DNC launches early attack on Fred; Update: Fred may have an Obama problem; Update: Fred on Rushdie
posted at 5:29 pm on June 25, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Preemption, baby: it’s not just for foreign policy anymore.
Democratic strategists say Thompson’s populist style and show-biz allure could prove extremely appealing in a general election at a time when voters are so down on Washington. So the party has launched a preemptive campaign against him that includes a DNC fundraising e-mail branding Thompson, “The inside-outsider.”…
“Remember the Republican culture of corruption?” the letter asks. “The revolving door of Republican politicians moving in and out of top political offices and Washington, D.C., lobbying firms? That’s Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson. For years, acting wasn’t the ‘Law & Order’ star’s profession — it was a hobby. In the real world, Thompson has made a fortune in a decades-long career as a Washington lobbyist. And just this month, as part of his role as the ultimate Washington insider, Thompson offered to host yet another fundraising event for Scooter Libby’s legal defense fund. Thompson has been vocal in his support of Libby, saying that he would ‘absolutely’ pardon him. As he runs for president, he’ll try his hardest to hide the truth from the American people. And we need to stop him. Support our efforts to get the truth out about Fred Thompson.”…
Another DNC research report sketches likely lines of attack on Thompson: “reliable supporter, defender of President Bush,” “staunch supporter of Scooter Libby,” “key role in Bush Supreme Court nominations,” “already has a flip-flop problem,” “ill-equipped for the campaign,” “a thin Senate record, questions of ‘work ethic’, ” “controversial legal clients may cause problems,” “lobbying careers full of land mines.”
Working to influence news coverage, the DNC also recently began circulating a “research document” with the headline, “MAJOR LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF SEN. FRED DALTON THOMPSON (1994-2002).” Then the page is blank until the line, “Paid for by the Democratic National Committee.”
Wouldn’t you know it, the attack comes on the very day the Associated Press decides to “look at” Fred’s past as a lobbyist. What are the odds?
Update: Star GOP pollster Frank Luntz A strategist for a rival campaign sounds the alarm:
“Fred is a concept, not a candidate,” says the strategist. “He is a vessel for what people want to believe in.”
Update: “God save the Queen.”
Update: I totally misread the U.S. News quote up above. It wasn’t Luntz who said that, it was a rival campaign strategist. My apologies.
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Lobbying Hogwash…..
As Fred! lists all the Dems he went to see as a lobbyist and tells the viewing audience….ask them what they told me.
Limerick on June 25, 2007 at 5:33 PM
If they’re putting time and money into it this early on, they obviously feel threatened.
Feel the power of FRED!
TheGoblinKing on June 25, 2007 at 5:34 PM
I don’t think this is a winning strategy with Fred!. One, if this is the best they’ve got… who cares? Two, despite the earlier article regarding Hilarity Clinton’s closet skeletons, does the DNC really want to compare Fred!’s résumé to hers?
Beo on June 25, 2007 at 5:34 PM
Shocked. Shocked, I say, that the dems would resort to the politics of personal destruction.
Grantman on June 25, 2007 at 5:34 PM
Fred!’s people should put out an ad with that “research document” on it, and then say: “A vote for Fred! is a vote for small government.”
chinotex on June 25, 2007 at 5:35 PM
Unfortunately, it’s all true. Fred will crash and burn. Sigh…
BJ* on June 25, 2007 at 5:37 PM
Now, Christopher Hitchens as the GOP candidate :) That would be something!
BJ* on June 25, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Fear the Fred!
bdfaith on June 25, 2007 at 5:39 PM
Yes, this just confirms how threatened the dems are by FRED
aclark on June 25, 2007 at 5:39 PM
I smell fear in the air.
mgtanner on June 25, 2007 at 5:40 PM
This reminds me of little kids on the playground picking on the peers that they secretly LIKE. They’re envious, threatened, cornered, insert appropriate adjectives here…
ophelia on June 25, 2007 at 5:43 PM
So, no Demorats ever engage in lobbying activities or make back room deals to help their buddies back home *cough* no min. wage increase for Guam from Madame Speaker Pelosi *cough*.
