The CIA’s still blowing up terrorists and kidnapping them– capturing enemy combatants

Couldn’t leave that one be, forgive me see-dubya.

Bryan is right, the main reason for keeping such information under wraps isn’t in the least about embarassment, it’s about analysts of enemy nations reverse-engineering facts to determine methods. That’s a huge part of the intel game, and handing this stuff over will put American lives at risk, or the lives of foreigners who have helped us.

There’s a reason the name “family jewels” came to be. They should not be exhibited in public, and putting them out there is just begging for them to be stomped on. It’ll hurt.

We are guilt tripping ourselves into laying down so we can be raped and murdered more easily after we have been looted and robbed.

They could be anti-CIA disinformation b.s. added to the files by the likes of CIA traitor Wilson and FBI traitor Hanson, or their undiscovered ilk.

The whole enterprise of showing even part of your hand -in the middle of a terror war against the most dangerous enemies in human history- strikes me as colossally stupid and catastrophically naive.

If the documents are real, they should have been destroyed long ago. Or, if held on to for some reason, kept tight to the intelligence vest for a century, or more.

It’s not as if the paranoid-tending world needs more reasons to villify the last best hope of human freedom.

Morons.

1. Confinement of a Russian defector that “might be regarded as a violation of the kidnapping laws.” (A reference to James Angleton’s holding of defector Yuri Nosenko).

2. Wiretapping of two syndicated columnists, Robert Allen and Paul Scott.

3. Physical surveillance of muckraker Jack Anderson and his associates, including current Fox News anchor Britt Hume.

4. Physical surveillance of then Washington Post reporter Michael Getler.

5. Break-in at the home of a former CIA employee.

6. Break-in at the office of a former defector.

7. Warrantless entry into the apartment of a former CIA employee.

8. Mail opening from 1953 to 1973 of letters to and from the Soviet Union.

9. Mail opening from 1969 to 1972 of letters to and from China.

10. Behavior modification experiments on “unwitting” U.S. citizens. (LSD and other drug trials)

11. Assassination plots against Castro, Lumumba, and Trujillo (on the latter, “no active part” but a “faint connection” to the killers).

12. Surveillance of dissident groups between 1967 and 1971.

13. Surveillance of a particular Latin American female and U.S. citizens in Detroit.

14. Surveillance of a CIA critic and former officer, Victor Marchetti.

15. Amassing of files on 9,900-plus Americans related to the antiwar movement.

16. Polygraph experiments with the San Mateo, California, sheriff.

17. Fake CIA identification documents that might violate state laws.

18. Testing of electronic equipment on US telephone circuits.

This is CIA wrongdoing from the 50′s to the 70′s only. And there is nothing in the CIA charter that prevents it from overthrowing country’s leaders because they didn’t like United Fruit Company having a monopoly on their banana production or ditto AT & T with their nation’s telephones.

For all the good and brave and decent things the CIA has done, there have been some horrors as well. It is a cold, brutal world out there and the CIA has had to act in ways that do not reflect well on our stated values. But usually, they did what was necessary to ensure our survival.

That is it’s own moral justification right there.

Talk about evil squared! Yikes.

The CIA info is definitely going to be used to dispirit and demean any remaining Patriots; tenderize and prepare them for their soon to come socialist overlords. All for the good of the many, of course.

We are being historically stupid right now, and our ‘leaders’ and msm are working toward national suicide. But I’m still convinced that the bulk of this country won’t tolerate a shift that far left. We’ll soon see.

Enemies foriegn and domestic and all that.

/spit

Does the fact that confirming the info by releasing it make a difference? I don’t know. But the CIA has done far worse than what they are releasing here. The story of our assistance to El Salvadoran death squads for instance might make for interesting reading in Latin America if the whole truth ever comes out.

America is turning into a bunch of pantywaistes.

corbettw on June 22, 2007 at 4:39 PM

Do you really want to know how many men have hit on your wife and what methods she uses to make them go away? Or does it just matter that they went away?

Also, it’s far more important to the preservation of a free society that the citizens of that society know what their government is up to (or was up to). Especially with regards to things like assassinations and human experimentation.

I’m at a lost at why the CIA would declass it’s past rogue operations and leave it off at the 70s. I and many others would be facinsated to learned exactly how Valerie Plame and her rogue buddies attempted to undermine the country in a ti…

“Department of International Cooperation,”

That would be perfect, and provide some nice puns for the headline writers. I won’t list the couple I just thought up.

Reading through that list of “offenses”, I don’t see what the big deal is. To me it’s worse that people try and pretend that there weren’t (and aren’t) Americans who are actively conspiring against us, or in bed with the Commies and the rest of our enemies.

It’s as bad as the people who think Russia is our friend. The USSR is still there, they just went bankrupt and reorganized under a new name.

And many of the Dems will have to pretend they take the idea seriously. And a few *cough*Kucinich*cough* will.

“Yes, we had terrible pages” in Russia’s history, Putin said in remarks broadcast on state television. “Let us recall the events since 1937, let us not forget that. But in other countries, it has been said, it was more terrible.”

Putin gets away with saying this sh1t unanswered because the present rulers in liberal democracies are too puss-puss to give smart replies. American elected officials and political operators seem to follow a rule, “Reply within the news cycle,” when they’re replying to their domestic critics. They’re somehow indifferent to putting down their nation’s international critics with similar timeliness and vigor.

Why not point out that the media are leaving out the fact that it was Robert F. Kennedy that knew about the wiretapping of journalists in 1963 and was personally involved in planning the assassination of Fidel Castro?

Is everyone afraid of the Kennedys or something?

CIA declassifying information is just another bad idea, in a long list of others we’ve come to expect from this administration lately.

I don’t think decalssifying events from over 34 years ago will have any effect. It is a very different world now than back then. We also have very different procedures now.

I garantee that the old hippie liberal media will jump all over these and find some way to spin it against the republicans or even Bush himself.

Maybe we’ll finally find out who killed JFK!

It was Colonel Mustard in the conservatory with a potato cannon.