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The day after: What’s next for the Palestinians?

posted at 3:01 pm on June 15, 2007 by Allahpundit
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Both sides are consolidating power today. Hamas is rounding up Fatah in Gaza and Fatah is rounding up Hamas in the West Bank. Abbas has also appointed a new, independent prime minister; Hamas naturally calls it a coup and insists Haniyeh is still the rightful PM. The west has a hard enough time dealing with one Palestinian authority, let alone two, so the plan is to get rid of one of them somehow, ideally by bringing Gaza back under Fatah’s control. Israel’s foreign minister suggests a multinational force but only to prevent weapons smuggling, not to dislodge the new regime. It’s a non-starter anyway: even if a force of peacekeepers could be raised, UN soldiers as a rule don’t do much soldiering so they’re not going to “fight Hamas” per her request. The other option is for the IDF to invade and reinstall Fatah by force, but that would leave Abbas looking like a Zionist puppet and destroy his credibility, which could unsettle the West Bank too.

So force won’t work. Will jealousy?

Some State Department officials argue that the administration could only support such a separation if Israel agreed to make political concessions to Mr. Abbas in the West Bank, with the goal of undermining Hamas in the eyes of Palestinians by improving life in the West Bank…

Among Middle East experts, the possibility of trying to establish a diplomatic separation between Gaza and the West Bank and lavishing benefits on the West Bank — an idea that seemed remote a week ago — is now being discussed. “This is as close they can come to taking a sow’s ear and trying to turn it into a silk purse,” said Martin S. Indyk, former American ambassador to Israel and director of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution.

Indyk takes it a step further in WaPo: Israeli withdrawal from, and Palestinian statehood for, the West Bank coupled with tough sanctions on Gaza to make the locals fume with envy at how much better life could be if they just got rid of Hamas. Another, less likely alternative being debated by “Palestinian intellectuals” is dissolving the Palestinian Authority entirely and putting themselves back under Israeli sovereignty. It’s a transparent ruse to claim some truncated form of Israeli citizenship, which will then be used later to claim full Israeli citizenship and ultimately result in a “one-state solution,” which ultimately ends in a Final Solution when Arabs overtake Jews demographically.

There’s one other alternative. Also highly unlikely, but highly intriguing:

Debate has begun in Palestinian and Jordanian newspapers – and in official circles on both sides of the Jordan river – over a plan to incorporate West Bank Palestinians into a confederation with Jordan, creating a kind of bi-national state with two governing assemblies…

First, an increasing number of Palestinian officials appear willing to concede that deterioration of conditions in the occupied territories ensures that a two-state solution may no longer be viable. In addition, the violent internal power struggle between Fatah and Hamas has created profound insecurity among West Bank Palestinians. As a result, even a plan that would effectively end the dream of Palestine in all but name garnered 30 percent support in a recent poll conducted by the Near East Counseling Institution in Ramallah.

Second, Palestinians see Jordan’s relative stability and affluence. They don’t trust their own leaders to provide either and fear that it’s the Israelis who will continue to dictate their future. That’s why dozens of Palestinian business leaders, elected officials, and opinion-makers accepted King Abdullah’s invitation to join Jordanians and Israelis in Aqaba last month to discuss peace plans for the region – and why confederation reportedly figured prominently in their discussion.

As for the Jordanians, former Prime Minister Abdel Salam Al Majali now argues that confederation would solve one of the kingdom’s most pressing internal problems: A majority of Jordanians are of Palestinian descent, a fact that often draws Jordan into the maelstrom of Palestinian politics. The new state would feature two legislative assemblies. The first, based in the West Bank, would represent all Palestinians – including those who already live inside Jordan and hold Jordanian citizenship. The country’s current assembly would be reserved for East Bank Jordanians, members of tribes which generally support the monarchy.

It’s hard to believe Arafat’s party would be the first to abandon the dream of Palestinian statehood, which of course was never really Arafat’s dream but to which he paid enough lip service as to ensure plenty of resistance to any change of course. The question is, what happens to Gaza? The author of the IHT piece suggests it might be absorbed by Egypt but the last thing Mubarak wants, given the pressure he’s under from Islamists in Cairo, is responsibility for two million Hamas zombies. The likelier result is that it would stay sui generis, with the whole “peace process” nightmare of the last several decades playing itself out in Gaza. Except this time, every time things got hairy between Israel and Hamas, Jordan would be at risk for an uprising among its own confederated Palestinian population whose “passions” would be inflamed by the suffering being experienced by their brothers etc etc etc.