Neo on June 25, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Major legislative accomplishments? I’m not looking for a legislator. I’m looking for a president.
Tennman on June 25, 2007 at 5:43 PM
Interesting article about Fred at
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/20070624_The_American_Debate___Thompson_auditioning_for_role_of_GOP_savior.html
Doubt it changes anyone’s mind but geez he is being coronated already by many of the conservatives and hasn’t even announced, let alone debated.
Bradky on June 25, 2007 at 5:43 PM
LET THEM COME.
World B. Free on June 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM
“Remember the Republican culture of corruption?” the letter asks.
lol, DNC research
Is Art Torres running the oppo shop over at the DNC? They’re getting sloppy. I’ve already forgotten about the Republican culture of corruption. It’s been replaced in record time by the Democrats religion of corruption.
Dear heavenly earmark,
Please watch over my district. Shower it with ways and means. May thy appropriations bear a harvest of a thousand loyal Democrats.
Amen.
Oh, and Jesus, spirit, blah, blah, blah. Amen.
gabriel sutherland on June 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM
come on guys… he was still a lobbyist. To claim he is an “outsider” is hogwash.
libertytexan on June 25, 2007 at 5:44 PM
If the Dhims are already attacking Fred!, there must be a reason. Perhaps he’s the only one that presents a real threat to them.
jdawg on June 25, 2007 at 5:47 PM
Yeah, there’s no way high-level Democrats intend to go network with any of this. This is for internal fundraising use only. It’s aimed solely at the moonbat core.
Most Americans don’t wake up screaming from nightmares about another actor in the White House; the average American doesn’t have a clue who Scooter Libby is; and Hillary Clinton attacking someone as either an insider OR an outsider, let alone both, is a losing proposition.
They’ll wait a bit longer to start throwing every insult they can think of to see what sticks, and then shortly after the primaries are decided, they’ll latch onto whichever slur they think has the most sticking power and repeat it tens of thousands of times between then and the election. But that process really hasn’t even started yet.
The Democrats will be looking for something – anything – they can use to paint Thompson as “another Bush.” They’ve invested way too much political capital into demonizing Bush, and they must have figured out by now that George Bush won’t be running in ‘08. So the “inside-outer” crap is just gibberish.
And Scooter Libby is a trap. The Democrats would have to be idiots to start investing themselves heavily into that case. As it is, the prosecutor and judge are in position to take all the blame. High-level Democrats will be smart enough to keep distance from them. Unlike Bush, Thompson will be fully capable of eating them alive if they stick their heads into that noose.
logis on June 25, 2007 at 5:47 PM
No matter if he is an insider or an outsider, his charm will appeal to the center, especially when his competition has no charm at all, and all of them are already insiders to begin with. Fred, if he does not die before 11/08, will be the next president-elect of the United States.
jihadwatcher on June 25, 2007 at 5:49 PM
Objectively speaking, I’ve seen a lot of Nutroots types talk about him. A lot of them are seriously scared of the guy.
Bad Candy on June 25, 2007 at 5:52 PM
Is csd suing? They stole all his anti Fred talking points.
Buzzy on June 25, 2007 at 5:52 PM
And so it begins!
If the lobbyist and lack of major legislation in the Senate, and his “young” wife is the best they can throw at Fred!, I say bring it on! Ought to be FUN!
On a related note, the story earlier that his former lady friends, as well as his ex-wife will be campaigning for him, I think that says a lot about the man personally. I doubt that any of my ex-girlfriends, let alone the ex-wife, would have anything nice to say about me (there IS a reason they become “exes” in most cases, after all).
For that matter, if I were to run for office (yeah right!), I would obviously be a Republican, and since my wife is a Democrat, I wonder if I would even get HER to campaign for me?
JamesLee on June 25, 2007 at 5:54 PM
I took the time to read that article. It’s pretty much a regurgitation of the DNC talking points memo — with an Arthur Miller spin. Note the Fred Thompson (R., Hollywood).
How quickly the termites come out of the woodwork.
