Video: Fred! serves up a juicy, tender cut of pro-life red meat
posted at 10:53 pm on June 14, 2007 by Allahpundit
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It was pre-taped for screening tonight at the National Right to Life conference, but David Brody of CBN had a copy handed to him by the “supporters of Fred Thompson.” Brody sounded worried this morning, you’ll recall, that Fred hadn’t been vocal enough in support of pro-life issues, his voting record notwithstanding. He sounds less worried now.
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Well, it’s a matter of honor. I view what fred? does as an insult to intelligence. Being a conservative, I am viewed by him as a potential supporter. He expects me to support him before he makes a commitment to me? Sorry freddie boy, you want my support, you have to earn it.
I understand the groupie mentality that has infected the fredheads. God bless em’ but my values wont allow me to give him a pass on his non-candidacy. He is also insulting real candidates by bragging about his poll numbers. That type of behavior is totally unacceptable to my values.
O/T
This will be the last time I explain this.
What people would be wise to understand is that my criticisms are of fred?. It has become clear that several people have lost their perspective and think that criticizing freddie boy is tantamount to criticizing them. The out of control behavior I’m seeing here reminds me of those idiots that get into fights at soccer games. The team isn’t them and they are not the team. Now I try not to point to peoples rudeness, but the personal attacks on me are starting to take threads off topic. If someone responds with respect, I will respond. If someone attacks me I will ignore them. I may respond to a general idea over several comments by different people, but that comment is not a personal attack on them.
It isn’t me taking fred? threads off topic. I almost always talk about fred? and not the members of HA.
Ok, back to topic….
I view that video as a total attempt to fake out potential fred? supporters.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:22 AM
Imagine, Fred and Jeri could have another baby by then.
Entelechy on June 15, 2007 at 1:24 AM
I understand you csdeven much more then I understand Sydney……but I’m still leaving you with the bar tab.
night all.
Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 1:26 AM
In the real world, you call anybody who supports Fred a “groupie”. You insult their intelligence and their judgement.
You are doing all you can to prove you exist. We’ve acknowledged you. Give it a rest.
thebriand on June 15, 2007 at 1:29 AM
You’re going to realize after fred? implodes, that I have been brilliantly lucid all along. Like most brilliant people who ahead of their time, I’m just not appreciated. ;-)
O/T
Honestly, I don’t see how anyone would want another 4 years of dems who want to go back to the same mentality that put us behind in the war on terror. It started in 1979 and had gone unabated until Bush went into Afganistan and Iraq.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:29 AM
He didn’t cross the line, the line crossed him.
infidel4life on June 15, 2007 at 1:30 AM
Same result, either way…
infidel4life on June 15, 2007 at 1:30 AM
O/T
Again, groupie is a lovable name for you freddies. If you slow your thought processes down for a minute, you’d realize you are the one using the ad hominem attack instead of defending your non-candidate.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:33 AM
You call him a fake because he hasn’t “announced”? I call him real because he wasn’t so full of anxiety that he jumped into the early season fray with the rest of them.
So far, Fred! and Newt! are the only realists in this race that shouldn’t have started yet. And isn’t it nice how Hillary? and her “exploratory committee” and Obama and his “exploratory committee” were able to set the scope of this race. And isn’t it ironic that they did so not only with liberal and conservative candidates but with voters too.
Bashing Fred! for not following the lead of Obama and Hillary is self-destructive. You people want to talk about “seeing him in action”. We already have. He waited like he knew he should. The rest of them ran right off the cliff after Her Thighness while Fred! stood there and shook his head.
FRED!
unamused on June 15, 2007 at 1:35 AM
Perfect. Every word.
Like many of you, I’m not particularly pleased with the national Republican party at the moment.
But I am not a partisan and never have been. It’s all right that the Republicans aren’t making me happy - if I want to change things, I’ll work within the party, in the primaries. Or I’ll advocate for a new party. Or the abolition of parties altogether.
But the modern Democrat Party, thoroughly high-jacked by the anti-American left, is an abomination. I may not be a Republican partisan, but I am a vocal anti-Democrat - and I don’t see how any conservative (or independent, or moderate, or just clear thinking person) could have any other view.
The worst Republican alive is better than Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.
I will vote for any candidate that can defeat the Democrat in the race. In most cases, for now, that will be a Republican.
Anyone who does differently - at this point in our history - is a fool, and is operating based on emotion rather than concern for his country.
Fight in the primaries. Fix the party, or forge a new one.
