Audio: Fred! rrrrips CAIR
posted at 10:55 pm on June 20, 2007 by Bryan
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Doug Ibrahim Hooper is not going to like this. Not one bit.
For years, CAIR has claimed to represent millions of American Muslims. In fact, they claim to represent more Muslim in American than … there are in America. This has alarmed Americans in general as the group often seems to be more aligned with our enemies than us — which isn’t surprising as it spun off from a group funded by Hamas. As you know, Hamas has been waging a terrorist war against Israel and calls for its total destruction. It also promises to see America destroyed. Nowadays, Hamas is busy murdering its Palestinian political rivals.
Even with this history, and CAIR’s conspicuous failure to condemn Hamas by name, it has been treated as if represents Muslim Americans by our own government. The good news is that the financial support CAIR claims to have among American Muslims is a myth. We know this because The Washington Times got hold of the group’s IRS tax records.
CAIR’s dues-paying membership has shrunk 90 percent since 9/11 — from 29,000 in 2000 to only 1,700 last year. CAIR’s annual income from dues plunged from $733,000 to $59,000. Clearly, America’s Muslims are not supporting this group — and I’m happy to hear about it.
Once you’ve read it, click over to hear Fred! read it. Something about that drawl beating up on CAIR just works.
As for the IRS records that he’s referring to, the WashTimes report on them came out last week. Here’s our post on it. CAIR disputes the report, but still hasn’t adequately explained why we shouldn’t believe its own tax records. Probably because it can’t.
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Fred! is so right on in his perceptions, in his common sense wisdom, that it amazes me.
I sincerely hope Fred! is our next president. This is the basic common sense and wisdom we need.
omegaram on June 20, 2007 at 11:02 PM
Well, it badly needs to be said and I’m glad Fred is saying it, but why is he the only one standing up to CAIR’s jihad by other means?
Tantor on June 20, 2007 at 11:03 PM
The question is indeed who is funding CAIR? Another arm of wahhabism would be my guess with their dedicated world education outreach.
Spirit of 1776 on June 20, 2007 at 11:04 PM
This could be deceipt on CAIR’s part too. One dude with a cell phone could be a “new chapter”, just to brag to media how many branches they have, in order to impress and claim relevance.
Entelechy on June 20, 2007 at 11:09 PM
There’s one thing that I want to know though. How will he stand up, when what he’s saying isn’t previously scripted? Everything we’ve heard from him is either pre-recorded, or is a speech in a friendly place.
Once he gets into a debate, and gets unexpected curve balls thrown at him, how will he stand up. We really don’t know yet.
amerpundit on June 20, 2007 at 11:12 PM
CAIR is probably like Baghdad Bob. No, No! We have literally 50 million members! With hundreds of offices!
Bad Candy on June 20, 2007 at 11:12 PM
Who knows? Maybe in another few years, when the next FBI report is forced to be released to media, it will have been ObL who’s funded them…
Entelechy on June 20, 2007 at 11:12 PM
HA HA HA 1700 members! We here at HA could beat those guys in a street fight.
sonnyspats1 on June 20, 2007 at 11:18 PM
Fry their grits, Fred!
With date palm oil!
profitsbeard on June 20, 2007 at 11:37 PM
csdevan carping about Fred! in 5 4 3 2 …
mrfixit on June 20, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Finally someone stands up to these trouble makers.
V15J on June 20, 2007 at 11:53 PM
I don’t think our resident anti-Fredhead wants a piece of this one.
steveegg on June 20, 2007 at 11:57 PM
I love the sound of his folksy voice. Man crush!
(I saw Newt tonight in Vegas and even got a pic with him. He’s brilliant and I hope his voice will be heard in the next election cycle. He has a lot of good things to say. Fred/Newt ‘08?)
Mojave Mark on June 20, 2007 at 11:59 PM
What drawl?
d1carter on June 21, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Well, it’s not that they can’t explain it but that they then would have to behead everyone who heard it. I’m guessing some part of the explanation has the words “different”, “bank” and “account” somewhere in it and possibly all close together.
