Lott: What we need is an electrified goat fence or something; Update: Pelosi sounds cautious; Update: McConnell wavering? Update: Pat Roberts to vote no on cloture

posted at 1:09 pm on June 21, 2007 by Allahpundit

We shouldn’t build a real fence; even goats can around that. What we need is a virtual fence like the electric fence he built on his property, which, granted, isn’t anything like a virtual fence except that they both require electricity and are sort of “tech-y.” You know what he’s sayin’, right?

Given the level of talent responsible for it, it’s amazing how good the amnesty bill is, you know?

Sen. Minority Whip Trent Lott, R-Miss., was talking to reporters Wednesday about the immigration bill, when he said, “If the answer is ‘build a fence’ I’ve got two goats on my place in Mississippi. There ain’t no fence big enough, high enough, strong enough, that you can keep those goats in that fence.”

“Now people are at least as smart as goats,” Lott continued. “Maybe not as agile. Build a fence. We should have a virtual fence. Now one of the ways I keep those goats in the fence is I electrified them. Once they got popped a couple of times they quit trying to jump it.”

“I’m not proposing an electrified goat fence,” Lott added quickly, “I’m just trying, there’s an analogy there.”

The discourse thus elevated, Latino groups respond in kind. Meanwhile, a provocative theory from the Influence Peddler: Is Pelosi trying to kill the shamnesty? She’s planning to hold “listening sessions” on the issue with the Democrats even though (a) everyone’s already said whatever they’re going to say and (b) it’ll delay the House bill, which she can ill afford to do so since the longer it’s delayed, the closer we get to the election, the less anyone on either side wants to touch the hot potato. Hence IP’s theory that the sessions are just a ruse to drag out the process until it’s so politically inconvenient that the matter drops. The conventional wisdom is that Pelosi wants it to pass knowing that it’s now or never for the Dems to ram it through so that they can share culpability with a Republican president. But the CW may be undergoing death by poll: between the lowest confidence ratings evah in the new Gallup survey and the Zogby interactive showing three percent approval on this issue, the Dems can’t afford to play with it for much longer. From the CQ piece the Peddler links:

Democratic divisions have, to this point, been obscured by Republican infighting. But when the House considers an immigration bill, the majority of House Democrats are likely to be at odds with swing-district colleagues, particularly freshmen whose 2006 electoral victories gave Democrats their first House majority in a dozen years.

“I oppose the bill,” said Democratic Rep. Jason Altmire, a freshman who unseated Republican Melissa A. Hart in western Pennsylvania’s socially conservative 4th District.

Being able to cast a vote against an immigration bill may not be a strong enough political shield for swing-district Democrats worried about 2008. “I wouldn’t want this to be viewed as a Democratic initiative,” Altmire said.

I wrote about that the other day. This isn’t a key issue for the Democratic base so why put her Blue Dogs in play, especially when she’s going to have to get tough on Iraq this summer and that might not play well in their districts? Letting the issue drop would be a smart short-term strategy. And a very foolish long-term one.

It might not even come to that, actually: Captain Ed is reporting that Kay Bailey Hutchison, one of the critical fence-sitters according to Kate O’Beirne, will announce today that she’ll vote against cloture, coincidentally the day after those bombshells from Gallup and Zogby. A poll a day keeps the amnesty away…

Update: Another hopeful sign — the amnesty coalition begins to fracture.

Update: Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, congressional staffers show their respect to amnesty opponents:

The pro:con ratio of calls [related to the Immigration bill] is probably 1:19 here. That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

Update: What does this mean?

“I’m optimistic now that there’s a chance that they will be able to get a bill out,” Pelosi said in an interview conducted on Wednesday by Jonathan Singer of the liberal blog MyDD.com. “It all depends on the leadership of the president. If he cares enough about it, which I believe he does, then the Senate will pass comprehensive, bipartisan immigration legislation.”

However, Pelosi did not offer an endorsement of the immigration bill, even if it manages to pass the Senate.

“We’ll watch it very carefully to see what it is and see what we can do to either improve upon it or possibly reject it,” she said. “But again, it has to meet certain standards. We have our standards. We’ve put them out there. Secure our borders, workplace enforcement, protect our workers, non-exploitation of the people coming in and a path to legalization for the millions of people in the United States now.”

