Audio: John Gibson versus Peter “At least Hitler and Stalin meant well” Mehlman

posted at 8:16 pm on June 25, 2007 by Allahpundit

The guy’s a lightweight. End of story. Thanks to Emma for sending us the clip.

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Of course they meant well. The Nazis and Communists were both socialists.

Hm. There’s a lesson in there somewhere. Now if only someone could suss it out.

Citizen Duck on June 25, 2007 at 8:19 PM

this sounds somehow stupider and more asinine then it is in print form

i don’t know how

and a part of me, a real sick part, would love to shove this moron and all his confederates in a Nazi Ghetto (I don’t wish them into Buchenwald or Auschwitz, I don’t wish that on anyone) and a Soviet Gulag and let them see just what it was like.

Defector01 on June 25, 2007 at 8:30 PM

Lightweight is right. Not only does he not understand the real argument, he doesn’t even understand his own argument. He couldn’t even enunciate even the left-wing talking points well.

jihadwatcher on June 25, 2007 at 8:35 PM

I think we should all take the time to thank Mehlman for showing us what an absolute moron sounds like.

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GT on June 25, 2007 at 8:35 PM

Any excuse for ‘Bush-bashing’. Not the first him the crazies have compared him to Hitler, and it wont be the last.

ericire12 on June 25, 2007 at 8:37 PM

Do you suppose Mehlman suffered any shrinkage when Gibson got through with him?

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GT on June 25, 2007 at 8:48 PM

The irony in this type of exchange, is that the real valid criticism of Bush is not that he is too right wing, which is the meme of the vacuous Hollywood pseudo-intellectuals like this poor excuse for a comedy writer, but that indeed Bush is too darn left of center, essentially almost an ally of the jihadists, of Saudi Arabia, of the islamist presence in Washington. If anything, Bush should be faulted for not being tough enough on our enemy. That is the reason why his poll numbers are so low with the base. He lacks focus on national security and basic conservative ideals.

Forget about amnesty, after 9/11 Bush okayed 19,000 visas for young Saudi males to come “study” in America. Look what 15 did.

The vapid Left paint Bush as Hitler, when he is the furthest thing from a strong, decisive, nationalistic leader. He falls down on all counts. Thus his poll numbers. But then again, the Left paints Israel as some neo-Nazi state. So for those people, history means nothing. Not only do their comparisons, similes, and metaphors have no basis in history and no basis in current reality, they have no basis in logic, either.

jihadwatcher on June 25, 2007 at 8:55 PM

Wow

What an idiot. He must think he has ESP.

FireDrake on June 25, 2007 at 8:58 PM

Hard core liberals have never met a conservative* they didn’t want to compare to the nazis. Just like in the Soviet union, if you aren’t a communist then you must be a fascist.

*This should not be taken to mean Bush is conservative, just more conservative than Noam Chomsky.

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 8:58 PM

I can respect a differing opinion as long as it isn’t hateful (hey let’s wipe israel off the map), but the idiocy of far left thought like this is amazing. This guy can’t even articulate his own nonsense argument.

BadgerHawk on June 25, 2007 at 9:02 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever heard so many cricket moments from a so-called intellectual leftist. That guy had everything the left bases their arguments on: Less than nothing. I agree with jihadwatcher. Bush has failed the people who supported him most, but the left’s prism of hate is so powerful they cannot see that he has done them more favors than not. I run into people every day who think Bush=Hitler, but fortunately as I bring it up more and more I am finding that there are more people than not that think Bush is a dummy for the right reasons. Hope is alive and well in America. We are strong and we will prevail even against three fifth columns… Is that a paradox?

JEFF_IN_NC on June 25, 2007 at 9:07 PM

what a mo-ron

wryteacher on June 25, 2007 at 9:07 PM

w0w, just w0w.

trailortrash on June 25, 2007 at 9:13 PM

Tell me something, you bio-deisel sucking liberals. If we went into Iraq for the oil, where is it?? Why are we paying so much for it?

Yea, all about oil, indeed. O.I.L. = Overly Irritating Liberals.

Why do they want to impeach Bush? Revenge for Clinton.

Why bring up Hitler? (Which makes me want to HIT a liberal) “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” That person is, ignorntly, actually, attempting to bring up fake disgust in the ignorant masses. The other day, I heard an old woman refer constantly to “the Son of Aladdin”, how we “let him go” and he’s a business partner with Bush. It took me an hour to figure out that she meant Osama BinLaden. I won’t even get into her other… points… And she’s eligible to VOTE.

