Video: Julie Banderas suggests novel punishment for Duke lax accuser
posted at 7:22 pm on June 17, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Not her first foray into “creative sentencing,” either. She once recommended the death penalty for the Phelps clan. No matter; my love is eternal, evergreen.
I’m thinking a JB/Wendy Murphy interview on this subject would be dynamite.
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Confiscation of the child? A novel idea… but not much of a deterrent for future cases were the accuser may not have a child. Something that affects people at all level is needed…
Instead… perhaps the accuser should face the same penalties that the accused would have faced if convicted. Sure taking tangible things might work, but is there any better way than to say “If you knowingly lie, you’ll face the same punishments as those you accuse did.”
Of course… that’s just her. In the case of Nifong, it’s a little more than just a bit of lies… it’s abuse of an official position of trust and authority. Fines? Jail time?Execution?
dahat on June 17, 2007 at 7:34 PM
JB rules.
Metro on June 17, 2007 at 7:46 PM
She’s a fine looking woman, but she’s a couple slices short of a loaf.
Pablo on June 17, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Hahahaha, better yet, chemically castrate her. Chemical castration is considered legitimate in cases of rapists, it should be a legitimate punishment for women who intentionally falsely accuse men of rape.
Rode Werk on June 17, 2007 at 7:53 PM
We can’t make an example out of anybody. This would seem to make sense but in our legal system, punishing this woman to make a point would be paramount to infringing on her rights, even though she was perfectly able to infringe on the rights of others. Add that she’s a minority and nothing will happen. Sure, she may get sued, but that’s not really punishing her the way these guys have been punished. I think the best thing that can come out of this is what has happened, and that is that Nifong has been canned, and rightfully so.
The many of us who sit and watch these fiascos unfold and think, “what the hell is going on with this country?” really need to make sure we speak out when we see the race card being played, as it was in this case. The Marxists have done a real fine job of making everything a collective concern instead of an individual one. This was not black vs. white, it was a lying scumbag vs. three innocent people–race need not even be mentioned in the first place. That the race thing was even an issue is an insult to every single American.
I’m waiting for Sharpton and the rest of the race hustlers to come out and apologize. I’m not holding my breath though.
Metro on June 17, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Later on, toward the end, they discuss Mangum’s alcohol and drug problems…I think that’s the basis Banderas is actually using to have the child taken away–not the false accusations.
I’d like to give her the benefit of the doubt here. She’s pretty sharp, and people do lose their children if they are habitual substance abusers.
IrishEi on June 17, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Mangum will skate. When quesions of the validity of her story first came out, including that she had been arrested in 2002[?] for trying to run over a police officer in a cab she had stolen, and that a previous rape charge had been dropped for [I think] lack of evidence, the phrase long history of emotional problems began to be oft repeated.
A few seconds of testimony from a “mental health advocate”, and she would be a victim anew. And I doubt any local court would want to wander into a cross-examination which begins with “Do you think everyone with emotional problems should have their children taken away from them?…”
eeyore on June 17, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Why does she get a pass. I am so tired of the judicial system in this country not enforcing our laws. What the hell is the sense of a law if no penalty viz Shamnesty.
Wade on June 17, 2007 at 8:10 PM
why do you think? she’s the classic liberal example of a victim. Minority, poor, single mom. She gets a pass because no one wants to be called a raaaaaaaaacist for actually punishing her for making false accusations.
pullingmyhairout on June 17, 2007 at 8:15 PM
What’s wrong with that?
Alex K on June 17, 2007 at 8:16 PM
> punishing this woman to make a point would be paramount to infringing on her rights
Oh? So she has the right to knowingly make false statements to police?
dahat on June 17, 2007 at 8:18 PM
There.
Jaibones on June 17, 2007 at 8:32 PM
JB seems to be an excellent replacement for KP, AP.
Don’t ya just love all of initials floating around! :-)
When are you going to introduce yourself? ;-)
TwinkietheKid on June 17, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Crystal Gail Mangum’s kids should have been taken away from her LONG before this ever happened. She’s a drunken, drugged up whore.
SouthernGent on June 17, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Be very careful what you say you may get your post deleted as did mine. This girl gets a pass from AP. That will teach her and teach us to be politically correct.
Wade on June 17, 2007 at 8:39 PM
Acording to FOX NEWS….But it wasn’t until much later that the defense received the background details of the test results, which indicated there was genetic material from several males found in the accuser’s underwear and body, but none from any member of the lacrosse team. EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW…..
Metro on June 17, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Florida has a law that makes it a felony to falsely accuse a person of a crime. The Duke players should petition their state legislature to follow suit!
sonnyspats1 on June 17, 2007 at 8:41 PM
Crystal Gail Mangum’s kids should have been taken away from her LONG before this ever happened. She’s a drunken, drugged up whore.