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.


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Hilarious picture, AP.

Jaibones on June 15, 2007 at 3:04 PM

AM I bad for thinking Palestinians killing other Palestinians for a change is not a problem?

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 15, 2007 at 3:05 PM

AM I bad for thinking Palestinians killing other Palestinians for a change is not a problem?

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 15, 2007 at 3:05 PM

I hope not, or else we’re in the same boat. I hope they blast the hell out of each other. It’ll make life much easier for the Israelis.

Bad Candy on June 15, 2007 at 3:10 PM

That picture is Awesome By the way. Is that an Allahpundit original?

Bad Candy on June 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM

I vote for the Jordanian solution, then Israel should expel every Palestinian in Gaza, problem solved.

doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM

That’s a real photo, dude.

Allahpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Well, you know, there is that old East Bank answer. Jordan takes in all the West Bank refugees. But that’s a nonstarter.

The next best answer is a confederation with Jordan. The down side is that the King, who’s a reasonably decent guy by middle east standards, will probably be toast within a couple of years.

Can I get a 30-minute extension?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on June 15, 2007 at 3:15 PM

AM I bad for thinking Palestinians killing other Palestinians for a change is not a problem?

JayHaw Phrenzie on June 15, 2007 at 3:05 PM

No. No, you’re not. In fact, I admire your restraint.

Spurius Ligustinus on June 15, 2007 at 3:18 PM

If the Palestinians are full engaged in spending their murderous energies against each other, they won’t be exporting them elsewhere to the civilized world.

I don’t recall Iran nor Iraq causing the world much trouble when they were busy slaughtering each other.

Maybe, just maybe, the Palestinians need to keep murdering each other until only the non-murderers are left with the idea that maybe this murdering doesn’t solve their problems.

Until then, I look forward to the Fatah suicide bombers walking into the Hamas pizzerias and the Hamas suicide bombers retaliating on the Fatah buses. Let the intra-intifada begin!

Tantor on June 15, 2007 at 3:20 PM

Another, less likely alternative being debated by “Palestinian intellectuals” is dissolving the Palestinian Authority entirely and putting themselves back under Israeli sovereignty. It’s a transparent ruse to claim some truncated form of Israeli citizenship, which will then be used later to claim full Israeli citizenship and ultimately result in a “one-state solution,” which ultimately ends in a Final Solution when Arabs overtake Jews demographically.

Isn’t it what the original Oslo was calling for, and Rabin trying to achieve? An “autonomy”, not a state. I doubt that Rabin’s plan would have resulted in giving Israeli citizenship to the millions of Palestinians.

AlexB on June 15, 2007 at 3:21 PM

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis.

Demand that the Palestinians produce a map of their ‘Nation’ as it existed in 1947, or before, that was not part of Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, or the Turkish empire. If they can’t, finish the wall, go on with business.

Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 3:28 PM

That’s a real photo, dude.

Allahpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Get out! Holy sh!t! Well, I guess I can’t say the Hamas vermin are entirely without humor. Whatever. I’m hoping an that an Israeli jet bombs the bastard anyway.

Bad Candy on June 15, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Impressive post, Allah. I say we round them all up, place them in this “Palestinian State” and fly a few B-52s over. Few hours later….badabing.

amerpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:29 PM

Jesse Jackson, paging Jesse Jackson. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Whut? He has along track record of lying er negoiating with these folks and besides maybe he will stop blackmailing American companies for income for awhile.

LakeRuins on June 15, 2007 at 3:30 PM

That’s a real photo, dude.

Allahpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM

They probably still have that thing turned on, so it might mean one less reproducing Hamas tard.

Editor on June 15, 2007 at 3:30 PM

Let them go at it. Make sure that ammo is plentiful and cheap. As the saying goes, elections have consequences. If you vote for a bunch of thug terrorists, then don’t be surprised when they act like a bunch of thug terrorists.