Mazztek on June 25, 2007 at 9:26 PM

Do you suppose Mehlman suffered any shrinkage when Gibson got through with him?

GT on June 25, 2007 at 8:48 PM

Not of the brain. Nothing there to shrink.

infidel4life on June 25, 2007 at 9:27 PM

That shizzle-fo-brains went fo-fizzle…

JEFF_IN_NC on June 25, 2007 at 9:32 PM

Wow is right, Trailortrash. Talk about having your b@lls handed to you with a ribbon tied around them. John Gibson just eviscerated this guy. It was almost too much.

Abu Daboo Doo on June 25, 2007 at 9:33 PM

Debate or discussion isn’t even an option with these demented half wits anymore.

When the history books are written and George Bush is penned as the Winston Churchill of the beginning of the end of radical Islam, jokers like Peter Mehlman will be long forgotten except when referred to as those appeasers eerily similar to Neville Chamberlain who almost handed Hitler Europe.

186k on June 25, 2007 at 9:33 PM

jihadwatcher-

Perfectly said.

Saved me a lot of typing. Kudos and thanks!

I hope Bush would be a Patton.

Instead he is a patent pending propellor beanie.

profitsbeard on June 25, 2007 at 9:34 PM

That was truly painful to listen to. This is exactly why the left wants to silence the new media, they have no argument in the face of facts and reason.

infidel4life on June 25, 2007 at 9:37 PM

Ha! Everytime Gibson brought up a rebuttal point, the guy was like “uh… well…”

He was probably thinking “Why won’t you just agree me? Bush is evil! And I have Absolute Moral Authority to say that as a comedian!”

HYTEAndy on June 25, 2007 at 9:37 PM

where are the internment camps for liberals?

lilyjac on June 25, 2007 at 9:46 PM

That was sweet.

I started feeling sorry for the guy, until he started with the whining about Clinton. Then I thought, go for it, Gibson. And boy, did he.

mjk on June 25, 2007 at 9:48 PM

I listen for crutch-phrases of the weak, and Mehlman’s was “…y’know…”

No, Mehlman, I do NOT know. Can YOU tell me?

Then, EVERY POINT Mehlman tried to float was quickly dismantled by Gibson. YES!

“…and SAVED YOUR LIFE! So what do you CARE?”

*silence*

Karridine on June 25, 2007 at 9:49 PM

Before Japan attacked the US pacific fleet at pearl most Americans (not the media) wanted nothing to do with the European theater or Germany. We entered the war in the European theater on England’s side only because Japan attacked us and Japan had a protection pack with Germany and France.

American8298 on June 25, 2007 at 10:13 PM

The guy’s a lightweight

I’m waiting for Nonfactor to defend this (mental) dust mite.

On a very serious note how come John didn’t ask him how demeaning this is to the victims of the real monsters of this world, previous and current?

Entelechy on June 25, 2007 at 10:16 PM

Sounds to me like a Feinstein supporter.

pat on June 25, 2007 at 10:18 PM

American8298,
I don’t mean to nitpick but have you ever heard of the lend-lease program? This was where the US essentially gave the British, Soviets, and Chinese planes, tanks, guns, and other war materiel. This started well before Pearl Harbor. The only reason we didn’t enter the war against Germany sooner was because of American isolationism. The attack by a German ally was what finally woke up the American populace.

Incidentally, France was not an axis power unless you are talking about occupied France in which case you might as well include all of Europe as being “allies” with Germany and Japan.

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 10:20 PM

Gibson did miss some opportunities. Mehlman’s supposed position was merely that Bush has never meant well. But when Gibson asked him about Bush’s social security plan and the prescription drug programs, Mehlman responded by claiming those plans were terrible. And Gibson went along with him and engaged him on the merits of the programs.

But Mehlman’s entire position was that the merits of the programs aren’t at issue, but merely their intent (unless, for instance, he genuinely believes Stalin’s starvation of the Ukrain and Pol Pot’s mass murder of the educated were not only well-intentioned but objectively good). So it shouldn’t matter how good Bush’s plans were, merely whether he meant well by them. Gibson could’ve made him look much worse by forcing him to stick to that.

For Mehlman’s part, he was inarticulate, but I don’t think he was as blithely stupid as people think. He was trying to play it smug and off-the-cuff, as if this entire conservative talk radio business was beneath his concern. Holding him to his own standard, that he didn’t execute his agenda to good effect doesn’t count as much as his intent, which was typical of the wealthy, arrogant, liberal elitist: self-aggrandizement.