Dusty on June 21, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Right Said Fred.
digitalintrigue on June 21, 2007 at 12:10 AM
It just came to me… if CAIR is so close to terrorism, what’s stopping it from fudging its tax forms? If they’re opening so many new chapters and spending so much cash while their membership dues have shrunk ($59K in, but $3M out), I think they’re trying to hide some cash… which is very likely to go to some very “special” destinations… like Hizballah or who knows what else.
AlexB on June 21, 2007 at 12:14 AM
Just like I said, Fred! has been campaigning for a while now with remarks just like these.
That alone shows strategic brilliance, but when coupled with the way he comes down on the issues and the fact that he delivers the message so well, I’m afraid he’s unstoppable.
FRED!!1!
unamused on June 21, 2007 at 12:21 AM
I’m looking forward to seeing how he handles that.
infidel4life on June 21, 2007 at 12:41 AM
fred? is clearly qualified to be Mitts! press secretary. But of course, he cannot field any questions from the press afterward.
har dee har har har.
Actually I think we’ve seen exactly how fred? is gonna handle a debate.
Leno
Robinson
London Q&A
Sadly, the hype over fred? being the savior is showing itself to be just wishful thinking.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 12:47 AM
I think it says a lot that Fred said that and not Rudy McRomney let alone anyone on the DEM side of the aisle. Bravo Fred for saying what so many of us have been thinking for so long.
Buzzy on June 21, 2007 at 12:57 AM
So.. now your problem with him is we don’t know if he can speak well in a debate… and thats your over riding criteria for President?
I’d rather have someone who sees the issues clearly, and is speaking out with a credible Conservative voice… and has NOT flip flopped as the political wind has changed…
I’ll take a guy who can’t speak well in a debate over…
Mitt the flipper…
Ghouliani who ran a sanctuary city…
McCain who is giving our country away… and conveniently misses every important War and Border vote…
Romeo13 on June 21, 2007 at 1:05 AM
Hmm…..
You were so wrong, steve…
Bad Candy on June 21, 2007 at 1:06 AM
I’ve had a serious liking for Fred! for the past few months. This one sent me over the edge however. I now have a full on man crush.
SillyRyno on June 21, 2007 at 1:07 AM
Nobody’s stopping any of the 10 current Republican candidates from articulating the political issues that Fred! has in the past few months.
If Rudy
McRomney are so great, why isn’t there media/blog coverage of their poignent and brilliant insight.Hell, Allah’s pulling for Rudy (that sounds bad) and even the Great One (pbuh) can’t stop posting about the Fred!ster.
Face it, people want another Republican candidate to enter the race.
Fred! or Newt?
omnipotent on June 21, 2007 at 1:13 AM
the reddest of meat
brewt on June 21, 2007 at 1:30 AM
So start the investigations if elected. And it better be better than the Chinagate fiasco.
pat on June 21, 2007 at 1:41 AM
So sue me.
steveegg on June 21, 2007 at 1:46 AM
It is between Fred and Mitt for me. I have been leaning Mitt and have been somewhat disappointed with all the hype from Fred. But this is some good red meat right here. Keep telling it straight Fred and you may win me over.
lan astaslem on June 21, 2007 at 3:59 AM
I like the fact Thompson criticizes CAIR. Can you imagine wimpy President Bush doing the same?
Still, I disagree with Thompson; CAIR does reflect the opinions of most Muslims in America. They want the destruction of Israel and think of themselves as Muslims first and Americans second, particularly the younger generation.
Look at the statistics from the last election: Muslims went for Webb 92% over Allen 8%. 50,000 voted (including those who were not supposed to vote being here on green cards), and it was more voting against Allen because of his support for the War Against
TerrorMuslim Brothers.CAIR can get out the vote. They essentially, through their efforts in Virginia, made the Senate Democratic since Webb won only by about 10,000 votes.
januarius on June 21, 2007 at 6:54 AM
A president has to be articulate. fred? can be, as long as he has a script, or in an interview where the host leads him to the answers.
