Cloture succeeds: Where do we go from here?
posted at 2:05 pm on June 26, 2007 by Bryan
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The “comprehensive immigration” shamnesty is closer to passing through the Senate thanks to 16 Republicans who switched their votes from nay to yea since the last cloture vote. That doesn’t mean it’s the law of the land, or even that it’s out of the Senate yet, but it’s a good indicator that the Senate is listening not to the 75% of Americans who oppose the bill, but to the 25% who support it. And it’s a good indicator that those 16 senators who switched sides got some promise or incentive to do so. Why else would they vote to move forward on a bill that 3 in 4 Americans oppose? Why else would they vote to move forward on a bill that, thus far, the House seems likely to kill? What is going on behind the scenes to move so many democratically elected officials to vote against the express wishes of the voters who put them in office?
The Senate has a couple more votes on the bill set for later in the week; some of the senators who voted for cloture today will try the trick of voting against the bill itself in a couple of days, knowing that they’re pulling a John Kerry “I voted for it before voting against it” move. Some of them even know that some of us are on to the trick, but they don’t care: We’re a tiny slice of the electorate, and by the time they’re up for re-election there will be other issues at play that they believe will insulate them from our wrath. And they may be right about that. Whatever the ultimate fate of the bill turns out to be, by playing this bill in the way that they have, Republicans and Democrats, from Sen. Sam Brownback who wants to be president to Sen. Jim Webb who ran on an anti-illegal immigration platform only to vote in favor of cloture today, have severely undermined basic faith in democracy. We no longer have any reason to believe that a majority of our senators are acting in basic good faith. They’re voting against the will of the public, and they’re smearing the public that opposes their vote. The public has no reason to trust them anymore; they won’t enforce the laws on the books, they’re voting against the majority, and they’re supporting lawbreakers against the law-abiding. And for what? If life weren’t so good and comfortable in the US today, we might be at a genuine revolutionary moment.
But it’s not over. The House, all of which is up for re-election next year, will have to be more sensitive to the public will on this. That’s our chance, maybe our last chance, to kill this bill for good. What the Senate and president support, the House may kill out of its own political self-interest. If they hear from us.
Looking forward, President Bush would be wise to switch parties now. I’m serious. It may be the only way he can salvage anything of Iraq. He has spent enough political capital for three terms. He has isolated himself from the very base that has supported him through thick and thin for years. Not only has he isolated himself from us, he went out of his way to denigrate and smear us over a terrible bill that won’t do what he says it will do and will do what he says it won’t. Like the Senate Republicans, we have no reason to trust him anymore. Thus isolated, he can’t count on any vocal support come September, when the war is up for a vote again. The majority of the country is against him; his own base now has reason to mistrust and even hate him. Sen. Richard Lugar is signalling a Republican revolt on the war, and yet another move by Senate Republicans away from the party’s base that still supports the war even if it’s angry with the administration. The president’s actions since his re-election in 2004 have given the country a Democrat majority in Congress, so he might as well make it official and give the Democrats the White House too, by switching now. That surely wouldn’t solve his problems with the likes of Dennis Kucinich and Nancy Pelosi, but it might confuse everyone long enough for him to keep the war going long enough to at least see the surge through.
Looking ahead to next year, I’m loath to make predictions but it’s hard to see how the party gets fired up for anything. We put senators and presidents in office who despise us and vote against us. They fight us harder than they fight Democrats and even harder than they fight the country’s real enemies. Why get fired up to put them back in office? Why get fired up to put a senator or governor at the head of a doomed presidential ticket? The party needs a man on a white horse, an American Camillus who’ll make things right. But we’re unlikely to get that, even in Fred. It’s possible, but unlikely. Heroes are in short supply these days. We send them to Afghanistan and Iraq and promptly forget them.
So where do we go from here, over the next few days? We have to fight our own party leadership and kill the amnesty bill. This time we have to make sure it’s dead. We have to fight our own president. We’ll have to field candidates to challenge senators like Lindsey Graham from the right, if for no other reason than to remind them that we still have a vote for them to ignore. And we have to do it before the Democrats solidify their hold on Congress next year, and probably take the White House, and move to re-instate the Fairness Doctrine to squelch debate and criticism of them. That’s the coming battle after the 2008 elections: Whether the free speech environment we’ve enjoyed for the past 20 years will remain free or not.
