Fox News: Shamnesty collapsing, might be down to 59 votes; Update: Talk radio knows the bill better than we do, says Sessions; Update: Senate aides predict bill will fail; Update: 38 no’s?

posted at 8:33 pm on June 27, 2007 by Allahpundit

Cloture 2 is at 10:30 tomorrow morning. Count with me. We started with 64; then Webb’s amendment lost, which probably means he’s voting no tomorrow; then a surprise no from Pete Domenici; and now:

Late Wednesday, two Republicans, Sens. Kit Bond of Missouri and Richard Burr of North Carolina, told FOX News that they will switch their vote and not try to prevent the filibuster. One Democrat who never votes against cloture, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, also told FOX News that he will vote “no” this time.

“Enough is enough. There have been seven cloture votes I’ve voted yes on. This is an extraordinary circumstance. But enough is enough. … This clay pigeon is looking like a dead duck,” Nelson said.

That’s 59, kids, if Webb comes through and if Graham and Kennedy et al. can’t flip any of the no’s the other way tonight to make up for the shortfall. But they may have to flip an awful lot, because…

At least nine other senators told FOX News they are undecided or leaning toward a no vote. They include Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor, Jim Webb, Jeff Bingaman, Robert Menendez and Republican Sens. Ted Stevens, Lisa Murkowski, Pete Domenici, Judd Gregg and John Ensign.

The poetic justice of this is that the killer was an amendment offered by Grassley, Obama, and Baucus to loosen the verification requirements on employers. Supposedly, it was the only one of the new “clay pigeon” amendments that the White House opposed because it wasn’t tough enough on enforcement. It came up for a vote tonight and was supposed to be tabled, along with the other 27 amendments — except that the vote to table failed, 45-52. According to Fox, Reid could be heard saying afterwards that he’s “stuck” now.

How delicious if Bush is done in by tools who are even bigger amnesty shills than he is.

Stand by for updates. In the meantime, go see what the Democrats have been spending their time and money on when they’re not busy discovering the fascinating way in which emotional appeals sway human beings.

Update: Here’s what Reid means when he says he’s stuck:

Under Senate rules, Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, now can’t move to consider other provisions without getting the consent of all 100 senators.

“I think this hurts” the measure, said Texas Republican John Cornyn, an opponent.

Think Jim DeMint’s going to give his consent?

On the other hand, the Bloomberg piece says Webb and Domenici aren’t sure no’s yet but are “leaning” that way.

Update: The process has now reached the level of absurdity where David Vitter and DeMint are pleading with Mitch McConnell to let them read the amendments before voting on them.

Update: We’d better kill it here because suddenly open borders lobbyists are predicting 30 to 40 Republican votes in the House, which would mean Pelosi would have to come up with 180 or so Democrats to pass it. Out of a caucus of 232? Difficult but not impossible.

Update: The boss thinks the reference to talk radio here is a veiled dig at Voinovich’s pathetic turn with Hannity this afternoon. I think he was speaking more broadly, but whichever it is, it’s welcome. And dead on.

Update: It’ll go down to the wire, but it’s looking good: “Top legislative aides in both parties predicted today’s vote would be very close but would fall short of keeping the proposal alive.”

Update: Damn it, Lowry says Webb is going to pull the sham shamnesty two-step. 38 solid no’s right now; only 40 are needed to defeat cloture since only 99 senators will vote (Tim Johnson is still recuperating).

Update: Webb is enjoying teasing people with this crap, isn’t he? “I’m definitely a probably no.”

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ColtsFan on June 28, 2007 at 12:30 AM


amerpundit on June 28, 2007 at 12:43 AM

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 28, 2007 at 12:33 AM

Nice how that was overlooked, eh? Nice too that he basically said women go into the Navy to bag cute sailors (yes, I’ve said it before, but it’s so ridiculous that it needs repeating)??

hollygolightly on June 28, 2007 at 12:53 AM

. . Look at the blonde . .

DCA on June 27, 2007 at 9:38 PM

Trust me, I was.

