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Bush aides find cure to Congress’s poll woes: Passing shamnesty; Update: Cloture vote on Tuesday; Update: Alexander votes no

posted at 9:33 am on June 22, 2007 by Allahpundit
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They’ve got a 3% approval rating on the issue of immigration, an even split within their own party on the amnesty bill itself, and their core constituents are telling them to go back to the drawing board. The obvious Rx for Pelosi, according to the Bushies? Pass that sucker!

Administration officials say that if the bill gets to the House, they’re ready to do the handholding and retail spadework necessary to line up Republican votes. They believe pressure will build on Speaker Nancy Pelosi from constituencies within her own party that want immigration reform. They also hope she will be under pressure to deliver at a time when the approval rating for Congress is in the cellar.

Here’s what she has to look forward to if and when it reaches the House:

Aides to Republican senators – even ones who favor comprehensive immigration reform — tell Playbook they have faced an agonizing situation where their bosses get dozens of calls in favor of the bill and thousands of calls against it. “Sadly, it’s not a debate about what’s in the bill,” said one White House ally. “It’s a matter of awful messaging and rollout. It’s not like business and Hispanic groups are coming to us and saying, ‘You have to be in support of this.’ That’s just not happening. There’s a lot of ill will and bad feelings and it’s just run into a buzz saw. You’re asking senators to walk the plank on a bill that may not even get out of the House.”

That’s the left’s “branding” excuse being coopted here by right-wingers. It’s on a continuum with the other sneering, insulting rhetoric we’ve heard from the pro-amnesty superheroes. It can’t be the policy, which of course is sound and pristine, that’s the problem; it’s the way it’s been spun for slow-witted yokels to get them exercised that’s brought us to this point. That’ll be the party line if and when the bill collapses too. When you hear it, remember that St. John himself was at one point completely unaware that there was nothing in the bill requiring illegals to pay back taxes. That’s how well the Grand Bargainers knows its own work. (Note well: there’s still no back-taxes requirement in there.)

Lott apparently still thinks they’ve got 60 votes for cloture, notwithstanding the slew of defections yesterday. John Hawkins’s Senate source isn’t so sure, thanks to Reid trying to force this through with every anti-democratic procedural measure available to him:

The conventional wisdom has been that this first cloture vote is a done deal because the Senate leadership has been wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. The way it works is that they go to a Senator and offer to allow a vote on their Amendment IF — and only if — that Senator agrees to vote for cloture on the “clay pigeon” strategy.

My source tells me that this has left a sour taste in the mouth of a number of Republican Senators who are upset that Mitch McConnell is cooperating with Harry Reid to curtail the rights of Republican Senators. Moreover, there’s a growing fear that a dangerous precedent is being set here that could be used against Republican Senators again and again as long as they’re in the minority. After all, if the “clay pigeon” strategy is used against conservatives on the immigration issue, who’s to say it won’t also be used against them on any number of issues in the future? According to my source, this is causing a lot of nervousness amongst Republican Senators and it has Mitch McConnell acting very defensive behind closed doors about working with Harry Reid to roll members of his own caucus. Because of this issue, my source tells me that the vote for the “clay pigeon” strategy is no longer a slam dunk and it is possible that the “grand bargainers” may not be able to get 60 votes to put the bill on the floor as a new bill. If that turns out to be the case, the bill is dead.

There are two cloture votes, in other words: the first one will open up debate on the new bill and the amendments and the second one will end the debate and move to a vote on the bill itself. Hawkins’s source thinks the first one is the best chance to kill it, but I don’t see why. The more amendments you offer, the harder it is to keep a 60-vote consensus without alienating anyone.

Inhofe gave it a 76%(?) chance of failing at this point last night on John Ziegler’s show. It could come to the floor as early as tonight. As Kaus says, Friday evening would be a perfect time to kill it thanks to the minimum media fallout. Stand by for updates throughout the day.

Update: Shamnesty regrouping? They’re off until Tuesday.

Update: Momentummania!


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What a way to start the day with Boosh’s face on the frontpage of HotAir. I am so sick of this guy and his abandoning the conservative cause. Please more postings so this moves down the page quickly.

Wade on June 22, 2007 at 9:48 AM

The White House amazes me every day… This reminds me oddly of squalor and unrest in Muslim countries. Every Islamic country is dirty and primitive, so the solution to that? More Islam!

White House: The approval of Congress has gone into freefall since the birth of Amnesty, so the solution to that? More Amnesty!