Update: Hark, the sound of amnesty creaking!

Update: The anti-amnesty momentum builds — Pat Roberts will also vote no. More killer polls, stat!

Update: They don’t kill it “shamnesty” for nothing.


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“Now people are at least as smart as goats,” Lott continued

Not all of them Mr Lott.

Zetterson on June 21, 2007 at 1:13 PM

What we need is to clean house.

I guess Trent is against fences around prisons, nuclear power plants, military bases, homes, etc., etc.

Trent has lost his mind to the point of looking like a complete fool or, worse, a person who thinks the American people are fools.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2007 at 1:17 PM

They obviously think we are all fools…then again,somebody voted for them.

DCJeff on June 21, 2007 at 1:20 PM

Then why not open the borders to the drug dealers, no fence is high enough or strong enough to keep them out?

Why put prisoners in prison? Everyone has been broken out of at least one of them?…why put a congressman in jail, every one has gotten out? Why get married, you can get a divorce?
Why ask stupid questions or make stupid comments and insult your base…unless your a congressman.

At least with a goat if it causes problems you get rid of it…we pay for a stupid congressman forever.

right2bright on June 21, 2007 at 1:21 PM

The GOP needs to take a real close look at this fool then ask themselves why their contributions are tanking. Is there any question why the Republicans lost the senate?

rplat on June 21, 2007 at 1:23 PM

Lott should have a conversation with Krauthammer about the effectiveness of fences. But why do I think he knows that a fence will be effective and that is why he’s against it? What a slimeball.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/14/AR2007061401742.html

Zetterson on June 21, 2007 at 1:24 PM

Did Lott just call illegal immigrants goats who need to be popped a few times?

nailinmyeye on June 21, 2007 at 1:27 PM

goats. Heh.

Editor on June 21, 2007 at 1:27 PM

There ain’t no fence big enough, high enough, strong enough, that you can keep those goats in that fence.

Now one of the ways I keep those goats in the fence is I electrified them.

Let’s see. That would be the fence that can’t contain them, or is it can contain them?

Given the level of talent responsible for it, it’s amazing how

anything from Congress is, uh, successful? Oh, never mind.

IrishEyes on June 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM

I would have bet a million I was going to find something like this. Lott co-sponsored the following Senate resolution

S.RES.408 [108th]

Title: A resolution supporting the construction by Israel of a security fence to prevent Palestinian terrorist attacks, condemning the decision of the International Court of Justice on the legality of the security fence, and urging no further action by the United Nations to delay or prevent the construction of the security fence.

Sponsor: Sen Smith, Gordon H. [OR] (introduced 7/20/2004)

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM

From your lips to Allah’s ears.

Or something like that. You get the idea.

Shtetl G on June 21, 2007 at 1:29 PM

Another great legislator speaks.

The more I hear from him, the smarter I feel. What a tool…of big business.

robman27 on June 21, 2007 at 1:30 PM

So, Senator Lott, if fences don’t work can you explain to the American people why you co-sponsored a resolution supporting Israel’s building of a security fence to prevent Palestinian terrorist attacks?

Lying hypocrite.

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2007 at 1:31 PM

Palamino.

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 21, 2007 at 1:31 PM

That man is an idiot.

Pulchritudinous Patriot on June 21, 2007 at 1:32 PM

If that shiite from BigOldDog doesn’t make it into an UPDATE there is no justice.

Editor on June 21, 2007 at 1:34 PM

TheBigOldDog on June 21, 2007 at 1:28 PM

Good work! Exposing the fool turns out to be much to easy eh… Now I’d love to have just one person amoungst our illustrious press corps ask him about that. Haha. I can dream can’t I?

Zetterson on June 21, 2007 at 1:34 PM

For some reason, his southern accent isn’t making his point sound any more reasonable.

JackStraw on June 21, 2007 at 1:36 PM

And thus began the decline of Western civilization, not with a bang but with an electrified goat fence.

Blacksheep on June 21, 2007 at 1:39 PM

Strom Thurmond debacle Redux.

“Once they got popped a couple of times they quit trying to jump it.”