We have some serious times ahead. We’re at real war with a real enemy around the world and we have to fight some heavy rearguard action here at home in the political arena. Now is not the time to rest; it’s the time to count our losses, choose the ground to make our stand, and fight.
Update: There’s a second cloture vote on Thursday.
The second, and final, cloture vote is coming Thursday (that will be to end debate and proceed to a final vote on the bill itself), and only five votes need to shift from Yes to No to stop it. That seems like a good bet, with good candidates for switching including Brownback, Bond, Ben Nelson, Ensign, Burr, and Gregg. If they thought they’d gotten a lot of calls and faxes before,…
Calls and faxes are fine but they don’t seem to be doing any good. We need to get the senators’ attention a little more sharply this time. We’re cooking up an ad to that effect.
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RushBaby on June 26, 2007 at 8:25 PM
Thanks..I have enjoyed HotAir for some time now and was happy that enrollment was opened again.
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unseen on June 26, 2007 at 8:30 PM
A good number of former Senators become lobbyists where they make more money twisting the arms of those elected after them.
Paul the American on June 26, 2007 at 8:40 PM
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 8:30 PM
I second your patriotism, your gratitude for this blog, and I salute you. And heartily welcome you, and the others who got signed up.
RushBaby on June 26, 2007 at 8:40 PM
make more money
twisting the armsbribing of those elected after them.Fixed it for you…
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Concerning the upcoming war against free speech. Now does anyone really care about Mark Foley or George Allen’s macaca comment! They paved paradise and put in a parking lot and you don’t know what you got till it’s gone! Well at least Country Western is the most popular of all radio. The message will be in the music. Anyone remember the commercial free FM underground radio stations of the sixties. They lasted a couple of years then sold out to Da Man! I think WMMR in Philly had its begginings in the underground. Its still on the air. So won’t you donate to my cause for radio free Florida? I’m behind the iron curtain man!
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 9:03 PM
Why the hell on this night where our country is under attack does H&C talk about a murder in OHIO? I mean yeah ok but who the hell cares? It’s not as bad as Hilton but it comes close. Get off the Air you dupes.
Oh wait Hilton coming up also…I don’t know why I even watch TV anymore. Fox is getting to be like MSNBC and CNN. give me a real news station.
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Can’t believe a Republican President and bunch of Republican Traitors will willingly screw their own country.
aniladesai on June 26, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Here in Pennsylvania, Specter and Useless (Casey, D-Iran) don’t even acknowledge a citizen’s communication! They are hopeless. I think Specter should switch parties too, it would probably help the Republicans in the long run to purge IDIOTS like him and his ilk.
Zorro on June 26, 2007 at 9:26 PM
16 minutes on hilton 7 cutts. 8 minutes on immigration. Is it any wonder we are in the place we are in America today. I do not care about hilton & cutts. I do not know anyone that does. Yet it gets more air time than immigration.
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Fox is gone the way of the every other media outlet. Perhaps they were there all along and I just wasn’t paying attention. As the cloture vote closed today I thumbed through all the news channels…not one of them had any kind of breaking news or alert showing. Instead it was all drivel all the time. CSPAN was the only channel covering it.
ALL news media are pretty much dead to me. Prolly gonna cancel my XM subscription…if it wasn’t for the bluegrass channel and Sonic Theatre I prolly would.
Pilgrim on June 26, 2007 at 9:34 PM
I’m thinking that maybe Todd Beamer and many passengers on Flight 93 may not have done America much of a favor by sacrificing themselves and sparing the attack of the Capital Building. We would have had allot of fresh faces to replace them.
Egfrow on June 26, 2007 at 9:51 PM
If you can’t beat them join them. Pedro more tea!
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 9:53 PM
I don’t think any merely symbolic protest will be effective; nor will I praise anything other than effect, effect, and effect. After McCain’s cutting into free-speech rights and working to dilute citizenship and representation, it seems that unless he is deprived of his office, the Senate will reasonably continue in the opinion that they can get away with anything. Yet it seems best that the Americans also seek to punish a few of the heretofore nameless moneymen who insulate and control the Senate. If so, it seems the punishment must deprive them of the use of their money and of every other means of taking revenge. Perfect punishment seems to be punishment that reminds “the great” of the foundation of political equality; that foundation is equality in weakness.
