Can anyone name me a candidate who’s been more outspoken on the subject than Fred Dalton Thompson?

bdfaith on June 22, 2007 at 1:00 PM

I can name two.

Tom Tancredo. This seems to be his one and only issue that he’s going to run on.

Duncan Hunter. Besides talking about it, he’s actually gotten a fence built in his part of CA. He’s pushing the administration to build the fence they are obligated by law to build. And he’s promised to have the full fence built within 6 months of inauguration if he’s elected.

This is not to take anything away from Fred! He’s talking a pretty good game right now and I’m convinced he’s going to run. But you asked the question.

I can see where this site is going…he vetoed embryonic stem cell funding and not a word…I still think you guys are nuts. I mean that in the nicest way.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:02 AM

Apparently when the White House took up the Democrat tactic of race-card ad-hominem, the Bushbots took up the Democrat tactic of shameless message board Red Herrings. “This thread isn’t going in the right direction, so I demand you talk about this other topic that favors me!”

Why didn’t he fight this hard for U.N. ambassador Bolton?

His priorities are screwy.

And we may be screwed.

Subtlety is far from tomas’ strong point.

tomas is just an illegal alien troll trying to get this shamnesty bill passed ignore the little troll..

I called his Boise office and she tried to tell me the same thing. I reminded her that as of last week he was going to vote for cloture. I asked if he had changed his mind. Well, it appears that he is still looking at the amendments and will decide when the time comes. Which sounds suspiciously like a yes vote to me.

So, I told her I wasn’t fooled by her answer and that any vote for cloture is a vote for the bill, and that I would be voting against the senator in 08 if he votes for cloture.

I’m going to fax the web addy for the payback site. I wonder if that’ll make a difference?

From Lamar Alexander’s office:

“I will vote against cloture to end debate on the current immigration bill when it comes before us next week. Other than the war on terror, there is nothing more important than fixing our broken immigration system, and we must keep working on it for as long as it takes to get it right, but right must include a process that earns the confidence of the American people, and this bill does not do that.

This problem has been years in the making and will take time to fix. We must secure the border first once and for all, verified by credible sources, without amnesty – you are here legally or you are not here. We also must make it easier for highly skilled workers to come to America to create jobs and expect and assist those here legally to become Americans by speaking our language and appreciating our history and culture.

I will oppose any bill that does not include these essential elements.”

Hear, f’ing, hear!

From Lamar Alexander’s office:

“I will vote against cloture to end debate on the current immigration bill when it comes before us next week. Other than the war on terror, there is nothing more important than fixing our broken immigration system, and we must keep working on it for as long as it takes to get it right, but right must include a process that earns the confidence of the American people, and this bill does not do that.

This problem has been years in the making and will take time to fix. We must secure the border first once and for all, verified by credible sources, without amnesty – you are here legally or you are not here. We also must make it easier for highly skilled workers to come to America to create jobs and expect and assist those here legally to become Americans by speaking our language and appreciating our history and culture.

I will oppose any bill that does not include these essential elements.”

Hear, f’in, hear!!

I still have $10 saying that tomas is Bush.

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Nah, not nuanced enough. Bush doesn’t tell us straight out that he doesn’t give a shite what we think… Subtlety is far from tomas’ strong point.

(Currently the latin phrase I use means, “Never tickle a sleeping dragon”, and you know THAT fits too. LOL.)

…may not be able to get 60 votes to put the bill on the floor as a new bill. If that turns out to be the case, the bill is dead.

Gee, where have I heard that before? If the cloture vote fails, they’ll be pushing the bill again right after their vacation. They never give up on a bad idea.

What the bill needs is some “Carthaginian Peace” if you know what I mean.

. . .and their core constituents the American people are telling them to go back to the drawing board.

Fixed.

To say that no one has said diddly is completely false.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:28 AM

It also misses the point entirely. Conservatives are dedicated to ideas. If you want mindless cult of personality, join the Hillary or Obama bandwagons.

BTW, conservatives bit their tongues on No Child Left Behind (written by Kennedy) when Bush shepherded it through. A lot of us looked at the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence position as unnecessary (and anti-conservative) increases in bureaucracy. But we bit our tongues. And how about out-of control spending? We complained but reelected Bush. We’ve defended him in the GWOT, Iraq (despite mistakes), Afghanistan, missile defense, rejecting Kyoto, tax cuts, etc.

In the case of immigration, let’s be clear: Bush, Chertoff, McCain & Graham ratcheted up the rhetoric. They accused conservatives of being racists, bigots and for wanting to do the wrong thing for America. They abandoned civil discourse.

So, I agree with you, reaganut. We did defend Bush–when he deserved defending. But tomas needs to understand is that we are dedicated to conservatism. Also, we were cordial until our character was impugned.

He also folded his napkin after breakfast, shall we throw him a parade?

Sometimes, you just have to yell at jerks.

IF he were not to veto embrionic stem cell research, the next president COULD reverse the legislation.

However….IF they pass Shamnesty, there is no reversing it. This makes it FAR more important an issue. Stem cell research will not END this country. Amnesty essentially will.

So shut the hell up, griping at us for paying more attention to Shamnesty. Bush is trying his best to screw us with this bill. I could care less what he does about stem cells right now. It’s irrelevent once this is North Mexico.

Arrogant git. You can stop looking down your noses at us.

Rant over.

Thanks cs, keep up the good work! I have called and emailed my senators but don’t think it will do much good with mine (Wisconsin). Senator Kohl (D) just got reelected and is safe till 2012. I believe Senator Feingold (D-Madison) was reelected in 2004 and his got to one of the most liberal senators in there!
They are also so safe in their primaries, Governor Doyle is very friendly to illegals and got easily reelected.

We must keep up the pressure on Republicans!

SSG Fuzzy on June 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Yeah, they are pretty much hopeless, but everytime a new article comes out about low approval ratings, I just fax them entire article.

Apparently the White House hasn’t taken note that approval has only been dropping rapidly, since the Senate began mentioning amnesty.

If there’s anything I’ve gathered about this White House, it’s that they don’t give two s**** about approval ratings.