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Putting lipstick on a pig.

infidel4life on June 22, 2007 at 9:50 AM

That old impeachment movement is looking more and more appetizing. I won’t make it thru another year of this crap. Can you spell LAZY? Can you say a LAZY administration? Or just corrupt?

Griz on June 22, 2007 at 9:52 AM

I would feel so dirty if this shamnesty bill goes through. Like a real bad aspartame after taste.

Kokonut on June 22, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Putting lipstick on a pig electrified goat.

Coyote D. on June 22, 2007 at 9:53 AM

Here is the email I just sent senator Craig.

Apparently Senator Craig is aligning himself with fellow senators instead of listening to his constituency. The movement has started against senators Lott and Graham to defeat them in the next election. It is obvious that Senator Craig supports their position on this bill because he is still in favor of cloture. That’s too bad because a group of concerned citizens (including me) have begun gathering support to mount a campaign to defeat senator Craig in the next election.You are very aware that you have been receiving call ratios upwards to 19:1 in opposition to cloture. You constituency wants you to filibuster this bill until it dies. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. No compromises, no political games including your attempt to get double coverage and “clay pigeons” etc.

We do not trust you. The congress has had 20 years to pass effective comprehensive legislation that solves the immigration issue. Well, you have passed bills that you never funded or did not make sure were followed through with. Specifically the 700 miles of fence. Well, you’ve used up all trust you had. We want, and you know for a fact that I speak for a huge majority of Americans, a fence built first. PERIOD. Secure the border. EARN our trust back with action and drop the rhetoric.

The congress just reached new lows in the confidence the American people have in you. Only 14% feel you are doing a good job. And that isn’t because you haven’t passed a immigration bill, it’s because you are trying to shove this bill down our throats and we are sick of all the politicking. So, with those numbers, don’t think for one minute the motivation to get new leadership is not there. It is.

This is your last chance senator. Filibuster this bill to death, or we will vote you out of office in 2008.

I will be calling DC and Boise this AM and put a voice to the same message.

You know whats funny is that when this first started, Craig’s people were indifferent towards the calls. Then they became nicer and more interactive. HA! Now they are just down right fed the F up! HAHAHA! Every time I call, once and sometimes twice a day, they answer the phone with the attitude of “Oh $hit! Here we go again!”. And it isn’t like they know who I am because I block my number. By the time I’m done talking to them, they act like a person resigned to take the beating they have coming.

csdeven on June 22, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Great recap. Primes us for the day’s action; I think they will bring it to the floor tonight especially if the consensus is that the momentum is back in the direction of what I like to call ‘the people’.

He added that a lot of Republican Senators have been offended and embarrassed by their comments and are worried that the voters will lump them in with Graham and Lott.

I certainly hope that is true. Graham and Lott have been nothing sort of disgraceful and insulting.

Spirit of 1776 on June 22, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Maybe Boosh’s plan..(Read the evil mastermind Carl Rove here) is to destroy congress by tricking the Democrats and forcing the Republicans into walking the immigration plank?

doriangrey on June 22, 2007 at 9:58 AM

I would bet that you could take a sample almost anywhere and there would be more people on the street that have actualyl read this bill then there are politicians who have.
Spin that you slovenly cowards. Hope the companies who are dishing out the cash to you will take good care of you when we vote all of you out of office. I’m still looking to boycott the corporations that are actually behind this mess, however no one seems to have any interest in discovering who they are.

bbz123 on June 22, 2007 at 9:58 AM

Passed or not, lots of political careers are wrecked over this. They just don’t realize it yet through their arrogance.

Valiant on June 22, 2007 at 9:58 AM

That old impeachment movement is looking more and more appetizing.
Griz on June 22, 2007 at 9:52 AM

I agree. Impeach if only to tie up House of Reps and the administration until we the people have our chance in 2008 to vote.

Wade on June 22, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Where’s Cheney? Usually he stumps for the president on important bills.

jeffNWV on June 22, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Reid and Pelosi could be the first ever 0% favorable Congress, eh?

ctmom on June 22, 2007 at 10:00 AM

I wish Bush fought this hard for John Bolton. Or Social Security reform, tort reform….

This is just mind boggling.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:01 AM

I can see where this site is going…he vetoed embryonic stem cell funding and not a word…I still think you guys are nuts. I mean that in the nicest way.

Jeff Sessions

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:02 AM

The party left him on Social Security Reform…don’t even try to be a dem and rewrite history.

They heard dead in the water and crawled under a rock. HE had a mandate and the Republican party, Conservatives included pissed it away.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Cheney/Pelosi ‘07, Thompson/Guiliani ‘08.