Blacklake on June 25, 2007 at 10:25 PM

Yes I have OU_Gryphon

When you lend or lease something to somebody you get paid in either favors or gold. I also no why Japan attacked us at Pearl, because of an embargo.

American8298 on June 25, 2007 at 10:26 PM

Does Bush mean well? I don’t think so.

PRCalDude on June 25, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Incidentally, France was not an axis power unless you are talking about occupied France in which case you might as well include all of Europe as being “allies” with Germany and Japan.

The Vichy French government was a bit more than passively involved in Hitler’s plans, though it’s not surprising that people aren’t particularly aware of this fact. It’s a bit of French history that isn’t exactly celebrated.

Blacklake on June 25, 2007 at 10:28 PM

total ownage

WillBarrett on June 25, 2007 at 10:30 PM

Blacklake,
Most of the puppet governments in occupied Europe collaborated with Germany – probably (and I’m just guessing here) because they were puppet governments.

American8298,
How much money do you think we got out of the lend-lease deal? According to Wikipedia, we sent approximately 50 billion in supplies and received only 7 billion in services in return, almost all of which came from Britain. If we were doing lend-lease for the money/services, I’d say we got screwed.

The lend-lease program was pretty much the only way the US could aid our European allies without actually entering the war – although, try telling that to the American sailors killed on cargo ships headed to Europe. I’m not sure what your original point was, but you are dead wrong about Pearl Harbor deciding which side of the war we joined.

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 10:43 PM

The Vichy French government was a bit more than passively involved in Hitler’s plans, though it’s not surprising that people aren’t particularly aware of this fact. It’s a bit of French history that isn’t exactly celebrated.

Blacklake on June 25, 2007 at 10:28 PM

Nor do the frogs want to be reminded of it! It is about the only time they show a little back bone.

TwinkietheKid on June 25, 2007 at 11:07 PM

I wonder if Mehlman returned that “Bush tax cut” that he, Mehlman,”didn’t need”?

As for the rest of the interview,Gibson begins questioning, yada,yada, yada, Mehlman’s a puddle on the floor.

I’ll bet he’s muttering “serenity now” as I type.

soundingboard on June 25, 2007 at 11:09 PM

According to Wikipedia

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 10:43 PM

Oops!

TwinkietheKid on June 25, 2007 at 11:11 PM

Yeah, I committed the sin of Wikipedia, but I’m inclined to believe it since A) I thought the amount of “stuff” we got back was actually less than the 7 billion figure B) we got nothing back from the Soviets and the French C) most of the ships, planes, tanks, etc we lent the Brittish didn’t survive long enough to be returned to us* and D) it reinforces everything I’ve ever heard or read about the lend-lease program.

So sue me. You try to find a hard figures in less than 15 seconds without using Wikipedia.

*About the only exception to this rule is the guns we sent. Many of the lend-lease guns have re-entered the US as mil-surp weapons, often from second or third hand countries.

OU_Gryphon on June 25, 2007 at 11:32 PM

Mehlman was even more inept than your average limousine liberal but Gibson left too much not countered. He should have stamped out every stupidity:

e.g. Abu Ghraib “torture”…
Putting panties on people’s heads is torture? as compared to say…sawing through people’s necks on camera?

e.g. USA in Iraq should have behaved well

99.9% of the tens of thousands of American troops rotating through Iraq have acquitted themselves honorably under circumstances that no other armed forces have ever had to face – required to show more concern for civilian lives than their own safety, civilians who are indistinguishable from guerilla terrorists and insurgents. No other military in the world can equal this record for decency under pressure. Look at the UN peacekeepers raping their way through Africa etc.

e.g. Instead of tax cuts, I would give 3, 4, 5 percentage points…

Peter, no one’s stopping you from giving away your entire fortune. Why are you happier with the government picking your pocket than giving privately to charity and by the way, have you given away your unwanted windfall from tax cuts?
Do you have any idea how the capitalism that made you rich actually works?

e.g. Iraq for oil…
and you have no actual evidence for this, just your opinion.

e.g.Immigration may be the one good-intentioned thing…

Well, that may keep you in cheap gardeners and nannies but it has pretty unkind results for law abiding Americans in the lower income brackets who are made jobless by these illegal workers or who through their taxes have to subsidize health care, education, court and jail costs etc. for colonists who are breaking American law and sending money to their failed state Mexico.

But perhaps Gibson was just toa overwhelmed by the vacuousness of this idiot savant (whose undeniable talent as a Seinfeld comedy writer seems to be a very narrow band and who was over-rewarded for it by the very system he bashes).

