Three-state solution: Israel planning attack on Hamastan, peace with Fatahstine; Update: Times story bogus?
posted at 10:25 pm on June 16, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Stick and carrot. The carrot is western nations agreeing to end the embargo of Abbas’s government that was imposed last year after Hamas was elected. Palestine is now “Fatahstine” and there ain’t no Hamas in Fatahstine (although there is plenty of Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, etc etc), so the money spigot can be switched back on. A peace deal may also be in the offing, as explained yesterday. The goal: to show Hamastan how good Fatahstine has it, and how good they might have it too. Shouldn’t be hard — the bar’s set awfully low.
“Gaza is becoming the Mogadishu of the Mediterranean,” said one Palestinian official who refused to be named. “People thrown off the rooftops of 10-storey buildings, Palestinians shooting other Palestinians at point blank, others shot in front of their families. So Hamas is in control but do they really think people won’t forget what has happened given our culture of pay-back and revenge?”…
Hamas will need to deal with the reality of governing an area where some 65% of people live below the poverty line. Its economy, already shattered by the last intifada, has been devastated by the international aid boycott which came into effect after Hamas, which still refuses to renounce violence or to recognise Israel’s right to exist, came to power in early 2006.
Gazans are stocking up on bread; hundreds have already headed for the border. So much for the carrot. As for the stick, Hamas’s takeover means Iran’s got three borders with Israel now via its proxies. That’s one too many for Mossad: “Israeli intelligence has little doubt that if Israel or the US attacks Iran’s burgeoning uranium enrichment programme, much of the retaliation will come from Tehran’s clients on its borders.” They can’t knock out Syria without full-fledged war with a sovereign state and they already tried knocking out Hezbollah last summer without success so they’re going to try to knock out Hamas. If, that is, you believe the Times of London:
Israel’s new defence minister Ehud Barak is planning an attack on Gaza within weeks to crush the Hamas militants who have seized power there.
According to senior Israeli military sources, the plan calls for 20,000 troops to destroy much of Hamas’s military capability in days.
The raid would be triggered by Hamas rocket attacks against Israel or a resumption of suicide bombings…
Israeli officials believe their forces would face even tougher resistance in Gaza than they encountered during last summer’s war against Hezbollah in south Lebanon.
If they’re serious about eventually having to attack Iran’s reactors then I guess they have no choice here. Let’s say the Times is right and the invasion’s successful; what happens then? Is Fatah reinstalled as the governing authority? Star JPost reporter Khaled Abu Toameh explained a few days ago how Fatah really lost Gaza: they blew their credibility, beginning with Arafat’s own corruption and cronyism, continuing with Abbas’s cultivation of jihadi warlords (remember, he’s the “moderate” in this equation), and culminating in Hamas’s victory in the parliamentary elections and the resulting low-grade (then high-grade) civil war. Needless to say, having the Zionist enemy come in, crush the locals, and reinstall the corrupt king on the throne isn’t going to do much to repair that credibility, especially now that Abbas has signaled he’s willing to abandon Gazans to their fate and deal with Israel separately. That carrot had better be awfully tasty or else the “solution” here, such as it is, may be a reoccupation of Gaza with Israel the only authority in the area.
I leave you with a lengthy but valuable background piece from the Observer describing the covert maneuvers made last week by Hamas to prepare the way for victory. Sample:
A week ago, as four senior Fatah officials sat down with Egyptian mediators hoping to negotiate an end to months of spiralling violence, a message arrived from Hamas that it would not be coming. A resurgence in fighting between the two sides made it too dangerous to travel to the meeting.
It was not true. Tired of the endless round of street battles and tit-for-tat assassinations between the two sides, which since the election of Hamas early last year had brought Gaza to the brink of anarchy, the leaders of Hamas had in mind a different solution to Gaza’s corrosive security crisis: a definitive attack on the faction inside Fatah it blamed for the escalating violence. Hamas was planning for war, not peace, and the target would be the security institutions still controlled by Fatah and Abbas, which had been bolstered by US funds.