But CDSeven is right - permitting the Democrats to win because you have your panties in a bunch is partly stupid, partly suicidal, and all counter-productive.
Professor Blather on June 15, 2007 at 1:36 AM
Thompson/Guliani
Topsecretk9 on June 15, 2007 at 1:40 AM
You argue like a child. It keeps coming back to this. I won’t address you again. Feel free to hate Fred> all you want.
thebriand on June 15, 2007 at 1:41 AM
I agree. 100%. Where I differ with cs is in who I think can win the whole thing. I don’t believe that Romney or Rudy or anyone but Fred! will cut it. They just don’t have that intangible that Fred! has, that charisma, that clarity of thought and purpose. There’s no duality in that man. He’s real and he’s right. Sorry if you disagree, but I think Fred! will do it.
unamused on June 15, 2007 at 1:41 AM
I think I may have come up with something. Something HUGE. Well, something like 3″x6″, anyway.
Fred>
thebriand on June 15, 2007 at 1:44 AM
Professor Blather on June 15, 2007 at 1:36 AM
Its a case of cutting ones own nose off to spite their face and should never be considered a viable option.
doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 1:49 AM
That isn’t the only reason. It was other behavior that taught me to start paying veeeery close attention to him. So far, I’ve been dead on.
That’s a valid position. Do you know that the republicans were full of anxiety? Do you have some quotes or something that the group can look at?
If they were announced candidates, I might agree with you. But they are not.
Meaning what? I know why this has started so early, but I would like to hear your explanation.
fred? could have said in December that he would be announcing in August. He didn’t. Newt has said that if he announces, he will do so the third week of September. That is respect for your supporters and freddie boy could have done the same thing.
Self-destructive? Not to me it isn’t.
Seeing fred? in action means seeing him in a hostile environment answering tough questions. So far we have seen him in several interviews where he was led by the nose by the host. Many scripted speeches and podcasts. And two softball interviews. Leno and Hoover. He failed miserably in both of them. Now we have this scripted video of his attempt to distance himself from his pro-choice position in 1994. Again, from my view, this is another transparent attempt to fake out his supporters.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:51 AM
All right, you got me laughing. The world must now come to an end. :)
Back on topic, Unamused, I agree with your assessment. There are few times in political life that I’ve seen someone with the solid charisma that I see in Fred Thompson. I think that will bridge the gap with Republicans and Democrats and Independents. Maybe we’ll have our own version of perestroika (Not pereshilton).
Tennman on June 15, 2007 at 1:52 AM
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:51 AM
yup, pretty much sums it up…….
doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 1:53 AM
Fair enough and I appreciate that.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 1:53 AM
I have seen both Rudy and Mitt! in executive positions where they have worked across the aisle. I have not seen that from fred?. So, I cannot give him any credibility on rhetoric alone.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 2:04 AM
Professor Blather on June 15, 2007 at 1:36 AM
Spoken like a clear-thinking professor! The Truman/J. Kennedy democrats are gone. Today’s aren’t worth consideration. Despicable bunch of spineless worms. The snooty conservatives are about to get theirs. The timing is perfect.
Entelechy on June 15, 2007 at 2:04 AM
crazies to the left, wimps to the right. I want to read that book, but I’m afraid I would just be so pissed off that I wouldn’t get through it.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 2:05 AM
I thought that was pretty outrageous too. :-)
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 2:07 AM
What’s the story behind Fred’s children? They’re pretty young and he’s no spring chicken. Did he and his wife seek medical help to start their family?
CliffHanger on June 15, 2007 at 2:18 AM
I know I’m angry, upset, depressed and more than a little afraid by what I’ve been seeing in Washington lately. Probably like a lot of you, I’ve been throwing around a lot of “cut my nose off to spite my face” comments just because I feel betrayed by a President that I had “gone to the mat” for many times in both my personal and professional life so you all will have to excuse me when I go off.
As for the Thompson video, I liked it. I don’t care what a candidate wears or if his hair is perfect (or even if he has hair). I want the candidates to nail themselves down hard on the issues and I think Thompson did just that on the subject of abortion. I want more of this, a candidate putting himself down on vid clearly and simply defining where they stand on an issue. I want it from Fred, from Mitt, from Rudy, from all of them.
Buzzy on June 15, 2007 at 2:59 AM
Please tell me that wasn’t a serious question.
Connie on June 15, 2007 at 3:25 AM
Fred Thompson/John Bolton 08
mike46nzl on June 15, 2007 at 4:06 AM
csdeven,
Sorry I’m late to this party . . .
