Shamnesty: Reid to block bill opponents with unprecedented procedure?
posted at 4:19 pm on June 16, 2007 by Allahpundit
Drafted in secret, sold through racial demagoguery, and soon, perhaps, passed with the help of a Senate procedure that no previous majority leader has had the shame to use.
A fitting conclusion, if true. Open wide:
[W]e expect Reid – with the help and support of certain Republican leadership and the Grand Bargainers – to do something that we believe has never been done in the history of the Senate… he will use an arcane Senate procedure that allows a single amendment to be divisible into many – in this case, into the 20-odd amendments the Grand Bargainers are trying to cobble together to keep 60 votes in support of the bill. Traditionally, that amendment has been used to protect minority rights – but in this case, it will be used to PREVENT the minority from getting additional amendments called up and from being able to fully debate the amendments in question. It is, to our knowledge, unprecedented…
If Reid does this, with the help of certain Republican leadership and the Grand Bargainers, they will shut off the ability of Senators with concerns of the bill to offer additional amendments and to debate the amendments in question.
In the end, this means that if they have 60 lined up to support it – there is little that can be done procedurally – so it has become far more important than ever for Senators to hear from their constituents.
Mainstream congressional procedural rules are hard enough to follow, let alone some novel maneuver, but if I understand him correctly what they’re going to do is set aside two dozen or so slots beforehand for dissenting amendments — and then summarily fill those slots themselves by splitting their own grandly bargained omnibus amendment (the one with the $4.4 billion outlay for border security) into two dozen separate amendments, thereby leaving no room for Sessions, DeMint, Dorgan et al. to offer their own.
Rumor had it that Reid himself is against the bill — but if so, why do this? Is Kaus right when he speculates that they’re aiming to send it to the House in hopes that Sir Tancelot will slay the beast? That would give Reid the best of both worlds: a dead bill plus political cover to tell Hispanics, “Hey, I tried.”
Update: Jack M. elaborates. It’s not that there are a finite number of slots for amendments, he says — it’s that there’s a finite amount of time for debate (i.e., 30 hours) and splitting the grandly bargained amendment into two dozen separate items ensures that those amendments will consume most, if not all, of those 30 hours, thereby shutting out the Sessions/Dorgan dissenters.









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Isn’t the problem that he has no shame?
flipflop on June 16, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Sorry, all, but this isn’t something that we can use to slap around Reid. He will do this with the full support of our “conservative” President, and a handfull of RINO GOP Senators.
It pisses me off, but not exclusively at the sickening Dingy Harry.
Jaibones on June 16, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Remember, a vote for cloture is the same as voting yes on the final bill.
Valiant on June 16, 2007 at 4:32 PM
Sure we can.
flipflop on June 16, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Is there a lawyer in the house? It’s time to find some judge to declare this bill unconstititional. That’s what the enemy does to laws they don’t like, and it works.
dhimwit on June 16, 2007 at 4:35 PM
We can’t lay this on Reid — he is only doing what loathsome bastards do. It’s the President and the Republican delegation in the Senate that squandered the past six years and then charged headlong on a course to destroy the Party.
Who is worse, the fool or the fool who follows him?
Coyote D. on June 16, 2007 at 4:36 PM
Yes, we can, but it’s more pro forma. Under the circumstances, it’s impossible to really enjoy slapping him around.
Laura on June 16, 2007 at 4:38 PM
Let’s let Dennis Miller have a few minutes alone with him. Mel Martinez is my senator, I want to see him recalled.
CrimsonFisted on June 16, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Some one beat me to it. I searched “Recall Mel Martinez” and got:
Recall Mel Martinez. It’s a start.
CrimsonFisted on June 16, 2007 at 4:44 PM
It’s not the Hispanics, it’s the people that hire the Hispanics that he’ll be giving his “Hey I tried” routine. Lots and lots of hotels in Vegas with allot of unmade beds.
repvoter on June 16, 2007 at 4:47 PM
I can’t even say I shocked or surprised at this revelation. What a bunch of crap. Too bad this much energy and political capital wasn’t used to secure the border for the last 20 years.
HAMMER YOUR REP’s! We need to crush this bill!
Here’s a recent quote from my unhonorable senator Jon Kyl,
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0616immig-costs0616.html
Nothing?!?!?!? There are plenty of laws on the books now. ENFORCE THEM!
VikingGoneWild on June 16, 2007 at 5:01 PM
BUILD WALL.
ENFORCE LAWS.
FIRE POLITICAL PIMPS.
(If only their pensions could also be revoked -for malfeasance and breaking their oaths to defend the Constitution and the nation.)
profitsbeard on June 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM
The crass contempt they have for their constituents, on both sides, is impossible to put in words.
They fail to realize how much we loathe them with/after this. The princes (and few princesses) from both sides need to be thrown out!
Ex. Interview of Bill O’ of St. McCain “…….illegal…broke the law….” McCain just stares impatiently, thinking “you idiot, who do you think you are to even question me?, then says “…yes, but it will take 13 years…bla, bla, bla”. Both him and Bill O’ completely ignore the #1 problem, the hypermagnet which are the employers who enable this invasion, with the tacit accomplice the government is – all of it!
Entelechy on June 16, 2007 at 6:13 PM
Time to dial the phone, folks.
Mojave Mark on June 16, 2007 at 6:15 PM
This will be a new low for our government if this goes through.
There is something very wrong with this situation.
