Inevitable: Some Democrats now calling for withdrawal from Afghanistan

posted at 9:46 pm on June 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

A.k.a. home of the “real” war on terror, the good fight that the left had been spoilin’ to win before Bush went and distracted them with that “fake” war that’s killed ten times as many troops. “You don’t hear people saying, ‘We need to get out of Afghanistan,'” declares Russ Feingold, followed immediately by a bunch of people saying we need to get out of Afghanistan.

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii), a senior defense authorizer, wants the U.S. out of Afghanistan immediately, calling operations there “futile” in trying to effect political change in a country with a tangled history…

“There is no useful purpose for our troops there,” Abercrombie stated in a recent interview. “The military should withdraw now,” he said, though he stressed that the U.S. could keep “isolated pockets” of special operators.

Instead of using the military to effect political change, the U.S. should have a complete diplomatic re-engagement in the region, “with an understanding that our role there should change,” Abercrombie added…

Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.), a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and a staunch opponent of the war in Iraq, said that it is time for the U.S. military to start leaving Afghanistan and the Middle East altogether.

“We are not securing America by being there,” she pressed. “The longer we are there, the more plots start growing in our country.”…

Meanwhile, several anti-war members, including Reps. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), stress that any troop withdrawal from Afghanistan is inextricably linked to the military’s first leaving Iraq.

“I’d like to get out of Iraq first and look at Afghanistan and if it does not work … we should be impatient,” Woolsey said, adding that she is not prepared to give a timeline for withdrawal. “There was a reason [for being] there, but now we really need to reassess what we are accomplishing. It depends on what our mission is in Afghanistan; if our mission is to find Osama bin Laden, that is one thing.”

It’ll be darkly amusing watching the Democratic leadership try to be Afghan hawks and Iraq doves simultaneously, on the one hand demanding a troop presence in Kabul to prop up the fledgling Afghan government while on the other demanding withdrawal from Baghdad so that we don’t have to prop up the fledgling Iraqi government. The difference, you see, is that Iraq’s in a hopeless civil war whereas the suicide bombs and guerrilla raids in Afghanistan by Taliban Afghans and Pakistanis is … a minor rebellion? Let’s call it an insurgency. Actually, the real difference is that Al Qaeda’s leadership is in Afghanistan, not in Iraq … although it’s actually not in Afghanistan at all, but in Pakistan, and of course top AQ leaders have been seen, and even caught, in Iraq. Maybe the difference is that Iraq has become a magnet for jihadis from around the region whereas Afghanistan is still basically a closed theater. Or maybe not.

It seems there’s still quite a lot of nuance to be parsed here. They’ll figure it out.

Murtha says he’s not ready to throw in the towel yet because we still have “a chance” of winning but he’s going to revisit the issue in September when they take up the next war supplemental. A sneak preview from the mind that brought us the Okinawa redeployment plan: “We should have never gone to Iraq, because we would have been out of Afghanistan [by now].” QED.


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I hear if we stick our head in the sand, our enemies far and wide can’t see us.

It’s unbelievable how these people keep getting elected. Put the cool-aid down. Leaving the Middle East would do nothing but leave the US more vunerable.

When can we withdrawl our troops from every country? It’s been 60 years, can’t we leave Germany and Japan?

VikingGoneWild on June 25, 2007 at 9:52 PM

US OUT OF THE US!!!

Defector01 on June 25, 2007 at 9:56 PM

I think the same way, which is why I don’t lock my car, home, or have an alarm system…to attempt to remedy the problem is just crazy. If that guy scratching his arm over there and leaning slightly to the left while he talks to “Buddy” (I can’t see Buddy)…if he wants something from my car…I figure if I just get it his way, all it’s going to do is piss him off…and you don’t want to make someone angry who doesn’t like you, because then they might hurt you…

Just let the dude take me over whatever barrel is in the alley…because fighting it just aggravates the situation.

Aren’t these the same people who think that having a gun to protect your family from a burgler just escalates the situation?

StoutRepublican on June 25, 2007 at 9:58 PM

The backbenchers drew the short straws. Their turn up to bash! ROFL.

RushBaby on June 25, 2007 at 10:00 PM

Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.), a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and a staunch opponent of the war in Iraq, said that it is time for the U.S. military to start leaving Afghanistan and the Middle East altogether.

Afghanistan is in the Middle East now? CNN seems to think so too.

forest on June 25, 2007 at 10:01 PM

And while we’re at it let’s get out of Germany, Japan and Italy. If our military can’t be stationed in countries where they’re fighting a real threat then why the hell should we still be in places where we aren’t?

US out of Bosnia. US out of Serbia.

Thomas the Wraith on June 25, 2007 at 10:02 PM

The U.S. should just leave the planet. We do nothing but cause trouble.

Fun trouble.

frankj on June 25, 2007 at 10:08 PM

US OUT OF THE US!!!

Defector01 on June 25, 2007 at 9:56 PM

A future slogan coming to a Democrat Party primary near you.

Liam on June 25, 2007 at 10:10 PM

Any place we can kill jihadis is a good place.

If only we did it with more resolve. And cunning. And less p*ssyfooting rules of engagement.

These dizzy doves don’t get that this is a global war against resurgent Islamic imperialism (killing infidels since 622 A.D., from Fez to Jakarta, Tours to the Gates of Vienna).

The sooner the West understands that we are battling with strict Islam’s advance guard (aiming at a “Restored Caliphate” and subjugation -or slaughter- of all infidels) the more honestly and intelligently we will be able to defeat this medieval attack on our Civilization.