Hmmm.

And you just know that along with being stupid that he’s corrupt as hell too.

Beautiful.

there it is on June 21, 2007 at 1:40 PM

Man, I wish Lott’s MS Senate seat wasn’t so safe. What a douchebag.

Hoodlumman on June 21, 2007 at 1:42 PM

Hi.

I’m a tin-eared retard.

Sincerely,

Trent Lott

thirteen28 on June 21, 2007 at 1:52 PM

Mr. Lott: To keep your goats inside the fence you have to build the entire fence not just part of a fence.

db on June 21, 2007 at 1:54 PM

(*****spit*****) Somebody say something about goats getting around fences? Must be one of those profit-goats. Nothing will stop em.

Limerick on June 21, 2007 at 2:00 PM

From Three Amigos: “He called me a son of a motherless-goat!”

kiakjones on June 21, 2007 at 2:02 PM

Update: Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, congressional staffers show their respect to amnesty opponents:
The pro:con ratio of calls [related to the Immigration bill] is probably 1:19 here. That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

Hahaha. And I’m sure Congress’ 14% approval rating has nothing to do with this either. It was just that everyone they poll happens to be the type who sits on the couch and eats potato chips all day. All the people who work looove the way Congress is handling the border enforcement debate. Oh wait, don’t they have a 3% approval rating on that issue alone?? Oh I see, this time they just polled an even higher percentage of those “not working” types. Whoever wrote that email is surely more stupid then a goat.

Zetterson on June 21, 2007 at 2:03 PM

The pro:con ratio of calls [related to the Immigration bill] is probably 1:19 here. That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

I’m confused… They think that all the people against it are liberals and those for it are all conservatives???

;^)

db on June 21, 2007 at 2:04 PM

A little off topic but I got the NRSC strategy ballot yesterday from Mr. Lott et al. They wanted to know major voter issues. I popped them with kill Amnesty, enforce immigration laws etc. At the end they asked for my generous donation. I checked the “other box” wrote in a big, fat zero and told them to kill the amnesty bill then talk to me about donating.

I share this because in my little world I imagine trent Lott eating rolaids and muttering “D*mn him! D*mn him!! ” to himself while gazing at my response.

A man has to hope I guess.

By the way,
thirteen28 that last post was pretty darn funny to me.

Trooper on June 21, 2007 at 2:08 PM

Lets see if 1 out of 19 calls is pro amnesty bill that would mean that the calls flooding into the elected official’s office is showing 5.3% approval for the Amnesty bill. But the polls are showing 3% approval for the way Congress is handling this issue. It would actually be more accurate to say that 1 out of every 34 calls coming into the office are pro amnesty bill. That is of course if the calls are truly representative of the opinions of the American voters.

Zetterson on June 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM

Wow. Have you guys seen this webiste that was linked in the latest update?

http://www.thecapitolist.com

Absolutely speechless.

Someone take screenshots so they can’t delete their posts.

WisCon on June 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM

Douchebag.

I recall during the frenzy of the Clinton-Lewinski story a quote from Don Hewitt, lefty producer of 60 Minutes, about Clinton. He said something like “people are saying Clinton is too immoral to be my President, or too unprincipled to be my President; if this is true I think he’s just too stupid to be my President!”

It’s stunning to me what a stupid bunch of M-Fers we’ve elected to the Senate…

Jaibones on June 21, 2007 at 2:20 PM

That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

Oh good. If we have that many unemployed folks, we won’t be needing all those illegals, after all.

thebriand on June 21, 2007 at 2:24 PM

Trent Lott and the rest of the Rino’s are counting on voter apathy and the MSM scare tactics (remember Mark Foley) to keep them in office. There is a little truth to their assumption, if the neocons were to take to the streets and get very vocal at rallies and such this shamnesty would vaporize. We need to turn up the heat to broil!

sonnyspats1 on June 21, 2007 at 2:31 PM

Wow. Have you guys seen this webiste that was linked in the latest update?

http://www.thecapitolist.com

Absolutely speechless.

WisCon on June 21, 2007 at 2:16 PM

No kidding! Here’s a few more:

State staffers live in a bubble. They eventually become who they talk to the most- crazy constituents. Dont even get me started on the passport crisis.