SouthernGent on June 17, 2007 at 8:39 PM
LOL Well thats a fine how do you do! LOL
sonnyspats1 on June 17, 2007 at 8:42 PM
I’ve been bad. Very, very bad. I have a punishment in mind for Julie to adminster. It’s very creative.
JackStraw on June 17, 2007 at 8:45 PM
Hmmmm…I wonder….if she sticks her head out the car window does it make a whistling sound?
ronsfi on June 17, 2007 at 8:46 PM
shame on you. I got my hands slapped for saying something very similar to that. I may even get fired for saying it as Imus did.
Wade on June 17, 2007 at 8:46 PM
Yes, that’s right, I’m giving Crystal Mangum a “pass” whereas you, poor baby, are being censored.
Lucky thing you have your own blog where you can make all the comments you want and Michelle won’t be held responsible for them, hm?
Allahpundit on June 17, 2007 at 8:46 PM
JB is a lovely, smart reporter… she had a great personal moment a few months ago relating her visit family in Columbia to one of the other FNC personalities… As for the accuser, justice will find her sooner or later.
Zorro on June 17, 2007 at 8:52 PM
The ’system’ is making a political decision that is just PC. Some things you just can’t change..
lsutiger on June 17, 2007 at 9:09 PM
I had been wondering what Gary Busey was up to.
Bill C on June 17, 2007 at 9:11 PM
The best take on what should happen to Nifong is located at Bad Eagle http://www.badeagle.com/journal/archives/2007_06.html
bucktowndusty on June 17, 2007 at 9:24 PM
HOT.
Enrique on June 17, 2007 at 9:37 PM
People are still whining about the accuser? Why not drop this mess and let all of these people get on with what’s left of their lives? This was truly a no win situation for everyone involved.
Having said that I wouldn’t lose any sleep if Nifong were to spend a couple of years in a NC State prison. At least not as much sleep as Nifong would lose (if you get my drift).
repvoter on June 17, 2007 at 9:54 PM
Simma down now, it was rhetorical. I was speaking as our lib bretheren would regarding law.
I’m all for throwing this drunken sleazebucket in jail. Hell, throw her arse out of the country for all I care. We’re not really lacking in strippers here. Canada can have her!
Metro on June 17, 2007 at 10:03 PM
Julie hits on a good point, though. Something should happen to people like Crystal Mangum. Just because she doesn’t have money isn’t a good enough reason not to sue. I still would. Heck, if she’s on assistance, take that away from her and give it to the lacrosse players. It won’t happen, but it should just to send a lesson to poor people.
jaleach on June 17, 2007 at 10:09 PM
It sounds like the accuser’s life is punishment enough. I suspect that one would be hard pressed to find people in Gaza willing to trade lots in life with her. In the end, her life choices will provide her punishment. I doubt anyone will be too surprised to read in the future that she was found dead of an OD or the victim of a serial killer targeting prostitutes.
rw on June 17, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Everyone from the accuser to the Black propagandists that supported her to the DA needs to have their face and names dragged through the mud for at least as long as the innocents did. That’s some form of justice along with a huge financial settlement for the White men that had to put up with this injustice.
Geez, even typing “White men” makes me seem so evil if it isn’t in derision.
Hening on June 17, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Allah,
I love your wit and humor. That’s a big reason you’re my 2nd favorite Blog. That being said, “Nuance” and “Exit Question” should hit the recycling bin.
gmoonster on June 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Second favorite??
Allahpundit on June 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM
Wendy Murphy… Defender of the likes of Nifong.
Maybe O.J. and Scott Peterson are in her future.
Or Richard Ramirez, They didn’t do it either right
Wendy ?
Texyank on June 17, 2007 at 10:40 PM
Lol, if it makes you feel better, y’all are making a strong run at #1
gmoonster on June 17, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Yeah, “nuance” can be dumped any time now.
Jaibones on June 17, 2007 at 11:07 PM
Mangum is reportedly mentally ill. If so, she was used by Nifong just like he used the lacrosse players. Nifong isolated her away from family when she was pregnatn, which means she probably wasn’t taking her med’s during the pregnancy, which woul dhave exacerbated her delusions. Mental illness (if she really is mentally ill) is not a choice, is not controllablew ithout therapy and meds, and is not something the sick person can control. Plus, she could not have done this on her own, only the power of the state, the power of the office of prosecutor, coul dhave made this happen. If she is not mentally ill, she should be held accountable, but if she is ill, and by all acccounts she is, Nifong destroyed what was left of her life…she will never, ever recover from this.
JustTruth101 on June 17, 2007 at 11:09 PM
Heart-Ache.
