AP: Bush set to close Gitmo; Everyone else: No, he’s not

posted at 6:55 pm on June 21, 2007 by Allahpundit

This is one of those subjects like global warming that’s so caked over with demagoguery that it’s hard to remember what the actual issues look like underneath. Between the constant screeching about what The World thinks of us, the ever expanding definition of “torture,” and the predictability of reactions to the prisoners’ publicity stunts, the debate is so poisoned with bad faith that it’s not even worth writing about. So here’s your blockquote. Feel free to hash it out in the comments.

I like to think it was the poems that moved him.

The Bush administration is nearing a decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and move the terror suspects there to military prisons elsewhere, The Associated Press has learned.

President Bush’s national security and legal advisers are expected to discuss the move at the White House on Friday and, for the first time, it appears a consensus is developing, senior administration officials said Thursday.

The advisers will consider a new proposal to shut the center and transfer detainees to one or more Defense Department facilities, including the maximum security military prison at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, where they could face trial, said the officials. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing internal deliberations.

Minor postscript to the story via K-Lo at the Corner: It’s a load of crap. Or maybe Bush simply doesn’t want people to know right now lest it complicate the rocket ride to glory he’s taking on the Starship Amnesty.


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If he closes Gitmo, I’m ready for his impeachment.

omnipotent on June 21, 2007 at 6:58 PM

I think the Supreme courts blocking of trials for Gitmo leaves little wiggle room.

I have no problem deporting these bad guys back to afganistan and making them “Disappear”

William Amos on June 21, 2007 at 7:03 PM

His wife, Laura, and mother, Barbara, along with Rice and longtime adviser Karen Hughes, head of the public diplomacy office at the State Department, have told him that Guantanamo is a blot on the U.S. record abroad, particularly in the Muslim world and among European allies…

Earlier this month, former Secretary of State Colin Powell called for the immediate closure of the prison, saying it posed an untenable foreign policy risk and was irreparably harming the U.S. image abroad.

I’m soooo moved!

Entelechy on June 21, 2007 at 7:05 PM

But wait. Some of the Club Gitmo guests would rather stay.

JammieWearingFool on June 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM

Gitmo should close just like Spandau prison closed, when the last Nazi prisoner died. We should not be driven by the lies of our Muslim enemies abroad nor those of the partisans at home who seek to gain power at the nation’s expense.

Closing Gitmo does not solve the problem but rather kicks the problem further down the road. When we give in to slander of ill treatment at Gitmo, it won’t get better at Leavenworth. If anything, it will encourage the enemies of America on to new and greater fabrications.

Worse yet, it does improve the legal position of the terrorist prisoners whose supporters can more effectively lobby for their release.

What’s forgotten in this issue is that the terrorists placed themselves outside established law, not America. Those who support the prisoners are trying to move the venue for their legal processing from international law concerning the conduct of war, where the terrorists suffer great disadvantage, to the domestic law of the US, where terrorists enjoy enormous advantages and acquire many rights. Basically, the supporters of the terrorists are shopping for the best courts to free these monsters so that they can do more evil.

Tantor on June 21, 2007 at 7:11 PM

Heh, if he closes it I wonder if I can unload those last couple hundred Gitmo cookbooks… maybe they’ll be collectible or something. (Yeah, right…) Seriously, I don’t know how he can close it, when he’s done so much to justify keeping it open. Amnesty, he’s been for since Day One and never tried to hide it. This isn’t the same at all.

Laura on June 21, 2007 at 7:14 PM

omnipotent on June 21, 2007 at 6:58 PM

I’m sort of surprised no one’s mentioned impeachment on the Dems side. What happened? For almost 6 straight years “Impeach Bush” was a mantra. Now they’re all silent.

wherestherum on June 21, 2007 at 7:18 PM

I can’t imagine that he’d close it. At some point the Dem candidates or the Dem nominee will have to explain what they plan to do with the detainees after they close Gitmo on 1/20/2009 – release them? pardons? trials in criminal court? military tribunals? Why would Bush let them off the hook so easily? Oh wait, he probably promised Ted Kennedy that he would close Gitmo if Kennedy would go against his better judgment and support the amnesty.

rw on June 21, 2007 at 7:20 PM

The question of closing Gitmo comes down to this: What do you do with the people there?