How is your office handling the immigration phone calls/comments from residents of states other than the one your member represents? We tell them, politely, to fuck off.

How is your office handling the immigration phone calls/comments from residents of states other than the one your member represents? With the ‘delete’ button

which office has girls with the most, huh, ‘flexible’ morals?

RushBaby on June 21, 2007 at 2:42 PM

There’s also an analogy between Trent and Sam Donaldson’s hair, but it escapes me at the moment!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 21, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Oh yeah, both of them are a phony as their hair.

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 21, 2007 at 2:57 PM

Dear Mr. Lott…

As a long time Electronic Engineer, and someone who has worked on farms and ranches, I can tell you that I CAN build a fence your goats won’t get through, jump over, or dig under.

That the goats intelligence exceeds your engineering capabilities is NOT a reason to build the border wall.

Romeo13

PS: Have you told PETA about your little goat electical experiment?

Romeo13 on June 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM

Those updates are great.

I guess that 3% approval rating kind of made an impression.

INC on June 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM

The pro:con ratio of calls [related to the Immigration bill] is probably 1:19 here. That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices can’t speak English.

Fixed it, Si?

fogw on June 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM

That the goats intelligence exceeds your engineering capabilities is NOT a reason to NOT build the border wall

Grrrr… fixed…

Romeo13 on June 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM

Update: They don’t kill it “shamnesty” for nothing.

May your Freudian slip, or wit, be materialized!

Entelechy on June 21, 2007 at 3:20 PM

There ain’t no fence big enough, high enough, strong enough, that you can keep those goats in that fence.”

First of all, we are not requesting to keep them in, we want to keep foreign invaders OUT.
Secondly, if a fence is not an effective tool, do it right and have a real border that is secure: land mines, heat sensing and tracking laser canons and packs of rabid squirrels (or spider monkeys – Morocco may be willing to sell us some).
/sarc off – kind of

jeffNWV on June 21, 2007 at 3:30 PM

That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

Are these ‘intelligent’ staffers now claiming that illegals not only “do the jobs Americans don’t want to do” but are the only ones who’re working (in addition to some liberals, some senators and congressmen, businessmen who break the laws, lobbyists,…)? Nice!

Entelechy on June 21, 2007 at 3:32 PM

Concerning the update about the empty boxes. I highly doubt there even were legitamate lettes in the first place, and if they do exist are they from US citizens. This whole premise of the illegals having a voice in the US government sets a very dangerous precident of foreign influence on the country. The UN is trying to get a foothold here in the worst way with international law and the whole nine yards. By the way I think Hillary would be open to disolve US sovereignty in her alignment with the Trilateral Comission.

sonnyspats1 on June 21, 2007 at 3:37 PM

didn’t we send him some brinks?

Pam on June 21, 2007 at 4:00 PM

Update: They don’t kill it “shamnesty” for nothing.

From your lips to God’s ears… oh…. forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind!
And why does Lott want to keep these poor little goats confined?? They only want to eat the grass that the sheep won’t eat. And their goat-poop is so good for the environment. They give back FAR MORE than they take from our society! Free the goats!!

lan astaslem on June 21, 2007 at 4:32 PM

Lott Logic:

Mexicans equal clever goats.

Goats need to be electrocuted several times.

Ergo?

And these a$$clowns are calling their base “bigots”?

(As someone who has had LaMancha goats, they are devilishly clever -which is why all mythological Satans have horns, I would wager- and can limbo under electrified wire if it is not low enough, and will Magic Johnson over them if they aren’t strung high enough… all of which has nothing to do with the border… where we need double walls, with a security road between, motion and seismic sensors, thousands more agents, predator drones, infrared scanners, atc, etc. to defend and secure our nation.)

profitsbeard on June 21, 2007 at 4:45 PM

They only want to eat the grass that the sheep won’t eat. And their goat-poop is so good for the environment. They give back FAR MORE than they take from our society! Free the goats!!

Ian, that was awesome.

