LA Times: Support for amnesty bill slipping? Update: Is border enforcement money going to be used for Z visas? Update: Uh oh — La Raza opposes Graham’s amendment; Update: Nelson to vote yes on cloture? Update: Domenici to vote no; Update: Hold the phone — Nelson voting no?
posted at 1:13 pm on June 27, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Sounds promising but it’s pretty thin.
Even as the Senate voted Tuesday to restart the stalled debate on immigration legislation, Democratic support for the bill appeared to be slipping, and could jeopardize it as much as fierce Republican opposition does…
Several Democrats who voted to proceed with a debate — including Boxer, Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Jim Webb of Virginia — also remain skeptical that they will be able to vote for the bill…
Webb said his support would be contingent on the fate of an amendment he planned to offer that would give legal status only to those illegal immigrants who had been in the country for four years or longer, and would eliminate a requirement that they return home first. If it passes, Webb said, he would support the bill. “If not, I won’t,” he said.
The WashTimes reports that “There are at least a dozen senators who have said that their ‘Yes’ vote yesterday was simply to begin the debate, and that they could vote to block the bill through a filibuster vote, or vote against it on final passage.” Except that’s not exactly an either/or proposition, is it? A five-vote switch tomorrow on cloture would kill the bill but a five-vote switch on the final bill itself on Friday wouldn’t since Bush already has the 51 needed to pass it if it gets that far. Are Webb et al. planning to go to the mat tomorrow or are they planning that sham two-step where they vote yes on cloture and then no on the final bill so that they can pretend to their constituents that they tried to kill this thing?
Incidentally, according to one of K-Lo’s sources, they don’t even have the final bill ready yet. The “clay pigeon” is full of errors so they’re in a holding pattern at the moment while staffers rework it in some back room. They’ll proceed directly to debate once it’s ready, of course, not pausing for so much as a day to read and digest it. Why? Because, as we saw yesterday, this is about legislative viability, not practical viability. A dramatic illustration of that fact per the WashTimes:
Two Republicans — Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky — appeared so eager to revive the bill [yesterday] they initially voted the wrong way on a previous labor union rights vote, before catching themselves and switching.
The genuine good news is that even if it squeaks through the Senate it’s going to be a very tough haul for Pelosi in the House to push it through. Not only does she have a lot of different constituencies on her own side to herd but one GOP congressman pronounced the Senate bill DOA as far as the Republicans are concerned. Pelosi’s said before that she’d need 70 votes from Republicans to pass it; she ain’t getting them, so unless she was bluffing she’ll need to whip the Blue Dogs hard to produce a heavily Democratic majority. Think she can do it? Hmmm:
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), a key player on immigration, said the Conference resolution was not surprising but is unlikely to affect the game plan in the House.
“You’d be hard-pressed to find very many people in America who support the Senate bill, including House Republicans and House Democrats,” she said, adding that if the Senate can complete the bill this week the House will move quickly.
“Our mission is to have a bill that will be better” than the Senate version, she said.
If the House is the sticking point, you’d think the Grand Bargainers would let them go first and work with whatever bill comes out of there. But that would risk there being no bill at all, which would deny the Bargainers the glory of a capital-A Accomplishment, no matter how craptastic that Accomplishment might be. Think I’m kidding? Here’s the mouthpiece of Republican amnesty, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, finding a new and effervescent procedural reason to pass this travesty:
[I]n the near term, meaning through 2008, Republicans would be far better off helping President Bush and John McCain pass something that takes immigration off the table. If the issue remains central to the 2008 debate, it will divide the GOP and the media will play up the split. Given the passions that immigration evokes on the right in particular, the issue could easily drown out other domestic policy messages the candidates would prefer to run on.
Got that? So horrendously destructive is this sham to the Republicans’ electoral fortunes that the only thing to do now is pass it. Let me gently suggest that it’s a bit late in the day for the Journal to be fretting about that, and that perhaps the sounder course here with so much potential for divisiveness would have been not to introduce a bill at all. But short of that, here’s a killer idea for how to reduce the divisions, heal the wounds, and put everyone back on message with those ever-so-important other domestic policy messages the Journal is so worried for now: withdraw the bill. Or better yet, replace it with one limited to border enforcement with a promise to revisit amnesty in a few years, after we’ve seen some results. The public would love it, the base would be reunited with its, ahem, “representatives,” and the GOP would pick up a little of that steam it’s been losing for about five years now.
But it won’t happen, will it?