Obviously you aren’t going to let them go – although setting them loose in Times Square has it’s own perverse attraction…

jeffshultz on June 21, 2007 at 7:36 PM

But would they be eligible for Z visas?

Laura on June 21, 2007 at 7:37 PM

I agree with Tantor.

The enemy combatants should be tried. Those who are convicted should remain at Gitmo.

Gitmo should close just like Spandau prison closed, when the last Nazi prisoner died.

slp on June 21, 2007 at 7:43 PM

If Gitmo is moved, maybe they can move the prison to a very very cold place. Do we still have a base in Greenland?

pabo on June 21, 2007 at 7:55 PM

If he closes Gitmo, I’m ready for his impeachment.

omnipotent on June 21, 2007 at 6:58 PM

Even if the reason he closes it is because he executed all the terrorists there?

Tim Burton on June 21, 2007 at 7:57 PM

The advisers will consider a new proposal to shut the center and transfer detainees to one or more Defense Department facilities, including the maximum security military prison at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, where they could face trial, said the officials.

Gee, I bet that makes everyone in the Kansas City metropolitan area feel comfortable.

What an idiotic move! Why would they even consider transporting these hardcore terrorists from a secure prison in Cuba into our cities and communities? If Bush does this, his approval rating will even go lower because nobody will support him.

This is outrageous. He is considering giving these foreign terrorists Constitutional rights and trying them in the U.S.. All because his liberal advisers are more worried about what foreigners think of us than doing the thing best for America.

januarius on June 21, 2007 at 8:12 PM

He is considering giving these foreign terrorists Constitutional rights

Didn’t the courts already do that?

Laura on June 21, 2007 at 8:38 PM

If he closes Gitmo, I’m ready for his impeachment.

omnipotent on June 21, 2007 at 6:58 PM

Oh yay. This is exactly why I looove the blogosphere so much.

/eyeroll
//wish I hadn’t been steered to that particular bit of typical blogospheric hysterical BS.

bamapachyderm on June 21, 2007 at 8:48 PM

I’ll be concerned about matters of national security when I get my secret clearance.

Until then, I’ll let those with that clearance make the decisions.

unamused on June 21, 2007 at 9:19 PM

Just a few more illegal aliens that hate America and all it stands for, no worries right?

Hening on June 21, 2007 at 10:53 PM

This is why you should shoot twhen you catch them -if they are out of uniform and thus qualify as “spies, saboteurs and terrorists”.

Field tribunals, firing squads, and no need for endless legal wrangling, propaganda wars, tax dollars wasted on prisons, korans, halal food, lawyers, useful idiots in the media, and the rest of this silliness.

profitsbeard on June 21, 2007 at 11:23 PM

It just gets better and better every freakin day don’t it?

Buzzy on June 22, 2007 at 12:01 AM

we should close gitmo in a week

that is after we’ve tried and executed everyone in there in a week

Defector01 on June 22, 2007 at 1:57 AM

What happened? For almost 6 straight years “Impeach Bush” was a mantra. Now they’re all silent.

Amnesty. He’s giving them millions of new voters and signing the death warrant of the GOP. And if amnesty doesn’t go through, him and the GOP will take all the punishment at the polls. It’s a win-win for them. Impeachment might rouse some in the public to defend him and they may suffer for it at the polls. Better to let his own base make the party suffer in general for what he’s pulling with the amnesty.

austinnelly on June 22, 2007 at 11:34 AM

There won’t be any punishment at the polls when the Immigration Bill fails. That’s why it will fail.

It has vocal, motivated opponents, and totally discredited proponents.

They’ve tried to fuck us, and they’ve failed.

I suspect the RNC is already seeing the fundraising environment that insulting and/or ignoring the base creates. I have sent three solicitations back in the past two weeks with…..advice…in lieu of actual money.

I mentioned that I was a Republican because I was conservative, not the other way round.

Martin on June 22, 2007 at 7:21 PM