And no, that isn’t the only issue. But I’m not going to explain that to you because this thread will be hijacked by the csdeven haters with their bitchy whining about how many times I’ve pointed out freds? history and weaknesses. They heard it before and since they have heard it, they apparently think everyone else has, and frankly, they probably don’t really care if anyone else has. See, it’s ALL about them and what makes they comfortable. I don’t see why, if reading about freds? real history bothers them so much, they keep reading what I write about fred?. I guess I have the uncanny ability to force people to do things that they don’t really want to do. The problem is I’ve tried to force these same people to give me money, but as of yet, no cash has arrived. I wonder why it is that I can make them mad, but I can’t make them give me money?
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 7:44 AM
I think thou protesteth too much.
Do you maybe have a little latent thing for Fred…maybe a little twinge when you hear his deep resonating voice…don’t fight it, feel him…he is calling you…don’t fight it, you know you want to…you do think of him often…you blog everytime you see his name, you can’t stop…you can’t stop…you can feel him, think about him, write about him, dream about him…you can’t resist…come to him…come to him…you are drawn to him…he is your a father figure, and you are such a bad boy…
right2bright on June 21, 2007 at 7:44 AM
Not only can Fred make Shrillery pee in her pants in a debate….he can make the Mooslams do the same (not to Shrillery, of course). This is a good man.
lynnv on June 21, 2007 at 7:47 AM
hahaha. That’s funny! Glad to see some of you get it.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 7:55 AM
I don’t know about that. Hillary and her crew have been, well, it has been suggested that there are some “suicides” that she has had a hand in.
fred? would be safer going after the jihadists. :-)
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 7:59 AM
Like it or not, csdeven does have a point regarding how Fred will do in a debate. Remember Bush’s aplomb dealing with Gore’s attempt to intimidate him during their debates? Given how close the election was, his performance may well have determined the outcome of the election.
People want to see how the candidates think on their feet, under pressure.
I look forward to seeing Fred in a debate. I think he will do quite well.
Lancer on June 21, 2007 at 8:31 AM
Fred is going to shake things up, big time. Just asking the question in public “who is funding CAIR” is enough to get the ball rolling. Fred is truly a creature of the new Internet communications age. Going to be really hard for the MSM to control Fred’s message.
tarpon on June 21, 2007 at 8:33 AM
I like how Fred is unapologetic about his opinions… just telling it like it is. When hairsplitting accusations come from the left, trying to find a nuance, trying to project an image of racism on him or whatever, he’ll just laugh at them and will look good while doing that.
AlexB on June 21, 2007 at 9:30 AM
Yes, just who is funding CAIR?
I can’t wait until we’re down to 5 or 6 GOP candidates so we can see how the campaign goes. Will anyone try to get the right of Fred on certain issues? Will he actually make the overall debate more lively?
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 9:46 AM
Perhaps it is because we have all been talking about the issues and how we think Fred stands on them. When one articulates in a cogent manner, we find people actually responding with reasoned arguments.
Frankly, my friend, when one comes off sounding like a fishwife, it’s hard to hear the message from the messenger. Derision, scorn, abusive language don’t carry the message; they reflect back on the one who delivers them.
Tennman on June 21, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Oh, sorry for the continuing post. I, too, am guilty as charged, for using the very same tactics when responding to csdeven. I will do my best to refrain from ad hominem attacks in the future.
Tennman on June 21, 2007 at 9:55 AM
Lancer on June 21, 2007 at 8:31 AM
I get a pretty good laugh out of that one every time I see it. Something about Fred having been a successful lawyer (assistant U.S. attorney no less), the debate and the pressure involved in a court room (especially at the federal level)make the presidential debates look like girl scouts bickering over who gets to use the bathroom next. But thats ok, csdevens can continue barking away like a furious junkyard attach chihuahua all he wants. I think just about everyone has recognized cs for what he is by now.
doriangrey on June 21, 2007 at 10:14 AM
I don’t think most people, or I myself, would come off very well in some kind of grandstanding debate forum - certainly not against some smooth talker such as William Jefferson Clinton.
That is much different than having a very high regard for someone who says [however imperfectly] what he believes and believes what he says.
Lamonte Thomas on June 21, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Debates aren’t what they used to be. Televised presidential debates, anyway. They are barely real debates at all. Candidates try to come off as slick, hoping to get in a one liner or two that the media will keep repeating. I seriously doubt that actual debates will sway a person one way or another. The talking heads will be there to tell everyone what to think, anyway.