Is Bush suddenly jealous that Congress has lower approval than he does? Why else would he make such a stupid statement?

flutejpl on June 22, 2007 at 10:08 AM

Putting lipstick on a pig.
infidel4life on June 22, 2007 at 9:50 AM

Lipstick didn’t work. Okay, try mascara…
No? Okay, rouge then…
Still no? Shoot it with key light thru a soft-focus lens…
Nothing? Put it front of a green screen and we’ll show it flying…
Nada? Oh, well…

eeyore on June 22, 2007 at 10:09 AM

he vetoed embryonic stem cell funding and not a word

Yes he did, and while I do appreciate that, I think that rates about a 2 on a scale of 1-10. Amnesty is about an 8. Just because Bush does certain things right, it doesn’t give him a pass to completely screw other things up. That’s how it works. I can still like Bush, while being completely pissed off at his policies, and I’ll be damned if I won’t sound off about it.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:11 AM

I will be calling DC and Boise this AM and put a voice to the same message.

You know whats funny is that when this first started, Craig’s people were indifferent towards the calls. Then they became nicer and more interactive. HA! Now they are just down right fed the F up! HAHAHA! Every time I call, once and sometimes twice a day, they answer the phone with the attitude of “Oh $hit! Here we go again!”. And it isn’t like they know who I am because I block my number. By the time I’m done talking to them, they act like a person resigned to take the beating they have coming.

csdeven on June 22, 2007 at 9:57 AM

Thanks cs, keep up the good work! I have called and emailed my senators but don’t think it will do much good with mine (Wisconsin). Senator Kohl (D) just got reelected and is safe till 2012. I believe Senator Feingold (D-Madison) was reelected in 2004 and his got to one of the most liberal senators in there!
They are also so safe in their primaries, Governor Doyle is very friendly to illegals and got easily reelected.

We must keep up the pressure on Republicans!

SSG Fuzzy on June 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:01 AM

No kidding, or Pace. This insistence shows what a priority it is for him; the question that remains is why?

Spirit of 1776 on June 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

That is conservatives problems…they don’t say diddly when he does something right…but they are witless blowhards when they disagree. Thankless.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

“He is a man of vision and faith and honor”

But he can’t communicate to save his soul. He won’t take no for an answer. He could care less what normal Americans think or need. His old-style cronyism is insanely damaging. His picture of future America is EU changed to NAU. And he’s afraid to win a war.

What’s the problem?

Griz on June 22, 2007 at 10:13 AM

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:01 AM

Ditto.

nailinmyeye on June 22, 2007 at 10:13 AM

The party left him on Social Security Reform…don’t even try to be a dem and rewrite history.

They heard dead in the water and crawled under a rock. HE had a mandate and the Republican party, Conservatives included pissed it away.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM

That is so ridiculous. He left the party.

Wade on June 22, 2007 at 10:15 AM

The party left him on Social Security Reform…don’t even try to be a dem and rewrite history.

The party has left him on amnesty, what’s the difference? He didn’t put a tenth of the effort into getting anything done on social security. It’s obvious what the White House can try to accomplish when they want to. It’s not just about getting your party behind you, it’s about getting the other party as well. He can cut deals and make promises all day long when it comes to Amnesty though?

Maybe this is about payback? Hahaha.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:18 AM

No he hasn’t and if he didn’t care about the average person he wouldn’t constantly veto the funding. Get over yourselves.

I wouldn’t pass this bill, but you are looking beyond the realities of your alternatives. Act like you’ve been there.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:18 AM

Jeff Sessions
tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:02 AM

Will Sessions suddenly have a change of heart on the shamnesty bill?

csdeven on June 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM

Apparently the White House hasn’t taken note that approval has only been dropping rapidly, since the Senate began mentioning amnesty.

amerpundit on June 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM

Apparently George thinks that if this bucket of garden slugs bill passes that we’ll all just give up!

I don’t think so! It ain’t over till ‘the people’ win!

Speakup on June 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM

That is conservatives problems…they don’t say diddly when he does something right…but they are witless blowhards when they disagree. Thankless.

??
Bush is not even remotely a conservative. Hell, he gave conservatives the finger during the campaign when he came up with “compassionate conservatism”. Why the compassionate? Unreal.

I guess you just started following politics though, because up until about 2005, I and many other conservatives, were tireless in our defense of Bush. Four or five solid years of defending him from all sorts of attacks.

Hell, I went back on active duty because I beleived in the guy. When I got home, I worked his campaign even threw him some cash.