Bad Candy on June 17, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Aww, c’mon! No love for the Nuance? Question Allah, who did Nuance first, you or Ace? I always thought Ace did it first, but obviously I could be wrong here. I should know given that I go to AoS all the time and here too, but I can’t remember.
Bad Candy on June 17, 2007 at 11:14 PM
dahat,
I’m a strong advocate of the concept that an accuser must be held to the same potential sentence as those they accuse, if it is proven that their accusation is a lie. If you are going to try to ruin the life of someone who is otherwise innocent, just for money or fame, absolutely.
It would NOT be to “make a point”, but because she committed a crime, that of a knowingly false accusation. Which of “her rights” protects her from prosecution for a crime?
I’m fairly certain every state has a statute against false accusations. If North Carolina does not, your suggested action, while wise to pursue from a legal standpoint, would provide no relief for the students, because they could not accuse her of a crime committed prior to the existence of a relevant felony statute.
Freelancer on June 17, 2007 at 11:20 PM
Most rewarding about this case is the deafening silence from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and the Black Pnthers et all. Few winners, except a few millions in some banks soon, at what cost and paid for by the taxpayers. The losers are obvious, including justice up to now, politics, taxpayers, the accused foremost, parents, universities, sports, rational thought, the media, PC, etc., etc.
The decision/s to not go after the faux accuser is/are probably part of a series of deals to get to this point.
Significant and assuring conclusion for humanity – love is still blind. Or, perhaps just half blind (Phelps rationale ok)
Entelechy on June 17, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Make her pay. We need to send a message to race baiters and race pimps.
Mojave Mark on June 17, 2007 at 11:35 PM
how? and what would it accomplish?
(I’m getting tired of talk, people)
urbancenturion on June 17, 2007 at 11:44 PM
Let me go back and face the peril.
Dave Shay on June 18, 2007 at 12:03 AM
take the child and make nifong take care of it.
csdeven on June 18, 2007 at 12:07 AM
And the problem is…?
packsoldier on June 18, 2007 at 12:29 AM
If the accuser is found not competent and responsible enough to be charged with filing false charges, how in God’s name could anybody find her competent enough to retain custody of children?
B Moe on June 18, 2007 at 12:37 AM
We’ve seen a few cases like this in the last few years–cases that were headline news for days at a time. There was a girl in Wisconsin or Minnesota, who was lost and then claimed she had been kidnapped (my recollection of the details is sketchy, but I’m sure people remember this one); she got charged for making false statements to the police. The buggy-eyed runaway bride gal also got in similar trouble, although as in the previous case, no one was seriously harmed as a result of her prevarications. (The jilting probably left a mark on the fiancee, but the false statements themselves were probably not the source of that particular damamge.) Unless you’re Tawana Brawley, or this Mangum gal, and you have Al Sharpton as an attorney–wait–is it just me, or is there a pattern emerging here–you’re going to get in trouble if you make false statements to police. Make reverse racist false statements to police, with the Sharp-one fanning the flames, and there will likely be no consequences.
smellthecoffee on June 18, 2007 at 12:39 AM
That woman. That gorgeous woman. Lord forgive these thoughts.
Theworldisnotenough on June 18, 2007 at 1:07 AM
I suspect that the person you addressed this post stepped over the offensiveness line–one that is difficult to reach, if some of the posts which make it past the bar are any indication.
Here’s my take on Mangum: she is a part of a certain class–not just the lowest one, but a part of the absolute underbelly of our society that not only never aspired to reach higher than that in which she exists, but wallows in her lowliness–she will not only break laws but will take existing law and will attempt to twist “the law” to her advantage if she can.
Most of HA’s audience may not know anyone like that and, if I were inclined to give Nifong the benefit of the doubt (which I’m not), I’m betting that he doesn’t either; he is merely a short-sighted semi-imbecile that thought he saw an opportunity to ensure his reelection.
Is Mangum crazy? Maybe; maybe not. Perhaps she is a part of that class to which I referred who will try to gain advantage without regard to logic or morality. If she can, she’s in. If she can’t, oh well.
Nifong’s problem is that he knows nothing about this type of person and thought he could gain his own advantage via her crazy game.
If you ask me, he’s probably more stupid than Mangum.
baldilocks on June 18, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Neither Nifong nor Mangum would have gotten at all as far as they did if it weren’t for the vast number of Americans who’ve succumbed to brainless political correctness. It’s the same reason why Bush is stilled blamed for Katrina, anti-Americanism is still accepted as curriculum in our schools, Libby is going to jail, discussion about “climate change” isn’t confined to mental hospitals, and Iraq is separated from the war on terror. Political correctness rules. Nifong and Mangum merely rode the wave the rest of the country set up for them.
