However, if this is your answer…

There are no unacceptable answers, but apparently that isn’t good enough for the people here seeing as you’re all too afraid to answer it.

…it’s then time for your to answer your own question.

And that answer is…?

The answer is, quite simply and yet again, as few as necessary and the fewer the better.

Pablo on June 26, 2007 at 5:03 PM

The funny thing about that answer is that it’s a nonanswer (how many is “few” and what is “necessary”?). And I already answered the question you posed (without answering mine) if you’d bother to read the rest of my post.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt that many already know that militant Muslims have no qualms against sending innocent boys, women, children, and babies to blow themselves up in order to slaughter innocent enemy non-combatants.

William

You mean the question I got from the guy who didn’t even answer the question he quoted me on?

Are you fu**ing kidding me? The question has been asked and answered a kajillion times here, yet you like asking it endlessly for effect. The answer is, quite simply and yet again, as few as necessary and the fewer the better.

Now, your answer is….?

A moral question? Because morals detail the number of acceptable number of children we can kill?

Yes and yes.

You’re so full of crap and have yet to answer the questions others have posed.

I mean really, is zero the only acceptable answer in your mind?

You mean the question I got from the guy who didn’t even answer the question he quoted me on? I’m genuinely interested to see how many children people think it’s okay to kill to possibly kill a terrorist official. There are no unacceptable answers, but apparently that isn’t good enough for the people here seeing as you’re all too afraid to answer it.

The religion isn’t the problem. The people shouting “Death to America” are.

Esthier on June 26, 2007 at 3:03 PM

Agreed.

You just defined “radical”(violent) muslims as “crazy” and then went on to say Christians were also “crazy”. If you’re definition of “crazy” is a suicidal jihadist then I must show you the fallacy of your argument.

Guardian on June 26, 2007 at 2:22 PM

I don’t think Nonfactor’s definition of crazy is that specific. What was written is that both Christians and Muslims make no sense, not that they’re both suicidally waging jihad.

This doesn’t mean that they both seem crazy for the same reasons.

For example, people with green hair might seem crazy to some people, but not crazy in the sense that they’ll go Hannibal Lector on people and start eating human flesh.

Maybe Nonfactor just doesn’t like nonalcoholic karaoke and thinks Christians are “crazy” for supporting it, while thinking Muslims are “crazy” for strapping bombs to their children.

Really, the English language allows the word “crazy” to have more than one definition.

I have a problem with this child most lie how do I no I used to be one

American8298 on June 26, 2007 at 2:43 AM

Funny thing, so did we all.

However, it’s hard to lie about a bomb that’s strapped to your chest. He has no motivation to lie whatsoever. He claims his own sister worked with these jerks to slip him into that vest. Either he’s trying to get her killed, or he’s being honest.

I’m not snarling, I’m posing a moral question nobody here has yet answered.

Nonfactor on June 26, 2007 at 1:12 AM

A moral question? Because morals detail the number of acceptable number of children we can kill?

You’re so full of crap and have yet to answer the questions others have posed.

I mean really, is zero the only acceptable answer in your mind?

And what I wrote earlier was my answer to your insipid question. There’s nothing mathmatical about war. The good guys try to keep civilian casualties low but to cease fire out of fear of killing a child is not good.

It allows evil to sheild their deeds with children.

And to everyone else, why are we caring about Islam itself. The religion isn’t the problem. The people shouting “Death to America” are. Who cares if someone calls himself a Muslim and disagrees that his religion calls for him to kill others? Is it really our job to tell them they’re wrong?

Seriously, moderate Muslims are our biggest alley in this fight. If they can change their religion, we should be the first to stand beside them.

nonfactor

Crazy is as crazy does.

When did I say Christians were more dangerous than radical Muslims? (you compared the 2 ideologies) I simply said they were both crazy

(you then equate them)

You just defined “radical”(violent) muslims as “crazy” and then went on to say Christians were also “crazy”. If you’re definition of “crazy” is a suicidal jihadist then I must show you the fallacy of your argument.