To say that no one has said diddly is completely false.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:28 AM

Why didn’t he fight this hard for Harriet Meyers?

profitsbeard on June 22, 2007 at 10:32 AM

csdeven on June 22, 2007 at 9:57 AM

You GO, CS!! Give’em Hell!

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 10:44 AM

Apparently the White House hasn’t taken note that approval has only been dropping rapidly, since the Senate began mentioning amnesty.

If there’s anything I’ve gathered about this White House, it’s that they don’t give two s**** about approval ratings.

WisCon on June 22, 2007 at 10:47 AM

Thanks cs, keep up the good work! I have called and emailed my senators but don’t think it will do much good with mine (Wisconsin). Senator Kohl (D) just got reelected and is safe till 2012. I believe Senator Feingold (D-Madison) was reelected in 2004 and his got to one of the most liberal senators in there!
They are also so safe in their primaries, Governor Doyle is very friendly to illegals and got easily reelected.

We must keep up the pressure on Republicans!

SSG Fuzzy on June 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Yeah, they are pretty much hopeless, but everytime a new article comes out about low approval ratings, I just fax them entire article.

WisCon on June 22, 2007 at 10:51 AM

Read my lips: No.

saint kansas on June 22, 2007 at 10:51 AM

tomas, you ever heard of keeping your PRIORITIES in order? The stem cell veto was a good call…however, we have MUCH much much MUCHO bigger fish to fry.

IF he were not to veto embrionic stem cell research, the next president COULD reverse the legislation.

However….IF they pass Shamnesty, there is no reversing it. This makes it FAR more important an issue. Stem cell research will not END this country. Amnesty essentially will.

So shut the hell up, griping at us for paying more attention to Shamnesty. Bush is trying his best to screw us with this bill. I could care less what he does about stem cells right now. It’s irrelevent once this is North Mexico.

Arrogant git. You can stop looking down your noses at us.

Rant over.

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 10:55 AM

My apologies to everyone else for my explosion.

Sometimes, you just have to yell at jerks.

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 10:57 AM

You just proved my point…no need for an apology

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:59 AM

Hmmmm…funny you’re the only one that gets it. Why don’t you just go off now and congratulate yourself with your supporters…oh wait, you’re alone.

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:11 AM

Your point is that we are distracted by the Amnesty Bill, and aren’t giving Bush credit for what he did right with stem cells?

He also folded his napkin after breakfast, shall we throw him a parade?

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:14 AM

. . .and their core constituents the American people are telling them to go back to the drawing board.

Fixed.

To say that no one has said diddly is completely false.

reaganaut on June 22, 2007 at 10:28 AM

It also misses the point entirely. Conservatives are dedicated to ideas. If you want mindless cult of personality, join the Hillary or Obama bandwagons.

BTW, conservatives bit their tongues on No Child Left Behind (written by Kennedy) when Bush shepherded it through. A lot of us looked at the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence position as unnecessary (and anti-conservative) increases in bureaucracy. But we bit our tongues. And how about out-of control spending? We complained but reelected Bush. We’ve defended him in the GWOT, Iraq (despite mistakes), Afghanistan, missile defense, rejecting Kyoto, tax cuts, etc.

In the case of immigration, let’s be clear: Bush, Chertoff, McCain & Graham ratcheted up the rhetoric. They accused conservatives of being racists, bigots and for wanting to do the wrong thing for America. They abandoned civil discourse.

So, I agree with you, reaganut. We did defend Bush–when he deserved defending. But tomas needs to understand is that we are dedicated to conservatism. Also, we were cordial until our character was impugned.

cmay on June 22, 2007 at 11:14 AM

In the great tradition of the early Roman Republic and the Senator Cato, I move that we all sign our posts with “amnistitio delenda est” (the amnesty bill must be destroyed) for solidarity.

What the bill needs is some “Carthaginian Peace” if you know what I mean.

apostle26 on June 22, 2007 at 11:19 AM

…may not be able to get 60 votes to put the bill on the floor as a new bill. If that turns out to be the case, the bill is dead.

Gee, where have I heard that before? If the cloture vote fails, they’ll be pushing the bill again right after their vacation. They never give up on a bad idea.

rmgraha on June 22, 2007 at 11:20 AM

I like it, apostle26! I’m putting it on all my emails going forward!

(Currently the latin phrase I use means, “Never tickle a sleeping dragon”, and you know THAT fits too. LOL.)

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:22 AM

I still have $10 saying that tomas is Bush.