The problem with your assertion that Fred! is flip-flopping, or lying is that he has a voting record rated 100% by the National Right To Life Committee. In this video he’s simply reiterating the position he has already taken - without exception - when it came time to say ‘yea’ or ‘nay’.
You may not like his style or trust his intentions but you can’t disregard a voting record that supports what he said in this video 100%. So don’t just accuse him of lying or flip-flopping cite specific facts.
Give us substantive reasons for your passionate dislike of Fred! Your list of reasons in another thread was mostly about your distaste for his persona. His abortion stance, and his “lack of executive experience” were the two items on your list that concerned me most. The fact that NRTLC has rated him 100% eases my worry about one of those issues.
At this point I really don’t understand what your quarrel with him is about other than the fact that you prefer Mitt.
The Ritz on June 15, 2007 at 7:15 AM
Jeri Thompson = Hottest Potential First Lady EVER.
fusionaddict on June 15, 2007 at 7:40 AM
Mike, I would SOOOO support that ticket!
dominigan on June 15, 2007 at 8:26 AM
In 1994, for some reason, he had a pro-choice stance. Then, he voted a pro-life stance. Why? He wont answer it. I want him, just like Rudy, Mitt! or whoever to answer that. But since fred? isn’t a candidate, he doesn’t need to address it. But he will sit outside the ring and send silly videos like this one as if he were a real candidate. That is insulting behavior. Typical politician behavior. The same behavior we are talking about in the immigration threads. Our elected officials are showing zero respect.
fred? has a longer career as a lobbyist than he does as a public servant and considering the mentality involved in lobbying, those are the majority skills fred? brings to the party. At best that is disturbing. This is another issue I want him to address.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 8:27 AM
He’s concerned, I’m concerned, we’re all concerned about everything he mentioned in this video and his other interviews.
So when is he gonna stand up with the other candidates and tell us what he’s gonna DO about it?
Fred, pull those pistols or just keep whistling Dixie.
Brat on June 15, 2007 at 8:39 AM
Did anyone else notice something profound in this video, something I haven’t seen yet from any of the other candidates…?
Fred demonstrated the core of being a Conservative. We don’t discuss a bunch of disconnected issues… they are all tied together for a reason. This is why I don’t buy Guiliani and a bunch of the others… they are trying to win by individual issues, and don’t understand Conservativism.
A Conservative cares about the state of the country because they understand that their children will inherit this country. He mentioned pro-life, stem cell research, Social Security and the War on Terror and demonstrated the deep understanding that I’m looking for in a candidate.
I worry about pro-life and embryonic stem cell because they concern whether we keep killing humans in the name of ourselves or science.
I worry about Social Security because I don’t want to see my kids saddled with debt, supporting me, because I was too lazy to provide for my own retirement.
I worry about radical Islam because they seek to kill and destroy until they’ve taken over our country, changed our way of life and subverted our laws to Sharia.
I want my kids to know the country that I knew growing up. I want them to tear up when they hear the Star Spangled Banner. I want a candidate who understands this, and seeks to return our nation to the glory that we used to be, instead of seeking polical power for themselves.
dominigan on June 15, 2007 at 8:41 AM
…but for right now, I’d be happy if CS is just stop spewing his hatred over any honest discussion of Fred as a candidate!
dominigan on June 15, 2007 at 8:42 AM
Let Fred be Fred and we’ll all be ahead!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on June 15, 2007 at 8:48 AM
I just know that electing one of the Democrat Flaming Stalinists would be absolutely detrimental to this country.
No matter who ends up running with the (R) after his name, they will most certainly get my vote and I will not be so apathetic to sit out any election knowing what the alternative would bring. Sitting out an election because you’re angry (as I am..believe me) at the Republicans right now is not an option.
lynnv on June 15, 2007 at 8:49 AM
Be honest with yourself first. fred? IS NOT a candidate.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 8:59 AM
CS, I should have expected you to twist the context of my words…
I am interested in discussing Fred in the context of being a candidate so that I can compare him against the others to pre-evaluate his stance on issues.
I know that he is not currently a candidate, but I also know that he quit his job on Law and Order, has formed an exploratory committee, has announced on air that he is interested in the job, has many supporters, and has expressed a pure conservative viewpoint on every issue that’s important to me.
I also know that you…
1) claim to be objectively sitting on the sidelines, even though you try to trash the man any chance you get,
2) SPEW LIES ON THIS BOARD, by calling him a flip-flopper on being pro-life, even though his pro-life rating is 100%,
…and…
3) can’t restrain yourself from calling him names even though the rest of us are trying to evaluate him based upon the topic of the thread.