But I repeat that, unless the Americans make their families larger than Mexican families and muslim families, they can expect their country to be slowly annexed by Mexico or Islam, no matter what else they do.
Kralizec on June 26, 2007 at 10:17 PM
Oh, for crying out loud. Could we maybe refrain from saying things that people will hold against Michelle?
Slublog on June 26, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Check out the note from my senator here.
Warms the heart a bit, to know of the ones solidly on our side.
apostle26 on June 26, 2007 at 10:26 PM
Oh, for crying out loud. Could we maybe refrain from saying things that people will hold against Michelle?
Slublog on June 26, 2007 at 10:20 PM
Agreed. I would have been very upset if the terrorists made it through and tourists or American citizens were killed during an attack.
I am proud of flight 93 and the effort they did to save innocent lives. It was not in vain.
The picture I can’t get out of my head from that time is the Congress running for cover when a small plane went off course.
That about sums it up. The American people on flight 93 when the chips were down fought back with every thing they had. When the chips appeared to be down for congress they ran away.
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Fight?
Fight who?
With what???
For crying out loud! Americans are surrounded. We have nut-cases across the world that want us destroyed and now we have nut-cases RIGHT HERE that seem to want the same thing.
Our ELECTED officials just flipped us the bird. THEY RUN THIS COUNTRY NOW, NOT US!
We are NOT to reason WHY, We are to STFU AND TAKE WHAT IS GIVEN TO US!
Well……………….K I S S M Y A @ @!!!!!!
BTW, I do not care HOW MANY more votes there are on this. The fact that this issue has gotten this far should tell us all something. WE THE PEOPLE have been passed over.
Wonder where this country will be 10 years from now.
Talon on June 26, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Well hell, why would I want to reward the people who cooked all this up in the first place?
On a general note, How many CEOs these days are Republicans anyway? It seems as if all the big names with pockets deeper than the Mariana Trench are Dems. Even the Clintons went in to politics middle class and have come out filthy rich.
Why does this entire thing stink to high heaven? Vote out the Repub, get a Dem. That’s an improvement? Happier to have our socialism straight up rather than diluted?
Now, if we were all to vote in conservatives to replace the RINOs AND boot out the Leftie politicians, great! But, where are the names, the men and women who are ready and able to run? Bet the Dems have their list all ready to go, just waiting for the GOP field to be clear-cutted.
naliaka on June 26, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Any one else spot a pattern here?
Bolton, who served as undersecretary of state for arms control and international security from 2001 to 2005, before taking the ambassadorial posting to the UN from August 2005 to December 2006, said the failed handling of the Iran nuclear crisis was one of the reasons he had left the Bush administration. “I felt we were watching Europe fiddling while Rome burned,” he said. “It’s still fiddling.”
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Now, if we were all to vote in conservatives to replace the RINOs AND boot out the Leftie politicians, great! But, where are the names, the men and women who are ready and able to run? Bet the Dems have their list all ready to go, just waiting for the GOP field to be clear-cutted.
naliaka on June 26, 2007 at 11:14 PM
I’m hopeing after the dust clears everyone will come to his or her sences and realize the ONLY way to remain at all relevant on the political landscape is to stay in the party and unite against those elements within the party that run contrary to the base. We can do it.
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 11:24 PM
(hoping) sp
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 11:24 PM
I’m hopeing after the dust clears everyone will come to his or her sences and realize the ONLY way to remain at all relevant on the political landscape is to stay in the party and unite against those elements within the party that run contrary to the base. We can do it.
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 11:24 PM
The party will not let this happen. Look at the PA race. Look at RI. The party favors the incumbant over ideaolgy. even when that incumbant runs against the party for 6 years.
Hell look at Bloomberg. the Party should have banned him from the party.
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 11:29 PM
The party will not let this happen. Look at the PA race. Look at RI. The party favors the incumbant over ideaolgy. even when that incumbant runs against the party for 6 years.
Hell look at Bloomberg. the Party should have banned him from the party.
unseen on June 26, 2007 at 11:29 PM
There is a group of young Republicans in congress who I think we need to cultivate. We can get the likes of Santorum involed in the party too. This is something that will take time but to leave the party out of anger or discust is self defeating and lets down the rest of the country.
sonnyspats1 on June 26, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Your comment reminds me of Newt. I haven’t heard from him today and if there is anyone who knows how to lead a revolution, it’d be Newt. I think he did a fair job in 94 even though a lot of them were intoxicated by the power and ended up being no better than the dems.