A poor showing can kill you, but a great performance doesn’t help that much. All you have to do is play it safe, come off as a nice guy, and rehearse some nice one liners and wait for an opening. I’m sure Fred won’t have a problem in a debate*.
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 10:56 AM
I guess its a good thing Slick Willy isn’t running again! Shillary is no where near as slick or polished as His Slickness. I couldn’t stand him and didn’t believe him from day one (non-public school education) but do have give it to him as one of the most polish and slick speakers!
SSG Fuzzy on June 21, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Darn, wish there was a preview before posting!
SSG Fuzzy on June 21, 2007 at 11:00 AM
SSG Fuzzy on June 21, 2007 at 11:00 AM
I bet most of the candidate’s in presidential debates wished that too…
doriangrey on June 21, 2007 at 11:24 AM
I understand that his supporters want to discuss where he is on the issues. So do I. But his supporters trust what he says and I do not. Consequently our views will be different.
He sounds good when he reads from a prepared script, but so far he doesn’t come off well in free flowing discussions unless the host is leading him to the answers.
He is very vague with his answers. He says things like….”We need to be safer”. Well sure we do, but my vision of safe will be different than others. What happens if i vote for him and his version of safe is not what I call safe?
Another example. He has said several times that as long as his friends kids (who are serving in Iraq) are confident and upbeat, then he will be also.
He has said several times that the reason he is running is because his friends bugged him enough until he decided to run.
1st, I want to know what “safe” means to him and how he will do it.
2nd, I want a CinC to lead us in this war and make decisions based on what is best for national security, not follow soldiers who only have experience in a very limited view of the overall campaign.
3rd, The job of president has to be something you want and want real bad. He does not and has said on several occasions that there are a few things he wants to do. Well, as an executive, you have to WANT to do everything and not just a few things you have a passion for.
fred? does not want to lead. He wants to play it safe and find out what others want and then act on those polling results. That is a huge flaw in his qualification for the most powerful person on the face of the earth.
Beyond all that, I still can’t take him seriously because he is playing games with his non-announcement. I think this is an attempt to garner poll numbers that he can ride into the nomination without having to stand next to the real candidates and be judged. He, and the fredheads have made at least 5 different excuses as to why he hasn’t announced. And they come up with new ones every time their first theory is debunked by his inaction.
So, I am, and have been, waiting for WEEKS for the people who attack me to address those issues, but as of yet only a few have bothered.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 11:37 AM
I don’t think so. I think someone, maybe even Fred himself, let it slip that he might run before he was ready. Then everyone went bonkers because all the other candidates are so lackluster. I don’t think anyone has anything to fear about being judged with the current crop of candidates.
If he doesn’t have what it takes, then so be it. The primaries are way too far away to worry about it now. I don’t think momentum from June is going to carry into the primaries, haha…
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 11:58 AM
I may be that someone outed him, but I see no reason for statements like this when Leno point blanked him on his launch date….
“It doesn’t mean that it won’t be, but it certainly hasn’t been decided that it will be.”
That is purposely playing games especially when you take into account that he is acting like a candidate by engaging in all the machinations of a candidacy.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 12:19 PM
A caution we should all take with all candidates…or as someone great once said “trust then verify”.
right2bright on June 21, 2007 at 12:23 PM
It’s about time someone started pointing out CAIR’s activities and true goals…the aclu,liberals,and people like csdeven would do anything to turn your attention elsewhere so groups like this can continue to operate without the scrutiny that they merit.
DCJeff on June 21, 2007 at 12:45 PM
Okay, I’ll play.
1st. I want to know what “safe” means as well. I know what it means to me. I think that’s part of the vetting process after the candidacy is announced. And I WILL be looking for the answer as assiduously as you.
2nd. CinC is a tough job that requires input from all the processes — political, military, intelligence, economy. A policy decision based only on the military would not be sound. And I don’t get that limitation from what his answer was in a Q&A session. Again, it’s a trust issue. If I believed he was as shallow as you seem to indicate, it would be a problem for me as well. I, however, look at the body of work this man has done in the Senate and for the country as part of the essence of his statement. Again, waiting for the vetting-out period to see what the plan is. But I’m patiently waiting.