I notice you didn’t address your spewing of hatred…
dominigan on June 15, 2007 at 9:17 AM
He reminds me of an aged Max Headroom in this video. Maybe it’s just the quality, but the head tick kills me.
Other than that, I don’t see any difference, really, between Thompson and Romney, as far as what they say. The exception being Romney is actually a candidate.
SouthernDem on June 15, 2007 at 9:18 AM
You fredheads can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim fred? will be a uniting force and then get all giddy over his strict adherence to divisive conservative values. Any reasonable examination of his record reveals that he has no experiences in uniting people. As a matter of fact, his record is the exact opposite of that. He was a lobbyist for more time that he has been a public servant and lobbyists don’t work towards uniting all people. Lobbyists work toward goals that benefit certain groups to the exclusion of others. This is why he is desperately trying to create an image that obfuscates his history by dragging out his red pickup truck and why he drags his kids out in front of the cameras.
Once you strip away the facade, all that’s left is his rhetoric. He doesn’t have the experience to be the CinC and he refuses to get in the race so that we can grill him over his positions.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 9:23 AM
I think it was clipped too close. Having parts of his head moving out of the edges of the image just made the motion look odd.
Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 9:24 AM
You cannot claim objectivity by claiming all that matters is his voting record. I don’t accept a voting record over contradictory rhetoric from anyone. But I’ve noticed how the freddies have nuanced their opinion on freds? pro-choice stance in 1994, after ragging on Rudy and Mitt! for their pro-choice stances.
Sorry, people like that just removed themselves from the field of objective discussion.
And it’s real easy for you guys to throw around the word hate. I don’t hate anyone. fred? behavior disgusts me.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 9:30 AM
freds? head tics are techniques he has learned from being an actor. Each head bob is in sync with a point he is trying to make. When a person is completely engrossed in what a speaker is saying, they don’t notice this body language so much. It’s when you are seriously studying his words that you start to realize he is using this technique to put a subliminal emphasis on his words.
fred? counts on the people gloming on to the rhetoric and ignoring his record.
Sorry, I am not fooled or amused by it.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 9:43 AM
Newt/Fred! …..
4shoes on June 15, 2007 at 9:47 AM
For the record, I believe Mitt when he says he changed his opinion. I too was once confused on the issue. I knew too many good people that disagreed over Roe and wanted to take a centrist view. The more I studied it, the more convinced I became that I needed to get off the fence.
So I have no problem with anyone who says 1) They are pro life. 2) Have said things that were not the party-line pro-life stance in the past. 3) Respect their actions more than their words.
Tennman on June 15, 2007 at 9:48 AM
We all know this - you told us around 1000 times. Consider taking a cooking class until July 4th. This day is very significant to him, for more than the main reason. Then, come back and spar some more. We got your message a long time ago. The rest is ranting. Lighten up, buddy or make more coherent remarks like the perfect one about the ‘92 election. You’ve got it in you, for sure. Get off that old and tired horse and give it a rest for now. You can ride it later, again.
p.s. did any of you notice the ‘F’ being striken from ‘Fred’, up front? It’s hard to notice, but very clever.
Entelechy on June 15, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Thompson/LIEBERMAN
Cover a LOT of bases with that ticket, my friends.
tree hugging sister on June 15, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Thompson/Bolton ‘08? = Gives me chills. Sign ‘em up!
As to csdeven blaming 9/11 on Republicans not voting for Bush 1 in ‘92, I have only to say this:
That is the singluarly most stupid and insulting comment you’ve posted yet. STFD and STFU.
wccawa on June 15, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Bad Candy on June 15, 2007 at 10:27 AM
Dammit, forgot to close my tag *groan*
Bad Candy on June 15, 2007 at 10:27 AM
*replies to actual topic instead of strife-inducing troll*
Fred! Fred! Fred!
emmaline1138 on June 15, 2007 at 10:29 AM
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 8:59 AM
Fix’t that for you…..
doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Honestly, the fredheads get to voice their opinions a thousand times, but I cannot?
Since I am not personally insulting people and only attack fred? why can’t those who disagree with me just stop reading what I write instead of attacking me? Beating up csdeven is the tired old horse that needs to be retired.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Finally, a mature response. Thanks for doing your part.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Like Reagan, say?