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Oh I agree. i’m not leaving the party. yet. I am trying to change it from within. Hopefully once Bush is out we can do to them what the Bush team did to the Regean team. Push them out the door. The majority of America is IMO conservative when it comes to taxes, military, guns, religion freedoms, late term abortions, etc. The problem is the tie into Big Corporations. Yes it allows the Party to get money but it also pushes the working family away from us and into the arms of liberalism. I think we can be for free markets and for working families. It is the small wing (in terms of population) that is driving the average person away from the GOP. The trick is to learn how to live without the Big Money. I think with the information age we live in the Big Money is not has needed today.
unseen on June 27, 2007 at 12:20 AM
Amen!
I will remain Republican because…well it doesn’t matter I live in CA :(
CCRWM on June 27, 2007 at 12:47 AM
We argue that our troops are not allowed to fight a REAL war against a REAL enemy. What happens??? NOTHING. Rules of engagement ham-string our military and give the enemy a small but deadly advantage.
Same goes for the folks we have guarding our borders. Rules of engagement make them targets for the scumbags that operate in that area. Do not shoot until AFTER you have been shot. Heh. Works for me! s/off.
AFA letting down the rest of the country………..sorry. Please do not try to pass that off on me. We handed our guys victory after victory and what did they do with it???? They sold it. THEY let the country down, not us. When the power was in their hands, they squandered it and were summarily voted out. Now that the “people” have had a chance to see what they voted in, they are overwhelmingly unhappy with it. The old catch-22. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
You say that leaving the party is self-defeating. I say that voting for these idiots is the definition of insanity. That is, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result every time.
How about instead of putting “the party” first, we put THE COUNTRY first?
Talon on June 27, 2007 at 12:48 AM
All 268 million of us should pack up and cross the border into Mexico and demand that they the Mexican Government take care of us with food, Health care, free money for housing, etc. Not only that we need to demand any jobs that is available, must go to us the none Spanish speaking, Illegal Immigrant.
American8298 on June 27, 2007 at 12:56 AM
The Mexican constitution and government are very UNFRIENDLY to illegal aliens who invade Mexico. Check out the facts here.
Mexico is guilty of throwing stones in a glass house.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 1:14 AM
I think the Center for Security article is excellent.
Another excellent article is by Heather MacDonald.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 1:17 AM
I saw Newt in person last week and he addressed this very issue. If he will be leading any charges in ‘08 he won’t repeat the same mistakes twice.
Mojave Mark on June 27, 2007 at 1:19 AM
Remember what happened in Atlas Shrugged? Sometimes you have to let things fall before you can pick them up again.
Bryan, as an (ex?) astronomical/cosmological writer, I am sure you know what the Schwarzschild radius is. It is the radius at which, for a given mass, the gravitational force of a body becomes so great that it becomes a black hole. Once that happens, there is no known force in the universe that can prevent total collapse.
Question: How close is the United States (metaphorically) to its Schwarzschild radius? Is there anything that can prevent the ultimate collapse of our founding principles – and hence our very identity?
Personally, I don’t think we have quite arrived at the point of no return, but we are too dang close for comfort. And, the closer you get to that, the harder it is to go back.
Unfortunately, the way in which this bill is being “processed” takes us a giant step closer.
Herikutsu on June 27, 2007 at 1:19 AM
Clone them.
Agree 100%.
SUPERB post, Bryan.
Spirit of 1776 on June 27, 2007 at 1:26 AM
The behavior of our Senators is hard to fathom. There must be hidden forces at work here, and if they are hidden there must be a reason.
Scary stuff
Herikutsu on June 27, 2007 at 1:59 AM
Heh,
A friend of mine once quipped…
“Let the illegals come…once Mexico is finished sending their population (and everyone else that bribe their way past Mexico’s southern border) to the US, we can run down, slam the door shut, and start over”.
I am not sure if I wanted to laugh or cry.