– The Cat

MirCat on June 28, 2007 at 12:55 AM

This whole immigration(amnesty)bill is getting weird, We talk like our elected(we own them) officials are in a fish bowl and we’re on the outside saying things like “I hope they do this or do that” and yet they don’t hear us when 80% of americans would be happy with enforcing laws already on the books and hardening the borders not creating new laws they have no intention of enforcing any way. Our elected prostitutes(without the dignity of a prostitute)need to be more accountable to the people. OT, my first post here glad to be aboard, more free speech not less.

Dadzilla on June 28, 2007 at 12:55 AM

P.S. It’s not look at the girl/woman/lady, it’s always Blonde, Redhead, Etc. This is something that Muslim culture is clearly lacking and therefore inferior.

– The Cat

MirCat on June 28, 2007 at 12:57 AM

Webb is enjoying teasing people with this crap, isn’t he? “I’m definitely a probably no.”

The cynical putz. I used his cute remark as my subject line and sent him the following email.

I love a dry sense of humor in a senator, especially on matters that concern national security. So *definitely* you’ll vote for cloture tomorrow, and then *probably* vote against the bill on Friday (when it will pass anyway), because as we all recall, you were “Born fighting.” Don’t do it Senator Webb, as tempting as it may be. It is sleazy and a betrayal of the public’s trust. What is congress’ approval rating these days?

For a freshman senator who won by means of a race-baiting smear campaign (macaca anyone?) his malkins are as big as his head.

smellthecoffee on June 28, 2007 at 1:08 AM

I think the Republicans have been feeling the heat, a little anyhow. I got 3 “URGENT” donation requests to stop “The Liberal Democrats” from the party this week. Each time I get one, I write, “Finish the border fence, the $ will follow” and send it along sans any dinero.

gmoonster on June 28, 2007 at 1:12 AM

Unfortunately Voinivich is my senator so I have no chance of swaying him. I only pray that John Boehner runs for senate one day.

William Amos on June 28, 2007 at 1:22 AM

Non-amazing Fact #1: Voinovitch is one of the most pathetic useless Tools in the Senate in modern times

Non-amazing Fact # 2: Webb is worse than Voiny, after only five months, and is as Nuts as he often seems ( Good luck with that, Virginia )

……and Harry Reid is Beyond Description

Janos Hunyadi on June 28, 2007 at 1:39 AM

I need someone to explain something to me.

Why is the new Congress so keen on the will of the American people on getting out of Irag, BUT when it comes to Immigration they lay a big steamer on the will of the American people?

I think that someone need to tell these folk that they are PUBLIC SERVENTS. They serve the people not the other way around. They work for us, we do not work for them. I think that is there mentality and that needs to be adjusted

Just my 2 cents.

btw new poster and kind of upset with my party. >.

jharada on June 28, 2007 at 1:42 AM

Sessions wasn’t making a dig at the Senators.

He was driving in the spurs and driving them deep. He wanted to draw blood, and did it.

Southerners have a unique talent for saying something hurtful and making it appear as a ‘spur of the moment’ thought. That statement hurt those Senators as he planned.

Helloyawl on June 28, 2007 at 2:29 AM

In six hours they well vote
The senate will continue the legislation and pass it Friday to the house. There is no way that the American people can stop this. Trust me they no your to fucking stupid to stop them.

American8298 on June 28, 2007 at 2:49 AM

Things that make you say hmmmmmm:

Mexican illegal immigrant Jose Madrid, 28, said he has been unable to find a construction job over the past six weeks because of the crackdown, and hasn’t been able to send money to his parents and his 7-year-old son back home.

“We immigrants, we are leaving Panama City. People are afraid they will be deported,” he said. “The companies don’t want to hire illegal people. Now they’re only hiring those with papers.”

Developer Louis Breland is finishing the first phase of a $750 million beach condo project.

“Subcontractors could not function without immigrant laborers for painting, rebar and steel work. They are the best workers,” he said. “Without them, the cost of construction would be 10 times as much and nothing would get built.”