Read the full editorial since there’s also some fun stuff in there about Republicans needing to open the borders to woo Hispanic voters. Hell, we could probably woo even more by adopting all sorts of Democratic/socialist policies, starting with universal health care and yet another minimum wage hike. Why stop with geography?
Finally, here’s the obligatory link to the piece that’s going around about Robert Putnam suppressing his own research on diversity. You can guess, based on that fact, what the data reveals.
Update: Captain Ed says Webb’s amendment was torpedoed, 79-18. How about it now, tough guy? Is tomorrow the day?
Update: Here’s another potential no on cloture tomorrow. That’s two…
Update: No surprise here but Kit Bond is also a likely no. He’s said he won’t support the amnesty bill unless they approve his amendment stripping the, er, amnesty provision from it, so pencil him in.
Update: DeMint’s office sounds the alarm — as bad as it is, it’s even worse than we thought.
U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-South Carolina) released Wednesday a report from the Congressional Research Service (CRS) which says the new Senate immigration bill contains a major loophole in border security. Supporters of the bill say it provides $4.4 billion in immediate mandatory spending for border enforcement, but according to the CRS analysis, the funds could also be used immediately to implement the amnesty provisions bill…
According to the CRS report provided to Senator DeMint on late Tuesday, the mandatory spending in the bill could immediately be used for Z visas. It says, “(r)eceiving, processing, and adjudicating applications for the Z visa authorized by Title VI of the Act is one of the trigger mechanisms outlined in Section 1; this means that funding from the Immigration Security Account could be used for this purpose.”…
“Not only can this money be used for things other then border security and enforcement, it looks like another backdoor trick to promote amnesty,” said Senator DeMint. “If Congress appropriates money later this year for the border, the money provided in this bill will turn into a slush fund the Administration can use to ensure illegal immigrants are legalized.”
Update: Here’s the PDF of the CRS report to which DeMint refers. Note the conclusion.
Update: The open-borders left rebels over the meaningless, self-defeating “touchback” requirement!
This amendment will undermine one of the central goals of the bill: To encourage undocumented immigrants to register with the government, pay fines, and reconcile with the law.
Requiring consulates to steel themselves for a flood of applications eight to ten years down the line is one thing; requiring them to gear up for adjudication of this deluge of in-person applications in the next two to four years is a very different story.
Update: A reader e-mails to say that people in Ben Nelson’s office told him Nelson is dancing the shamnesty two-step — yes on the meaningful cloture vote tomorrow and no on the meaningless final vote on Friday. Disgraceful.
Update: Domenici says the defeat of Hutchison’s amendment is a dealbreaker for him. He’s a no — and the Corner is starting to sound optimistic.
Update: Has Nelson changed his mind? Reader “Jaibones” says he just got off the phone with his office and was told Nelson’s voting no on cloture tomorrow.
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Fierce republican opposition? I saw more republicans opposed to keeping Elian Gonzalez away from his father.
MadisonConservative on June 27, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Republicans should open the borders to Albania, at least the Albanians love the United States and would support it…
doriangrey on June 27, 2007 at 1:19 PM
God these people are relentless…just let the amnesty bill die already!
Bad Candy on June 27, 2007 at 1:22 PM
I’m proud to say from my state, Senators Coburn and Inhofe plan to derail it. Did anyone catch Bush (mistakenly) calling it an “amnesty bill”? The WH quickly rushed out a clarification. Was it a slip of the tongue or the truth leaking out?
thedecider on June 27, 2007 at 1:22 PM
This is what I wrote to the WSJ after reading their editorial:
Your immigration editorial of June 27, 2007
I think you either misunderstand or misstate the issues. I am one of those “minority” of Republicans who oppose this absolutely terrible bill. I oppose it not because I am against Latinos or even immigration. No I oppose it because a) it rewards illegal behavior, b) it weakens the security of America and c) it ensures that twenty years hence we will face an even bigger problem.
Before you dismiss me as an ignorant bigot, I am actually an immigrant, a LEGAL immigrant, who legally became a naturalized citizen; as did my wife. I am in favor of free trade but not a country without a border. We are in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect America but we can’t even protect our own border! In the private sector any CEO making such a claim would be fired in a hurry.
Generally I am a great admirer of the philosophies this page espouses; but on this issue you are wrong. You have forsaken your normal belief in upholding the law and in keeping America safe; you have chosen to support businesses that have engaged in illegal conduct in the name of economic freedom. I guess you must be debating what the meaning of the word “legal” is.
Verinder on June 27, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Sulejman Talovic. Google it.