Tennman on June 25, 2007 at 5:54 PM
Eat em up Fred! Eat those dems ALIVE.
msipes on June 25, 2007 at 5:56 PM
Bradky, this “Fred Thompson (R., Hollywood)” told me instantly all I needed to know about the article’s author and how it’s going to play. But I read it all nonetheless. The Hardball example reminded me why I gave up watching C. Matthews (notwithstanding the fact that Chris might be in love with fred). A.M. Cox, the authority on all things sane…
Fred is “misunderestimated” to quote 43. That’s not to say that he’s perfect, as none are. He’ll make it or not, but not based on what the media have to say. They can’t even light a candle close to him, and his appeal to the people, right, left and in the middle. This should scare anyone who wants Hillary to win.
This time the candidates are mostly described by hypocrisy. It’s going to be a matter of degree of how much of it. I’m not worried for Fred on that account. One thing I look forward to, more than anything, even more than how he handles issues, is the smackdown coming from him and his on all sides, including his own. I don’t think we’ve seen this kind of a run yet and it’s exciting.
Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 5:57 PM
An actor from Hollywierd with a common sense message who believes in a tough stance against our enemies and smaller goverment!
Me thinks the libs are have awful flashbacks to 1980.
That is piss running down their legs folks!
conservnut on June 25, 2007 at 5:57 PM
Ha! I beat you by three minutes. GMTA
Tennman on June 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM
If you read the News story Allah links to it looks like a DNC staffer wrote and told the AP to post their memo into the system as straight news. I was laughing at how obvious an attack the piece was, and this was labeled an opinion piece. Way to go AP!
jasoneverts on June 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Liberal help here please! Does this mean he really doesn’t want to pardon Scooter? Just sayin’….
kjspeedial on June 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM
Tennman on June 25, 2007 at 5:59 PM
You’re welcome :)
Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 6:01 PM
Liberals have a dozen spokesactors on TV at any given hour of the day or night. And now they say they’re deeply concerned that the very most weak-minded members of the public will be swayed like rats to the Pied Piper by the Svengali-like power of someone like Fred Thomas….
But stop and think about this for a second. Just who are the liberals worried about here? Would they be complaining if they were afraid Thompson would steal REPUBLICAN voters?
logis on June 25, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Wait, how are being a lobbyist and lack of experience minor things? Especially the lobbyist part. Republicans should be the first ones attacking him for this (the Democrats are just being hypocrits).
libertytexan on June 25, 2007 at 6:04 PM
I smell blood in the water… but it’s not Fred’s
vulcannomad on June 25, 2007 at 6:05 PM
Entelechy and Tenman,
Thanks for taking the time to read it. Just thought it was interesting, particular the part about how he “reshaped” his image in his senate campaign. Brings to mind the “alpha male” Gore. Must be a Tennessee thing….
I won’t personally crown anyone as the next Reagan until they are done with their time in office and can gauge their accomplishments. And Fred’s performance in the campaign and debates is what I am really interested in.
Tenman I hope you noted that I didn’t feel the need to call you a name simply because we may not agree.
Bradky on June 25, 2007 at 6:09 PM
Like I said on an earlier thread, it continues to amaze me how much fear Fred! seems to be invoking in the DimLefties, the old media and RINOs. I’ve seen this before (and believe me, I am not making any other comparisons between the two) back when RWR was running for president – the Dims and the media trying to brush him off as a political lightweight (just an actor) and a loose cannon cowboy (we can’t trust him with the nuclear “button”) and the RINOs questioning his conservative bona-fides in an effort to keep their power.
When a candidate comes along that scares those three groups that much, he’s going to have to screw it up royally to keep me from supporting him. Especially when the other Republican frontrunners look more and more like Larry, Moe and Curly every day.
governmentdrone on June 25, 2007 at 6:11 PM
There’s nothing wrong with being a lobbyist… it’s just a job where you can make good money. And… who cares about his “young” wife (especially since she isn’t actually young)? What lack of experience? You wanna talk about lack of experience you talk about Obama…. gee whiz, the guy is in the Senate for 4 years and thinks he’s a shoe in for president…. please….
As far as his Senatorial record, that ad is full of junk. Anyone can look at the record, he actually voted! Unlike good ol Waffles who has hardly been around to vote most of the time he’s been in office.