Editor on June 21, 2007 at 4:53 PM

The utter perversity of Senators like Lott (Graham, etc) is absolutely amazing. Now they’re openly mocking any pretense of security and border enforcement even before they ram the Shamnesty Bill through the Senate.

clark smith on June 21, 2007 at 4:53 PM

The utter perversity of Senators like Lott (Graham, etc) is absolutely amazing. Now they’re openly mocking any pretense of security and border enforcement even before they ram the Shamnesty Bill through the Senate.

clark smith on June 21, 2007 at 4:53 PM

Wouldn’t that be a way for us to get electricity sent to power starved California? A huge (Think of the ones in Jurassic Park) electrical fence.

Tim Burton on June 21, 2007 at 5:06 PM

Now people are at least as smart as goats,” Lott continued

Maybe outside Washington DC.

Wade on June 21, 2007 at 5:07 PM

From the NRO link

Based on talking with well-informed sources, this is the most accurate list I’ve seen of the Republican senators whose intentions are unknown and whose support will be needed in order to defeat cloture: Richard Burr (N.C.), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kit Bond (Mo.), Pat Roberts (Kan.), Gordon Smith (Ore.), Thad Cochran (Miss.), Mike Crapo (Idaho), Norm Coleman (Min.), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Tex.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Bob Bennett (Utah), and John Sununu (N.H.).

HA alert – consider running a countdown (similar to the one in the past on who said/didn’t say what) on all of the above, to expose/identify clearly ahead of the vote where these senators stand.

Entelechy on June 21, 2007 at 5:11 PM

Crapo is my guy and last time I checked he is a no on cloture.

csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 5:58 PM

I just called Crapo’s Boise office and talked to William. He said the senator is currently leaning no for cloture.

csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 6:03 PM

Seems a goat fence would work just fine for Trent Lott.

For grownups though a good start would be the fence that was promised and the public is demanding.

A virtual fence is just another virtual bait and switch just like the 700 miles of fence that should already be about half built with multiple contractors and the National Guard working together that will probably not see the light of day until after the next election when all of the goats and goat herders are put out to pasture.

Speakup on June 21, 2007 at 6:10 PM

I propose a 50% tax on any money wired to Mexico from the U.S. or her territories. Use the money to give ME a frickin’ tax cut!

Now, eat that like your goats, Mr. Lott!

SouthernGent on June 21, 2007 at 6:15 PM

Questions…would a person from Nigeria who is in this country illegally get amnesty?

and most people want us out of Iraq…does that mean we should leave?

tomas on June 21, 2007 at 6:30 PM

The pro:con ratio of calls [related to the Immigration bill] is probably 1:19 here. That’s because the people who are “for” it are busy working and not calling Senate offices.

Are these people congressional Staffers or channeling Lee Elia?

major john on June 21, 2007 at 9:46 PM

Get this congenital idiot, crypto-Democrat out of office. this jackass should be hanging with Robert Byrd drinking moonshine in a shack. He has gone creepy.

pat on June 22, 2007 at 12:39 AM

pat on June 22, 2007 at 12:39 AM

And why exactly does Byrd have to be drinking moonshine in a shack? At least he’s voting no on this junk.

hollygolightly on June 22, 2007 at 12:01 PM

Five “GOP” Senators I would want to see replaced (even if it is by Blue Dog Democrats) – Graham, McCain, Hagel, Lott and Lugar.

Hilts on June 22, 2007 at 12:22 PM

Lamar Alexander is a ‘no’ vote on cloture. I just called his office. Call and thank him.

PRCalDude on June 22, 2007 at 2:38 PM

So the Democratic leadership slowly backs away because it is not a bedrock issue for them. Leaving Lott, Chavez, Bush, etc. hanging in the wind (Kennedy can do no wrong in the Dem leadership). McCain has lost all credibility on this issue.
We and middle America are pissed off at Bush,et al, and the Dem leadership states that it was a bit ill conceived and will take it up later. They yak it up about securing the border…thus pulling the rug out from under the Republican party. Brilliant, and our guys are too stupid to figure it out. Middle America wants a secure border and our guys (the ones in power) aren’t giving it to them.
Hillary is swept into the Office along with Pelosi. Kennedy will get his bill, and Lott is soon forgotten.

right2bright on June 22, 2007 at 2:59 PM