Halley on June 18, 2007 at 1:40 AM
I heard this live. And I was taken aback. Then I realized what she was getting at. This woman should not have kids. She is a parasite and a mental case. Go Julie. You know where the spanking hurts.
pat on June 18, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Frankly, I’d tune in just to watch Julie Banderas read names out of the phone book. And I bet Julie Banderas Reads Names Out of the Phone Book would do well in the ratings, too. Day-um. Not only is she fine, she’s sharp and has fire in her too.
As for Mangum, if she’s mentally competent to stand trial, she should suffer some kind of legal penalty for her patently false allegations. And if she isn’t competent, she has no business having custody of children, and screwing up the lives of another generation.
ReubenJCogburn on June 18, 2007 at 2:21 AM
Because the death penalty is “too good” for the likes of the Phelps clan, maybe? I don’t know. You tell me.
/snark off
CyberCipher on June 18, 2007 at 6:00 AM
Her children should be taken away from her based on her behavior, but Nifong’s the real villian here, anyone who’s spent time in bars (strip or otherwise)knows that people who decide to make a living there are often not, shall we say, stable. Nifong looked at a drug addict who couldn’t remember what happened that night and decided to make a run of it because it seemed like a good way to be elected. The truth is Magnum was crazy and everyone knew it.
Rob Taylor on June 18, 2007 at 6:15 AM
Instead of going after the accuser, who in many ways is poathetic, I would welcome more going after the Duke professors and the New York Times who were Nifong’s cheerleaders.
Phil Byler on June 18, 2007 at 8:32 AM
Haven’t had yet but need my morning coffee not to allow typos to get through.
Phil Byler on June 18, 2007 at 8:33 AM
Name calling now AP? You need a sense of humor sonny.
Wade on June 18, 2007 at 8:54 AM
Julie Banderas is a kick-ass, take no prisoners broad…a breath of fresh air in this day and age AND in the Conservative camp…GO JULIE !
DoctorDentons on June 18, 2007 at 8:55 AM
BTY – Luck have nothing to do with it. If you want to get into responsibility, why don’t you get your own blog again instead of posting under someone else’s protection? hm?
Wade on June 18, 2007 at 9:06 AM
Because this way he’s getting paid well? (That’s just my guess)
It’s not like Allah didn’t have his own blog before.
And who’s to say that AP would want those kind of comments on his own blog even if he wasn’t working for Michelle.
Esthier on June 18, 2007 at 9:30 AM
Now for the truly dysfunctional implication of political correctness:
A White Heterosexual Anglophone Male (WHAM) who demonstrates by his behavior that he’s sliding into the Underbelly, is subject to punishment that may discipline him to realize that his lifestyle won’t pay off for him. It doesn’t always help, but sometimes it does. Some of those boys get their minds right.
But a person who is a member of an Aggrieved Minority Group is immune from such correction, which increases the number of Underbelly members who can claim Official Victim Status.
PC taught CGM that BECAUSE she’s a black woman (extra points for two Victim categories), it’s OK for her to break the rules. It encouraged her to get comfortable with her destructive behavior. It isn’t as blatant as the classic “Well, you really can’t expect those people to behave like good white folks”, but the effect is the same. I believe President Bush calls this the “soft racism of low expectations”.
The Monster on June 18, 2007 at 9:59 AM
The thing about the stripper is that she’s hurt more than just those college kids. What she has done is far worse than what she claimed was done to her.
By lying about rape, she’s made it just that much harder for every other rape victim to be taken seriously.
Esthier on June 18, 2007 at 10:35 AM
The Duke lacrosse players should file their defamation lawsuit now, get an enormous judgment against their false accuser, and then wait for their false accuser to try to capitalize on her newly-found fame, or else wait for her to sue Nifong. The judgment might not ever be collectable, but in this day and age I would be surprised to find the woman getting her own TV “reality” show. Call it, “Male Fraud” or something catchy like that.
Laserlawyer on June 18, 2007 at 10:54 AM
EDIT: I would not be surprised
Laserlawyer on June 18, 2007 at 10:55 AM
How about a clitorectomy?
archon2001 on June 18, 2007 at 2:34 PM
I agree with Metro.
And where are the “Duke Campus Protestors” who screamed “racism will not be tolerated on our campus” at? I also want an appology from them. The real racists!
Bearhopi on June 18, 2007 at 4:01 PM
Take the kid and toss her and Nifong into jail for 15 years…
If there is a “Rape Shield Law”, then there needs to be a Rape Honesty Law, where if you knowing make a false claim of rape, you get the punishment the men would have.
Tim Burton on June 18, 2007 at 6:51 PM
I agree with you in principal Tim… however I think such a law should not just be limited to false accusations of rape: http://ihatelinux.blogspot.com/2007/06/solution-to-future-nifongs-and-mangums.html
dahat on June 18, 2007 at 9:57 PM
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