Discreetly, Hamas had forged links with members and former members of Fatah with whom it was happy to deal. It had drawn up a list of buildings belonging to the security forces of Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, to be overrun, and lists of Fatah loyalists it blamed for the murder of Hamas members. Finally, it had briefed journalists on the Hamas-controlled television channel al-Aqsa TV on the message to broadcast to Gaza’s 1.4 million people to reassure them, as the fighting turned from clashes to an all-out assault on Fatah-held positions.
The leader of the “faction” of Fatah to which they object is Mohammed Dahlan, now-former head of the Preventive Security Force, who targeted various Hamas members for assassination during the low-grade stage of the civil war this past year. Interviewed tonight on al-Arabiya, Dahlan naturally blamed Israel for Fatah’s collapse.
Update: Meryl Yourish e-mails to say that Uzi Mahnaimi, the author of the Times story about the supposed looming attack, has been known to post sensational reports in that vein in the past which haven’t panned out. Case in point.
Update: Via Meryl, here’s more on Mahnaimi from Joe’s Dartblog.
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OK, so what happened to “renounce violence, recognize Israel, honor past agreements”? I take it we are now going to arm and finance an enemy of Israel in the name of “Peace”. (again)
P. James Moriarty on June 16, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Why would they stop the civil war erupting in Gaza, let the terrorist scum shred each other. It makes no sense. I say let Fatah and Hamas weaken each other till the place is on the verge of collapse, then wipe out what’s left of the materiel, terrorists and leadership. That also takes care of one of Iran’s proxies.
Bad Candy on June 16, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Muslim Brotherhood says don’t forget us.
Ripclawe on June 16, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Three way peace will not work. Iran wants Israel destroyed. Period. The bad guys are feeling pretty froggy about now. They perceive that Nancy and Dirty Harry have Bush’s hands tied and no matter what mischief happens around the world now, the cowardly democraps will not let Bush respond. So, they think now is the time to move because Israel stands alone.
It’s going to be a long, hot summer friends…
Zorro on June 16, 2007 at 10:52 PM
That fvcking pvssy is defense minister? I hope he’s changed.
Kralizec on June 16, 2007 at 11:01 PM
Attacking gaza now is a bad idea.
It would behoove Israel and Abbas to let Hamas ruin it first.
liberrocky on June 16, 2007 at 11:10 PM
That’s what I’m saying, let em kill each other, then whack em when they’re down.
Bad Candy on June 16, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Really, how bad is this for us? We allow them to kill each other, in the process protecting Israel militarily. Once they’re all in one place, we fly a few B-52s over, and take out a chunk of the problem.
amerpundit on June 16, 2007 at 11:16 PM
Israel just has to wait. Once Hamas starts launching rockets move in. The U.S. will take care of Iran. They are teetering as it is. Gas rationing, civl unrest. They will have to become a full fledged police state to hold on to power which ironically speeds their downfall. Foregn investment goes bye bye and the gas stops flowing because they cannot afford it. Fred will crush this regime ala Reagan, watch it happen.
Theworldisnotenough on June 16, 2007 at 11:17 PM
I agree. We have to twist Egypt’s arm to keep the flow of money and supplies out of the state. If not Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood will send Hamas all it needs. Well not all but it will prolong the problem.
The macro solution to the Middle East? Let it go radical, they elected Hamas let them deal with it. They did it too themselves. Only when they see the darkness of jihad as juxtaposed to the light of the West then they will come around. That is why we need to stay out of Iran and let them melt down on their own. Jihad and civil society are incompatible, the two cannot coexist.
Speaking of light we need to have the President visit Kurdistan. Give them more legitimacy and stature in the region. Hey look a real democracy in the Middle East! While the rest of you goons are dying in the streets Kurds are going on dates, listening to ipods, and traveling to Europe. What was so hot about jihad again?
