affect the game plan in the House.

“You’d be hard-pressed to find very many people in America who support the Senate bill, including House Republicans and House Democrats,” she said, adding that if the Senate can complete the bill this week the House will move quickly.

“Our mission is to have a bill that will be better” than the Senate version, she said.

If the House is the sticking point, you’d think the Grand Bargainers would let them go first and work with whatever bill comes out of there. But that would risk there being no bill at all, which would deny the Bargainers the glory of a capital-A Accomplishment, no matter how craptastic that Accomplishment might be. Think I’m kidding? Here’s the mouthpiece of Republican amnesty, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, finding a new and effervescent procedural reason to pass this travesty:

[I]n the near term, meaning through 2008, Republicans would be far better off helping President Bush and John McCain pass something that takes immigration off the table. If the issue remains central to the 2008 debate, it will divide the GOP and the media will play up the split. Given the passions that immigration evokes on the right in particular, the issue could easily drown out other domestic policy messages the candidates would prefer to run on.

Got that? So horrendously destructive is this sham to the Republicans’ electoral fortunes that the only thing to do now is pass it. Let me gently suggest that it’s a bit late in the day for the Journal to be fretting about that, and that perhaps the sounder course here with so much potential for divisiveness would have been not to introduce a bill at all. But short of that, here’s a killer idea for how to reduce the divisions, heal the wounds, and put everyone back on message with those ever-so-important other domestic policy messages the Journal is so worried for now: withdraw the bill. Or better yet, replace it with one limited to border enforcement with a promise to revisit amnesty in a few years, after we’ve seen some results. The public would love it, the base would be reunited with its, ahem, “representatives,” and the GOP would pick up a little of that steam it’s been losing for about five years now.

But it won’t happen, will it?

Read the full editorial since there’s also some fun stuff in there about Republicans needing to open the borders to woo Hispanic voters. Hell, we could probably woo even more by adopting all sorts of Democratic/socialist policies, starting with universal health care and yet another minimum wage hike. Why stop with geography?

Finally, here’s the obligatory link to the piece that’s going around about Robert Putnam suppressing his own research on diversity. You can guess, based on that fact, what the data reveals.

Update: Captain Ed says Webb’s amendment was torpedoed, 79-18. How about it now, tough guy? Is tomorrow the day?

Update: Here’s another potential no on cloture tomorrow. That’s two…

Update: No surprise here but Kit Bond is also a likely no. He’s said he won’t support the amnesty bill unless they approve his amendment stripping the, er, amnesty provision from it, so pencil him in.

Update: DeMint’s office sounds the alarm — as bad as it is, it’s even worse than we thought.

U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) released Wednesday a report from the Congressional Research Service (CRS) which says the new Senate immigration bill contains a major loophole in border security. Supporters of the bill say it provides $4.4 billion in immediate mandatory spending for border enforcement, but according to the CRS analysis, the funds could also be used immediately to implement the amnesty provisions bill

According to the CRS report provided to Senator DeMint on late Tuesday, the mandatory spending in the bill could immediately be used for Z visas. It says, “(r)eceiving, processing, and adjudicating applications for the Z visa authorized by Title VI of the Act is one of the trigger mechanisms outlined in Section 1; this means that funding from the Immigration Security Account could be used for this purpose.”…

“Not only can this money be used for things other then border security and enforcement, it looks like another backdoor trick to promote amnesty,” said Senator DeMint. “If Congress appropriates money later this year for the border, the money provided in this bill will turn into a slush fund the Administration can use to ensure illegal immigrants are legalized.”

Update: Here’s the PDF of the CRS report to which DeMint refers. Note the conclusion.

Update: The open-borders left rebels over the meaningless, self-defeating “touchback” requirement!

This amendment will undermine one of the central goals of the bill: To encourage undocumented immigrants to register with the government, pay fines, and reconcile with the law.

Requiring consulates to steel themselves for a flood of applications eight to ten years down the line is one thing; requiring them to gear up for adjudication of this deluge of in-person applications in the next two to four years is a very different story.

Update: A reader e-mails to say that people in Ben Nelson’s office told him Nelson is dancing the shamnesty two-step — yes on the meaningful cloture vote tomorrow and no on the meaningless final vote on Friday. Disgraceful.

Update: Domenici says the defeat of Hutchison’s amendment is a dealbreaker for him. He’s a no — and the Corner is starting to sound optimistic.

Update: Has Nelson changed his mind? Reader “Jaibones” says he just got off the phone with his office and was told Nelson’s voting no on cloture tomorrow.


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What a bunch of crapola….The GOP stands for nothing anymore and has lost all credibility with me and most of the people I know. I cannot understand why the President has stabbed us in the heart…He’ll probably support the Fairness Doctrine when Teddy and Nancy bring that to his desk — after it gets off his knees from kissing their assess……

jimwesty on June 27, 2007 at 5:52 PM

I just talked to Nelsons Lincoln NB office….he is yes on cloture and no on the bill. I told him it was Nelsons DUTY to defeat this bill and I wasn’t fooled by his attempt to get double coverage on this. I told him the filibuster was a perfectly respectable senate procedure. He actually said Nelson didn’t think the filibuster was respectable!! I told him if that’s the case, Nelson needs to get out of the senate, and that his constituents will probably take care of that for him.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Update:

Just talked to Ben Nelson’s office, and au contraire, he will not vote for cloture.

Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 5:54 PM

Regarding Ben Nelson – what changed in two minutes?

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 5:58 PM

I just called DeMint’s office to thank him for being our only true SC Senator and standing up to amnesty. Only two rings, they must be enjoying few calls but friendly calls.

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 5:59 PM

I just called DeMint’s office to thank him for being our only true SC Senator and standing up to amnesty. Only two rings, they must be enjoying few calls but friendly calls.

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 5:59 PM

Good job.

I also called DeMint’s office and Sessions’ (R-AL) office and thanked them both for defending and upholding the Constitution and the rule of law in our country.

Regarding Senator Nelson of Nebraska……

both staff members in different offices seemed pretty confident that Nelson would vote YES on cloture tomorrow and NO on amnesty.

For the sake of the country, I hope I am wrong…

ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 6:04 PM

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 5:41 PM

Do this too. Send him the links to…

http://www.paybackproject.com

and tell him you will be using the information from….

http://www.opensecrets.org

to contact every one of his contributers and tell them we will be boycotting them until Craig is out of office.

The gal in his Boise office, after being calm and cool, started stammering when I told her I knew who his contributers are.

Pay special attention to the figures for his 2002 election. Those are the folks he is paying back with this vote. Agri business specifically.

Are you in Idaho? If so, we can start a grass roots effort to get him removed for 08.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:05 PM

Uh, did anyone one else’s type all go from black to red or is my computer freaking out on me???

hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 6:05 PM

Jaibones,

can you check again? I was on with his Lincoln office not 30 minutes ago and his staffer was adamant that he would vote yes on cloture and no on the bill.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:07 PM

yes, mine is red too.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:07 PM

Hannity replayed the Voinovich (R-OH) interview at the end of his show.

When it came to details of the bill, Voinovich couldn’t get off the phone fast enough. Even if he ends up voting the right way…can Ohioans ever trust this guy again?

Zach on June 27, 2007 at 6:08 PM

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:07 PM

Thanks, I thought my beloved Vaio was revolting. WHEW!

hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 6:09 PM

Allah, did you close the tag in the title?

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:09 PM

csdeven:

Are you in Idaho? If so, we can start a grass roots effort to get him removed for 08.

Yeah, I live in the northern half of the state. Unfortunately, I walked precincts for this guy, years ago. Never again. And I let him know that, too.

I’d like to see something get started. I think the whole crop needs to be replaced. And their staffs, as well (at least in DC)

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:09 PM

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:10 PM

My text is all red, too.

Must be a Rovian plot…

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:10 PM

Does anyone know approximately what time tmw the Cloture vote will take place??

BTW, the RED letters throughout remind me of that scene from Spaceballs where the spaceship goes to Ludicrous Speed and John Candy says incredulously “My God… They’ve gone to PLAID!!”

Classic

Always Right on June 27, 2007 at 6:11 PM

Allah!!!!

Your burning rage is bleeding into the comments!!!

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 6:11 PM

All I can say about Landrieu (the -eaux is a common spelling error, we used to have Senator Breaux) is that, at least in LA, our politicians know better than to go against overwhelming public outcry. Usually. Don’t quote me. The enormous influx of immigrants after Katrina has also stirred up a lot of resentment in the New Orleans area, especially with Mayor Ray “This needs to be a Chocolate City!” Ragin. And since the ENTIRE STATE OF LA is nothing more than New Orleans (at least to everybody outside of LA), it’s the only voice that matters.

apostle26 on June 27, 2007 at 6:11 PM

I called my New Jersey Senators Menendez and Lautenberg. Figures it was worth a shot. What the heck, menendez doesn’t like the bill either, but for different reasons. I’ll take what I can get just to get this defeated. They are asking though your address

donna on June 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

I just got the same response from Nelson’s Washington office – he’s voting NO.

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

Hmmm.

Okay, text black now, but all italics.

They’re trying to drive us nuts…

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:13 PM

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:05 PM

We’re working on something better than that. Standby.

PRCalDude on June 27, 2007 at 6:14 PM

I think the italics tag is open now.

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:14 PM

I just got the same response from Nelson’s Washington office – he’s voting NO.

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:12 PM

No for cloture? Cool. I will take any good news right now.

ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 6:15 PM

First he says yes, then another office says no, then yes, then no.

Maybe Nelson wants to say he was for it before he was against it, or against it, but really for it, or something…

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:16 PM

All better now.

amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Yes, much better now, thanks for fixing it.

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Crap! I just called to get another update since Webb was still “on the Senate floor” at 5:42 and conveniently Webb’s office is now closed. BAH!

hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 6:20 PM

Supposedly Kit Bond is voting no on cloture.

Good.