So an American worker makes 10 times that of an illegal?
So without the illegal the average American worker would be about 10 times better off and the average developer would be 10 times poorer. Hmmmmm. why is this bad again?

unseen on June 28, 2007 at 3:23 AM

I do NOT believe this is dead yet! The White House will be putting on the heat this morning on these idiots and I predict that enough of them will cave so that this thing will move forward…sigh!

sabbott on June 28, 2007 at 7:40 AM

You know, even if this whole shamnesty bill winds up dying the dusty death it richly deserves, it is still my sincerest hope that we remember the names of each and every RINO senator who pretty much flipped the bird at the people who elected them into office in the first place and went ahead and moved forward with this thing regardless of what the majority of Americans thought of this idiotic bill. Even better, let them all know that, just as the memory of the elephant who symbolizes their party, we too will remember what they did come the next time they are up for re-election. And I am especially directing this to the good people of Mississippi, the majority of which I hope are ready to ride Trent Lott out of town on a rail!

pilamaye on June 28, 2007 at 7:52 AM

Amen Sessions.

Vaporman87 on June 28, 2007 at 8:18 AM

There has been a number of threads citing the frustrations of Americans regarding their Congressmans’ failure to listen to them concerning the Immigration Bill. And the Fairness Doctrine is likely to be just as contentious.

Suggestions on how to get their attention in Washington have ranged from sending tea bags or lettuce, to withholding taxes, asking for political contributions to be reimbursed, etc.

I have another suggestion. It is completely legal and Constitutional. It’s also Patriotic.

In the interest of personal protection please consider purchasing a rifle. Any legal firearm will do. My suggestion would be an AR-15 Post-Ban semi automatic.

Since the expiration of the Federal AWB in September of 2004, these rifles are now illegal only in certain states. Among them California, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.

Check with gun dealers in your state.

All legal sales of firearms are registered with the Federal Government under FFL.

I believe it would be noted by certain Federal officials if firearms sales were to spike during the current “debate”.

It might even get their attention.

The 2nd Amendment, United States of America,
the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

there it is on June 28, 2007 at 8:36 AM

How old does one have to be to do that? And about how much does one of those cost (and ammo costs too?)

Dark-Star on June 28, 2007 at 9:02 AM

No matter what happens….I hope the ‘Hotair’s’ remember a HERO in this messy business. The Honorable Jeff Sessions has proved himself to deserve that title.

mustang1 on June 28, 2007 at 9:04 AM

Heard Sen. Voinovich on Hannity’s radio show yesterday. He has no idea what’s in the bill and an amendment that failed he thought had passed. He didn’t know what the Fairness Doctrine was and said he wouldn’t be threatened by the callers to his office. Also, he sounded like a Ted Kennedy clone.

These people are so out of touch with their constituents, it is almost unbelievable.

roux on June 28, 2007 at 9:37 AM

What is the problem with Sessions? I listen to him and he is understandable. It sounds like he has heard what the people are saying. Sessions has no place in the Senate because he is representing the people and protecting the Constitution of the USA. ….WAIT!!!!!!! That is his job, he can stay. Sorry, I got stupid there for a minute, must be osmosis as Boosh is in my State today.

Wade on June 28, 2007 at 9:46 AM

Specter: “Amnesty like beauty is in the eye of the beholder”

What an absolute moron.

WisCon on June 28, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Listening to the Senators on the floor right now is galling. It sounds like they are threatening to not do any work towards securing the border if we don’t accept the current crap.

JackS on June 28, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Listening to the Senators on the floor right now is galling. It sounds like they are threatening to not do any work towards securing the border if we don’t accept the current crap.

JackS on June 28, 2007 at 10:03 AM

What is next, they going to hold their breath like a spoiled brat?

Wade on June 28, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Thank you, fellow legal Americans, for all your hard work.

Thank you, Senators Sessions, DeMint and Vitter for your faithfulness to the Republic.

Nichevo on June 28, 2007 at 11:52 AM

I love Senator Sessions. All logic, analytical strength, and common sense vs. the emotional clap-trap of the proponents of this bill.

I live in CA, where apparently my Senator (Feinstein) doesn’t belive in free speech or the opinions of her constituents, as she once again made clear on the senate floor. Appalling to hear her comments about how “we don’t understand the bill”……a condescending plutocrat, and a 14 year failure in providing leadership on this issue.

nyrofan on June 28, 2007 at 12:21 PM

The fatman has sung !!!!!!

aniladesai on June 29, 2007 at 4:00 PM