Theworldisnotenough on June 16, 2007 at 11:24 PM
Israel should wait ‘em out. Respond proportionally +50% to Hamas’ provocations and let Iran, Syria and Allah, the deity not the pundit, feed Gaza. The west shouldn’t prop up Fatah either. Leave Fatah to twist, pound/give enough rope to Hamas and hope a third player emerges. A third player couldn’t be any worse than Hamas or Fatah, so what’s there to lose?
rw on June 16, 2007 at 11:26 PM
That is a joke, right?
BillINDC on June 16, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Hamas all crammed together in misery makes me happy. At least, they are easily bombed now.
Stormy70 on June 16, 2007 at 11:30 PM
Theworldisnotenough:
You summed it up brilliantly.
liberrocky on June 16, 2007 at 11:48 PM
Hold on here folks. All this talk about letting em fight it out is one thing but bombing them? Like that is going to happen. The world would be running around screaming that it is Guernica on steroids. The good ol USofA isn’t going to bomb anyone between the Sinai and the Golan Heights.
Right now the biggest loser (besides the PALS) is Jordan. Having a PAL civil war on their doorstep will not help us keep them in the tent. I don’t know the exact figure but they have something like 50% of their population with direct ties to the PALS. We don’t need Hezbollah or Hamas running wild there too. Israel should step in as soon as possible, crush Gaza, and prop up Abbas. Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia wouldn’t mind a bit.
Limerick on June 16, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Obviously they need comprehensive immigration reform so immigrants can rejuvenate their ailing economy. The jobs that suicide bombers won’t do, etc.
infidel4life on June 17, 2007 at 12:03 AM
Do you think Hamas might be getting that whoops feeling right about now. They are sandwiched between two enemy camps. I think we should put the pot on simmer to see what cooks out but I don’t think Mo can resist showing the Israelis that he kept his promise of I’ll be back from last years war.
sonnyspats1 on June 17, 2007 at 12:17 AM
“Democracy” at work in the Middle East.
I hope Bush, Rice, and their followers get the idea, finally.
Democracy is meaningless if the demos is nuts.
One man, one vote, one time.
Then the executions start.
And only stop when such diseased regimes are destroyed.
profitsbeard on June 17, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Theworldisnotenough on June 16, 2007 at 11:17 PM
The problem is that the idiots in Hamas are just plain stupid and crazy. They are not going to wait for Fred to be elected, they are going to do something really really stupid and it wont be very long before they do.
In typical Muslim fashion they will attempt to divert the Palestinians attention away from the disaster of their own creating and the suffering caused by their vicious repressive religion by launch multiple attacks on Israel.
Now with Gaza being exclusively under the control of Hamas any attack coming out of Gaza, be it suicide bomber, small arms fire, or Kazan rocket attacks without Fatah there to provide plausible deny ability will be recognized by Israel as an act of war and Israel will undoubtedly respond with massive military force.
doriangrey on June 17, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Hmmm, let’s see now (he said looking at the chess board) to the north Iran has been arming Hezbollah for months, in the northeast Syria is gearing up, to the east Jordan will side with the Islamic nations and in the west bank Fatah has still not given up wanting to destroy Israel. To the south and west Hamas has been getting fed arms from Iran and now has captured arms the US shipped to Abbas, then there’s Egypt who still wants to avenge itself for the ‘67 war. And while the kids are playing with Israel, Iran happily spins it’s centrifuges.
Nope, can’t see anything wrong with shipping more arms to Fatah while the UN “protects” the northern front. No problems there.
P. James Moriarty on June 17, 2007 at 12:50 AM
sonnyspats1 on June 17, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Not a chance, Hamas is far to stupid and crazy to understand what they have done. It has only been because of Fatah’s claims that they are willing to negotiate with Israel that Israel hasn’t launched massive military actions against the Palestinians.
Hamas can no longer hide behind Fatah or the Palestinian civilians while launching attacks against Israel. Because they are the de facto elected government in Gaza the civilians in Gaza are now the citizens of a government that will shortly discover that any attack on Israel is an act of war. To which Israel will respond by declaring war in return.
I doubt there is any serious question that this is precisely the reason that Abbas was so quick to disband the Fatah Hamas unity government. His actions were undoubtedly designed specifically to ensure that the Fatah government in the West Bank could not and would not be held accountable for the actions of the Hamas government in Gaza.