Why don’t guilty liberals give away their own money instead of everyone else’s via taxes? It’s been documented that they donate to charity much less than conservatives do. The worst such as Bono actually avoid taxes while banging the drum for countries to increase foreign aid to Africa that derives from those taxes he personally is shirking!

tarkus on June 25, 2007 at 11:37 PM

What a useless idiot. “Halliburton!”…for crying out loud already. Good job, John Gibson.

CP on June 25, 2007 at 11:54 PM

Are we sure this isn’t Melman, as in Larry “Bud” Melman, from Letterman’s old show? I know, it’s not polite to make fun of the recently deceased. And besides Bud was funny and dumb. This guy’s just an imbecile. I actually went to the huffpo, to read this guy’s column. The comments over there are what really strike me. I can just picture these people sitting in front of their screens yelling and pounding, like someone besides themselves can hear them. Bet he doesn’t read Gibby’s book.

PowWow on June 26, 2007 at 12:00 AM

Nor do the frogs want to be reminded of it! It is about the only time they show a little back bone.

TwinkietheKid on June 25, 2007 at 11:07 PM

Nor do I blame them. Were some despot to emerge from a magical portal and overrun America, I’m sure there’d be more than a few modern politicians–most of the sporting “D”s by their names, with a few noteable “R”s–eager to embrace the “forward-thinking” policies of the new boss. Such traitors certainly wouldn’t be representing me, or standing for the United States I live in.

Come to think of it, I’m not even sure this is entirely a hypothetical. Those “D”s might stand just as well for “Dhimmi.”

Blacklake on June 26, 2007 at 12:07 AM

Well done John.

Griz on June 26, 2007 at 12:11 AM

OU_Gryphon
American8298,
How much money do you think we got out of the lend-lease deal? According to Wikipedia, we sent approximately 50 billion in supplies and received only 7 billion in services in return, almost all of which came from Britain. If we were doing lend-lease for the money/services, I’d say we got screwed.

All I no is America was not doing that bad selling there Iron ore to Europe and not to Japan.

American8298 on June 26, 2007 at 12:13 AM

That guy had no frame of reference for anything. Everytime Gibson asked a question he would recieve a liberal talking point in return. All he had to do was scratch just below the surface of the stock answers and it was clear this Mehlman guy is an ignoramus.

I was disappointed that Gibson went easy on him though. He should have savagely attacked him when he started talking about how people only got $400-$500 off their taxes (I know I was ecstatically happy to get the money I got back, especially since the cuts came during my first job out of college). I think it’s imperitive to rub elitist jerks like Mehlmans face in their arrogance and stupidity when you get a chance. As it was the guy clearly came to the realization about halfway through the interview that he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. The confused sadness in his voice was magical. I know the schadenfreude is a little unseemly but I really don’t like limousine liberal’s thinking they’re better than me because they can afford not to care how mucb of their money the government takes.

Sorry I want to have a three bedroom house and a reliable late model car (it’s a Cadillac…Is that wrong?) Pete. I guess I’m just so selfish that I would like to be able to keep enough of my money so that one day I can be a rich liberal jerk like you and base my politics on what plays well at coctail parties.

Someone needs to arrange a debate between this guy and Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens has no mercy on guys like this.

Big E on June 26, 2007 at 12:27 AM

I absolutely hate this! Mehlman has taken my favorite comedy show away from me. I will no longer be able to watch Seinfeld without thinking about this twit. Oh the horror…the horror

dawgyear on June 26, 2007 at 12:51 AM

I didn’t need the tax cut either…” -Mehlman.

Sure. I saw him and all of his rich buddies in L.A. throwing their refund checks over the White House gates.

Well, you know, it’s a whole rampant policy of torturing…” – Mehlman.

Naked piles and barking dogs and panties on the head in Abu Ghraib as opposed to slicing Nick Berg’s head off and putting the video online. And the monstrous treatment of our captured soldiers. And captured foreign workers. And captured Iraqis.

Moral relativism gone bananas.

profitsbeard on June 26, 2007 at 12:56 AM

I didn’t need the tax cut either…” -Mehlman.

Sure. I saw him and all of his rich buddies in L.A. throwing their refund checks over the White House gates.

Well, you know, it’s a whole rampant policy of torturing…” – Mehlman.

Naked piles and barking dogs and panties on the head in Abu Ghraib as opposed to slicing Nick Berg’s head off and putting the video online. And the monstrous treatment of our captured soldiers. And captured foreign workers. And captured Iraqis.