Guardian on June 26, 2007 at 1:33 PM

When did I say Christians were more dangerous than radical Muslims? I simply said they were both crazy. And what does this have to do with the fact that you think violent Muslims are the only true Muslims?

Guardian on June 26, 2007 at 1:19 PM

I’m not “changing the subject” I’m comparing what you are saying to what Christians say about each other. I think both Muslims and Christians are crazy. I’m simply making an observation. Some “Christians” claim other “Christians” aren’t true “Christians”–who is correct? Same thing with Muslims.

Quite simply, I would say that millions of Muslims are mino’s in that they don’t believe any of the Islamic garbage but are too terrified to say so.

Exactly. But if you ask them, they’ll swear to Allah that they’re Muslim believers, and they’ll mean it. They are where the hope lies. They are why we’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan and why those places aren’t 99.9% rubble.

Nonfactor, are you taking a pass on that question upthread? And if so, do you see any reason why anyone should answer your moral questions as opposed to just ignoring you?

Guardian on June 26, 2007 at 12:59 PM

It’s kind of like how Protestants think Catholics aren’t real Christians and Catholics think Protestants aren’t real Christians either. You’re sitting on the side saying which is right and which isn’t.

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

True Muslims will never call you friend.

Qur’an 8:24 “O Believers! Answer Allah and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life [martyrdom]…. Fear the affliction and trial that awaits those who do not obey. Allah is severe.”

Qur’an 4:115 “If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger [not Allah] after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!”

“The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”

Right. So what are the rest? MINO’s?

(most Muslims I have talked with have never read the Koran or other Islamic writings)

MINO’s, then? How many of the billion plus are such?

Pablo. You mention mino’s. Muslims in name only.

That’s your characterization of them, Guardian. Again, you’ll need to convince them of that, not me.

Meanwhile, there’s a bell curve here. And if there isn’t, who the hell are we fighting for in Iraq and Afghanistan?

“Gabriel brings to the sun a garment of luminosity from the light of Allah’s Throne according to the measure of the hours of the day. The garment is longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and of intermediate length in autumn and spring. The sun puts on that garment as one of you here puts on his clothes.”

“When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings…. When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun.’” Lol.

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The Hell Fire complained to its Lord saying, “O my Lord! My different parts are eating each other up.” So, He allowed it to take two breaths, one in winter, the other in summer. This is the reason for the severe heat and bitter cold you find in weather.’”

“Then the Prophet said: ‘For the sun and the moon, Allah created easts and wests on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven. There are 180 springs in the west of black clay-this is why Allah’s word says: “He found the sun setting in a muddy spring.” [18:86] The black clay bubbles and boils like a pot when it boils furiously.’”

Of course Mohammed knew that if people thought about the idiocy of Islam, they would refute it. So he commanded this:

Qur’an 5:101 “Believers! Do not ask questions about things which if made plain and declared to you, may vex you, causing you trouble.”
Qur’an 5:102 “Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account they lost their faith and became disbelievers.”

Oh the hilarity. True muslims MUST state all of these as facts or they are apostates and we all know what happens to appostates.

Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path.”
Qur’an 87:10 “He who fears will mind.”

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

“The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
“I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Islam cannot change!’”

Jeez dude. Stop apologizing for terrorists. Idiotic terrorists at that. Islam is a proven lie. If a Muslim were to say that mohammed was wrong or lied about any of these things then he would be in grave danger. I’ve lived in Iraq off and on for the last 2 years. I’ve brought these subjects up with Muslims before. I’ve only received 2 responses so far. Denial that these verses exist (most Muslims I have talked with have never read the Koran or other Islamic writings)or a fearful changing of the subject.

Those that believe in Islam will tell you that they love death way more than they care about children.

Uh, no. There are those who will tell you that, but being a believer in Islam does not equate to believing that. Mansour Ijaz, Hamid Karzai, Kamal Nawash, King Abdullah of Jordan, and Irshad Manji are but a few examples. Steven Emerson is another.

Do you think these people love death and don’t care about children?

Now, you can argue that they’re somehow not Muslims, but you’ll have to take that up with them.