In other words Abbas wanted to make damn sure that when, not if, Israel declared war on the Hamas government in Gaza that they did not also declare war on the Fatah government in the West Bank.
doriangrey on June 17, 2007 at 12:57 AM
The question is: Will Israel have the national will to crush, and I mean crush, obliterate, flatten Gaza if attacked? Total complete war is the only thing that will work as evidenced by the politically correct war the U.S. is waging in Iraq and getting nowhere.
Andy in Agoura Hills on June 17, 2007 at 1:24 AM
Andy in Agoura Hills on June 17, 2007 at 1:24 AM
That is indeed the question and I suspect the answer is probably no, not only will Israel probably not have to national will but it will probably bow to international pressure even if it should find the national will to do so.
doriangrey on June 17, 2007 at 1:39 AM
Let ‘em all murder each other, then burn down the rubble.
I’m tired of this crap. Damn tired.
Good Lt on June 17, 2007 at 2:02 AM
This brings us closer to nukes for sure.
Think about the Califate gene pool. Anybody with a brain was killed off generations ago and anybody with actual bravery was killed soon after. Just like America is the best of the cowboys who came over here, Islamobadistan is the worst of what’s left of humanity after generations of murder and mayhem.
Mojave Mark on June 17, 2007 at 2:11 AM
encore ditto
You guys keep it up, and I won’t need to say a single words.
Didn’t that Old Dead Chinese Military Guy say something to the effect that when you enemies are busy destroying themselves, have the patience not to interrupt them?
And only stop when such diseased regimes are destroyed.
profitsbeard on June 17, 2007 at 12:26 AM
Janos Hunyadi on June 17, 2007 at 2:23 AM
Well, that got muddled, but y’all get the point,,,,,,,
Janos Hunyadi on June 17, 2007 at 2:24 AM
I’m getting extremely tired of continually hearing about the violence, murder, and barbarity from the “Palestian” areas/people – especially when our tax money is being used to help the so called “moderate” faction over there. Why do the U.S. and the West still sponsor a society that cares about nothing except for the death of America/Israel? Fatah/Hamas/Islamic Jihad…doesn’t matter…same goal, different timelines and strategy. If our politicians aren’t going to change their opinion, is there anything we can do? Is there any way that someone can take our State Dept. to court for the fact that we are funding murder (thank you U.S. funds for arms to Fatah that were taken over)? (*That was probably a ridiculous question, but who can we rely upon to stop this madness? Until we can develop a new energy source and say F*U* to the arabic community that affects our policies, how are things ever going to change?*)
specialkayel on June 17, 2007 at 3:15 AM
“…what happens then? Is Fatah reinstalled as the governing authority?”
At some point, it is inevitable that Israel crosses the Rubicon and uses nuclear weapons. I do not say this lightly or without a heavy heart.
For ALL the reasons you cite, Gaza will never be a “happy satrap” of Fatah.
And no matter what we would like, there will NEVER be a “two state” solution to the “Palestinian problem.” The jihadis do not want it and will not tolerate it. Period.
When Iran develops nuclear weapons, they will use them against Israel and the United States. Possible Europe as well. No doubt they’ll use a “front man” like Hezbollah, Hamas, or Al Qaeda But they will strike if allowed. But before that happens, I think that Israel will strike first.
The IDF simply isn’t big enough to simultaneously fight Hamas, Fatah, and Hezbollah (and Iran) and avoid another intifada even through the use of sheer, brutal, force.
The only endgame that guarantees the survival of Israel is to utterly destroy the Palestinians, Iran, and Iran’s surrogates, and the only way they have to insure that the job is done right is to use their nuclear weapons.
Israel’s targets may also include Syria and Saudi Arabia, but will certainly include southern Lebanon, the West Bank, and Gaza. Jordan and Egypt may become second tier targets.
God help the world when that happens because the uproar will upset the Islamic world and probably precipitate the next world war, including the participation of NUCLEAR Pakistan and India.