It’s easier to lie about a person in a campaign ad and have to print a retraction (which doesn’t get circulated) than it is to tell the truth from the beginning. The lie is half way around the world before the truth can even get out of the gate. (I’m probably quoting MM, but not sure)
j_ehman on June 25, 2007 at 6:13 PM
These are the odds.
Good Lt on June 25, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Next thing you know, they’ll tell us he has no gravitas.
Some questions:
Does the “great moderate middle” really even know what lobbying is – or think much about it? Is there wide spread antipathy among the population for Scooter Libby? Do most real people measure a legislator’s value by how much legislation he writes? Wouldn’t it be cool to start all press conferences with that Law-and-Order “dunk-dunk” sound?
Coyote D. on June 25, 2007 at 6:15 PM
I love it when politicians accuse other politicians of being corrupt. Oh, it’s just so damn funny.
reaganaut on June 25, 2007 at 6:17 PM
I’m not sure why anyone would consider Fred! an outsider. He’s been active in one shape or fashion since he left the Senate back in the day.
I think the Dhim\AwtP pre-emptive attack is a paper tiger that Fred! can certainly shred.
Pilgrim on June 25, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Bradky, I agree with all you wrote on June 25, 2007 at 6:09 PM.
Fred Thompson is not RR and all who claim so are full of hot air. He will rise or fall on his own. It will be very interesting, to say the least. Regards,
Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 6:18 PM
Ahhhh, Fred! The DNC is attacking you already?
Makes me even more HOT for you!
Hey, light my cigarette, would you?
SouthernPride on June 25, 2007 at 6:20 PM
I forget… are we talking about Hillary…. Obama… or… nah, nevermind. Go FRED!
Califemme on June 25, 2007 at 6:22 PM
LOL! Well, if you feel you need to, you have my permission to call me anything you want.
Tennman on June 25, 2007 at 6:22 PM
“Fred is a concept, not a candidate,” says the strategist. “He is a vessel for what people want to believe in.”
Respectfully, Luntz didn’t say that…the unnamed ‘rival pollster’ did.
TheGoblinKing on June 25, 2007 at 6:24 PM
Even Fred’s ex-wife dosen’t have a bad word to say about him.
GO, FRED GO!!!!
Paul the American on June 25, 2007 at 6:27 PM
They are shakin’ in their boots already! I LOVE it!
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2007 at 6:28 PM
I have it on good authority that Fred initiated the investigations that led to the Sopranos demise.
Bradky on June 25, 2007 at 6:30 PM
Well, it’s pretty bad when the DNC has to expose freddie for what he is. Well, at least the groupies will have someone else to spew their loony personal attacks against.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Please say that those aren’t the first 31 words of the next 10,000 word manifesto! :)
Bradky on June 25, 2007 at 6:33 PM
maybe he isnt an outsider but he is our beloved Fred!
i am officially putting a jihad on the dnc, and if u dont like it ill put a jihad on u too
bagadeez04 on June 25, 2007 at 6:33 PM
Go Fred!
congsan on June 25, 2007 at 6:37 PM
so fred has been vocal, but hes trying to hide it?
..ow.
my brain.
triple on June 25, 2007 at 6:37 PM
OH.MY.GOSH!!
Screw 600,000 Americans citizens fred?? Say it ain’t so!!
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 6:37 PM
This was my first instinct regarding Mr. Thompson’s candidacy.
I generally agree with much Luntz has to say, however, he’s way off the mark here.
Every Fred! podcast I hear, my reaction is one of relief that a major player in the race of 2008 is articulating many of my own views regarding the issues of the day.
I don’t like the concept of Fred; I like what the man has to say.
I can’t be the only one.
Citizen Duck on June 25, 2007 at 6:38 PM
Luntz doesn’t say that. A pollster for a rival campaign – I presume republican – says that.
lorien1973 on June 25, 2007 at 6:38 PM
I doubt it, but it’ll depend on just how childish the groupies get in their personal attacks.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 6:39 PM
Thank you lorien, and others above. It’s not Mr. Luntz who said that. It’s an opposing (conservative’s) strategist.
Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 6:40 PM
Note to oldies and newbies. Be nice to csdeven – best strategy – ignore for now.
Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Yes, he did some lobbyist work, yes the Dems will try to use that against him… but how effective would that be given that Hillary is their most probable nominee? At some point she’ll be pressured to release her tax records (she’s refused thus far). Does anyone think there won’t be some additional skeletons to add to her overflowing closet there?
Rudy’s namesake law firm did some lobbying too for the dreaded Big Oil (including Citgo)- he couldn’t effectively use the issue against Fred either. Romney? Guess where he’s getting a lot of his campaign money…
The “OMG he was a lobbyist” tactic failed against him when he ran for Senate, it’ll likely fail when he runs for President- especially given who he’d be up against.
Hollowpoint on June 25, 2007 at 6:41 PM
Yeah, it wasn’t Frank that said that, but anyone who listens to Frank, knows that he isn’t fooled by freds? BS either.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 6:45 PM
You are so right. Lifting the lid off a 55 gallon pot of spaghetti and trying to isolate the Fred Noodle with a pair of tweezers will be slippery business at best, and a lot of pasta is going to land on the floor.
RushBaby on June 25, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Let me fix that for you:
Note to oldies and newbies. Ignore csdeven- don’t give him the attention he so desperately craves after a neglected childhood. Otherwise just treat him like the mindless, neurotic troll that he’s become.
Hollowpoint on June 25, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Seeing as most people in the middle vote on appeal whats’s the problem? Hilary vs. Fred who is more appealing? Lunz made an counterintuitive analysis on CSPAN after the Dems cleaned up in 2006. He left out the fact that the Dems ran on a conservative populist platform avoiding any association with amnmesty at all and emphasising border security. He made it seem as if Dems were elected to enact a liberal platform, well we know quite the opposite happened, the Blue Dogs have effectively nuetered the liberal agenda. The country is trending conservative, the D or R does not matter.
Theworldisnotenough on June 25, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Ooooh – the “Inside Outsider” — that ought to work! This reminds me of their unveiled slogan last spring – 6 and 6 in o6 — ie 666 – they ditched that and went back to Culture of Corruption.
Well, he can’t be all concept – he’s embraced the internet – new media like no other so.
Topsecretk9 on June 25, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Fred! was a lobbyist – Egads, no!
Fred! knows his way around Washington DC – I’m appalled!!
Fred! wants Scooter Libby pardoned – heaven forefend!!!
I believe Fred! has driven the Dems to the Hershey Highway headed towards election ‘08.
They can “run”, but they can’t hide!
omnipotent on June 25, 2007 at 6:50 PM
Note to newbies and oldies….don’t engage in personal attacks against me because I don’t buy into freds? BS, and you’ll get an honest debate.
The fred? groupies have come to the conclusion that if they can’t defend freds? faults and attacking me makes them look childish, then the best course of action is to ignore me. Something they did not come to realize themselves. I had to point out they had that option.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 6:51 PM
I don’t think every Democratic attack is a proclamation of fear, its probably just, you know, a political attack.
Sure Fredheads, tell me its cause Fred hasn’t even announced and they’re attacking him out of fear.
Or it could be, since Fred hasn’t announced, he isn’t going to and they just want to make sure if he does, they’re on the record as having a dirt machine on him.
Fred supposedly has a big announcement tomorrow. Will he keep us waiting, declare he’s a sellout, or get into this. Or perhaps he’ll make an announcement that he’s postponing an important announcement until a week from Tuesday.
In other words: Don’t get your hopes up, Fredheads. Every move by every candidate or party that brings up your candidate’s past is not an indication of fear. That isn’t blood you smell in the water, it’s your own overconfidence.
BKennedy on June 25, 2007 at 6:51 PM
I’ve been listening to Fred for a couple months now. I am waiting patiently to see his official campaign platform. If his platform resembles his recent soundbites in the media then and only then will I become a FRED HEAD.
Please don’t fail us now FRED!
dddave on June 25, 2007 at 6:52 PM
That’s a flat out lie- in your hundreds of anti-Fred posts, I’ve yet to see you engage in anything remotely close to honest debate, preferring instead to cry “liar, man whore, faker” and ignoring any reasonable counterpoint.