Moral relativism gone bananas.

profitsbeard on June 26, 2007 at 12:56 AM

I didn’t need the tax cut either…” -Mehlman.

Sure. I saw him and all of his rich buddies in L.A. throwing their refund checks over the White House gates.

Well, you know, it’s a whole rampant policy of torturing…” – Mehlman.

Naked piles and barking dogs and panties on the head in Abu Ghraib as opposed to slicing Nick Berg’s head off and putting the video online. And the monstrous treatment of our captured soldiers. And captured foreign workers. And captured Iraqis.

Moral relativism gone bananas.

profitsbeard on June 26, 2007 at 12:56 AM

Plus, he causes comments to repeat annoyingly!

Schmuck.

profitsbeard on June 26, 2007 at 12:56 AM

All I no is America was not doing that bad selling there Iron ore to Europe and not to Japan.

I still fail to see your point. Why wouldn’t we provide only our allies with strategic supplies such as iron? Unless the Europeans were deliberately paying too much for the iron, I don’t see how this offsets our lend-lease deficit either.

The plain fact of the matter is that FDR used the lend-lease program to give our allies aid, without any expectation of full compensation, for the simple reason that declaring war was not politically feasible. We never intended to join the axis powers as evidenced by the fact that we didn’t send oil and iron to Japan and the fact that we actively supplied Germany’s enemies with the implements of war. Bringing up the issue of embargos only proves my point.

OU_Gryphon on June 26, 2007 at 1:08 AM

Give ‘em an ounce of ‘new tone’ and they deliver a ton of bigotted bile.

Rugged Individual on June 26, 2007 at 1:20 AM

Mehlman says his opinion of Bush would probably be different if LA had been blown up. Wrong. They would have blamed him for focusing on Iraq and not doing enough to protect him and his buddies.

Rod on June 26, 2007 at 9:01 AM

“….it would be nice to find out about these things through intelligence…”

So what this moron is saying is this:
“Gee….did we have to get so rough with KSM…? Couldn’t we have obtained this same info by asking him nicely? I mean…..did we really have to water-board this man?”

The fact that we foiled a bombing/attack is secondary to this genius. Notice that he expresses no anger towards KSM.
He’s distraught not at KSM, but at those who chose to ‘get tough’ with a madman.

Had the plot succeeded, this same fool would be ranting at our failure to prevent it.
“You mean we had him in custody and we couldn’t get him to talk???? Thousands are now dead and we Bush could’ve prevented it?”

What an idiot.

guitarguy on June 26, 2007 at 9:17 AM

I don’t think Mehlman was malicious, he just fell into the trap so many in the world have. They rely on MMM and therefore only get one the “spin”. Repeated adnuseum, attacks on Bush sink into the psyche until it becomes their “truth”. People fail to realize that democracy is advanced citizenship and that it is their responsibility to keep informed on the issues that face their country. News should not be info-tainment, and issues vital to the country should not be given the moral equivalence of American Idol.

atadOFF on June 26, 2007 at 9:28 AM

As a single person who works 2 jobs to pay the mortgage, and afford a little extra for fun, and recreation, who the hell is this guy to tell me that I don’t need those tax cuts??? I risk my life at one job, and bust my ass on the other, now he wants to tell me that I should be willing to support some damn liberal program through my hard earned money, because the “undocumented workers” are filling up the emergency room, and they need free translators as well?

striper1 on June 26, 2007 at 10:15 AM

Hmm, super rich guy says he doesn’t need the tax cuts? I’d be willing to bet he has a very expensive accountant seeing to it that he pays the least in taxes possible.

We need to add a line to the tax form that simply says “additional amount of taxes you would like to pay”

Let these guys put their money where their mouths are.

trubble on June 26, 2007 at 11:43 AM

Lighten up on Mehlman – I’m sure he meant well.

John from WuzzaDem on June 26, 2007 at 5:58 PM

Just stop talking to these kinds of people, you only empower them be legitimizing them like this. Witness the continued acceptance of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as representatives of the Black community.

These kinds of people can’t be taken seriously when they are so far out of touch with reality. So why bother with them at all.

Point out what useful idiots they are, show us their own words and that’s it, don’t “debate” them as it only legitimizes their point of view as valid and *worthy* of debate. SOmeone who thinks 9/11 was a plot by Bush and the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition are INSANE, and you don’t debate insane people.

Neo on June 26, 2007 at 6:14 PM