While the tipping point has not quite been reached, the dominoes have almost all be lined up ready for the first one to topple.
The jihadists will get their martyrdom. The world will see billions dead, and entire swaths of the planet made uninhabitable for decades, if not centuries.
georgej on June 17, 2007 at 4:01 AM
So we let Hamas and Fatah beat each other down, then Israel destroys the survivors… then what? Gaza is just going to remain an empty wasteland forever? Israel can move in and it will be peace and roses? An alliance with some faction of the Palestinian political structure, and using them to try to draw the Palestinian people out of the darkness is the only hope. Genocide is not an option.
B Moe on June 17, 2007 at 5:05 AM
I believe Hamas has “won” itself a corner position which, when the $hit hits the fan, will be their undoing–If Israel and the U.S. play this winning hand properly.
hillbillyjim on June 17, 2007 at 5:30 AM
Bad guy vs. bad guy. Terrorists killing terrorists. Sounds like a civil war. I hope they kill each other until there are no more left to kill. Some sovereign nation.
Iran has a foothold next to Israel. And with a port and a contiguous border with Israel.
Think about it.
doingwhatican on June 17, 2007 at 7:07 AM
Why do anything? Let the anti-Israel and anti-America Hamas barbarians and the anti-Israel and anti-America Fatah barbarians kill each other off. Does anyone still believe these primitive Muslim barbarians are capable of a democratic state that will live in peace with Israel?
januarius on June 17, 2007 at 8:16 AM
“Let ‘em all kill each other and solve the problem…” – Nuance.
One problem – Hamas won. Fatah won’t be doing very much killing of anyone in Gaza anytime soon. So the fantasy bloodbath that cures all needs to be rethought. As for things collapsing – they already have, hence the appellation of Mogadishu on the Med.
major john on June 17, 2007 at 9:42 AM
Errrrm. He may not have been the greatest PM, but Ehud Barak isn’t a pussy! I’d happily have him running a few of our brigades in Iraq if the option were available.
Martin on June 17, 2007 at 10:11 AM
Let’s remember that Israel itself was a wasteland before the Jews moved back. The bible promised that the nation Israel would lie desolate until God brought his people back to it. Mark Twain had particularly trenchant comments about how bad the land of Israel was at the turn of the 20th century.
Now Israel is flourishing, a bread basket for Europe, and the Muslim controlled land continues to lie in desolation.
As we all know here it’s just a matter of time till the nukes start flying. It will be hard for the Israelis to bomb the Muslims back to the stone age as they’re already living in the stone age. I guess this is an arguement for using dirty nukes with a ground burst so you deny territory to the enemy for decades.
Mojave Mark on June 17, 2007 at 12:15 PM
Israel can’t nuke Gaza or the West Bank, they are just too close to each other. The radioactive fallout would devastate Israel, and the Muslims would rejoice at that. Remember, even their fellow Muslims don’t give a rat’s patootie about the Palestinians, so if their annhialation accompanies Israel’s, they’ll be just as happy.
I agree that when Iran nukes Israel, it will use Hezbollah or another proxy to do its dirty work. Unfortunately, Bush has, by his own silence, effectively taken military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities off the table.
The best way we could help protect Israel would be to take two steps. Step one, sell them one of our top-of-the-line nuclear missile subs. That way, even if Israel is wiped out, Iran, et al, will know that retaliation will still be complete and immediate. The second step is to declare that a nuclear attack against Israel will be considered an attack against the US, and that we will respond in kind, even if a proxy is used. In other words, any nuclear attack against Israel, no matter where it originated, would result in the elimination of Iran.
As far as the Palestinians go, I don’t see what else can be done right now except sit back and let them pay their own butcher’s bill. Bombing them into oblivion is politically impossible, and the costs of re-occupying Gaza would be far too high. Sun Tzu was right: when your enemies are busy committing suicide, one should be polite enough not to interrupt them.
Lancer on June 17, 2007 at 5:38 PM
I would be skeptical of anything written about Israel from any (and I mean any) British newspaper.
Hilts on June 17, 2007 at 10:05 PM
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