Hollowpoint on June 25, 2007 at 6:58 PM
Careful, folks, careful. Just because the Dem droids are on the (fairly stupid) attack doesn’t make Fred a de facto hero.
It’s nice he went to Britain, by the way, but we have far more serious problems here at home; I’d much prefer to see him write — repeatedly, and not just now and then — on the war in Iraq and the shamnesty bill.
Nichevo on June 25, 2007 at 6:58 PM
Let the DNC waste their money, no one’s listening anyway as the election is sixteen months away. The only people that care this early are us and we know the truth. Fred said one term and he held that position for 6 years and retired. Can a Demonrat ever say that?
warpmine on June 25, 2007 at 6:58 PM
God save the queen….
The taxation without representation “thing”?
Sounds to me like freds? fund raising might not be going too well. Or something isn’t going too well. He’s starting back into the folksy talk designed to froth up the fredheads.
It’s getting old and is sounding more fake as time goes on. He needs to stop while he’s got a smidgen of credibility left.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Thanks for the good laugh CS!!
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Sigh… if you knew anything about the asbestos issue.. and the legal system… then you’d know that the trust fund would actualy give more money to the actualy victims than all the lawsuits…
By the time all the lawyers get paid, because these are mostly on spec… the victims get very little money, but lawyers… like… oh… Silky Pony… get rich…
Romeo13 on June 25, 2007 at 7:14 PM
CS, maybe you should take your own advice and….stop.
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Nah, let the dejected lover rant. It’ll be cathartic for her.
omnipotent on June 25, 2007 at 7:21 PM
It is rather amusing…would you concur?
heatherrc77 on June 25, 2007 at 7:31 PM
You’d think that serving as the counsel to the Watergate Hearings, one might get a pass from the Democrats.
I thought investigating President Nixon granted one the permanent moral authority scepter in Democrat circles.
gabriel sutherland on June 25, 2007 at 7:34 PM
BIG RUMORS here in Nashville today about Fred’s visit tomorrow
He is flying in and his people are being very tightlipped but it is thought he is choosing a campaign HQ location. Much BIGGER is the rumor he is going to announce next week on July3rd! RUN FRED!!
labwrs on June 25, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Actually he was a Senator for 8 years, but you raise a both a legitimate point and one of Fred’s weaknesses. As much as I’m turned off by the unabashed “say anything to get elected” over-ambitious persona of Hillary and Romney, I’d like to see a little more passion out of Fred! to help overcome the “lazy” charge.
Fred! isn’t perfect (lack of leadership in the Senate, McCain-Feingold, lack of executive experience), and we should expect him to make the occasional stumble; however he still has the best combination of conservative credentials and electability in the race, and barring unforseen developments he’s the best choice in my opinion. Let’s face it- almost every election comes down to a choice in lesser of evils.
After Bush’s ineffectiveness and/or unwillingness to forward conservative principles, I simply won’t vote for RINO Rudy, FlipFlop Mitt or Maverick McCain. Living with a President Hillary would be a nightmare, but no worse than continuing to watch the Republican party turn into the center-left party, thus freeing the Dems to govern like the European Socialists they so admire.
Hollowpoint on June 25, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Wholeheartedly.
omnipotent on June 25, 2007 at 7:48 PM
I believe it’s your irrational personal attacks that are inspiring people to see you as unhinged. Keep the horse in front of the cart, k?
Pablo on June 25, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Flip Flop Mitt as opposed to Gum Flap Fred?
If Mitt can be slighted for anything, it’s willing to compromise his values too much to get elected in Massachusetts. He made a few promises vis-a-vis the Pro-choicers who run Massachusetts, and managed to temporarily save us from destroying ourselves. He was a strong conservative in office even by Souther standards.
Sorry he can’t be like those nice Southern boys who had conservative activism handed to them by the legislature. Southerners only have to throw conservatives a bone every once in a while to be considered authentic, Mitt actually had to fight liberals every day.
BKennedy on June 25, 2007 at 7:52 PM
Since the victims ARE the VICTIMS shouldn’t THEY get to decide and not the people who are liable for making them VICTIMS in the first place?