3rd, Why does the job of president have to be something desired almost covetously? The office isn’t the prize. The welfare of the country is. If the “some things I can only do as president” gets us the result, it will be refreshing change from the power-hungry DC crowd we have on the hill now.
The rest of the argument is conclusary. I say Fred! does want to lead, that’s why he’s going to become a candidate. Positioning himself for the nomination, “riding poll numbers” without doing — what? — all the mind-numbing things the “declared” candidates do is somehow wrong? Climbing on a stage with 10 other candidates to get a sound bite is somehow the refiner’s fire, burning away the dross? I don’t think so.
In my opinion, regardless of whether he’s made the “official” announcement, he’s playing on the same field with the rest of the candidates except for the debates. The field is the opinion of the American people. Fred!’s just going about it in a refreshingly new way. For Free.
Isn’t that the American way, to get the best value for the dollar?
I would also beg to differ that these questions haven’t been answered/discussed before. They have been, in increments, in topics like this one.
So as not to totally drive the Fred! thread off topic (I know; way too late) I find it absolutely astounding that a politician would actually tell you the truth about CAIR and challenge the assumption that Islam, wielded by the jihadists, is a religion of peace.
Shalom, cs. This Wyoming-Cowboy-cum-Tennessee-Transplant salutes the effort you made in delivering your argument. I don’t agree with it, but I very much appreciate the effort.
Tennman on June 21, 2007 at 12:48 PM
What a contrast between Fred! and FlipFlop Mitt:
Fred: CAIR is a terrorist-freindly organization funded by Middle Eastern interests.
Mitt: If only we give those poor Muslims more money and tell them how to spend it, maybe they’ll stop hating us.
Clearly Fred! gets it, while Mitt appears clueless.
That’s OK for you Flipper Mitt supporters though, stick around a few days and he’ll change his posistion soon enough.
Hollowpoint on June 21, 2007 at 1:12 PM
How do you get this….
From this…..
Threatened Islamic states are states threatened by the extremists. States that want to develop towards the goals he set forth. The difference with fred? is that he doesn’t articulate goals. He uses vague references designed to let the audience fill in the blank that they individually think he means.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 1:29 PM
OK, and? Did McCain-Feingold establish some new rules about how and when someone must declare their intentions?
Who cares what someone says on The Tonight Show?
Ask Howard Dean about having an early lead in the polls and a big internet fan base.
People are just having some fun with Fred, because he is saying all the things conservatives want to hear. I think once Fred gets in the race, it might get interesting.
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 1:38 PM
At least we are talking about fred? and not csdeven. I doubt AP would mind.
I guess finding out what “some things I want to do” means will be part of the vetting process for you?
I haven’t heard him get passionate about much and I have looked over his senate record many times. I don’t see a whole lot that make him stand out from others. And, his lobbying activities are not looking very favorable.
I am judging freds? actions against his words. He isn’t making a commitment. He tells us his friends convinced him to run.
A question….What kind of doctor would you want working on you? One that wants to do it because he sees the qualities in himself to accomplish it, or a doctor that has to be convinced he would do it well because others say he can?
How do you process his statement about his level of confidence in the Iraq war being linked to what a couple of soldiers think?
That is a better indication of his view of the role of president. Not the fact that he is thinking about running because his friends told him he should.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 1:42 PM
Now that’s just stupid. I don’t get why people are attacking each other over their choice of candidate, in their own friggin’ party.
Flipper Mitt - come on, you sound like a Democrat now. I’m so sick of hearing about flip-flops. It was a campaign strategy against Kerry that worked well, not it seems to be a litmus test for every candidate. “Oh, wait, he changed his position! - FLIP-FLOPPER! FLIP-FLOPPER!”
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 1:44 PM
And…it’s a sign of disrespect towards me. Someone who he wants support from.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 1:44 PM
Are you that damned dumb, troll, or just dishonest? What kind of “resources” besides money would prop up their educational, health care and banking system?