And, as an ideological counter-measure, “The Recitation” (al-Qur’an) needs to be defanged by comparative-religious criticism done by our best philsophical scholars, archeologists, Arab historians, and Koranic text exegesis-experts.

The problem is not with Muslims, per se, but with violent and intolerant Islam.

Or don’t our peace-loving representatives understand the danger of documents that preach terror?

(They might like to know that “Jihad” means “my struggle“, which, in German, tellingly, is “Mein Kampf“.)

profitsbeard on June 25, 2007 at 10:14 PM

It just isn’t enough to lose one war, now the dhimmicrats want us to lose *two* wars! How the hell do these idiots get elected? Oh yeah, the enemedia and the teacher’s unions, I almost forgot. And when the terrorists attack us (again) on our own soil, who will they blame?

All the more reason to SEAL THE FREAKIN’ BORDER!

Tony737 on June 25, 2007 at 10:14 PM

Instead of using the military to effect political change, the U.S. should have a complete diplomatic re-engagement in the region, “with an understanding that our role there should change,” Abercrombie added…

They still don’t get it. They still think we are the problem and if we just talk to them, they’ll understand and go home. Maybe if we build more day care centers, they’ll love us. It worked for Osama, so says Patty Murray.

Mallard T. Drake on June 25, 2007 at 10:18 PM

It is time to pull out of Washington, DC. Despite an all-Democratic DC government, among the strictest gun control laws in the country, about the best financed schools in the country, and Big-Brother camera all over town, we’re losing the war against murderers and have the worst schools in the country. It is obvious we can’t win, so it is time to withdraw and let the natives govern themselves. Right?

Diane C. Russell on June 25, 2007 at 10:40 PM

This is as funny as when St.Cindy Sheehan called for the removable of troops from New Orleans after Katrina.

mlong on June 25, 2007 at 10:48 PM

I suppose it was only a matter of time. I guess next up is calling for a reduction in defense spending… Nuclear disarmament… I seem to have seen this movie once before.

major john on June 25, 2007 at 10:52 PM

No Blood For World Trade Centers!

Tantor on June 25, 2007 at 10:53 PM

US OUT OF THE US!!!

Defector01 on June 25, 2007 at 9:56 PM
A future slogan coming to a Democrat Party primary near you.

Some folks from the American Indian Movement (AIM) would like to have a word with you.

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 10:54 PM

Is it me, or are the Reps and Sens. from Hawaii consistently the most BS insane of the lot? I think Akaka (D-Hawaii) was one of the few Senators to have a perfect liberal voting record according to the ACU.

amnistitio delenda est

apostle26 on June 25, 2007 at 11:22 PM

WTF is wrong with these people? Somebody send ’em a white flag already. What a disgrace.

CP on June 25, 2007 at 11:37 PM

US OUT OF THE US!!!

Defector01 on June 25, 2007 at 9:56 PM
A future slogan coming to a Democrat Party primary near you.

Or at least Hawai’i.

Nosferightu on June 25, 2007 at 11:49 PM

I think it’s time that the Dems withdrew from any and all offices of official capacity. We can hold up on sealing the borders just long enough for them to leave.

sMack on June 25, 2007 at 11:49 PM

No wonder these idiots have such a low birthrate. Between the abortions and the early withdrawals, they are heading for exctintion.

smellthecoffee on June 25, 2007 at 11:59 PM

How long do you really think Murtha’s going to give this before he’s on board too? I can see this gaining momentum. Remember it’s only a bumper sticker

PowWow on June 26, 2007 at 12:17 AM

As soon as the Dems succeed in engineering a retreat from Iraq, we’ll be a grim milestone away from a similar retreat in Afghanistan.

rw on June 26, 2007 at 12:27 AM

I suppose it was only a matter of time. I guess next up is calling for a reduction in defense spending… Nuclear disarmament… I seem to have seen this movie once before.

major john on June 25, 2007 at 10:52 PM

That’s no joke. These are the same people who declared that there was a “peace dividend” after the Cold War – despite the fact that Russia still had several 10’s of 1000’s of nuclear weapons. If they can just end this War of Terror, they can claim it back.

Nosferightu on June 26, 2007 at 1:25 AM

*thud* *thud* *thud*

That’s the sound of my forehead repeatedly hitting my desk.

Is this the kind of crap these idiots float to see how it’ll impact their poll numbers?

flipflop on June 26, 2007 at 2:23 AM

Liberals. Is there any war they can’t lose?

ReubenJCogburn on June 26, 2007 at 2:52 AM

The U.S. should just leave the planet.

That would make for a wicked piece from The Onion…

Tom Doniphon on June 26, 2007 at 7:55 AM

How about if the democrats withdraw from congress

hinduconservative on June 26, 2007 at 8:00 AM

These people get elected because there are pockets of touchy feely people across the US that don’t like to face reality. That and they are so gullible they will believe anything that make the US the problem.

boomer on June 26, 2007 at 8:52 AM

profitsbeard:

Any place we can kill jihadis is a good place.

How about Pakistan?

(They might like to know that “Jihad” means “my struggle“, which, in German, tellingly, is “Mein Kampf“.)

What? Is it your contention that jihadis are cribbing from Hitler or the other way around?

rho on June 26, 2007 at 9:40 AM

Hmmmm…. should we trust a congressman elected on a string of islands in the pacific with military policy half a world away.

I’m going with no.

Nothing more than a bunch of left-coast anti-war zealots who can’t be bothered to go over there, unless it is to broker writs of surrender (ours) with Assad and Armageddonjad.

BKennedy on June 26, 2007 at 12:08 PM