WisCon on June 16, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Well folks, sad news. The March for America was overwhelmingly small today. There were several signs and American flags, but sadly only about 100 people, if even that many. While it was a better turnout than Thursday’s, which only produced about 30 people, it wasn’t much better.
The speakers were on point and had good messages. There were several cops there and I don’t know if that’s standard or if they were expecting more people. A few college-aged guys from California wandered over to check it out, as well as other passersby, and they were very nicely told what we were doing there and why it was important. At least word is getting out to those who already don’t know how catastrophic this amnesty could turn out for America.
Mojave Mark is right though…time to dial the phone and keep the emails going! Make sure your congresspeople know that any support they throw towards this will mark their last term in our Senate or House.
hollygolightly on June 16, 2007 at 7:11 PM
I remember a time when Democrats Filibustered to prevent a constitutional vote. Actually, they Filibustered quite a few of those votes. Why don’t the Republicans who are against this bill do the same thing. There are enough to prevent an end to it.
zerodamage on June 16, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Because cloture cuts off filibusters.
Prior to, i think, 1964-65, invoking cloture required 67 votes. The Senate later changed it’s rules to require only 60 votes to invoke cloture.
As a result, it is much easier now to cut off a filibuster than it used to be. Regrettably, many of the GOP’ers who voted against cloture last time are likely to flip (Kyl, Lott, Craig, McConnell etc). Any senator who attempted to filibuster it would need 41 votes in his back pocket to sustain the filibuster, and those votes may simply not be there.
Jack M. on June 16, 2007 at 9:29 PM
Someone (HotAir?) needs to sue if this bill passes. It was drafted in secret and cannot hold up legally.
SouthernGent on June 16, 2007 at 10:24 PM
More like bend over…
elgeneralisimo on June 17, 2007 at 12:32 AM
I think the procedure is known as “filling the tree.”
Karl on June 17, 2007 at 12:36 AM
Actually, Karl, it’s a slightly different procedure.
“Filling the Tree” is, in it’s normal usage, a parliamentary step that the Majority Leader would use to prevent certain 1st degree amendments from being further amended themselves. You wouldn’t use the “division” process to “fill the tree”, you would just offer amendments in an order that would block the other side from offering amendments to the original amendment. Further, an amendment on a “filled” tree can be set aside so that another may be considered out of sequence.
By “dividing” the amendment, you can’t do the latter point. Once an amendment is divided, all the newly divided amendments have to be considered in order before any other amendment can come up. So if Reid has his amendment divided into 20+ subunits, all 20+ subunits have to be considered, in order, before any other amendment can come into play.
While both techniques can be used to block opposition amendments, doing so by division is much more effective because of this “divided amendments considered in order” rule. It’s also virtually unprecidented for the Majority party to do it, because it locks Members of the Majority party out of the amendment process, effectively treating in this case Democratic Senators as if they are Minority members. In a sense, the Senate is adopting a de facto House rule to screw their own members as Opposition Dems will have as few rights under the “division” as Minority GOP members in the house would have in fighting a Pelosi bill.
Jack M. on June 17, 2007 at 1:05 AM
I thought that was what he meant…
urbancenturion on June 17, 2007 at 1:39 AM
Everything McCain has done for the last 10 years has been a disaster for Republicans. I am sure he got it right now. /
pat on June 17, 2007 at 2:08 AM
The very thing our founding fathers didn’t want to happen e.g. a separate ruling class that dictates to the peasants from on high is the reality today.
Is it time for a second American revolution?
Let me go get my lootin’ sacks ready.
Neo on June 17, 2007 at 2:11 AM
Bush sees himself as morally above those around him. A common belief among ex-alcoholics and smokers. Never even occurs to him that he is wrong. Just does not even enter his mind. In his mind he is more important than America. The last President who thought similarly was Jimmy Carter. Carter brought us Islamic terrorism and beautiful Iran. I am sure Bush will be equally successful if not stopped.
pat on June 17, 2007 at 2:19 AM
If this Bullspit tactic succeeds, it will be the beginniing of the end of our Democratic Republic as we know it.
What a guy, that Reid.
hillbillyjim on June 17, 2007 at 5:16 AM
I think the discourse in this country has disintegrated to the point where many if not most legislators are more interested in a short-term political victory than a long-term solution to all of the myriad issues facing them now.
We need to vote ALL of these slimy individuals out of office and put some real people in and let the system work like it was originally meant to happen.
Just one man’s opinion, but at least think about it.
hillbillyjim on June 17, 2007 at 5:21 AM
This current ShAmnesty bill strikes me as the Jocelyn Elders approach to drug abuse being applied to illegal immigration. You’ll remember that Elders promited legalizing drugs to make the drug abuse problem go away. Well this bill says that if we make all the criminal aliens legal there won’t be an illegal immigrant problem.
Buzzy on June 17, 2007 at 5:51 AM
Maybe I’m missing something here, but :)
If they split the amnesty bill into the 12 (or so) amendments, wouldn’t it be easier for the good guys to call for a vote on each ‘amendment’, thereby killing the bill from the inside?
Lord Nazh on June 17, 2007 at 10:08 AM
I truly hate that man, with a pink and purple passion.
dostrick on June 17, 2007 at 1:07 PM
More like bend over…
elgeneralisimo on June 17, 2007 at 12:32 AM
To me, that was implied.
ej_pez on June 17, 2007 at 8:41 PM
What happened to:
News2Use on June 17, 2007 at 11:36 PM