Farmer_Joe on June 15, 2007 at 10:55 AM
fred? is no Reagan. I know he likes to take credit for a speech Reagan gave once, but no fredheads have given any supporting evidence of that. fred? is a fake until he can prove that. Just like the pickup truck and now this shameless video. The pattern is there if you chose to see it.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 10:59 AM
It’s a vast conservative conspiracy by real conservatives to expose freddie boy for the fake he is! :-)
Wait a minute, is AP the conspiracy type?
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM
I agree with Fred/Leiberman AND Fred/Bolton.
The former would give the blue dogs all the reason in the world to vote Republican….
unamused on June 15, 2007 at 11:04 AM
I didn’t say he was. I was taking issue with your characterization of conservative values as necessarily “divisive”.
Farmer_Joe on June 15, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Listen, genius, first learn proper capitalization, then attack the intelligence of others…mmmkay?
unamused on June 15, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Stick to the issue. If conservatives would have stopped or broken the chain of a dem presidency, 9/11 would not have happened. PERIOD. If you can’t handle the truth, I suggest you find a different person to respond to, because I don’t respond to PC’ness. Especially from so called conservatives.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 11:09 AM
So, do you agree that freddie boy is a fake?
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Good to hear his comestraight out and state his stance on thematter and try try to be both.
Yakko77 on June 15, 2007 at 11:15 AM
“red” meat, csdeven - it’s a clue.
Math:
- Fredheads 1-5 comments each, on whatever topic
- csdeven 1000 comments on pickup truck and fakery
Done - you will be ignored until it gets really funny against you. Be proud.
Entelechy on June 15, 2007 at 11:16 AM
csdeven,
You contend that Fred is a fake. And you have probably addressed my questions in other threads, but there has been a lot of background noise, so if you don’t mind, please tell me: Who is the real Fred, what is his agenda, and what you think he is covering up?
RushBaby on June 15, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Can we PLEASE! have an ignore button?!
You erroneously claim you’re just bashing FRED!, but you never miss an opportunity to trash anyone even thinking about supporting FRED! as a ‘groupie’. You are the one doing the attacking, you duplicitous idiot.
The troll nails himself to a cross everytime someone doesn’t agree with him. He thinks, for some unfathomable reason, that he’s ‘elite’ here on HA and all must bow before his unquestionable intellectual might. Feh.
CS, you argue like a preschooler, and wear imagined victimhood like a seasoned moonbat.
Now please, go outside and play.
techno_barbarian on June 15, 2007 at 11:32 AM
You implied that it was possible, and it is, but not by fred?. freds? appeal is to conservatives. Conservative causes are shunned by the left. This country is completely divided and until someone can come up with a 21st century approach to uniting the left and the right, conservative ideals and liberal ideals will never connect. There is nothing in freds? history that shows he knows how to bridge that gap. His experiences as a lobbyist are 180 degrees out of phase with unity. Couple that with his complete lack of executive experience and this facade he is using, I cannot consider him remotely qualified. His rhetoric does nothing for me but I do understand that it is enough for others.
Lets take a look at freds? response to Robinson on the Iraq war. After skirting the question with talking points, Robinson gave fred? a specific scenario to respond to. fred? tried to be on both sides of the fence. fred? said we should stay in Iraq while we had all reasonable hope. This suggests that there are unreasonable hope that he will not entertain. The conservative position is that a loss in Iraq is completely unacceptable. He is not taking a conservative stance. He isn’t leading on it. Rudy and Mitt say that a loss is not an option. PERIOD. In Rudy and Mitts! mind there are no unreasonable options compared to losing the war in Iraq. Period.
Also, in referring to his friends children that are in Iraq….he said as long as they have hope, he has hope. I don’t know if he means those two soldiers specifically or the troops as a whole, but pardon me, deferring your optimism and hope to soldiers is not leading by any stretch of the imagination.
So, as you can see, I am not swayed by his folksy yammerings, pickup trucks, bluejeans and flannel shirts, dragging out his wife and kids, or vacuous rhetoric.
And every time he has to answer less than softball questions, I am seeing the same attempts at talking issues to death with rhetoric instead of getting to the meat and potatoes of the issue. He is acting like a guy trying to sell a role. He’s acting like an actor playing a politician.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 10:50 AM
So true, so true…..
doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 11:42 AM
csdeven….
First…I hope your boy is doing ok.
Second…..I believe that what commenters here are trying to say is that you sound like Eleanor Clift on the McLaugh-in Group. Yak Yak Yak……we don’t mind the comment as much as we mind the tone. Save it for the enemy. While you might be trying to ‘open our eyes’ all you are accomplishing is deafing our ears.
Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Well, no one REALLY knows, and that is what I am trying to find out, but there are tons of clues as to his character.
He feels the need to fake his supporters. This is a fact supported by eyewitnesses and his former manager.
I know he doesn’t have the qualifications to be the most powerful exectuive on the face of the earth. This is a fact supported by his history.
He has spent most of his time lobbying for special interest groups. This is also a fact supported by his record. I want to find out who he lobbied for. It is glaringly obvious that his supporters haven’t enlightened me with who those clients are. I’d imagine if those clients were known, we would have heard about them. So, why are those clients being hidden?
He refuses to announce a date. This is insulting to my conservative values.
He brags about his poll numbers as if he has been challenged like actual candidates. He is like a AA ballplayer bragging that he has more homers than a major leaguer. This is insulting to my conservative values.
There are others and I’m probably missing some big ones, (like his inability, according to his staff, to speak extemporaneously), but I think that represents the gist of my opposition to him.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 11:53 AM
You brought it up, you pompous ass, not me. YOU BROUGHT IT UP. YOU accused GOP voters who were pissed off at Bush 1 for being responsible for 9/11. YOU smugly and callously use the deaths of 3,000 people to try and prove a point that, at best, smells like it came from a Truther. Have you no decency left at all?
Fascinating. What particular fortune cookie did you crack open to get that insight?
Nice redirection there. Which one of your personalities am I dealing with at the moment?
Honestly, you are the most insulting, full-of-crap poster I think I’ve ever encountered. You throw out accusations then retreat. When someone calls you on it, you throw out any and all crap you can to try and cover yourself. You hurl insults, you mangle people’s words to suit your own purposes, and in general, you’re just an asshole.
As to me being “PC,” I’ll show you a bit of PC if you ever talk to me like that in person. We get it. You’re a big man behind a monitor. A hero with a keyboard. Now STFU and go away, prick.
wccawa on June 15, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Yeah, he’s doing fine. Thanks for asking. He’s coming home for a month before he deploys in Aug/sept. How is yours doing? I pray he’s doing great and stays safe.
I know what their problems are, but frankly, I don’t care what a bunch of people who would rather engage in ad hominem attacks than debate really think. My tone is that of disgust with fred?. They think that is an attack on them. Too bad. Their problem.
Notice how the more they demand I explain my reasons, the more they attack me. That is because it makes them uncomfortable that I feel that I hold a higher standard, even though I never said I did. Well, sorry, don’t ask if you don’t want to know. And even if someone does illustrate they are more principled, that is no reason to think it is a personal attack.
They have the problem. They should have left well enough alone and just responded to the fred? issues and left personalities out of it. I am not going to sacrifice my standards because they can’t handle it. This is about fred?, not me, and it’s about time they grow up and discuss fred? as an entity outside of themselves. Unless of course, all these complainers are fred? or his immediate family, because those are the only people who have a right to take personally my vehement criticisms of fred?.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 12:09 PM
csdeven…
he is at NTC as we speak…..delayed to Turkey day for what reason I don’t want to know.
Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 12:11 PM
The issue is not me. Stick to the issue.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 12:12 PM
As a parent, I take the delay as a good sign, but our warriors want to get over there and help out their buddies. And the more training he gets, the better. Yours is at NTC Ft Irwin? Mine is at JRTC at Ft Polk, LA.
Isn’t yours an officer? Mine called me the other day with a new view of his officers. He was surprised to find out that while the troops sleep, their officers are up planning missions etc. At 19, I am so glad he has learned that lesson. He’s a better man and a soldier for it. So, if yours is an officer, tell him theres one more Screaming Eagle that gets it.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 12:26 PM
It is a serious question, Connie. You got a problem with it? You think I just want to pile on with the anti-Fred folks, don’t you?
Will someone who knows, other than Connie, please tell me whether their two kids were concieved naturally or through fertility treatments? If it’s not public knowledge then that’s fine. I’ll drop my line of inquiry.
How we deal with personal hardships influences our views and behaviors on certain issues and helps to define the person we become later in life. I see Fred’s dealt with his share of personal challenges and how he’s dealt with them is somewhat important to me.
So far, he’s looking pretty resilient…
CliffHanger on June 15, 2007 at 12:30 PM
csdeven,
Thank you for your reply. Some more questions, please?
I would like to hear from these folks. Presumably, after he announces his candidacy (and I’m pretty sure that will be 4th of July weekend), opponents and disgruntled former associates will gleefully pile on.