So, you agree that freddie boys has some serious issues that you can’t defend him on. Good. That’s a start.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 7:55 PM
nd
sonnyspats1 on June 25, 2007 at 8:07 PM
OH not the delete button
sonnyspats1 on June 25, 2007 at 8:07 PM
If you keep feeding the troll you lend it credibility. If you stop feeding it, it will look elsewhere for the attention it craves.
Sammy316 on June 25, 2007 at 8:11 PM
Well, that’s another one who cannot defend freds? checkered history.
csdeven on June 25, 2007 at 8:17 PM
csd isn’t a troll….best way to describe him is focused….yeah, that’s it….focused. He is as red state as most here, but something about Fred! puts a burr in his shorts.
Limerick on June 25, 2007 at 8:17 PM
So the DNC is gearing up their attack machine and distributing their talking points, eh? More than a year before the General Election?
Fred! doesn’t have to bother making an official announcement now. The DNC has just made him officially official.
This is going to be a looooong election cycle…. (Gore-inspired lawsuits by HRC’s camp notwithstanding)
Dave Shay on June 25, 2007 at 8:22 PM
Bullsh*t.
Its reasons for its continued trolling are as disingenuous as its arguments.
If it hates Fred Thompson so much then maybe it should just choose to comment on other subjects.
All it is doing anymore is trolling for a response. That is the definition of a troll.
Sammy316 on June 25, 2007 at 8:23 PM
Exactly right. Generally, conservatives prefer a smaller, less intrusive government. When I see a Senator who tries to kill every bill that gets near him except funding the military, securing the borders, controlling immigration, and other funtions properly performed by the federal government, he’s the guy for me.
According to some, passage of the current immigration reform bill would be considered a legislative accomplishment. I call those people liberals.
Federalism is the base on which the conservative movement is built. People who want to see the legislature “accomplish something” are not conservatives. They are nanny-staters who expect the federal government to be all things to all people. The DNC’s blank list of legislative accomplishments for Fred Thompson really makes him more attractive to me.
jaime on June 25, 2007 at 8:23 PM
So… you’re convinced he compromised his own principles to run for governor and senator, but now believe that his current postions are his true ones? Some endorsement.
I’m not sure a “strong conservative…even by Southern standards” would be so gung-ho in favor of gun control and abortion in addition to doubling or even quadrupling state fees. He’s already come out in favor of Big Government health care and education.
Given his flip-flops, record during his one-term stint in MA and untruths about being a lifelong hunter and when and how his pro-life conversion took place, he can’t be trusted to be a reliable conservative… because he isn’t.
Hollowpoint on June 25, 2007 at 8:26 PM
The August debate will finalize this whole argument. Either Fred! will stand up to the plate and prove he can take the heat, or he won’t. This ‘attack’ by the DNC is just a feeler. They have had months to build up their strategies against Mitt, Rudy, and McCain. Fred! coming out of the mist caught them asleep and now they are looking what is best to derail him.
Limerick on June 25, 2007 at 8:31 PM
Limerick on June 25, 2007 at 8:17 PM
csd and myself bump heads over Fred and I can’t help but dig the spurs in once in a while but I have to agree he’s a solid conservative and I value his posts here on HA. Certainly no troll.
Buzzy on June 25, 2007 at 8:34 PM
Liberal help here please! Does this mean he really doesn’t want to pardon Scooter? Just sayin’….
I don’t claim to be an expert at liberalspeak, but I’ll give it a try. The trick is to think about everything completely ass-backwards. Don’t look at the words and try to figure out what they mean. Instead, assume that the person saying them is infinitely evil, and then just do whatever it takes to make the words fit that template.
In this case, it’s pretty obvious: By clearly stating his exact position in absolutely no uncertain terms, Thompson is effectively LYING because he’s trying to conceal from us the true depths of how secretive he’d really like to be.
logis on June 25, 2007 at 8:35 PM
This is my gut feeling about the man. As President he would never hold his finger in the air to check which way the wind was blowing, but he wouldn’t hesitate to point to where the smoke was coming from. I believe that is exactly the kind of man we hoped GW was. We don’t want to get burned again so we all are being cautious. Good for us.
Limerick on June 25, 2007 at 8:45 PM
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