MrC_5150 on June 27, 2007 at 1:25 PM
That City Journal article is really something. I remember seeing a blurb on FARK a while back when that study was first completed, but somehow missed the fact that the researcher was going to hold back the results until he could come up with solutions for the “problem”.
RyanOH on June 27, 2007 at 1:25 PM
So…the Republic has been removed from our form of government by Bush/Kennedy/Reid. What happens to the RNC? Save the few who are fighting for the LEGAL citizens. Read a book about the French revolution.
mustang1 on June 27, 2007 at 1:34 PM
You can’t even parody this.
So the Senate wants to flood our country with impoverished third worlders, squeeze the American middle class out of existence to pay for their services, and revive limits on free speech to stop criticism of the plan. We are becoming a third world country.
Nosferightu on June 27, 2007 at 1:36 PM
MrC_5150 on June 27, 2007 at 1:25 PM
You do know that there is an enormous difference between Bosnia and Albania right?
doriangrey on June 27, 2007 at 1:37 PM
OT WTF
Senate Panel Issues Subpoenas to White House, Vice President’s Office Seeking Eavesdropping Documents
LakeRuins on June 27, 2007 at 1:39 PM
A Reminder to The Wall Street Journal:
Somebody VERY IMPORTANT once said….
free markets and illegal immigration do NOT go hand in hand together. If you have illegal immigration, then a society will lose free markets and ultimately embrace socialism and the loss of personal freedom.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 1:39 PM
Very few of the amendments being proposed do anything at all to improve it, even if they had a chance of passing. Webb’s amendment proposed only granting amnesty to those who have been here 4 years or longer? So, the longer you were able to break the law successfully, the more preference you get? Doesn’t make any sense! But then again, none of this does.
The only amendment I liked (that I can remember–I’m so confused by all this, which is I’m sure part of the strategy) was Cornyn’s proposal to ban criminals. It was still lipstick on a pig–didn’t change the nature of the pig–but it at least made sense. Of course, they torpedoed that too. What a travesty.
aero on June 27, 2007 at 1:43 PM
Bosnia != Albania. Google it.
jeffNWV on June 27, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Burr’s office in NC says he is switching his vote tomorrow to NO.
Valiant on June 27, 2007 at 1:45 PM
Regardless of whether the bill passes or not, what are we going to do about a system that tries to pass unfinished, error-full bills and the people who don’t seem to mind?
They have our money and they are nuts!!
MamaAJ on June 27, 2007 at 1:49 PM
I saw that opinion journal piece. That was lllllame. “We need to get this off the table before it splits the party”.
As whatsername sings, “It’s a little too late to do the right thing now”.
see-dubya on June 27, 2007 at 1:50 PM
I urge Californians to call, email, and fax Barbara Boxer. HAMMER her office. Every little bit counts.
surfhut on June 27, 2007 at 1:50 PM
What a bunch of self-serving crap!! MOST of the GOP, i.e. the base and a majority of house members are pretty well united against this bill and amnesty in general. The division in the GOP is primarily between the base and the cheap-labor lobby (along with its bought and paid-for senators) for whom the bottom line trumps all other values, including rule of law, citizenship, national sovereignty, and cultural unity. THEY are the ones that are going to be left out in the cold by the rest of the GOP, and in fact they are the ones causing this division in the first place by insisting on amnesty because they don’t like the fact that state and local governments have started to step in to take measures against illegal immigration in the vacuum left by the federal government’s non-enforcement.
It’s really hard for me to respect the WSJ anymore. While their editorial page is right on so many issues, they are so disasterously wrong on this one, very large issue that it undermines them on all. It’s something akin to being pro-Israel and a Holocaust denier at the same time.
And the idea that this passing this POS will take immigration off the table is ludicrous. I can’t remember where I read it, but someone else wrote that this amnesty bill will take immigration off the table in the same way that Roe v. Wade took abortion off the table.
thirteen28 on June 27, 2007 at 1:52 PM
Kit Bond from Missouri said he plans to vote no, but had voted yes yesterday because he “loves debate.”
And if you believe that I may sell a bridge on eBay.
Kimmer on June 27, 2007 at 1:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070620/cm_csm/emexico_1
jeffNWV on June 27, 2007 at 1:53 PM
This Burns poem seems fitting for the current situation.
Such A Parcel Of Rogues In A Nation
Fareweel to a’ our
ScottishAmerican fame,Fareweel our ancient glory;
Fareweel ev’n to the
ScottishAmerican name,Sae fam’d in martial story.