F15Mech on June 27, 2007 at 2:08 AM
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Good call . Yes Newt is a great uniter. I’ll be sure to catch up on his thoughts on this vote tomorrow. I admit my motivations are a little selfish in that statement. I have a 26 year old nephew working at the State Capital in Tallahassee for a lobbying firm. He will graduate law school in December. I figured if some of the minors get called up to the bigs it might open a spot for the kid. He has political ambitions. More on topic. The chances some of the immigrants (post bill) will form a Latin Republican voting block are slim. I will say the Cuban community in Miami is heavily Republican. We also have Martinez in there. Just to consider all the options for a worst case scenerio, and turning lemons into lemonade.
sonnyspats1 on June 27, 2007 at 2:56 AM
I’m thinking that this may well change the entire complexion of the 2008 Presidential race. GWB and his buddies just thumbed their noses at 3 out of 4 Americans so who will stand up tomorrow and take the conservative lead. I’m betting he will pull a lot of support from both parties on this one issue and with the huge outrage in the Senate yesterday, the time is right.
Will Newt come forward to save the GOP from disintigration, will Fred ramp up his comfortable southern drawl and light a fire in our bellys, will Mitt finally take that damned “en espanol” button off his website and lead us from the wilderness, or will this issue propel Hunter or Tancredo from the second tier and into the lead, will Rudy discover that he is actually conservative on something besides the war? We need someone to stand up and lead us, to reunite this fragile conservative coalition that is the GOP under the banner of taking back the party and defeating this ShAmnesty.
It’s take it all or go home time boys, I’m waiting to see who will step up.
Buzzy on June 27, 2007 at 3:54 AM
Tea bags, a march, an unmentionable activity involving a high branch and a short rope, a 3rd party, boycotts, going after the funders–I don’t think a 3rd party works, no ropes, for sure. Seems to me the Chamber of Commerce is the bad guy in this picture. As for what to do, the bottom line is, whatever we do, we have to work a lot harder, like, as if our lives depended on it. And our lives do depend on it, right?
smellthecoffee on June 27, 2007 at 6:49 AM
Buzzy,
Mitts! “en espanol” button is hypocritical, but I believe his main reason for putting it there is because the LDS have a huge influence in the hispanic community as they are heavily involved in missionary activities south of the border. I really believe that he is not targeting illegals because of the basic tenets of his church.
On the other hand, shouldn’t all immigrants be able to navigate his website in english?
csdeven on June 27, 2007 at 7:50 AM
An elected rep that always follows the will of the people is the poll watching ninny without any morals, convictions, or ideas of their own. I would like to refrain from electing an Rasmussen/Zogby lapdog.
We are supposed to vote/elect those that we feel will represent us most truly. However, I have never seen a candidate that reflected my views 100%. At those points of departure, you must live with the decisionI made in the voting booth and trust their judgement.
I was a single issue voter for Bush in 04, knowing that many (most) other parts of his agenda were contrary to my own beliefs. My decision, I trusted GWB on the war and took a chance on the rest.
As much as I don’t want a poll chaser as a representative, I agree that when 3 of 4 disagree with a proposed law, that person in office is no longer representative of their constituency. I may become a single issue voter again and let those feel the hate in oh 8.
BB on June 27, 2007 at 8:53 AM
The Mexican Constitution states that:
• Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
• Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
• Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
• Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
• Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants)and hand them to the authorities.
• Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.
From: J. Michael Waller, Ph.D., is the Center for Security Policy’s Vice President for Information Operations.
Skok on June 27, 2007 at 9:32 AM
Just got off phone from Senator Burr’s office (N.C). Staffer (somewhat rudely) asked me not to call,(I’m from Texas) for they were being swamped with calls, and want to keep lines open for North Carolinians. Of course, I informed her that this legislation has far-reaching consequences for all Americans, and he has in his power on Thursday to kill this bill. She reiterated she could not talk with people other than constituents and that they again were swamped, and I said to her if the Senator had voted “NO” on cloture yesterday, she would not have had to deal with that problem.
texasaggie on June 27, 2007 at 9:44 AM
This is a very good question. Personally, I view the question in terms of “which states have gone over the point of no return,” and which states have not reached that point yet.
I believe California has already reached the point of no return. I think the evidence points that way.
ColtsFan on June 27, 2007 at 10:07 AM
I sent an email (OK, I sent 137 emails…) to Pansy Graham, and I guess I might have put in a South Carolina zip code, so that they wouldn’t just delete it?
So Pansy sends me a response with all sorts of links and jive about how the bill is this and the bill is that, and he’s “been listening to the conservative viewpoint” on this bill (Odd, that; I thought he was actually supposed to have a conservative viewpoint of his own. Huh.) and has made some changes and amendments to deal with our anal arguments about not letting MS-13 gang members become citizens, or people who have already been ordered deported, and maybe actually trying to slow down the unchecked flow of maggots crawling into the country, etc.