Seriously, go with a three state solution. If either of the two Palestinian states act in a manner inconsistent with the behavior appropriate to a nation state, then deal with them according to those rules. If Hamastan continues to launch rockets, then Israel should be free to declare war and destroy every bit of infrastructure as it works to neutralize the threat.

Both Hamas and Fatah are like children that throw deadly tantrums, but never have to worry about being punished. Give them their states and make them suffer the consequences of their actions.

rw on June 15, 2007 at 3:43 PM

The answer: containment. Wall them off, let them self-destruct as they’re doing now. Hit back when attacked, but otherwise drop this nonsense of engaging and aiding the terrorist group Fatah- and they are every bit as much a terrorist group as Hamas.

When the West Bank and Gaza competely collapses and conditions get bad enough, perhaps the Palestinians will face the fact that they ain’t getting Israel back and take what they can get in order to get back the Western aid they apparently can’t survive without.

Like a junkie that won’t seek help in quitting drugs, the Palestinians have to hit their rock bottom before they can be rehabilitated.

That will suck for those Palestinians that are peaceful and reasonable (and yes, they do exist), but expecting Fatah to give up their efforts to destroy Israel by giving them some land and money has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be sheer stupid.

Hollowpoint on June 15, 2007 at 3:44 PM

Best quote from the AP article on todays events….

“Today everybody is with Hamas because Hamas won the battle. If Fatah had won the battle they’d be with Fatah. We are a hungry people, we are with whoever gives us a bag of flour and a food coupon,” said Yousef, 30. “Me, I’m with God and a bag of flour.”

who woulda thunk it?

Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 3:46 PM

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.

You’re a god and we’re not. On a serious note, much as I try to remain optimistic, realistically I conclude that some conflicts in our often crazy world will never be resolved. This one seems to be one of those. I wish it to be but no combination of thoughts/plans comes out right, due to so many conflicting interests, egos and raw primitivism.

Entelechy on June 15, 2007 at 3:49 PM

Inflame the situation making Fatah and Hamas go toe-to-toe in a battle royale, giving Israel and Lebanon the diversion needed to cleanse their border regions of the insurgents and riff-raff in short order. Then Israel can just go for broke and decimate the Palestinian region ridding the area of the occupying enemies once and for all.

Of course, the little Palestinian children who have been trained for suicide bombing and murdering on a mass scale by their parents and school teachers since they were in diapers will have to be dealt with, but maybe the Saudi’s, or Iran, or Syria, or any number of the countries of the same psychotic stone-aged ilk will be happy to take them in.

SilverStar830 on June 15, 2007 at 3:52 PM

The other option is for the IDF to invade and reinstall Fatah by force, but that would leave Abbas looking like a Zionist puppet and destroy his credibility,

And this is bad how, exactly?

Hamas wiped out, Abbas seen by the rest of the child-murdering savages as an illegitimate puppet of the Evil Jooos…

I need a cigarette. And a cold beer. And maybe some popcorn.

Misha I on June 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM

Solve it right here and now? Send Ambassador to the World, Bill Clinton, to sort things out. He did it perfectly last time!

Wineaholic on June 15, 2007 at 4:02 PM

Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.

Let’s let Nancy do it. It’s Friday and I’m thirsty.

RedWinged Blackbird on June 15, 2007 at 4:03 PM

RedWinged Blackbird on June 15, 2007 at 4:03 PM

Well I’d offer you a nice cold Samuel Adams Boston Lager…But I’m bust drinking it right now…

doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 4:08 PM

The West Bank Palestinians should see that their only hope to keep from falling under a Taliban-like regime is to join with Jordan. Hopefully that part of the world will become sane again soon. They have got to be tired of blaming their problems on the Jews by now.

pedestrian on June 15, 2007 at 4:10 PM

I think you have to elaborate on your exit question. It should probably read:

“3000 years ago, one son of Abraham, Ishmael, sold his birthright to the other, Isaac, for a bowl of porage. Since then, their descendants have hated each other. This problem was exacerbated when one of Ishmael’s descendants converted the rest to a religion that considered Isaac’s descendants to be ‘dogs and pigs.’ Now big populations of them live just a few miles apart on a little stretch of land in the Middle East that both consider their home. Let’s solve that little family dispute, Right here, right now.

sweetlipsbutterhoney on June 15, 2007 at 4:14 PM

How long before Hamas and Fatah start sending suicide bombers against each other?

thirteen28 on June 15, 2007 at 4:24 PM

That’s a real photo, dude.

Allahpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM

Holy Shit is right. We need to get the Paleos on board with their buddies the U.S. nitwit left, and get some massive abortion activity going in that God-forsaken dump.

Jaibones on June 15, 2007 at 4:42 PM

3000 years ago, one son of Abraham, Ishmael, sold his birthright to the other, Isaac, for a bowl of porage.

Except..that was Jacob and Esau. Ishmael, son of the servant turned concubine, just got sent away.

But let’s take this opportunity to debunk the notion that Mohammad was a descendant of Ishmael. The only person who holds that to be true is Mohammed. No particular historical reason to believe it. In fact, the Quran only mentions Abraham’s son, and is non-specific as to who it was. The Hadiths mention both Isaac and Ishmael an almost equal number of times. (This is relative to the story of Abraham sacrificing his son on mt moriah, a version of which is related in the Quran.)

The Ishmael-ization of the story, and the attendant identification by Muslims as descending from Ishmael, has been a rather late breaking development in historical terms, part of the political polarization against Jews and Christians.

TexasDan on June 15, 2007 at 5:00 PM

The solution has never been to give the Palistinians a state but to finally move them all to other arabic countries.

They have already admitted they will never give up their attempts to destroy Israel. There will never been peace as long as the idea of a palistinian state lives.

For peace Palistine the state must die. So the Palistinians can live finally in peace with Israel

William Amos on June 15, 2007 at 5:01 PM

TexasDan on June 15, 2007 at 5:00 PM

The funny thing is the Palistinians claim that they are the desendants of the Philistines and that the original Israelis invaded and conquered the land that is theirs.

William Amos on June 15, 2007 at 5:03 PM

sweetlipsbutterhoney on June 15, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Dude, hate to quibble with your Bible, but Jacob sold his birthright, not Ishmael. Ishmael kind of disappears out of the picture after he and his mom are rescued by the angel in the desert.

On a more serious note, I am inclined to agree with silverstar and let ‘em wipe each other out. If I had to choose between plans, though, I’d have to go with granting Palestinian Statehood to the West Bank. At THAT point, they become legitimate political targets and can be declared war upon when they do something stupid, which would take all of three weeks. Then the West Bank becomes Israeli again and the Palestinians flee to Jordan (which is how they ended up in the West Bank to begin with, back when Jordan occupied it!). Or they may even be able to let them keep independence and give them the Syria/Lebanon puppet special. Frankly, the Palestinian cause is so bogus that I don’t care whether or not their leaders retain any credibility.

Militant Bibliophile on June 15, 2007 at 5:07 PM

That’s a real photo, dude.

Allahpundit on June 15, 2007 at 3:12 PM

The photo was lifted from (somewhere?) with the following story…

Terrorists have found a new way to get through Airport security at LAX.

Only after the man (pictured in the TV capture) had an altercation with a flight attendant because his weapon wouldn’t fit in the overhead compartment did LAX security begin their investigation.

It turns out that the clutter of junk on the TV monitor hooked to X-Ray machines is just a placebo for travelers. Department of Homeland security admitted that bags taken from X-Ray machines are purely random since they can’t see anything on them anyway.

RC2 on June 15, 2007 at 5:11 PM

AM I bad for thinking Palestinians killing other Palestinians for a change is not a problem?

If it is only Hamas “gunmen” and Fatah “gunmen” (where do the media settle on their terminology??) – probably not. But these scum will hurt more of the innocent than anyone else…sigh.

I fear only more time in utter choas and deprivation in Gaza will lead more and more West Bank Arabs to see that Israel and Jordan ain’t too darn bad, and they can tell Gaza to go pound sand.

As for Gaza… I am afraid it will sprial into a Hobbesian “State of Nature” before resolving itself. Badly, at that.

major john on June 15, 2007 at 5:16 PM

Transfer, NOW.

Misha I on June 15, 2007 at 5:19 PM

Islam decrees that all non-Muslims must be subjugated.

This is just a little sideshow to the larger war against human liberty.

“Palestinians”, “Iranians”, etc. don’t exist withing anti-national Islam.