Now
SarkRed River rins overSolwayTexas sands,An’
TweedRio Grande rins to the ocean,To mark where
England’scorporate province stands-Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro’ many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
For hireling traitor’s wages.
The
Englishcorporate stell we could disdain,Secure in valour’s station;
But
Englishcorporate gold has been our bane-Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
O would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay,
Wi’
BruceRevere and loyalWallaceHenry!But pith and power, till my last hour,
I’ll mak this declaration;
We’re bought and sold for
Englishcorporate gold-Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
I know it my version doesnt flow as well but I’m no poet.
Cheers.
Trooper on June 27, 2007 at 1:57 PM
surfhut on June 27, 2007 at 1:50 PM
Love to, but she turned off her phones e-mail and fax lines yesterday. Apparently she didnt like hearing what Californians had to say about the bullsh%t she was pulling……..
doriangrey on June 27, 2007 at 1:58 PM
The anything-to-take-this-off-the-table-for-’08 obsession, shared by Beltway dipsh*ts of all political stripes, is the central fissure in the divide between elites and public. We’re past the days where meaningless legislation takes it off the table for a few years. The only thing that takes it off the table now is noticeable results. Which means it never leaves the table–the best they can do is start making a noticeable dent in the influx.
Alex K on June 27, 2007 at 1:58 PM
There aint no tellen what these ideots will do. The correct answer seems clear to me: seal the border and enforce current law.
Once we shut off the gravy train of free education, free health care, no employer sanctions, etc, etc, etc, the illegal jobs will dry up and the exodus will begin.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 1:59 PM
I smell a double coverage rat in Webb. Just like my guy Craig.
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 2:00 PM
I got an email that says that Bond, Burr, and Webb all intend to vote NO on cloture tomorrow. Can anyone who’s called those offices recently confirm that?
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 2:03 PM
The House saved us from a flawed immigration bill last time. Hope springs eternal…even now.
sulla on June 27, 2007 at 2:04 PM
Are we talking to our neighbors? Are we telling our co-workers about this sham-nesty legislation?
Are we emailing relatives about what the crooked stuff going on in DC?
We still need to keep up the pressure. Keep plugging away. Be faithful and diligent in making the phone calls.
Keep calling the U.S. Senators and remind them of their sworn testimony on oath to uphold the Constitution instead of taking bribes (PAC money from real estate, agri-business, immigration lobby group, etc).
Keep up the phone calls!!!!
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 2:05 PM
In a word. Oooops.
MrC_5150 on June 27, 2007 at 2:05 PM
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 1:59 PM
A-men brother……
doriangrey on June 27, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Forget Bosnia and Albania, look at Kosovo. The Albanians flooded in there so thick they outnumber the locals. It looks like they are going to get their own government there and take over.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Here’s an idea for ya, : Import Mexico’s immigration laws!!!
There’s lot’s more here.
It’s worth reading the whole thing.
h/t Mark Levin
RushBaby on June 27, 2007 at 2:06 PM
Received this e-mail from the head of US Border Watch earlier. The illegals are planning “civil disobedience”, among other things if this bill fails.
Of course, its too much to ask to arrest them all while they are marching on our streets.
SouthernPride on June 27, 2007 at 2:07 PM
I forget who it was who said it yesterday, but I’ve gotta agree (and paraphrase) – if we weren’t so fat and prosperous we’d be in the midst of a revolution right about now.
crazy_legs on June 27, 2007 at 2:07 PM
got an email that says that Bond, Burr, and Webb all intend to vote NO on cloture tomorrow. Can anyone who’s called those offices recently confirm that?
*^*^*^* *^*^*^*
Just talked to Webb’s DC office and the staffer said she did not have any update from Sen. Webb. She sounded really upset that his Amendment failed so badly.
We tried to tell them that this was all a game yesterday. Reid is on a mission. Nothing will stand in his way, certainly not a new Senator from VA.
stenwin77 on June 27, 2007 at 2:07 PM
He has an amendment in play, though. He’s said flatly that he’s against amnesty, and he’s one of the ones I think will flip when his amendment fails.
You don’t want to disillusion a girl, do you?
Tanya on June 27, 2007 at 2:08 PM
But, but, I thought this bill was just over “one issue”?! \sarc off
I completely agree with you, and the “one issue” people are utterly full of crap.
ReubenJCogburn on June 27, 2007 at 2:10 PM
Thanks.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 2:11 PM
My relative is a Serbian native who assimilated into USA legally from Serbia. He learned to speak English perfectly, and he always has had a job, and he never was on welfare. He is now a USA citizen, and teaches his kids to speak English, and he never accepted “free hand-outs,” or “freebies” from the government welfare system. He is not a “free-loader.”