The early onset of the primary races are probably beneficial in the sense that all the candidate’s qualifications have ample time under the microscope. Heaven knows HRC(D) and BHO(D) don’t have any qualifications.
Being a lobbyist has a bad reputation these days – kind of like being a lawyer! But are there not honorable individuals in the lobbying profession just as there are honorable lawyers? As to his client list, THAT is a good point. Hard to imagine that the client list will remain secret for long. And who knows? If there are some truly gruesome causes in there, maybe you will be vindicated.
I think he has his reasons, and among them, labyrinthine campaign laws.
Can you show where he personally has bragged about his poll numbers, as opposed to his supporters trumpeting his poll numbers? And presuming there is ample evidence that he has personally bragged about his poll numbers, would you agree that folks with the ambition to run for (any) office will, by definition, have to indulge in some degree of self-aggrandizement?
Are there some links where we can check out the remarks by his staff?
pimf in advance (hope I didn’t mess up my quote tags)
RushBaby on June 15, 2007 at 12:31 PM
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 12:09 PM
So you don’t care about what YOU think…
doriangrey on June 15, 2007 at 12:32 PM
cs…..no…no bars for the boy, he is a NCO. Cheers.
Limerick on June 15, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Yikes.
This thread isn’t exactly filling me with hope for 2008. What the hell?
How about we focus on the target here, people. Maybe we could talk issues instead of personalities, discuss candidates without smearing supporters, etc?
This is how Democrats lose elections. What say we don’t make their mistake?
I’d hope we can all agree that whether you like Fred - or Rudy, Mitt, or whoever - or not, they are still light years superior to President Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Can’t we?
And one suggestion for all of you: the election is almost a full year and a half away. Perhaps we’d all be wiser to KEEP OPEN MINDS, remain objective, and listen to what the candidates actually say - all of them - before we view them through preconceived prejudices.
Just a thought.
I’ve personally got a long ways to go before I choose a conservative to support, and I’m open to hearing - honestly hearing - from ALL of them.
I hope you all feel the same. (Well … ‘cept maybe Ron Paul …)
Professor Blather on June 15, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Fred / (Hunter or whomever)
Image is going to play a BIG role in this election, and the VP will have minimal if any impact.
Bottom line:
Fred looks and sounds presidential. The others (GOP or Dems) just look and sound like politicians.
Lawrence on June 15, 2007 at 2:27 PM
Ahhhh. NCO’s the backbone of the Army.
Peace and cheers to you too.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 2:28 PM
The kids are adorable, but lordy, that video truly sucks!
Yeah, yeah, I know it authentically sucks in the way that everybody’s home videos suck. Stick to the leather chair and the cigar Fred! The head bobbing and That Thing He Does with his mouth are just incredibly distracting. If you want to know what Fred! is going to look in the MSM, think Red.
Then there’s trotting-out-the-little-wife. All American Mom is all flowers today, awkwardly holding somebody’s baby in front of her cleavage. Do you s’pose the nanny quit right before filming? Maybe she just looks Latino which would be soooo not in keeping with the 1950’s feel we’ve got going here — as perfectly encapsulated in a run-along-now-so-Daddy-can-work moment.
JM Hanes on June 15, 2007 at 2:33 PM
Jeez, how did I hit the submit button just when I was getting to the content of the video — although I must admit, it occurred to me that maybe Fred was hoping it was banal enough style-wise that only the pro-life crowd would bother sending it around. In any case, I hope they’re satisfied with Fred’s voting record and with a stand on partial birth abortion that even a pro-choice soul like me supports. As far as I’m concerned, the folks who demand more, and whose litmus test is a commitment to outright reversal of Roe v Wade, aren’t Conservatives or Republicans. They are Pro-Lifers, period, and the RINO shoe really fits them a whole lot better than it does the rest of us.
JM Hanes on June 15, 2007 at 2:59 PM
Thanks for your maturity.
Yes, the Abramoff scandal puts lobbying in a bad light. There are honorable lobbyists and by definition, they work for special interest groups and that rarely includes a majority of the public. Yes, I would like to see the list.
I’ve heard that, but fred? could have announced weeks ago that he would announce on July 4th. That I know of, there are no violations of campaign laws to do that. Newt is doing that. Many of the current candidates have done it too.
Watch the entire Leno interview.
Sure, but he isn’t on the same playing field. The other candidates have exposed themselves to harsh questions, where fred? has not. Therefore his poll numbers are based on people knowing less about him rather than more.