Just the Ummah (all true-believing Muslims).

They do not want peace or “states” for “solutions”.

They want global domination and a pa=lanetary theocratic tyranny.

This distraction of mistaking their individual brigades for different beliefs systems/ “nations”/ “peoples” hampers the West’s efforts to defeat this Uber-fascism.

Drive them out and defeat them, or suffer their deceit, terror and endless efforts to enslave and slaughter you.

Jihadists know what they want.

When will the West?

profitsbeard on June 15, 2007 at 5:33 PM

Awww, the little kiddies are playing Fort!

How cute.

infidel4life on June 15, 2007 at 5:52 PM

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.

I suggest a ‘Bay of Pigs’ redux, combined with Israeli realpolitik.

The Israelis should sponsor an amphibious landing of West Bank Fatah forces in Gaza, and let the war resume. They should support Fatah until it appears that they are decisively winning, and then let support ebb for awhile. Support should be pulsed again when Hamas appears to be gaining the upper hand. Repeat as often as necessary. Let’s call it a slow-bleed.

PRCalDude on June 15, 2007 at 6:02 PM

The West can always count on Islamic blood letting. Muslim on Muslim violence has held this part of the world at bay for centuries. It’ll be the same with Iran. Just turn Muslim against Muslim and they will happily kill each other till Christ returns.

Mojave Mark on June 15, 2007 at 6:05 PM

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.

Take away their allowances and make them sit in a corner.

Or, laser-guided smart bombs. Lots of ‘em.

fogw on June 15, 2007 at 7:59 PM

I vote we nukem and go have a beer. I’m buyin’….the beer – not the nukes.

RedWinged Blackbird on June 15, 2007 at 10:46 PM

Exit question: What’s the answer? Let’s solve the Middle East crisis. Right here, right now.

I think this ends when muslims have killed, converted, or taxed non-muslims out of existence, or when non-muslims have killed, converted, or taxed muslims out of existence. I’d much prefer that non-muslims eradicate Islam. However, muslim women are the ones earthy enough to have babies, and muslim men are the ones earthy enough to convert, kill, or rob those they name enemies. I expect non-muslims to begin soon to excel muslims in birthing, converting, killing, and robbing, or I expect muslims to win. Either way, I’m going to get as much enjoyment as I can from watching good men destroy bad men.

Kralizec on June 15, 2007 at 10:48 PM

Wanna see a Palestinians head explode? Just ask him how many times Palestine is mentioned in his “Holy” Book vs. the times Israel is referred to directly. You’ll never witness a more pathetic display of acute stupidity (other than the pathetic display of acute stupidity coming from the territories on a daily basis)

kiakjones on June 16, 2007 at 12:57 AM

I was in the West Bank last month and I can tell you: the Palestinian Authority doesn’t function from what I could see. Let them pretend to govern for a while longer and ordinary Palestinians will clamor for the Isrealis to come in and take over. Look what happened two short years after Israel pulled out of Gaza. Civilians there are already wishing Israel were in control again. A few days driving around the countryside between Israel proper and the West Bank tells a casual observer that Israel functions and “Palestine” doesn’t.

Here’s one piece on my trip:
http://tommclaughlin.blogspot.com/2007/06/constant-state-of-war.html

Tom McLaughlin on June 16, 2007 at 7:42 AM

Isreal should turn off the lights in Gaza and let the Arabs blow the crap out of each other. Would anyone really miss them?

lynnv on June 16, 2007 at 8:08 AM

Militant Bibliophile on June 15, 2007 at 5:07 PM

Dude, hate to quibble with your Bible, but Jacob sold his birthright, not Ishmael.

Wrong…Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of stew, if you are going to correct someone at least do your homework so you have your fact correct.

doriangrey on June 16, 2007 at 10:13 AM

It seems to me I recall most of the Middle East lambasting America for cutting its financial support to Palestine when Hamas won. The criticism was that America didn’t support democracy in Palestine, as if democracy ever existed there and as if we were obliged to support our terrorist enemies.

The Hamas victory tends to demonstrate their contempt for democracy and the one vote, one time nature of elections in Arab Muslim countries in which the radicals gain power and then ditch democracy for dictatorship.

Tantor on June 16, 2007 at 8:13 PM

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