He told me once, “NATO bombed Serbia in the 1990s over Kosovo, but most Americans have no idea about how USA has the very same problem. In Kosovo, Albanians would illegally cross the open border for years. In response, the Serbian government provided free medical care for the illegal Albanians. Then the illegal Albanians started coming over in masses, creating an educational crisis. So the Serbian government provided free education. After a couple of years, plus more illegal immigration, Albanians started doing graffiti on churches, schools, etc, writing,”Kosovo is Albania.”
My relative concluded,”you Americans will have the same problem in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and California in a couple of years because USA has no border security.”
My point is NOT to justify Serbia’s violent response to the illegal Albanians living in Kosovo.
My point is only to correctly note that illegal immigration is a very serious problem facing the USA. And our law-makers need to really wake up.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 2:16 PM
This is the biggest piece of shit legislation I’ve seen in my nearly 30 years on earth, and we have to put our faith in the goddamn DEMOCRATS to help kill it.
It’s a sad day for America, it truly is.
Vyce on June 27, 2007 at 2:19 PM
Excellent point. Someone (humorously) said “ask the Native Americans what happens when you fail to control immigration”. Stated as a joke but it has a lot of wisdom behind it.
thedecider on June 27, 2007 at 2:23 PM
I have a couple of questions;
1. The vast majority of green card holders in the USA have no voting rights, the exception being some municipalities allowing votes on school board elections or local levies.
Would the Z-Visa holders be granted voting rights in state and national elections?
2. What would be the net effect on potential GOP votes if you add (dubiously) potential immigrant votes then subtract current GOP voters being chased away from the party by this legislation?
ne0365 on June 27, 2007 at 2:27 PM
GOP + Passage of Amnesty Bill = Whigs.
thirteen28 on June 27, 2007 at 2:41 PM
Do any of you really have faith, or trust, in any of these people to do what they say they will?
I’ll believe they’ll vote no only after they, you know, actually DO IT.
Vyce on June 27, 2007 at 2:57 PM
About Barbara Boxer: I don’t know if she’s shut down her DC phone, fax & email. I get a busy signal on the phone, but my email went through.
DO THIS: Go to her website (boxer.senate.gov/contact) and click on the link that says “Find a local office.” She has offices in San Francisco, Sacramento, Fresno, Los Angeles, San Diego, and the Inland Empire.
I called my local Los Angeles office, and they are answering the phones. Her official response to people calling about the immigration bill is that she has still not decided how she will vote.
Please … flood her local phone lines while they’re still working!
surfhut on June 27, 2007 at 2:57 PM
After the last cloture vote I am about as pessimistic as they come, but there is hope, and keeping the calls, letters, and emails in their face is our best bet.
All buttkissin aside…thanks HA and the new media for keeping people like me up to speed.
Limerick on June 27, 2007 at 2:57 PM
all they have to do to win back the love of their base and for Congress as a whole to improve its approval rating is to say, “Hey we’ve decided to secure the border first.”
Thats it. That simple.
For the life of me I don’t understand why our border security HAS to go hand in hand with amnesty. Everytime i hear the word ‘comprehensive’ i wanna throw up. We already have border security laws that are not being enforced so why would any new laws be enforced?
Keli on June 27, 2007 at 3:01 PM
Everything in the bullseye here folks.
Limerick on June 27, 2007 at 3:03 PM
I will let someone who is more knowledgable than me (like an Allah, or Bryan or Michelle) answer the first question.
Concerning second question:
it is clear that the net effect on the GOP is a huge negative. There are no winners here on the GOP side. Long-time and enthusiastic GOP activists are ticked off, and are trashing their GOP membership cards. Current GOP voters are upset. Besides, amnesty legislation will only result in a permanent one-party Democrat majority for years and years.
Let me be clear here. The reason why future sham-nesty voters will tend to vote Democrat overwhelmingly in the future is because of the following:
***those individuals whose very first action in our country was to break our laws tend to be the same kind of people who are not interested in the type of reasons or arguments or positions that the GOP conservative community has traditionally supported.
***future shamnesty voters tend to be overwhelmingly natives of Third World countries where socialism (and by default: anti-capitalism, anti-free markets, anti-entrepreneurism) is the “currency.” Those future voters, based on previous amensties given in the past, tend to support candidates who advocate bigger government, more taxation, more socialism type of policies. They feel more comfortable voting Democrat because Democrats tend to reflect their positions naturally.