“gimmicky and hokey”
Plus there is an eye witness account of him driving the truck a block away from his rallys and having a staffer drive it away while he gets into his limo. I’ve had posted that several times, but can’t find it right now. I’ll look and get back to you.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 3:14 PM
Same goes for me. It’s early and we need to fully vet our candidates.
And to those who say they’ll stay home in ‘08 because you believe all of the candidates are “RINOs” and Liberals, let me just say with no due respect… you are immature crybabies of the highest order and you have absolutely NO business posting your comments on a political blog as your views hold no merit whatsoever. You are a non-voting, non-entity and I actually have more respect for Liberals who vote (though I do wish they’d stay home), than so-called Conservatives who don’t.
So, bug off!
CliffHanger on June 15, 2007 at 3:15 PM
Dan Quale proved that VP nominee’s have little/nothing to do with winning. It’s the presidential nominee who carries the ticket.
We need to think 2016 for the VP to run as president. Like President Bush 41 did and
PresidentWannabee Gore (thanks to stupid Floridians) did.I think a Thompson/Huckabee ticket would set up 2016 nicely. The Republicans simply need to give us something to believe in. The issue for conservatives is border security and winning the battle for Iraq. The next CINC is going to go to war against Iran. So who do you want? General Hitlery Clinton and her pimp OR General Thompson? I know that we’re way out from ‘08 but this is grass roots in action people.
Mojave Mark on June 15, 2007 at 3:39 PM
Here’s one story about freds? pickup truck fakery. It isn’t the one I had, but it’s basically the same.
Good ol boy?
I have no clue which way this mag leans, but the sources are named and can be vetted for accuracy.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 4:07 PM
CLINTON’S FAULT!
Nonfactor on June 15, 2007 at 4:15 PM
I will take your word for it, csdeven.
I personally find the mystery and anticipation to be exciting.
Fair enough. There will be plenty of time to subject him to the inquisition before the nomination. I think the campaign is watching the debates and studying the reaction on the right and left. Fred has the potential to be a uniter, not a divider, and getting an accurate picture of the country will serve to his advantage.
Your “gimmicky and hokey” link was broken but there was enough there to get me to The New Republic website. A search of with your clue turned up two articles mentioning “gimmicky and hokey” by an author named Noam Scheiber. Reading the articles requires a subscription, *not :)*. I don’t know anything about Noam Scheiber, but I take his writing with a grain of salt. He is clearly a democrat writing for a leftist publication, and as such, his accusations and insinuations are practically an endorsement of Fred.
Now I will go check out your good ol’ boy link.
RushBaby on June 15, 2007 at 4:17 PM
Ha, ha, ha, just read your good ol’ boy link. Who’s quoted there but good ol’ Noam Scheiber!
The comments following the blog post were informative, too, ha ha ha!
I don’t know who is the biggest fool.
RushBaby on June 15, 2007 at 4:23 PM
If you follow the link about the frind who saw fred? driving away in the fancy car, there is an article written about fred? from 1998. The freddies will probably like it.
csdeven on June 15, 2007 at 5:52 PM
This link?
As you said, the pickup truck/sedan switch incident is reported secondhand by the author’s “friend”, and is NOT an eyewitness account.
Oh – and this article includes some information about his lobbying clients as well.
Michelle Cottle c/v:
Editor of The Washington Monthly for two years. She also worked for the Tom Peters Group, editing its monthly newsletter; served as an editorial fellow at Mother Jones magazine, and has done freelance writing, editing, and commentary for CNN, The New York Times, Time, Slate, The Atlantic and George magazine, among others. Cottle is a regular panelist for the PBS political affairs show, “Tucker Carlson Unfiltered.”
csdeven, you are letting lefties influence your thinking about our candidates. They’ve got to love it when you repeat their talking points on a conservative blog.
The New Republic…I used to subscribe when it was left-leaning but hawkish and pro-Israel under Martin Peretz. Then TNR was sold and the publication lurched to far left.
Trivia: Peretz is now an Advisory Committee Member in the Libby Legal Defense Trust.
RushBaby on June 15, 2007 at 6:47 PM
Fred/Huckabee or Fred/Hunter is what I would go for. I like Fred because he is the stronger more articulate, dare to take them on, person I wish Bush had been. I always supported Bush and though I’m angry about the immigration deal he’s pushing, I do agree with a lot that he did. But the guy got beat up and was totally ineffective in returning fire when necessary and so the right message never got out because of the leftist distractions. I don’t see that happening with Fred. We need strong leadeship we can trust. I hope he wins.
CCRWM on June 15, 2007 at 8:35 PM
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