Mighty white of him, I think.
Jaibones on June 27, 2007 at 10:20 AM
I think there should be a Hands across the Border event…That would be a cool Idea. No kidding. What a wonderful way to protest.
tomas on June 27, 2007 at 11:23 AM
It’s time to boot these dogs out of DC, for good. I’ve emailed Larry Craig and expressed my displeasure with his vote for cloture, and to let him know if he does it again he will lose my vote. Period.
jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 11:27 AM
At this point, I’d be happy with 50%, or 25%.
These people don’t listen to anyone.
jdawg on June 27, 2007 at 11:29 AM
I am so mad. These damn, fat, rich, selfish politicans. I would love to do to them what the French did to their royality. Too bad we are so civilized. I am tired of being nice. Those who voted for this bill deserve at least that. Damn them to hell…and Bush I think some crazies where right about him after all…and God help the person that calls me a racist because I don’t aproved of this bill…
mag5435 on June 27, 2007 at 11:31 AM
My janitor (he is a resident) just told me that on Spanish TV (Telemundo, Univision, …), they are all ears as to when their following will become citizens.
ar_basin on June 27, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Repeal the 17th Amendment.
Enact Term Limits for both the House and Senate.
eanax on June 27, 2007 at 1:13 PM
Americans live in mortal fear of the IRS. If only a few hundred withheld their taxes from a government that no longer represented them (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!!), then the IRS could wreak havoc on them. But if hundreds of thousands - better, MILLIONS - of us refused to pay taxes, then there’s not much they could do beyond terrorizing us. It would cause a total meltdown in DC.
I, for one, would like to see the Congress squeeze taxes out of their precious new constituents. I’d thrill to see them raise corporate taxes on their donor buddies. Even still…are corporate taxes enough to float our government? I think not. They need us working stiffs to keep paying our taxes like dutiful drones, so that they can spend it as they wish and do what they want, with no accountability to the taxpayer.
Roger that.
Bricks, tea-bags, letters/emails/faxes that are recycled and never read - all symbols of our unwillingness to take any concrete action.
Concrete action = tax revolt. Concrete action = revolution. Concrete action = forcing recalls of all our Elected Things.
Any action we need to take to correct the course of our nation will be inherently RISKY. Our Forefathers risked it all to forge this nation - do we have enough of their fortitude to take risks to SAVE our nation? That’s the question each and every one of us needs to ask ourselves. Are we prepared to count the costs and take the risks? Are we willing to eschew our own comfort for the sake of our nation’s future?
Some courageous Americans will end up having to pay the price with their belongings, their lifestyle, their free-time, their freedom, and possibly even their lives. It’s exactly what our Founding Fathers did. They risked everything. If we fail to do any less, we are doomed - and rightfully so. The bloodlines of our forefathers will have been hopelessly diluted, and we are useless to ourselves.
Redhead Infidel on June 27, 2007 at 2:39 PM
My suggestion for the “TEA PARTY” is take the tag from the tea bag, with CLEAR packing tape place it one the message side of a post card, (no envelope needing to be opened) and write a one line message, something to the tune of “No representation of me, no votes for you” NO AMNESTY!!
Send on the the RNC and the Senators… Perhaps we should start on the Representatives right now…..
IrisLillie on June 27, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Just a note to those that believe voters will throw the bast***s out. Not gonna happen. Those that suckle at the government nipple are just about equal to those that do not. One simply cannot out vote them. Personally I would move to a state that had enough people with gumption to tell the Feds to stick it.
rockdalian on June 27, 2007 at 6:14 PM
I see plenty of good suggestions for how to deal with our moronic, lazy and probably bribed government. Right now I’m considering becoming armed just to keep that option open before it is too late.
But what if (which is likely) the bill passes and the resulting chaos ensues? What can the average Joe do to prepare for when the chaos hits their city?
Dark-Star on June 27, 2007 at 9:10 PM
Easy, we vote out the RINOs and put a real conservative in the White House in ‘08.
Two great places to start:
http://fredfile.imwithfred.com/
http://fredthompson08.mywowbb.com/
Dave R. on June 28, 2007 at 11:53 PM
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