***future amnesty voters tend to have no background or historical understanding of the importance of the Constitution.
I remember one conversation, where my friend said, “I do not think guns should be legal in America. I do not feel safe in America. In my country we do not have guns.” I replied, “you and my feelings on this matter or any other matter or issue is irrelevant and not the point. What is relevant is what the Constitution says.”
The point is that Graham-nesty-Hagel-Kyl-McCain are very quick in granting USA citizenship to illegal aliens who have no historical, cultural, or legal understanding of the importance of the Constitution. And these illegal aliens will be future voters.
Most Democrats are encouraging amnesty because they know the future voters will overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 3:07 PM
Classic case of the tail wagging the dog. I got to think that there is enough common sense in the Senate not to pass perminent status with Z-VISAS. I hope this show is just a case of Democratic pandering to their vote-farming crop, and Republican pandering to business cash doners. I can’t imagine any of those people really wanting millions upon millions of law breaking foreign nationals made permanent residents.
The country is getting too crowded for me anyway. If an immigrant can’t follow the rules, be gone.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 3:14 PM
got an email that says that Bond, Burr, and Webb all intend to vote NO on cloture tomorrow. Can anyone who’s called those offices recently confirm that?
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Ditto as of 3:10PM Both the DC office and Midlothinan Office of Webb, despite their disappointment the amendment did not pass, Webb is “considering all amendments” before deciding how to vote on cloture.
I stressed that Webb’s failure to vote against cloture goes against the campaign promises he made here and here.
DC Office 202 224-4024
Midlothian VA Office 757 518-1674
j6p on June 27, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Those who want to fight this fight using information technology, PRCalDude and I have created a project here:
http://code.google.com/p/contribminer/
I have the database table definition for holding campaign contribution information, now I have to parse all the data into such a database (we have one we intend to use already), then we can start finding patterns and calling people out for making amnesty such a big business!
unamused on June 27, 2007 at 3:17 PM
Is it just me, does it seems silly for the senate to propose a bill they know the House (on both sides) will reject?
Darnell Clayton on June 27, 2007 at 3:20 PM
In business you always ask for more trying to get what you really want.
tomas on June 27, 2007 at 3:26 PM
I remember the last round of amnesty. At the George Brown Convention Center in Houston they were swearing in thousands of amnesty recipients. The Democratic operatives were all over that place handing out brochures and making sure the new voters knew it was the Dems that got them there. I didn’t see a single GOP rep there.
In spite of the fact that every Latin American country is replete with corruption, I got to believe some of the illegals come here because they are sick of the lawlessness back home. Unfortunately, it looks to me like the lawlessness is on the rise here and our standards are heading the direction the illegals are comming from.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 3:30 PM
Hey, unamused, you oughta email Ace with that, I’m sure he’d put it up.
Bad Candy on June 27, 2007 at 3:30 PM
Question: how does that thing work unamused?
Bad Candy on June 27, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Does she live in SF? I can personally deliver a crate of lettuce to her lawn. Maybe the tea party should be a lettuce party.
Bad Penny on June 27, 2007 at 3:33 PM
Coltsfan sad as that is, I think its spot on. Whats funny is yesterday after the vote came in, many of us started reciting from the declaration of independence, the 2nd amendment, no taxes without representation, etc etc. (I know I probably went a lil overboard). But our founding fathers wanted the people to control the government, not the other way around. Its like they knew something like this could happen. People who come here and have no idea about the history of America or what the Constitution and Declaration mean, can never understand or appreciate those basic principles. And the way our schools are now, with their apologetic and almost ashamed history classes…gah don’t get me started on that lol
Keli on June 27, 2007 at 3:37 PM
Good point.
I have met some illegals who are indeed sick of the corruption and socialism back home in their native countries. But they are in the minority. The majority of illegal aliens do not have philosophical problems with socialism. And that is why illegal aliens-turned-future USA citizens will vote Democrat in large percentages.
The errors and bankruptcy of socialism, sadly, are not clear to most illegal aliens.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 3:42 PM
DeMint fight harder … that was weak … no passion
People watch American Idol with more passion…
ar_basin on June 27, 2007 at 3:45 PM
Anyone listen to Voinovich just now on Hannity?
Wow.
Darksean on June 27, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Yep. Voinovich is an @ss.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 4:04 PM
I did. Yep, an ahole who is going to vote for amnesty.