When Flipper Mitt called for a “new type of Marshall plan” for the Muslim world, maybe you’d have us believe that he’s somehow referring to Penny Marshall instead of the US effort to rebuild Europe after WWII with massive amounts of cash.
Mitt has made it clear he’s a Big Government guy, this is yet another example of how his answer to everything is yet more government.
Hollowpoint on June 21, 2007 at 1:53 PM
Are you that damned dumb, troll, or just dishonest? What kind of “resources” besides money would prop up their educational, health care and banking system?
When Flipper Mitt called for a “new type of Marshall plan” for the Muslim world, maybe you’d have us believe that he’s somehow referring to Penny Marshall instead of the US effort to rebuild Europe after WWII with massive amounts of cash.
Mitt has made it clear he’s a Big Government guy, this is yet another example of how his answer to everything is yet more government.
Hollowpoint on June 21, 2007 at 1:53 PM
I don’t think you really understand what you are talking about, which I guess would explain the descent into insults and hostility. I don’t think Fred would want his supporters making such hollow points.
/da-dum-dum
reaganaut on June 21, 2007 at 2:04 PM
You don’t think the Democrats won’t use it against him relentlessly in the unlikely event that FlipFlop Mitt gets the nomination???
Am I supposed to believe he’ll stick to conservative principles when he’s changed his position from those he held so recently?
Should I forget that he railed against the NRA when Governor, but now joined them running for the nomination? That he lied about being a “lifelong hunter” and gun owner? That he lied about when is supposed pro-life conversion took place? You can be damned sure the Dems won’t forget to attack him on his ambition-driven lies and inconsistancies.
Fred may be imperfect, but he’s the least imperfect of the very flawed, non-conservative Rudy McRomney pack. Fred speaks honestly and plainly about what he believes. What does Romney acutally believe in? Whatever his handlers and their poll results tell him tell him to believe at that moment.
Hollowpoint on June 21, 2007 at 2:09 PM
So is there anything can we legally do about CAIR?
And will this current Administration even bother?
Dave Shay on June 21, 2007 at 2:11 PM
Go through the approximately 8,345,894 mindless comments csdeven has made in any thread that remotely mentions Fred Thompson and perhaps you’ll understand.
Hollowpoint on June 21, 2007 at 2:13 PM
Exactly. Myself and many more who read this blog are intensely interested in the outcome of this next election. We all bring our life’s experience with us in evaluating and forming our judgments. One doesn’t actively participate in political discussions without having some zeal for politics.
It seems that our vetting-out process is based on two principles: trust and distrust. I trust the man and am waiting and hoping for substantial solutions to the problems he’s laid out.
Your hypothetical doesn’t exclude the question. Both are doctors, both are qualified. What if the first doctor was wanting to do a procedure that I didn’t need or want, and the second was using conservative treatment options to get me where I needed to go?
I process it with other comments he made. One of which was (paraphrasing) “It’s a complicated question, and I don’t have all the resources available to me that the commander has on a daily basis.” In other places he has said that retreating would be disastrous. And in others, he has said that we need to think about the day after Iraq; how will the world see us. A weakened America is not good for the world.
So taking all of those statements into account, there is not a wishy-washy answer, it’s a firm commitment on policy. His statement about soldiers on the ground is an encouraging statement. If we were having a majority of soldiers wonder what in the world we’re doing there, it might make a heck of a difference.
To my way of thinking, it’s not Fred! the idea; it’s Fred! as the candidate who most closely follows my desires for this country, and on whom my trust rests that he will follow through.
You don’t see it that way, I understand. We have to disagree on that. But we don’t have to disagree that we both want a conservative as the president, be it Mitt or Fred.
Tennman on June 21, 2007 at 3:00 PM
We do not disagree on that. That is for sure.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 3:19 PM
Did anyone see what Dick Morris’ take on fred? is? He was on Bill O tonight.
csdeven on June 21, 2007 at 9:02 PM
Dear Fred,
You are not telling us anything we don’t already know. The mystery over whether you will run or not is starting to bore me. So do us a favor and get into the race or pipe down.
Sincerely,
Calirighty
calirighty on June 21, 2007 at 10:57 PM