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 11:24 AM

From Lamar Alexander’s office:

“I will vote against cloture to end debate on the current immigration bill when it comes before us next week. Other than the war on terror, there is nothing more important than fixing our broken immigration system, and we must keep working on it for as long as it takes to get it right, but right must include a process that earns the confidence of the American people, and this bill does not do that.

This problem has been years in the making and will take time to fix. We must secure the border first once and for all, verified by credible sources, without amnesty – you are here legally or you are not here. We also must make it easier for highly skilled workers to come to America to create jobs and expect and assist those here legally to become Americans by speaking our language and appreciating our history and culture.

I will oppose any bill that does not include these essential elements.”

Hear, f’in, hear!!

I still have $10 saying that tomas is Bush.

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 11:24 AM

Nah, not nuanced enough. Bush doesn’t tell us straight out that he doesn’t give a shite what we think… Subtlety is far from tomas’ strong point.

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:28 AM

From Lamar Alexander’s office:

“I will vote against cloture to end debate on the current immigration bill when it comes before us next week. Other than the war on terror, there is nothing more important than fixing our broken immigration system, and we must keep working on it for as long as it takes to get it right, but right must include a process that earns the confidence of the American people, and this bill does not do that.

This problem has been years in the making and will take time to fix. We must secure the border first once and for all, verified by credible sources, without amnesty – you are here legally or you are not here. We also must make it easier for highly skilled workers to come to America to create jobs and expect and assist those here legally to become Americans by speaking our language and appreciating our history and culture.

I will oppose any bill that does not include these essential elements.”

Hear, f’ing, hear!

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:30 AM

Sorry for the double post…the first got caught up in the language filter, for “sh!te” I think.

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:41 AM

I called senator craigs DC office. The senator hasn’t said how he will vote.

I called his Boise office and she tried to tell me the same thing. I reminded her that as of last week he was going to vote for cloture. I asked if he had changed his mind. Well, it appears that he is still looking at the amendments and will decide when the time comes. Which sounds suspiciously like a yes vote to me.

So, I told her I wasn’t fooled by her answer and that any vote for cloture is a vote for the bill, and that I would be voting against the senator in 08 if he votes for cloture.

I’m going to fax the web addy for the payback site. I wonder if that’ll make a difference?

csdeven on June 22, 2007 at 12:06 PM

tickleddragon on June 22, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Subtlety is far from tomas’ strong point.

tomas is just an illegal alien troll trying to get this shamnesty bill passed ignore the little troll..

doriangrey on June 22, 2007 at 12:11 PM

Why didn’t Bush fight this hard for catching Bin Laden at Tora Bora?

Why didn’t he fight this hard for U.N. ambassador Bolton?

His priorities are screwy.

And we may be screwed.

profitsbeard on June 22, 2007 at 12:26 PM

As an aside…

I can see where this site is going…he vetoed embryonic stem cell funding and not a word…I still think you guys are nuts. I mean that in the nicest way.

tomas on June 22, 2007 at 10:02 AM

Apparently when the White House took up the Democrat tactic of race-card ad-hominem, the Bushbots took up the Democrat tactic of shameless message board Red Herrings. “This thread isn’t going in the right direction, so I demand you talk about this other topic that favors me!”

Lehosh on June 22, 2007 at 12:33 PM

tomas is the reverse to shamnesty of what csdeven is to Fred. Other than that you’re both cool.

Entelechy on June 22, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Maybe Jorge’s doing the country a favor without knowing it. The harder he pushes the piece of shinola amnesty bill the more people are going to be ready to vote for a true conservative the next time around. Can anyone name me a candidate who’s been more outspoken on the subject than Fred Dalton Thompson? Even if the bill passes, which I don’t think it will, people are going to be ready for a candidate who’ll push the enforcement part of it hard. FDT ‘08!

bdfaith on June 22, 2007 at 1:00 PM

Can anyone name me a candidate who’s been more outspoken on the subject than Fred Dalton Thompson?

bdfaith on June 22, 2007 at 1:00 PM

I can name two.

Tom Tancredo. This seems to be his one and only issue that he’s going to run on.

Duncan Hunter. Besides talking about it, he’s actually gotten a fence built in his part of CA. He’s pushing the administration to build the fence they are obligated by law to build. And he’s promised to have the full fence built within 6 months of inauguration if he’s elected.

This is not to take anything away from Fred! He’s talking a pretty good game right now and I’m convinced he’s going to run. But you asked the question.

cmay on June 22, 2007 at 4:34 PM

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