Blake on June 27, 2007 at 4:07 PM
Here’s V’s number: (202) 224-3353. Just sayin.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 4:12 PM
It’s fascinating how the pro-amnesty Senators are getting so defensive when we, the people, start questioning their votes. It is almost as if they don’t think we are smart enough to weigh in on these affairs of state!
Just heard Senator Voinovich on Sean Hannity’s program. What a trainwreck! Instead of admitting that he didn’t know what was included in the bill, he started attacking Hannity for “not understanding” the facts.
I say this needs to be a decisive factor in determining who to support in 2008. If the GOP continues to treat the anti-amnesty camp with the same disgust and disdain that has been exhibited by Voinovich, Graham (those loud people) and even GWB (those against the bill don’t have the best interests of the nation at heart)……. then it is time for the “loud people” to take the GOP back from the arrogant incumbent people!
highhopes on June 27, 2007 at 4:14 PM
Sorry, off topic for a second…But related to immigration bill. I didn’t see a thread for headlines so I came to the closest subject. That Tancredo-Chertoff story was funny as hell.
PowWow on June 27, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Hello! Long time reader, first time commentor.
I don’t see why we have to spend any additional money for border enforcement or really do anything. I am currently training soldiers for deployment to Iraq. One of the job functions of the military overseas is border enforcement. Why not rotate all the deploying units to the US/Mexican border for 2-3 months of training with the US Border Patrol? Instead of getting OJT while dodging IEDs, snipers and other nasty thing, why not get it from the professionals and get some really good desert training on the side.
Just a thought. Ya’ll owe Thad Cochran an apology! Also, what is up with the senior Senator from Lousisiana, Mary Landreaux (sp?)? The only other shocker would be if the junior Senator from Wisconsin had voted no.
God bless the United States! And remember the troops and their families in your prayers. They are the cream of the crop of young Americans.
Claimsratt on June 27, 2007 at 4:27 PM
Oh, I disagree. I think the damage has been done, for the next couple years at least. This single issue has pretty much killed the chances of a GOP takeover (or take-back might be the more appropriate term) of Congress in 2008, because there is far too much of a disconnect between the current politicians in power and the electorate.
You’ll see an even bloodier revolt if this nonsense gets passed. The ONLY way that the GOP can even win back a modest amount of support from its base, at this point, is to COMPLETELY excise the amnesty provisions, and just pass legislation that will be completely focused on border security. And then revisit the issue later on, after the new Congress is sworn in, after the 2008 election.
Of course then we’d probably be dealing with a stronger (in numbers) Democrat Congress, couple with a potential Democrat White House, which would ensure that amnesty would pass, possibly an even worse amnesty bill than what is presented now. But, ostensibly, we’d have some border measures already in place to at least try and curb the rampant illegal immigration.
Then again, we’re not enforcing the border laws we already have, and that goddamn fence still hasn’t been built yet.
Vyce on June 27, 2007 at 4:31 PM
The problem with illegals is that they have no history to defend in this country. Most of us can trace our history back to a ancestor that sacrificed to make this country great.
As far as the Mexican illegals go, their only history with the US is one where they are told that we stole half their country from them and that they have a right to take it back.
Concerning any illegal alien, when your ancestor lied and cheated his way into this country and took jobs from American citizens, how can you support the idea of the rule of law when your relatives did not? This is why it is so important for immigrants to EARN their way into the USofA.
That which is worked for has value, that which is taken does not.
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Did Voinovich cry?
Cuz if a squish like Hannity can do that, someone needs to get Laura Ingraham or Michelle and a helicopter to airdrop ‘em! They’ll really make him howl!
Bad Candy on June 27, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Here’s my letter to WSJ in response to their ridiculous “Immigration and the GOP” editorial today. (I note that they have not posted ANY letters in reply to this editorial…which probably means that they are afraid that the letters are more sensible than the original article.):
landlines on June 27, 2007 at 4:49 PM
Looks like the bigots told him to shut up.
Mike Honcho on June 27, 2007 at 4:52 PM
Ah, but Robbie is! Great piece of work.
Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 4:54 PM
Nicely done.
Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 4:55 PM
They seem to be forgetting that many Mexicans are of Spanish ancestry … the same Spanish that decimated the Aztecs and other indigenous peoples. They stole Mexico, now they’re trying to steal the U.S..
darwin on June 27, 2007 at 4:56 PM
I’m sure some of you are counting votes here, but the thing is, I don’t know if these “no” voters will vote nay on cloture, or if they are going to hold their water until the final vote, which is worthless.