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:20 PM

*Nagin

apostle26 on June 27, 2007 at 6:21 PM

Fox news said there were 3 additional no votes from the first vote making it 37 no’s, and there are 7 additional leaning no. For what it’s worth.

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 6:22 PM

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:09 PM

I’m in the south. You guys have a fellow up there named Robert Vasquez. He ran against Sali in 06 and recently was going after Craig’s seat for 08. He was very anti-illegal and got very little support from the GOP. Well, on 26April07 he dropped out of the race for Craig’s seat. I am trying to find him because he may have been a bit premature and this might be a good time for him to go again. He was a Canyon County commissioner and was from Caldwell. I can’t find an email or phone number.

Do you know anything about him?

A guy from http://www.paybackproject.com told me that the minute this POS passes the senate, he will start the process of getting rid of these traitorous GOP senators.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:25 PM

PRCalDude on June 27, 2007 at 6:14 PM

Don’t forget me. I am fired up, retired and have unlimited long distance, and I can burn the friggen phones lines down!

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:29 PM

Do you know anything about him?

No, I don’t. Our local papers don’t cover much up here.

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:30 PM

Nelson’s Lincoln office just said sorry for the mix up but it is confirmed. No on cloture, no on the bill. Somebody check him off the list! Yaaaaa!

Yeah, I know, don’t get too excited. We aren’t there yet.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:32 PM

I would not hold my breath until the voting is done and the fat lady is singing.

Hopefully, Nelson will vote no.

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:35 PM

He will start the process of getting rid of these traitorous GOP senators.

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:25 PM

Even if the sham-nesty legislation does not pass, we still need to be pro-active and plan ahead for action against the following anti-Constitution GOP senators in this order:

1.) Lindsey Graham of South Carolina

Start herethen check out this next anti-Graham-Amnesty site for more info.

2.) Hagel of Nebraska

Start giving money and support to the primary challenger Jon Bruning.

3.) Kyl of Arizona

ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 6:43 PM

Thanks, I thought my beloved Vaio was revolting. WHEW!

hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 6:09 PM

And the RNC thinks the peasants (us) are revolting. (Pun intended.)

ReubenJCogburn on June 27, 2007 at 6:47 PM

1.) Lindsey Graham of South Carolina

My first 2 links didn’t work. So here they are:

http://recalllindseygraham.blogspot.com/

http://dumplindseygraham.blogspot.com/

Sorry for confusion.

ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Fox news said…”

Oh, look. Fox has an immigration sob story on their homepage.

‘American Dream’ Family Faces Deportation

MrC_5150 on June 27, 2007 at 6:53 PM

ReubenJCogburn on June 27, 2007 at 6:47 PM

Haha, well maybe since they’re not afraid of me revolting or my lost vote, they will fear the wrath of my super-old and overused Vaio!

hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 6:55 PM

Oh, look. Fox has an immigration sob story on their homepage.

Wahhhhhhh

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 6:56 PM

Hey, jdawg. I read the “sob story” on Foxnews. We should all be fighting mad that they’re gonna send these Americans out of country because of some 20 year old paperwork, but they’re ramming through legislation that would allow 20 million fence jumpers to stay.

Smells like Bullocracy at it finest.

sleestak on June 27, 2007 at 7:09 PM

sleestak, nothing like good ol’ gov’t bureaucracy at work. And to think some people want gov’t to run our health care…

Scary.

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 7:17 PM

Wow…strange pork in the amnesty bill. Immigration enforcement in the middle of alaska. Via Ace.

http://minx.cc/?post=231675

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Immigration enforcement in the middle of alaska

Yeah, gotta watch out for those marauding caribou, y’know…

jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 7:34 PM

csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 6:32 PM

Right. And after listening to that effing douche Whinybitch from Ohio, it’s horrifying to know the depth of the stupidity and ignorance in the GOP Senate. He doesn’t even know what this bill says; not even close. But he’s happy enough with it to get in a fight on national radio over it.

Still, I think we now know of at least 5 Senators who have flipped to nay. I just don’t know how many are committed to a nay on cloture tomorrow. And thank you, AP, I’ll have a great sleep tonight knowing that half-retarded, sniveling douche Voinovich controls my children’s future.

Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 7:49 PM

See if this sounds right. Kennedy-Reid-Bush need to get this amnesty done so the illegals can pay into social security because we all know that we are almost down to 2 workers per recipient. This will sure it up temporarlity until the authors are dead. This has to be it.

warpmine on June 27, 2007 at 8:06 PM

sunny on June 27, 2007 at 7:23 PM

Ace brought the good stuff out for that POS Stevens and Princess Lisa.

Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 8:13 PM

We’ve all been thinking about this a lot in the past few days-I’m no “truther”, but here’s my thinking:
Someone pulling the strings, who seems to have enough political muscle/dirt/power to force the leaders of both parties to commit political hari kari with their futures, wants this bill done, no matter what the people want.
He’s looking for a legacy, which I think may be because he is not long for this world- he’s twisting all the arms, expending all of his political coin like there’s no tomorrow because he may be running out of tomorrows.
Ted Kennedy.

Doug on June 28, 2007 at 1:11 AM

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