Even though this ugly piece of shit gets uglier with every new disclosure, the true believers are going to vote for it even if it has three heads. They just don’t care.
PS surfhut, dude. Calling Barbara’s Box is an utter waste of energy. That f**king nutcase is so far left that she opposed the original bill because it was too tough on the illegals. No amount of pressure from the right is going to mean anything to her. That would be like complaining to Schumer…
Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 5:03 PM
This is the part that always makes my head spin. The US “stole” that land, so they deserve to take it back…yet, the reason they come here is because their are no jobs in Mexico. Therefore, their economic well-being is dependent on American “occupation” of land they don’t believe America should ever have occupied.
Obviously, your run-of-the-mill illegal alien doesn’t think about it on this level, but their political activists do. What a statement that makes.
Nosferightu on June 27, 2007 at 5:15 PM
I just called Nelson’s Capitol Hill office. The staffer says she doesn’t know how he’s going to vote on cloture.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 5:16 PM
Yeah. They don’t care to remember because it’s inconvenient to their rantings.
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 5:17 PM
Jon Kyl just said that a photo ID with no fingerprint is the best form of ID.
Whaaaat!?
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 5:18 PM
It looks like Kay Baily Hutchinson’s amendment went down. Surely theese fools don’t want millions upon millions of law breaking foreign nationals running rampant all over the place embolden with amnesty. I didn’t leave the republican party, the republican party left me. Now what do I do. I have become a stanger in a strange land. My poor kids.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 5:18 PM
Burr’s office is saying that if the bill stays in its current shape he’s voting NO tomorrow. If it makes it past cloture, he’s voting NO on the bill entirely.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 5:24 PM
I wonder how many Zorro visa’s have already been printed up?
moonsbreath on June 27, 2007 at 5:24 PM
I called both the Lincoln, NE office and the Omaha, NE office of Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE).
Both places told me the same thing:
“Senator Nelson intends to vote YES on cloture because he, by principle, is not an obstructionist. But Senator Nelson remains committed to voting NO on any amnesty legislation.”
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 5:24 PM
Maybe just for fun, we should all get behind Ron Paul. Boy, would that kick these mudheads in the teeth. Then we would see how much fun they would have when the veto pen slashed like a razor knife. All they could do is produce lip service instead of treason.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Or, I could stick a broken bottle up my…
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 5:26 PM
amerpundent
It looks like we are going to get the bottle anyway.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 5:28 PM
“It does not require a majority to prevail,but rather an IRATE,TIRELESS,MINORITY keen to set brush fires in peoples minds” Samuel Adams to all of us here at HA and those who really, really want to take OUR country back.
bones47 on June 27, 2007 at 5:28 PM
Yes, but by voting for Paul we’d get two.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Grassley is slamming Kennedy for lying about the provisions in his amendment.
From the American citizens point of view, these stupid sob’s are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. This bill must sink!
From their POV, we are just a bunch of dopes who don’t know whats good for them.
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 5:31 PM
Bond’s a NO on cloture, as well.
amerpundit on June 27, 2007 at 5:34 PM
I guess I’m not happy with any of them running. If Hillary gets in, I’m afraid I might explode. All 10 of the Republicans look pretty flat to me. Maybe Mitt, but Rudy seems like a one trick pony, McCain is out, Fred is lazy, and the rest are average. I like Newt, but he is not electable and I don’t know if he is an administrator. I need a white knight to gallop on the scene.
saiga on June 27, 2007 at 5:36 PM
Ain’t it the truth? Go read The Capitolist and you’ll see just how they really feel about us stupid constituents. It’s sickening.
BTW, I’ve emailed Larry Craig’s office repeatedly, letting them know that I will never vote for him again if he votes for cloture Thursday.
jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 5:41 PM
Same here, the only one who I know will vote no, is John Thune.
aclark on June 27, 2007 at 5:47 PM
They are still taking calls, thanks for the info!
Update as of 5:42: I just spoke to a staffer in Webb’s D.C. office who said he was still on the Senate floor so he was not sure yet what his vote will be in regard to the cloture vote tomorrow. I asked him to pass along the message that I’m sure Webb knows what his stance was on immigration when he ran, but I wanted him to know that we remember it too. I also assured the staffer that we are aware that a vote for cloture tomorrow is a vote for amnesty and that Webb, under no circumstance, will receive my vote should he vote for cloture or amnesty.
Keep calling! Apparently anyone can call, this guy didn’t even ask where I was calling from. I told him to make sure he knew I was a Virginia voter.
hollygolightly on June 27, 2007 at 5:51 PM
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